good evening. there's been a very busy week ahead of politics. congress is facing increased pressure to reach a coronavirus stimulus deal before election day and we'll talk about the fight to keep the trump administration from shorten iin the census, but first, 51 days until election day. a new national poll out today from fox news chose joe biden five points ahead of president trump. 51-46%. and trump is trailing biden in a number of swing states including nevada where president trump is

campaigning for a second day. at his rally last night, the president in numerous attacks at his democratic rival. >> joe is shot. let's face it, okay? he's shot. so not that he has anything to do because you won't know what's happening. he'll just be locked up in a room some place and the radical left is going to be running our country. >> joe biden slugged off attacks this morning telling cnn the difference between he and trump is up to the american people to decide. >> come to donald trump versus me, just look at us, okay? just look at us. who seems to be in shape? who's able to move around? who's, i mean, this idea of you know, slow joe. donald trump, just look at us both. watch us and determine whether or not you think i'm misleading anyone. >> with me now is ian sams, a

democratic strategist and former spokesperson for the kamala harris and hillary clinton. lindsey johnson is a political strategist and aide to elizabeth warren's presidential campaign -- thank you all for joining me. ian, i'd like to start with you. how much does joe biden get under trump's skin? >> i think a lot. i think you can tell that by the way president trump has spent the nine months lobbying attack after attack at vice president biden. none of it is really sticking. i think he had a really hard time defining vice president biden on his own terms just like he has harris on his terms since vice president biden selected her to be on the ticket. i think that you know, donald tru trump's sort of exhibiting classic behavior of somebody who's drowning. flailing around a, waving his arm wildly and seeing if it sticks. it's not working. no surprise why.

our country is an historic movement of uphee value. these are the head winds he's facing every time he gets a chance to throw a pot shot at biden, you have to imagine that most voters who are personally impacted by these very serious issues sort of roll their eyes and say that's not what we need right now. this is not 2016. he's the incumbent president and he's not offering solutions. >> so, lindsey, i want to bring you in because i think that what ian is saying is right. we are face iing the most civil unrest in our nation's history, recent history, at the same time, apandemic and we're on a verge of democratic, of a recession. but when fox was polling, when fox polled their viewers, they found that they still believe that trump is better off for the economy than joe biden. is at the end of the day, will people come out for the economy versus the social unrest, the pandemic and health issues

related? >> i think it's a combination of both and one we have to look at what's happened in our history. it is hard to unseat an incumbent president, however, this is one of the most unpopular presidents we've seen in history. we've seen him fumble the football many times with the economic recovery in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic and he's also been benefitting his friends and his comrades, the top, top 1% as they would say, and so, i do think there are voters who are finally realizing that donald trump is not the president for them. on the flip side, you have the biden harris campaign not only make iing that argument, but building the strong coalition of young people, people of kocolor people who have been forgotten about in the midst of this pan as well as before. the vice president and kamala harris are addressing students who are concerned not only about the economy, but about their safety as young, black kids. you have them addressing the

poor people's campaigns, who are marginalized folks in rural areas, in southern areas, who in addition to the economy, they're just focused on their livelihood and being able to exercise their right to live with dignity each day, and so i do think the biden harris campaign is taking this into consideration, but they are having this more intersectional approach of it's the economy and all of these other issues to ensure that people of color, especially, are a abble to reac that economic opportunity people are talking about. >> when i suggested you as a guest, folks were scratching their head. you're a comedian, but you're also a texan and we have seen that the polls in texas specifically are polling towards biden unexpectedly for folks not in the know. can you tualk about the opportunity biden has in texas whthen i want to talk about you own personal eck appearance you're witnessing with the covid epidemic. >> first of all, thank you so

much for having me. i think this is something that i realize happens in most elections. which is we always talk about the at hand, but don't really take a moment to understand and appreciate what has happened in the past. so when we talk about the 2020 election, we always compare it to the 2016 election. granted, it is a presidential election, but we also had 2018 mid materiterms and that was sh shift in numbers. right now, we live in a time where i think more work needs to be done to actually contact the disinfranchised communities, the communities that feel negative legisla neglected. i am latina. we haven't had the chance to really feel heard. so i think that's one thing we need to do to get voters out. we need to acknowledge that they're there. and not only that, but going back to what you were saying about the economy, people forget that the economy is tied to

every issue. it's tied to racial issues. to social issues. so, when someone wants to brag about the economy, what does that really mean? what does that entail? so i think that right now, trump has successfully neglected the latino community and really trying to understand us as individual. you know, we're a very good, a lot of people, they don't, there aren't familiar with the community. they seem to generalize us as one. latinos do not come from the same country. we do not come from latino. we are puerto rican, mexican, cuban. there's a variety of us. i think the moment people start treating us as individuals, we can have change. it's right there. we just really need to want to have that effort made. to reach those people. >> i want to talk about what she just mentioned and something hillary clinton has done quite successfully in the latino community.

