doing together, but doing it as a married couple so we got married a couple mo h months ago, and we're excited to just continue this new chapter of life together >> amazing set of developments, and they say they'll continue their advocacy efforts with win with justice campaign. we wanted to give you that uplift at the end of the shower. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now i can't hear anything do you believe in magic? do you believe in magic? president trump apparently does, and he tried once again to advance his magical thinking about the coronavirus. and to defend his own response during a town hall anchored by abc's you have stephanopoulos. facing questions from undecided voters, president trump struggled to defend his response to the virus, denied the

allegations laid out in bob woodward's book that he lead about, captured in his open recorded words and advanced a theory how to address the pandemic >> why would you down play a pandemic that is known to disproportionately harm low-income families and minority communities. >> yeah. well, i didn't down play it. in many ways i up-played it in terms of action. >> it would go away without the vaccine, george. but it's going to go away a lot faster -- >> it would go away without the vaccine? >> sure, over a period of time >> and many deaths >> and you'll develop like a herd mentality it's going to be herd developed, and that's going to happen that will all happen

>> herd american tamentality. >> a lot of people that don't want to wear masks a lot of people that think masks respect good a lot of people -- waiters. >> why blame the waiters today, the rebukes were coming from inside his own government, specifically the head of the centers for disease control. >> this mask, these facemasks, are the most important powerful public health tool we have and i will continue to appeal for all americans, all individuals in our country, to embrace these face coverings we have clear scientific evidence they work, and they are our best defense i might even go so far as to say this facemask is more guaranteed to protect me against covid than when i take a covid vaccine. >> at the white house last hour, though, president trump disputed what dr. redfield said

>> number one, it's not more effective than a vaccine, and i called him about that. those were the two things i discussed with him and i believe that if you ask him, he would probably say that he didn't understand the question >> well, since president trump is such an expert, more so than the head of the nation's premiere health agency, he disputed the assertion that a vaccine would not be ready until 2021 of course, all of this follows president trump last night blaming joe biden for the lack of a nationwide mask mandate and biden slammed president trump's incoherence. >> all the president had to offer last night, president trump, was the same weak inaction, the same lies that we have seen from the very beginning. he still won't accept any responsibility folks, the president's first responsibility is to protect the american people.

and he won't that's utterly disqualifying joining me now is dr. roy, internal medicine sphysician. dr. roy, this isn't even a dispute, because there's only one side that's right here, masks. helpful, beneficial? vaccine, possible by the end of the year or not? >> so let's be really clear here, joy. the director for the centers for disease control and prevention is absolutely right. dr. redfield, like myself and every other person that i know, wears a mask because we have plenty of data to show that this covering your face and your nose -- your mouth and your nose decreases the transmission of this virus and he's right in saying that masks and physical distancing are the only two measures we have that work and very successfully reduce the transmission of the virus.

we have no vaccine it's like comparing apples to no apples we don't have a vaccine, so we can't compare it to that and earlier to your point of magical thinking, delusional thinking, it's this type of messaging, joy, that is just confusing the public unnecessarily. we know what works it's really simple just tell the public to wear a mask and please, by all means, wear a mask yourself in public. by the way, i'm referring to the president, not you >> well, i do. i think most people are thinking of others like invading targets and running around without them. this is president trump saying, let's forget him let's play dr. redfield today. this will about whether or not there will be a vaccine ready and available, let's say by election day take a listen. >> i think there will be a vaccine that initially will be

available sometime between november and december, but very limited supply and will have to be prioritized in you're asking me when is it going to be generally available to the american public so we can begin to take advantage of a vaccine to get back to our regular life, i think we're probably looking at third -- late second quarter, third quarter, 2021. >> second or third quarter of 2021 that should be the end of it but it's not here's president trump refuting that >> i think he made a mistake when he said that. it's just incorrect information. and i called him and he didn't tell me that, and i think he got the message maybe confused maybe it was stated incorrectly. we're ready to go immediately as the vaccine is announced and it could be announced in october, or a little bit after october. >> that is just not true but he doesn't have to be true

