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this hour. today started off to a morm mall news day it turned into a cascade of breaking news. we'll get through a whole bunch of it tonight. i will give you a preview tonight of a major story that we are finishing up the supporting on now that we are going to break on our tomorrow's night show there is a lot to get to tonight. a lot has developed the last few hours. let's start with this that broke up "the new york times" tonight. cdc's testing guidance was published against scientist objections this is a scoop from "times" reporter i think it is something that we all worried may be coming. we saw this it happening a couple of weeks ago. this was the ap headline at the time officials modify covid-19

testing guidelines sparking away from confusions and bewildering experts. >> that's not a good headline during a global pandemic >> the president started saying he wanted there to be less coronavirus testing because if we had less testing, it would like look we have less cases he brought on this radiologyist to take over the task force at the white house. this is the guy he had been arguing that for months that covid is not so bad and it is good that if the more people get it, the more the better. we should not worried about testing people so much because who cares and how many people get it in any context it would be weird for the cdc to take an unexpl n unexplained u-turn

in an environment where the president is blixtpublicly embrg crazy ideas. covid is good and infects everyone and stop the testing. in that environment it was particularly worrying and ominous for the cdc to put out these new recommendations that not so many people should get tested that's what i mean when i say a lot of us worried this may be coming now we got the story thanks for the new reporting from new york times. we know just as bad as we worry it may be. >> here is the reporting from "the times" tonight. this was posted to the agency's

website according to several people familiar with the matter as well as documents obtained by "the times." it was not the cdc but rather other trump administration officials who rewrote the existing testing guidelines and they quote "dropped the new recommendations to the cdc's public website flouting the agen agency's strict guidelines." >> the cdc stops objection documents and went unheard we do not have the able to make substantial edits. an e-mail obtained by the "the times"

we do not have the ability to make substantial edits scientists and cdc are not being allowed to make this document or write this trump written testing guidelines they're putting our names on it. they used the credibility and the authority of the cdc but they posted their own mayde-up stuff. these are not guidelines developed by cdc or scientists or science it makes the cdc guidance is trustworthy in the first place cdc scientists are being told in a document taken by the time that this objection for this guy does not matter. the white house and the trump add vacation says it all >> and this is probably the part

where the cdc director is supposed to resign whether protest that's happening or ashamed. this is the part where rehe signs. at least that's how it work in the movies "the times" got these documents n now. congratulations to the reporter who broke the story. apparently this may in part be happening specifically now, specifically tonight because there are sources who have nong of what's going on here, who seemed to be trying to give us head ups not of the fact that this already happens and test k guidelines rolled out from the

cdc were bogus sources trying to give us head ups. not only did this just happen last month but apparently it is about to happen again. it is about to happen tomorrow quote, "a new version of the testing guidance is expected to be posted friday, has always not been cleared boo i the cdc's internal review. >> this happens a few weeks ago. the cdc was hijacked testing mek recommendations did not come from them now we are forewarned that it is about to happen tomorrow, they're about to put out new versions they're trump administration

guidelines that they're going to put out under the cdc's name again. we have now been forewarned. you know part of this is -- how can i say this sort of with an i and my mind with the good people of the cdc and the good people of america's public help infrastructure and agency. what this says about you some of what this is a testament to how good you are. a testament of how much the cdc has become the international gold standard or public health guidan guidance if you are a bad actor and you want to wrap ourself up in someone else's reputation in this field or if you want to assume as your own the agency and the entity, standing for excellence in this field.

if you are a bad actor, that's the cdc's glory. they are the international gold standard the trump administration moved to steel authority and puing out their on jump under the cdc's name they know we, the american people see the cdc's name on it will mean something to us and we'll follow it and we'll be incline to follow it because we know the cdc the fact that they now stolen it and put out non-cdc bogus guidance under the cdc's name. that also means it is over now in terms of that reputation. he has allowed the scientific integrity of that story important, historically unparalleled agency.

if it got the cdc's name on it, you can no longer count on it. sometimes it is not just scientific junk trover straight to the white house for political reasons. it takes decades and phds and every kinds of doctor there is it takes the experience of navigating and build the kind of reputation and experience an authority and gravitas that the u.s. leave the world in. it takes out one term, one president to eat it, eat it or destroy it how are we going to get it back? >> joining us now is amanda, "the new york times" reporter who broke this story tonight >> thank you for joining us on short notice >> thank you very having me. it is my pleasure.