that was really speak to them. what are the opportunities now that biden has to close the gap, particularly in florida, to address the issues that she said, that we are not a monolith as a community, but that the issues out front and center very much disproportionately affect this community. >> absolutely. you see the biden campaign sort of beefing up their focus on this community and making sure they're doing everything they can in the next 51 days to engage the broad coalition that is latinos especially in a state like florida. they're a very diverse community across the state. and i think one thing that is just always so clear with president trump is he does, he likes to paint people with a broad brush. he likes to think that you know, you see him tweeting about suburban housewives as if that's a broad coalition that he needs to reach out to. he doesn't understand the nuances of different communities where as i think biden and harris do. i think right now, you see biden and harris speaking to the issue issues that are important to the broad coalition in the

communities. you see them coming out this past week with a new focus on the economy talking about the need to support small businesses. the need to support black and latino owned small businesses. senator harris was in miami last week talking about the little round table there. so i think as we get into this home stretch of the campaign, i think that everybody should understand this thing is not going to be a blowout. the country is polarized, we're very narrowly divided. sure vice president biden has a lead in these polls and heartening for those of what that want to see the next president, but this is really a toss up election in a lot of these key swing states. the more that we can do, if you're watching this now on a sunday ooempk watevening watchi msnbc, you need to engage in this election an make sure you're not taking anything for granted. just as easily as last time in hillary clinton where people thought hillary clinton had the lead and donald trump was a joke and wasn't going to get re-elected, we could be waking up in that situation in 52 days or maybe longer because it will take longer for the votes to get

counted this year, with the same reality. that's why i think when it comes to the latino community, african-american community, anybody who cares about what's at stake in this election, we need to be doubling down our efforts to reach everyone and talk to everyone, no matter where they live. >> one of the things that people ask me is what can campaigns do differently and i keep encouraging them to follow the doug jones strategy. he called all the voters. at the same time, we're hearing a lot f the fact that joe biden, folks don't really see him. should he be more on the campaign trial having these conversations, talking a about how he differ frs the economy? what happens on november 3rd when he's elected president of the united states? should he be on the ground talking more to these isssnissu? >> i think for all of us who have worked oncaps, this is a unique experience and senator harris and vice president biden are trying to talk to as many people as possible and the safest way possible. not having these big rallies,

which we've seen, our super spreader events, but they are talking to a as many voters as possible. bringing in about 2500 volunteers a day to phone banks to reach out to nonengaged voters. vice president biden as well as senator harris, are talking to a lot of coalition groups from your, you have the working families party who are has do s endorsed the campaign, which is super majority which has endorsed the campaign as well sochlt they continue to talk to a lot of these coalition voting groups in order to get their message out and you know, to expand upon ann's point, they are going to be doing a big event this week in honor of hispanic heritage point and for those who celebrate as well as continue to go to florida and michigan and wisconsin, pennsylvania, my state where i'm at right now, virginia, because

they're not taking this for granted and they're having those conversations to get those people who not only themselves can get out, but they know they need their surrogates and ambassadors and community leaders who can call their everybody that's at the hair salon or church with them, or your college alumni. you've got to get all these people excited, too, and they're doing those coalition calls. >> i want to leave you with the last word. i know oftentimes on twitter, you talk about your own mother and her preexisting conditions and the trials of being worn brown in america. what do you have to say to that audience, the folks in our community that we are most marginalized and sometimes feel like voting isn't for us. what do you tell them? >> you know, this is actually, this is a very simple thing and i think that simple lessons are the hardest to learn. is that a lot of times, in the community that i grew up with and the family that i grew up with, i realized that a lot of times, we don't tell each other that we're powerful. because we're so busy trying to