for it to work for him politically. do you worry, as i do, that the next step, part three of this nightmare, is that he goes back and bullies dr. redfield and makes him change the truth to a lie? >> so we've seen this pattern before i think it's most egregious and most noticeable when it happens to people in science because science is rooted in cold, rigid imperiacism. we've seen this with the various investigations that have taken place since he's been in office. there's always a shading of truth to fit his purposes. so it becomes much more distinct, however, when we're talking about scientific fact. so if you can call him and then he changes his mind and we get a different kind of report, well, we just kind of stepped into

what the soviet union was doing with its scientists where, if you had findings that didn't jibe with comrade stalin's understanding of the world, you were sent out to revise those findings until you had something that he could agree with >> yeah. there is that sort of soviet quality to it, dr. royp tried te joe biden for there not being a national mask mandate, when he opposed the mask mandate, and joe biden is just a civilian, he has no power to the point where joe biden had to tweet he's not president. do you worry that even if one of these drug companies comes out with a vaccine, that they're confident in, that president trump has so muddied the waters and so made people distrust science and distrust whether science can be bullied, that they won't want it and people will refuse to take it and that no vaccine will be able to be

administered because of president trump? >> you know, this is not the first time the scientific and medical community has questioned the mental state of the president. i mean, he's seeing things that just make no sense, they're delusional, not only are they just incorrect, but to the point about his reference to the scientific community that's a phrase we use often, which is the beauty of science is that it's true, whether you believe in it or not and we, in the medical public health scientific community, have to stand strong and united, because the reason why joy, you've been speaking to so many people like me on your show is that it's life and death here, right? and we know that people of color are vulnerable, are elderly. my own father, who is over 0, who is a survivor of a quintuple bypass, we all on this panel know people directly and indirectly who are affected by this disease and it's quite literally life and death. but we already have so much data

to show what can protect people. and the fact that this president has known what he has known back in february, that this is a virus that's a killer, he compared it to the plague, and it's airborne. and to then not only not mandate masks and physical distancing, but instead hold large indoor gatherings is just nothing short of criminal, joy we in the scientific community and in the media have to work together to educate the public and protect them, joy. >> yeah. one more thing he was incoherent about was policing and police reform here's a little clip of that >> if you look at our police, they do a phenomenal job you'll have people joke, make mistakes, and they happen. it happens where they have to make a fast decision and some bad things happen. and you also have bad apples but you have 99% great people. i know the police forces very well >> i don't know what to dowith

that, but i know you have a special coming up that's airing i think now on pbs about policing so i'll just let you respond >> yeah. choke is the wrong word to use we all saw what happened in minneapolis. that was a decision that played out over the course of almost nine minutes and there are lots of systemic factors that you can point to that simply does not have any more basis in fact and the ideas about the masks do >> indeed. congratulations on the special let me now turn to somebody who was there last night my next guest stood up to president trump as she asked a question about health care and whether people with preexisting conditions should remain insured ad they are under the affordable care act >> should preexisting conditions, which obamacare brought into -- brought to

fruition -- >> no. >> please stop and let me finish my question. should that be removed within a 36 to 72-hour period without my medication i would be dead it's not my fault i was born with this disease. >> i'm joined now by elisia black in pennsylvania. first of all, i have to say, when you said stop and let me finish my question, every black woman in america knew you, we all know you now hey, cousin. first of all, when that moment happened, what was going through your mind as you tried to get your question out and president trump jumped in? >> umm, one of my students cutting me off in the middle of a lecture. what i did was not anything -- like my friends have been calling me all night, i haven't even been asleep yet they've been calling me and we've been talking about it and they said that's exact think what you would do. i did not expect you to do

anything except that because respect is reciprocal. and if you're hitting me midstream and coming back at me with a single word, "no," you have to wait until i articulate the question in completion before you determine the answer. >> did you -- do you feel that you got a simple answer on what it is he wants -- yeah did you feel like you got an answer as to what he would do on health care? because that seems unclear to a lot of us. did you walk away feeling clear about what he wants to do on health care? >> actually, i walked away and when i got outside of constitution hall, i found the first wall to sit down on and broke down and cried in frustration and anger. because he didn't answer anyone's question, let alone mine and he ignored us like we had no value, that -- like he was just