>> i want to ask you about sort of what the cdc is trying to tell us here one of the things sounds so fascinating is your sources telling you that we sort of all should have known that there were visible things and there were mistakes in that testing guidance that anybody from the cdc, anybody familiar with the cdc's work slouhould have reali and mark it as not a cdc's product. do you recognize those now when you look at the guidance to the cdc. >> there were things about that cdc report that i think were obvious to people in the know. to people who are working closely with the cdc, like doctors at the american association or doctors of

infectious ds of america a lot of experts questioned these statements and said this does not sound like the cdc, this is contradictory to what we have heard them say so far on a macro scale, they knew these guidance did not make sense. >> these scientists are so upset that their work being represented in this way, i will give you one example in the document it makes many testing for corid. well, you don't test for the disease, you test for the presence of virus. it turns out that is the other organization involved and the white house don't like that term so they say testing for covid. >> and they know that itkills

them inside that all of these documents are out there is and the documents gotten so much attention and it is not their work it is being misrepresented and they're getting blamed for it. >> i think one of the reasons that they reach out to me for this moment in time because they seen that these document ls have huge impact on public health they right lane worried for what it means for the public and also i think they really want some change they want congress to pay attention and somebody to take action and to stop the political interference if you will >> that's fascinating. >> it is helpful if you see something under the cdc's name, it is written in a scientific and inaccurate way.

that's a fingerprint you can look for to know that's not something written by the cdc's scientists >> in terms of the kinds of warning you are getting and upset you are hearing from your sources. i am struck that you are reporting of another piece of guidance is due tomorrow you write this is something that's not gone through the sort of processes and that's something going through the cdc to make their scientific standards. do you know the guidance due tomorrow will be put out of the cdc's name and do you know what it will say? >> i believe the plan is it will go under the cdc's website at least it was the plan before it came out >> my source learned about this new guidance from the media. they did not know, they were being worked on because they were not asked to work on i. they had no idea it was being done apparently some people in the

cdc may have been involved but it has gone through the hhs and task force for comment there is a good chance that as it was done with the version that's up on the website now it will be heavily revised and heavily modified until it is unrecognizable to whenever did write it >> one of the ways people resist this kind of thing is letting people know it is coming and then it is up to public out cry to try to reestablish the scientific integrity on the wall and of what we are protecting. thank you so much, i appreciate it >> thanks for having me. >> really important stuff. as i mentioned at the top of the hour, this has been a day and

particular lyan particular ly a ton of breaking news today is another senior trump's official has sort of flipped has come out publicly to say, as a senior staffer, she wants us all to know that she had seen it from the ideas and what they are doing and how they behave and it is worse than you think. >> yes, another senior trump staffer based on what she's seen, everyone loyal republicans should vote this president out of office. this is nothing like we have ever seen in every administration people have written critical books here and there with these guys it is just a high that'll not stop. the number of people who have done this for the administration is absolutely unprecedented and the rank and the times of jobs

people have. run for the when i will, this is terrible there's nothing like it. he's defense secretary we saw similar and panic warning from the top counter terrorism at the department of homeland security and from the chief of staff from the department of homela homeland security. once again it is a senior national security person olivia troy, she was pence's lead staffer he of course the head of the white house task force >> she said she's the person who organized and par pated in every white house task force >> she's been in position of all of it and what she ils warning us all about >> watch this.

>> i am olivia troy i have been on the covid-19 task force dins dsince day one. we knew it was alienator of if covid will become the big pandemic here in the its the president did not want to hear that bus his biggest learn was we are in an election year how is this going to affect what he could consider. it was smockinging it defines who he was maybe this covid thing is a good thing. i don't like shaking happeneding with each. i don't have to shake up and

down hands with disgusting people these are the people who still go to his pham raleys today and who has complete faith of who he is fchlt the president taken this virus seriously and made an effort to tell how serious it was, he would have slowed the spread and saved lives this was the opportunity and honor of a lifetime to be able to serve in the white house. >> i put my heart and sole into this role. at some point i can look at myself in the mirror and they are you really making a difference s who matter it was awful. >> this was terrifying i have been a republican my entire life. i am a bush's republican and i am voting for joe biden because i believe we are at a time of

constitutional crisis. at this point, it is country over party >> olivia troy the top overcome land security to vice president mike pence that's a testimony yal it was released today. >> and that's the new allegation we have not heard after about the president. >> tagain, liver ya troy is the bern who organized and participated any aus meeting olivia troy told the a"the washo post" tonight that she hopes, you know the headline there. there is a coronavirus aekd

wave this is the op-ed where the president is saying it is huge success access and we are down to 20,000 cases a way. and it won't come back we are sitting here in september p that piece from white pence seemed like it is bananas. it is one thing for a wherk jerk like the to look at that and come out in the summer and feel that way now now to have his top advisor on coronavirus telling "the washington post" tonight that she helped to write that nonsense and she can tell us yeah, that's trash. mean that's, that's something else that's what just happened.