survive. so what happens is that in my family, we were living paycheck to paycheck. living well below the poverty line, so when we think about voting, we don't think that v voting is for us. see, that's actually an interesting way that i think campaigns and the parties can actually appeal to communities like latinos. we have to not only tell them we want your vote, we have to teach them how to vote. and we need the teach them how to vote o so they can teach future generations. this whole plan isn't just about 2020. it's about making sure the 18-year-old voters want to be voters for the rest of their lives. so how do we do that? i think a lot of times, civic duties, lessons to how we can do this. there's a will the lot of talk about planning your vote. what does that mean? to me and my family, we went everywhere together. every time we went out, we went as family. for me, i feel like we have to

remember a couple of things. first of all, if your vote didn't matter, they wouldn't make it so hard for you to vote. if you weren't powerful, they wouldn't try so hard to make people stop voting. and also understand there's some people that say, oh, but one vote is one voice. what can i do with that one voice? remember, one voice, one vote next to another one is two. that's how choirs are made. choirs are different voices coming together. trying to sing and that's exactly what this country is and that's exactly what democracy is. what is best for the majority of people. also, i'd like to shoutout that i am hosting the biden hispanic operation that is coming up. >> i want to thank my panel. i want to thank the viewers, too, because what oftentimes people don't know about the latino community, for the first time, our biggest challenge is that we have a voter

registration gap. half of eligible latino voters are unregistered and to her point, we're going to have 12 million more young voters for the very first time. two-thirds are young people of color. let's focus on closing that gap. thank you so much for joining me. we'll be right back. u so much f me we'll be right back. wildfires continue to devastate the west. oregon, california and washington are all battling places. 33 are dead and sadly, dozens are missing. thousands have had to evacuate their homes. now, state lawmakers dealing with the crisis say it's time for the federal government to take action against climate change. president trump suggesting to states on saturday they need to better force management. take a listen. >> floors you got to clean your forest. they have many, many years of leaves and broken trees and they're like, like so flammable. you touch them and it goes up.

>> los angeles mayor eric garcetti today pushing back saying this. >> well, i listen to fire professionals, not the president of the united states or a politician when it comes to actually what causes these fires. it's been very clear that years of drought as we're seeing, whether it's too much water or rain in parts of the country or too little, this is climate change and this is an administration that's put its head in the sand. >> climate change has been here for a while. but what can be done now? with me now is max, a climate economist at uc berkeley. thank you so much for joining me. >> thanks. >> how are you doing? you're in berkeley? is that correct? >> i am. it's been an interesting week. of course, communities all around us have been affected by these wildfires, both directly through the loss of homes and whole communities as well as smoke that basically covers the entire west coast.

so this really does resemble a little bit the scenes from the old testament with heat fire in the middle of an epidemic. it's been very, very scary especially for the directly affected communities. >> i think one of the biggest challenges is when i phone home back to sonoma county and i speak to my family and i have to tell you that the ptsd is very real. just being reminded of having to evacuate their home at 2:00 in the morning, not knowing whether it was going to survive. so i am with you, but i want to talk a little bit about what we're hearing from the president talking specifically saying that this is all about forest management. and not climate change. can you speak to this? >> well, if you actually speak to scientists who do this, we have many of them in the universities and outside of universities, climate change is clearly setting the stage here, so there are several studies pointing out that if you figure out what the world would have looked like in the absence of climate change, especially in

california, we would have had more e precipitation, meaning more soil moisture, and we also would have lowered temperatures. so when it's hot outside and the ground is dry, all you need is a match or you know, a spark somewhere and it will set things up. so the issue here is we focused a lot on focusing on that match. you know, the gender reveal party that set off one of those fires. but really, the much bigger issue is the fact that decades and decades of fossil fuel combustion led to already tangible climate change impacts and we're now seeing really direct effects of that in the form of these fires and the smoke. >> so, the science behind both the pandemic, the president initially denied and has a result created havoc in our economy. he is now, he continues to deny climate change and that and you theorize will impact our

economy. how so? >> so, there are literally thousands of papers out there showing that climate change has already had measurable effects on the economy, so, think of lower agricultural yields in the midwest. think of stress on the power grid which we saw last weekend, where we were asked to turn down air conditioners or not use appliances to make sure we didn't have rolling blackouts. there are credible studies showing their negative impact on productivity, especially on folks who work outside. so, climate change is here. the impacts are measurabable an this is only one degree of warming at this point, so we're anticipating at least two to three degrees of warming so these effects aren't going to get smaller. they're going to get bigger. >> i am aware, too, that if it starts increasing by 3%, we can have devastating loss of bio

diversity to the tune of almost a million species by 2030. but i want to ask you, can we afford another four years of someone who denies climate change in the white house? >> so, this is my personal opinion, but we've been watching the destruction of 30 years of environmental, federal legislation through you know, different efforts on behalf of the current administration that has you know, looked at weakening laws for protecting the water we drink, the air we breathe and you know, making it ease year for all kinds of emitters of pollution to add more pollution to the environment. so, can we afford it? it depends on who you ask, right? theish here is if we are worry about the health of our communities, the health of our children, the health of you know, sensitive members of our community or even healthy people like myself, a bad environment is not good for you.