using us as a catalyst to say what he wanted to say about himself as normal, as usual. and to push his own agenda which is misinformation. disinformation manipulation of language and it was tragic for him to do that, because i really did go there with the -- with an open mind my problem was, i didn't know if i was going to vote or not it was never a question of will i vote for president trump or biden. it was a question of, will i vote or not? >> and why >> he made up my mind. jz >> why is that >> i'm a historian i teach literature and history my specialty is slavery. and so i have read about our struggles over the last several hundred years. that's what is behind me look at what is on my wall this is my life. and so i know the struggles that

we have been through and we've already fought and won this war multiple times, to have to fight it and win it again in the 21st century is horrific and i'm getting old. my disease is wearing me down, and i'm just tired but once the driver and i were back in the car and he was taking me home, he was explaining to me how he is a fresh citizen from istanbul, how proud he was to be an american, and how excited he was to vote and once he said that to me when i got out of the car and i went in the house, a little bit more frustrated, crying i said how dare i disrespect my ancestors. if he's excited to vote, i have to be excited to vote, too and i have to take the risk and believe in that constitution i just taught my students. i'm still teaching my students right now. so i decided, i'm just going to bite the bullet and vote for biden and pray that -- for once

in the lifetime of black americans, that things will change as they did under the chief court in the '60s and lbj. because we need drastic, drastic change you know, we can't continue to be abused by people in the street, simply because of the color of our skin. where we live, where we're from, how we speak all of this is inappropriate, because we never did anything to deserve what it is that we get and yet another century has come and we suck it up and we're gracious about it. i don't want to be gracious any more i want change and i want it now. >> professor elisia black, you have taught us a class tonight and for those of us not familiar with the clodialogue, we are not

cousins. thank you very much. >> i watch you every night and i'm so happy for you >> thank you, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> thank you i appreciate that. we're back to being cousins again. thank you, sister. thank you very much. eye glad you're going to vote this fall. up next on "the reidout," president trump's former personal lawyer is calling out his old boss, and warning the rest of us not to underestimate president trump's desperation as election day approaches. michael cohen joins me next. plus, misinformation is running rampant these days and our tweeter in chief is not just adding fuel to the fire. he's leading the charge. "the reidout" continues after this still your best friend. and now your co-pilot. still a father. but now a friend. still an electric car. just more electrifying. still a night out. but everything fits in. still hard work. just a little easier.

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in an abc news town hall, president trump must have been advised to show compassion for coronavirus victims, including apparently those who have never been infected with coronavirus

>> she had breast cancer, and it went to her brain, bone and lungs and she passed on the 19th what will you do for our immigration system >> so we are doing something with immigration that i think is going to be very strong, because we want people to come into our country. people like you and your mother. and that just shows how vicious the covid is, especially when you have another problem, you have a heart problem or another type of problem. did you have covid you didn't have it, right? >> no. >> you didn't have it, your mother we'll have it taken care of. it's going to get taken care of. >> joining me now is michael cohen, president trump's one-time attorney, author of the new tell-all memoir, "disloyal," which is going to have a place on "the new york times" best teller list.

>> good to be with you yeah, just hit number one. i'm very excited about it. so thank you >> congratulations that has to be a really good feeling, especially after what you went through >> especially after what i've gone through, yeah >> absolutely. absolutely so let me start with just what we played. tell me about how president trump's mind works as you have known him. how long did you know him? >> well more than a decade. i worked for him and several years prior to that and of course, when he became president. >> absolutely. he went from answering a question, a very heartfelt question that this woman asked about her mom dying of cancer, of breast cancer, and what would he do about immigration. he spent like two seconds on immigration and wept rignt righ covid. what did you take from that? he could n't even stay on

message, he went right to covid as if covid was on his mind. >> because covid is on his mind. it's the one thing that will probably do him in as far as the election is concerned. it is the one thing he's blundered worse than anybody else possibly could have i mean, you could have done absolutely nothing and accomplished the same thing that the president has accomplished here >> yeah. there's also the issue of immigration, which is what he ran on, vilifying people from mexico and saying they're killers and rapists, et cetera and we know now that he also was employing undocumented immigrants to build trump tower to latin x undocumented immigrants all over the place in his places of business, in his golf clubs did president trump, when you knew him, exhibit hatred toward immigrants >> it's -- i wouldn't call it a hatred towards immigrants. it's just a lack of concern.