we see er admission rates going up csignificantly during these episodes. and trying to solve the issue of climate change that is a global issue is clearly going to something that is going to require all hands on deck. not just leadership of california. which has done this for many, many years. but at the federal level and for the u.s. to take a leadership role globally. because let's all remember that it doesn't matter where the greenhouse gases come from. whether that gallon of gasoline is burned in california, in alabama, in germany or china, it doesn't matter. it's a global problem and we need to work on this together. >> max, thank you for the work you're doing. thanks for joining me. >> thank you so much. up next, playing politics with the department of justice. by latest moves at doj have trump critics sounding the alarm. doj he av trump critics sounding the alarm. >> tech: when you've got auto glass damage...

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the justice department is under fire for a number of recent moves leading to the hash tag impeach bar and disbar to trend online. it's been a long week from the doj's attempt to take over the defense of a trump defamation lawsuit to reports from the current that a key prosecutor has resigned over concerns about the actions from the attorney general. michael gordon who served as spokesperson for clinton justice department wrote today, it's time to get serious about impeaching attorney general bill barr.

adding quote, barr has made a new art form of politicizing the department of justice and imposing his will wil through interference, obstruction and subversion. he has made it clear he works for the president, not the american people. let's bring in joyce vance, msnbc contributor, former prosecutor and professor at the university of alabama school of law. and kitt wrynn licatherine lucy. thank you for joining me, ladies joyce, i wanted to talk to you first because one of things you have pinned to your twirt account is now president bill, president obama, when he, welcomed you in said that your duty was to serve the people not the president. how is this such large contrast to what we're seeing out of the trump administration? >> you know, i think that's the question everyone is looking for an answer to. it's absolutely the right question. because we went from an ethic and look, i'll be the first to

say, doj is not perfect but the important thing is the aspiration to do justice. always trying to get it right and do better and certainly to never be political and that was a key theme for eric holder and under president obama, but also for the other administrations that i served under. i was a republican hire as an assistant united states attorney during the first bush administration. that's not to say about a political hire. i just happened to be hired then. and the expectation across administrations and up until now was one of loyalty to the constitution, not the president. now that seems to have changed. >> catherine, is this having an impact on bill barr and the president? we know that the trump does not like to have other people front and center in news and the fact that bill barr is trending. will this have any impact? >> i think the president's focus at the moment really is on his re-election campaign. he's out this weekend campaigning in nevada.

he'll be in arizona tomorrow. heading out to look at the california, to look at the wildfires. so i think that is the focus but i think that also underscores a key point here as you look at the actions, the prosecutor leaving as well as the efforts to shift the, this case with eugene carol is there's a lot of questions being raised about how this impacts the president's re-election chances and democrats are certainly raising questions about any of these moves are being made to try and help or advantage the president at this moment. >> so, joyce, the fact that we actually had -- she resigned. what does that signal to you from the russian investigation that bill barr was trying to basically overturn? what does that csignal to you te fact that she resigned? >> it is unusual for a prosecutor who comes back to doj to work on a specific case to leave before that case terminates, so certainly, there are a lot of red flags with the

resignation. we won't know for sure until we hear from her. i suspect we will one way or the other, that she will testify either voluntarily or pursuant to a subpoena in the house and tell us what led her to leave. the problem is it tends to send yet another sigona that confirms we've been hearing that bill barr wants to take this enormously unusual step of issuing an interim report about the durham investigation. the veinvestigation into the origins of the vest dwags into the russia b efforts to influence our election in 2016. there is nothing there left to investigate. doj's inspector general has said nothing criminal occurred, but bill barr intended to continue forward and so the real concern here is that she would have resigned because she feared improper political influence, improper political pressure on the investigation with the intent of influencing the election in november. >> catherine, with this investigation we're seeing right