it's a lack of empathy they were ameans to an end for him, and whether or not they were documented or not made no difference to him at all you have to have empathy, you have to have compassion, and you have to care about something other than yourself to think about somebody else. he lacks those capabilities. >> yeah. let's talk -- >> look at what he did last night to professor black if that just isn't a demonstration of his lack of empathy, you know, then there are really aspects to understanding president trump's mentality and his mindset when you are talking about empathy, which they desperately told him he has to start showing, because it's really making his numbers in the polls go down a lot first of all, it's not news that president trump lacks empathy in general. and that's for anyone. myself included. right? and the second, it's also not news that president trump demeans people of color on a

routine basis, right however, the third part, and this is the most interesting, last night, what president trump exhibit exhibited with professor black is more than just a lack of empathy. he exhibited contempt for her because she's a woman of color and he does this often, as well. so if you look at his body language, he appeared annoyed that here there is this black woman, who is complaining about all sorts of preexisting conditions, asking him about health care, and in the back of his mind he knows that there is a zero chance that he's a supporter and is going to be voting for him and so this is the response that you got. exactly the way -- that look on television is exactly what's going on in his mind sad. >> you write in your book, and this is about specifically his attitudes on race.

you write -- and you said this before when you testified before congress >> so it seems like this is just a consistent thing is it specifically black people or people of color in general? >> i think it's people in general, but it's definitely apart, as it relates to people of color, to black people. you know, what really brought the black issue to prominence, of course, is the fact that you have barack obama, right who became president of the united states, is clearly much more intelligent than he is. he's certainly a much better or r orator and he's universally liked and the world. one of the things that drove president trump crazy is when obama was in germany and received the nobel peace prize

you would think that somebody stole something from him but no, it's -- the fact that obama's black, and that he is smarter than him, and he's a better speaker and more revered. >> is it envy? does he envy barack obama, in your view? >> i think so. i mean, it certainly appears so. if you envy something and you can't admit to the fact you envy them, you hate them, right >> yeah. yeah michael cohen, please stick around for us. we're going to take a big break. one of the big questions is will president trump face prison if he leaves office michael cohen wrote about that in his new book. that's next. stay with us when the world gets complicated, a lot goes through your mind. with fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations.

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in audiotapes, president trump shares his rosy view on autocrats. this time north korea's kim jong-il.

>> it's easy to believe that president trump's thirst for re-election is about the pursuit for the type of power that his comrade kim enjoys maybe it's about something much more immediate four more years of dodging prosecution and staying out of prison for his crimes. michael cohen is back with me. before i get to the idea of president trump and crime, what is behind, in your view, donald trump's adoration for people like kim jong-un and vladamir putin? >> and all of the others it's all about power for him it's autocratic power. it's being a dictator, being a king that's what he wants he doesn't see being president of the united states as being president for all people and that he is working for the people he sees it the other way around. that he's doing a favor to all americans, and that americans should be working for him. i mean, he really believes that he can create the united states into a monarchy, and that he

would be its ruler because on several occasions, he used to talk about putin's insane wealth, that vladamir putin is the single richest man in the world by a multiple, because he owns 25% of all of russia and that look at the power that putin yields he doesn't have to run for election and when he did, all right, it was a landslide. i don't think anybody voted against him. he always used to say, there's an old saying it doesn't matter who you vote for, all that matters is who is counting the vote these are all the things that create an autocrat it creates a dictator that first your suppress people's first amendment rights like he and attorney general bill barr did to me by remanding me back to prison for not wanting to sign over my constitutional rights, and then you spring in the military, like he has wanted to do now you blame, like for example,

you have lou dejoy playing with the postal service so that those people who vote for biden/harris, those ballots will end up disappearing. he is legitimately setting himself up to be an autocrat that goes to your next question, why. and yes, he is petrified he is 100% petrified that there is going to be a slew of litigation against him brought on by multiple state attorney generals, including new york, as well as the cy vance case, as well as other states that are interested in looking at the various different actions that the president has taken pre-presidency and as president. so i do think he is scared >> you write -

>> which leads to the question, michael, of what would he do to stay in power and out of prison? give us the worst case scenario of what you think he would do? >> so president trump is all about winning, and he has no intention of giving up power, which is why i said before the house oversight committee. let's remember, we're talking 18 plus months ago. what i gave to the american people, and it was an enormous number of people that were watching, what i gave to the american people was a preview of this horror movie entitled "the donald trump presidency. and in order to avoid a, you know, a sequel, right, which would be the horror film of 2020, people really do have to vote him out but that's not going to be easy, because the first thing he's going to claim is that the election was rigged, and he's going to -- the day of the election, he's going to declare

that he's the winner, and even for the next couple of weeks, as the ballots are all being counted, he's going to claim they're fake, and he's going to use attorney general bill barr to invalidate all of those, and he's going to do everything possible in order to ensure that he remains president for another four years but then it's not just four more years. the second that that happens, he's already joking, and i tell this many times, president trump doesn't know what it is to tell a joke, and he doesn't understand what a joke is. when he says, how about trump 12 more years, he's looking to set himself up as an autocrat in this country he has no care, he -- legitimately he doesn't care about the constitution of the united states. he believes that he's above everything >> but he can't do that alone. you went along with him for a long time. why do people do it? why do these republicans go along with him, do you think >> because we're stupid.

you know, we were a bunch of sycophants he's very much like a cult leader when you're in his good grace, you believe that you have this enormous amount of power, which you do, and he somehow manages to convince you to use that power for bad. i mean, look at some of the things i talk about in the book in terms of feeding his ego and fixing polls or creating ndas in order to silence women with whom he has an affair the man doesn't know what it is to take responsibility for his own dirty deeds. everybody else like myself are required to do that. and then you take people with illustrious careers like a bill barr and others who have worked in congress and worked for the people of this country in a legitimate fashion, whether you agree with their politics or not, and now they're just throwing their careers away for what for president trump's warmth as

a cult leader? i try to tell everybody in the end of the book, now you have all the information that you need in order to understand who donald trump is. and whether or not you want him as your president for the next four years my hope is that the book, you know, gets people to open up their eyes and to see him for who he is. he's a con-man, he's a racist. he's -- he's a fraud >> yeah. well, michael cohen, you certainly woke up. we appreciate you coming forward and the book is "disloyal," available now. it is going to debut at number one on "the new york times" best seller list. michael, thank you so much appreciate your time meanwhile, coming up, president trump is dialing up his disinformation campaign against joe biden retweeting a vile accusation against the former vice president. we'll be right back. don't go anywhere.

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misinformation is plaguing the country. last week, fake news distracted from the wildfire evacuations in oregon with people spreading false conspiracy theorys that members of antifa were the ones setting the fires. that led to armed citizens setting up illegal checkpoints near evacuation zones. then there's the pro trump group employing teenagers as part of a troll farm where they post false information about the coronavirus and election and if that isn't bad enough, the qanon conspiracy theory, well, now it's spreading around the world. it's been egged on by the pandemic, with people spending more time at home, dooms scrolling than in the before times. you know, when you look up from your phone and you realize you

spent the last few hours in zoom scrolling. qanon was last year labeled a potential domestic terror threat by the fbi there have been bizarre conspiracy theorys forever but what's new is there's never been a president of the united states involved in publicly promoting one. and president trump is doing more than just winking and fodding at qanon, but called qanon followers people that love our country and played into their hands, retweeting a follower who referred to biden as #pedobiden. there is zero reason to say that about joe biden. and last night trump added this, tweeting not once but twice a doctored video, one that twitter marked asthma n manipulated

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along the beach here at orange beach in alabama we're close to the florida line. pensacola is just east of here there's no rain here, no major wind the rain started yesterday afternoon, and it was just pounding the storm was moving very slowly last night, close to midnight, i was standing right here doing a report for brian williams on this deck. this deck extended right to where you see it over there. and this whole thing ripped out. this was supposed to land as a category 1 it landed just a couple miles over this direction, and it came in as a category 2 with winds up to 105 miles an hour, pounding us, pounding us all night. we thought it would be early night. it ended up being this morning about 6:00 a.m., and it just crept its way north from here, and northeast, dumping tons of rain so you said more than a million people affected, i think it might be more than that. 500,000 people are without power, and until late this afternoon, they couldn't even get the power trucking out there

to start fixing things up. so now we have seen police, we're going to see the power trucks coming out here lots of people without power, because that rain came down for so long, it loosened the soil, allowed more trees to be toppled. it was not the big wind event that some storms are, but it was slow storms are, but it was slow and rainy and big wind in the end. finally tonight people along the southern coast here and parts of mississippi are starting to rest and recollect and find out what's been damaged. joy? >> yeah, absolutely. having lived in florida for 14 years, i can tell you that calm doesn't tell you anything about what happened before those slow moving ones are just absolutely devastating thank you so much. keep up the good work, my friend be safe out there. up next, shocking allegations about doctors performing unnecessary surgeries at ice detention facilities. we'll be right back. non-valvular afib can mean a lifetime of blood thinners.