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coronavirus economic relief is top of mind as house members return to capitol hill this week. the pandemic has continued to ravage the country, however with many benefits of the previous cares act now expired, lawmakers remain divided over what should be included in another stimulus package. with the house and senate set to remain home in october and remain in recess until after the election. that just leave as few weeks to find a solution to a number of pressing issues. with me now is democratic representative, catherine clark. thank you for joining me. >> nice to be with you, maria. >> always lovely to see you. what should we expect when you go back to congress this week? will we get relief package? >> i certainly hope so. the american people are hurting and what i'm seeing in my constituents and across the country are people who are worried about jobs that have disappeared.

hours that have been cut. family businesses that were passed down through generations that have shuttered their doors. people are so concerned about school reopening. making sure that both teachers and kids can be safe. how are we going to continue our testing and make sure that we can keep everybody healthy so we can rebuild a healthy economy. and we have taken action in the house as democrats, we passed the heroes act back in may and we have been waiting for the senate to come to the negotiating table. we've already offered to meet them halfway and we still don't have a response. but now, it is long passed time that we get the senate to see the american people, see the pain that they're in and take some action. >> i think one of the biggest things we're seeing when we tell our viewers where the dif rentuation is, the democrats in congress want to make sure that the $600 relief check is

continued where as republicans want to cut that in half. what are other examples of where you are not meeting the public's demands right now? >> well, one of them is making sure that we are feeding hungry children in our communities. the republicans in their bill did not address that. we want to make sure that we continue to invest in expanding testing and tracing so that we can safely reopen our economy. i can tell you that here in the northeast, our restaurants have been so creative about trying to make ends meet and keep customers. but they know cold weather is coming and there aren't going to be many alternatives. we have to look at the airline industry. that is facing the potential of thousands upon thousands of layoffs at the end of this month. all of these issues, how we protect workers, how we make sure that people have child

care, that they can count on, just this week, i heard from a mom who's a single mom who was in tears telling me about how difficult it was with her lost income to find the child care she needed to get to work so she can put food on the table and pay the rent. all of these concerns are front and center for american families and yet, we have a senate that is just not caring. we don't expect them to cave in to all of our you know, demands. we do expect them to care. we do expect them to respond to the needs of the american families. >> so congresswoman, i know that the democrats in the house have worked really hard to ensure again that these $600 payments get addressed, that all of the stuff you're talking about, making sure we're addressing children that dgo hungry, the challenge though is through an

electoral lens, because the president added his signature to a lot of these relief checks, most of the american public don't realize there's an obstruction on the republican side. how do you speak to that? z >> well, we have to keep making our case to every single voter. what this election means to them. don't forget that while we are facing this pandemic, and people need health care more than ever, for the basic securities of their families and communities, we have a president who is in court trying to strip it away from millions of people. and people with preexisting conditions. to totally up end the aca. this president doesn't think about the american people. he thinks oobt about his own re-election and he is not commenting on the skyrocketing unemployment. he is not talking about the wildfires that are burning in the western part of our country.

he is not talking about how we come together as communities to keep everybody healthy so that we can reopen safely. he is just look iing at polls, looking at consolidating his own power and we're going to make the case to every single voter. every single voter in this country counts and we have to make sure that their votes are counted in november. and we're going to keep fighting not only for relief the american people need, but also to make sure that we are counting the se census, that we are protecting that vital right to vote. and so that we know that people will be able to come to the polls be able to use mail in ballots, we ask everyone to make a plan for how they're going to vote if november because everything is on the line. >> make a plan, indeed, make sure that you have a plan to

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michigan is a critical battleground state in the 2020 election and there are concerns about whether or not they'll be ready for a wave of mail in ballots. one fears it will never come. cynthia mcfadden with that story. >> charge of voting in the swing state of michigan says she is losing hope. that congress will help states prepare for what is shaping up to be the most complicated election in the nation's history. are you going to get more money from congress? >> with every day that's pass wd no action, my optimism decreases significant and now, we just

have to go. we just have to execute. >> that means election officials across the country are going to have to make do despite repeated expert warnings that states need three to four billion more federal dollars to pull off the november election safely and securely during covid-19. >> what is the level of concern about being able to pull this election off in a free and fair fashion? >> it is intense. the level of concern among my colleagues for ensuring our elections go well is intense. >> one reason, benson thinks 60 to 70% of michigan voters, nearly p 3-million people, will vote by mail. breaking all state r records. and that alone requires more resources. benson says she is grateful for the $11.2 million from congress already used for additional ppe and hiring poll workers, but she says it was just a down payment.

what else does she need money for? >> more people, more training, more technology, more infrastructure, more tabulators and the like which would mean more efficient results sooner. >> she says she's desperate not to repeat problems like in new york's primary, where it took six weeks for a winner to be declared in two congressional races with an ongoing legal battle over excluded mail in votes. and in michigan, more than 10,000 absentee ballots were invalidated, most for arriving too late. back in 2016, it was only 10,704 votes that put president trump over the top in michigan. should voting in america in 2020 be this hard? >> no, it shouldn't and i ask myself that a lot. >> there's forgeries. >> she's even been personally tarl targeted by president, who falsely claimed the democrats

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for smarter trading decisions. fidelity. you may not have heard about it but there was an important ruling on the u.s. census with trump on its heels a. temporary restraining order against the census bush row a census burro ordering not to down business. the order was requested by a collision of cities, counties and civil rights groups demanding the burro restore its previous plan for finishing the census at the end of october. the trump administration wants to revise the plan and shut down operations at the end of september. joining me to discuss is california secretary of state. secretary padia, thank you for joining me. why does the president want an inaccurate census count?

>> he's been trying to undermine the census since day one. the citizenship question to intimidate people from par participating and he's trying to shorten not just a response period but the field activity by the census burro by a month. i think ultimately, because the census represents both political power, right? it's through the population counts that would determine representation and congress for each state. but also, the level of federal funds that come to each and every community for health care, for education, for housing and more. >> so i want to -- the reason that the supreme court ended up throwing out that citizen ship question was because they actually found a gop operative where quote unquote he wanted to ensure that by including that citizenship question republicans would be able to create and i'm paraphrasing, republican non-hispanic white districts. what do you think of that as the country continues to change?

does it speak to the trump administration he's not even interested in any voter becoming a prepublican but specifically white voters? >> given the rhetoric from the president and administration for the last nearly four years. you know, again, census is about not just funding, it is about power and it's not just the representation in congress, it's census data used to draw the congressional and state of boundaries and local district boundaries so voting rights are at stake and this president just had it in for communities of color in every state especially california since before day one. >> so one of the things that most folks don't realize is that often times businesses use the census when it comes to figuring out where they put their manufacturing, where they create jobs and one of the things that has and was flagged by the editorial board today of the "new york times" says how now during the pandemic an inaccurate count of census will

impact our economy. can you speak a little bit to that and how? >> sure, the census information is hugely informative for people whether it's a large investment fund, looking at which companies to invest in for small business, you know, entrepreneurs looking at where to live their american dream. how many people live in a certain area, economic information, income information in different communities help guide those business decisions and so, faulty census data, inaccurate census data undermines our democracy. it undermines our economy as well. >> and one of the things that we often flag is we encourage people to ensure that they're counting their children under 5 and that's because i remind folks that if you're not counting that 3-year-old today when they go to kindergarten, they won't have a desk. can you speak about that under count and why it's important to have the children under 5 counted? >> i know it's true. i've seen the data and stats and

california ten years ago, the biggest under count was children under 5. find it hard to believe, my youngest is 5 and he's the loudest in the house. how you forget to add them is beside me. everybody counts in the census whether it's our children, extended family, any friends that may be living with you at this time due to wildfires and the co economy. that's how we get to the accurate information that we knead that informs policy, informs business investments and informs equatable funding and voting rights across the country. >> alex, do you believe they will actually extend the deadline for the census count based on the revelations? >> we hope for the best and prepare for the worst. we're hopeful. we hope there is a strong legal case to be made that is frankly led to the initial injunction as we await the court dates but we can't assume anything. i grew up playing baseball and

our coaches say don't leave it up to the umpires. we want to make sure we continue to get the word out. california is having a huge start with 10 million households have participated in the census but that means 1 in 3 have yet to do so. so we're risking leaving a lot of political power and federal funding on the table. we're going to use every innovative idea we can over the next two and a half weeks, text banking, phone banking, caravans, however we can continue to get the word out and remind people they can do it online. they can do it by phone. they can do the paper form in the language of their preference but they have to do it. >> secretary, always sneaking in a little baseball with me. have a good one. thank you for joining me. >> thank you. that's all i have tonight. up next, the final edition of "kasie d.c." al franken are on the show. don't miss "kasie d.c." and i

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welcome to "kasie d.c." tonight the great indoors with the pandemic going strong president trump is set to campaign tonight with a mayor crowd inside. with a wave of new polling showing the president struggling in the