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all i'm aware of is working there the ladies would put in to see the gynecologist for whatever reason that they were wanting to be seen for and they were having hysterectomies

they would come back and question i didn't have an answer. >> that was a nurse in immigrations and customs in urban county georgia dawn and four lawyers are saying that immigrant women have told them they're being sent to a gynecologist who performed unnecessary procedures, including himself reck tomys on them a lawyer for the doctor in question vehemently denies the claims an ice official says it will be fully investigating but that they dispute the allegation that detainees are used for experimental medical procedures. they claim two have been performed since 2018 lasalle corrections refuted the allegations as well writing in a statement to nbc, they have a strict zero tolerance policy and takes all allegations of such mistreatment seriously they called on the inspector

general to investigate the claims and for more i'm joined by jacob who spoke to dawn about her claims he is the author of "separated: inside an american tragedy." it is shocking the allegations when those of us who are reading them, jacob, it is interesting to me that the statement refuting this went right to there is no expermitation going on because that's not what was being alleged. or is it >> no. it was not what was being alleged, joy obviously the first thing we have to say is these are horrific allegations if they are proven to be true. i think it's important here to go step by step to talk about what we know and what we don't know is as important at this point. we have the whistleblower complaint from dawn wooten she was specific insofar as she said women were coming to her. but not specific as far as naming names while there are other women that came forward, they were unnamed.

we did speak with four different lawyers who had represented either current or former clients within irwin two said their clients had had hysterectomies and others undergone invasive procedures without their consent or one were asked to have it and did not ultimately end up having it. there is a way to get to the bottom of this number one, obviously is here from detainees inside this facility essentially ice would be and we have asked for receipts, what are essentially receipts for these type of procedures that this doctor would have gone through this and so far ice has not provided those to us, joy and we continue to ask for them. >> just to be clear, you have tried to speak with the doctor as well and look for a statement. has he responded >> no. in fact, i called today again. julia called yesterday and was

hung up on i called today and was literally hung up three times in a row within the course of two or three minutes. obviously the lawyer has spoken out, but the doctor has not been willing to go on the record. the doctor could easily obviously refute any of these allegations, but he hasn't made himself available to do so at this point. >> and some of these allegations include the nurse who was very brave to come forward. let's be clear she came clear face, name, voice, everything. she came forward and made these allegations that includes she heard people call the doctor a uterus collector that she says she was demoted from a 40 hour workweek after insisting she wear a mask in the facility that women signed consent forms but that they didn't know what they were consenting to and that she says a number of detainees made these allegations she claimed one detain knee had the wrong ovary removed and she could hear the doctor

acknowledge the mistake was made who are the women -- where are the women coming from in this facility do you have a sense of who these women are? >> from all over the world they're english speakers, spanish speakers i think what the nurse's complaint really gets at is obviously these allegations, if proven true, are uniquely heinous. but she detailed a complaint about medical conditions generally and access to medical care specifically with coronavirus. and i mean i think this gets to a larger issue, which is this will be ajdjudicated by the department of homeland security. dhs says they will do their own independent investigation of this what is happening with the oversight in ice facilities when you have covid running rampid throughout these facility where is the nurse is alleging lack of ppe. and we're seeing this in other facilitie

facilities, joy, all across the country. and that is the bottom line. this is a systemic failure of medical care >> absolutely. jacob, thanks for staying on top of it. really appreciate it your work tomorrow night actress and about i havetist john fonda will be here "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in". >> this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against covid than when i take a covid vaccine. >> the director of the cdc makes the terrible mistake of telling us the truth about masks and vaccines and the president will not let that stand >> i think he made a mistake when he said that it's just incorrect information. he got the message maybe confused maybe it was stated incorrectly. >> tonight as the lying continues, why the trump loyalist spinning covid signs is now headed for the exits. more claims of women