>> testifies asked by senior pence age. it was lewd chris she said her anessment was lewd chris she says that as a lifelong republican and a trump white house official sbun who's right there in the mit f of the coronavirus, she's saying run, i need you to know how bad it is. she says he'll be voting for joe biden in november. the chief of staff to education secretary, betsy devoss is about to come out and joining these groups who are giving these kinds of warnings. it has been a nuts day more news for you.

stiens we ha >> a federal judge issued a ruling, requiring the u.s. postal service to undo all the things they have done other the course of the summer to slow down the mail. the judge gave what's called the bench ruling, meaning he over saw and listen to a hearing and ruling from the bench. we have been awaiting for his actual written order which is de devastating to immediately reverse the change knowing who we are is hard. ind instituted more on action. right after the break. first, and you're going to find yourself where you need to be. ♪ the race is never over. the journey has no port.

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it was august 18th when the national uproar over the trump administration monkey wrenching

the friggin' mail, got to a high level that the postmaster general announced that he would suspend the changes that he instituted that slowed down the mail he said he would stop things like taking mailboxes off all the street corners 14 states led by washington state filed a lawsuit. we hear that you are going to rescind these changes but we are here to ensure that you put your money where your mouth is. these 14 states took them to court. well, it is good that they did if you are worried about the mail since that announcement, we have seen plenty of evidence that the mail have continued to be slowed

we are going to have more on that with a senator who uncovered that in just a moment. today there was drama in a federal courthouse in washington state. a federal judge held a 2.5 hours hearing in the merits of this case he over saw the hearing and he ruled from the bench we have been trying to get a transcript so we did get some quotes which was our first alert that this was going to be a red hot decision for example, "the states demonstrated that the defendants are involved at a politically motivated attack on the efficiency of the postal service, they demonstrated this attack is likely to harm the state's ability to administer the 2020 election. the judge said that the mail

delivery backlogs caused by these changes slowing down delivery of ballots. the state may not determine election outcomes timely we knew this ruling is going to be a big deal. the judge issued his written ruling so now we can see what's what's directing the post office to do. "accordingingly it is hear by ordered that plaintiffs

plaintiffs -- continue enforcement of policy changes that slowed mail delivery including instructing mail care to leaving mails behind. prohibiting aof return trips. they're always enjoying from taking any actions and commitments made by postmaster louis dejoy on august 18th they're enjoying implementing or

enforcing any change of the nature of postal services which will affect service on a nationwide or substantially nationwide bases of advised opinion of the regulatory commission the judge goes onto say and this is interesting goes onto say any postal facility has trouble processing election mails due to any of these changes, he says the equipment is to be replaced by this judge's order if any facility has requested the machinery being replaced, that request must be presented to the court, meaning to this judge and he'll make sure it is handled. the court will determine those reques requests again, this is a federal judge in washington state issuing a nationwide injunction against the postal service to go back to the way they were doing things before dejoy monkey wrench our

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plaintiffs allege these changes were made for political reasons. plaintiffs allege while the removal of sorting machines is taken place across the country the removal would affect sorting capacities in states where elections have been particularly close. that's part of the ruling tonight from a federal judge in washington state ordering a national injunction, telling the u.s. postal service they must reverse the changes that had been made under postmaster dejoy that have slowed down or crewsce

up the mail this summer. that description from the judge also happens to line up perfectly with a report released by senator gary peters of michig michigan a report he titled "failure to deliver. the nationwide impact of the changes that dejoy instituted and the fact that the worst slow downs appeared to be in some parts of the country where the election is expected to be closest. senator peters now is joining us thank you very much for joining us on short notice it has been sort after a fast moving news day. i appreciate you making time for us >> great to be with you, thank you. >> let me get your top line action to this nationwide injunction from a federal judge who took on this and hearing this case from 14 states, telling the postal service they need to reverse these changes immediately. >> i applaud the decision. i think it is a good decision.

it was clear from the report that is we put out this week that there was definitely problems with the delivery of mail, on time delivery was down. when you look at when those procedures went in place during the five weeks following that. we found that roughly 350 million pieces of first class mail were delayed. we saw significant drops of on time deliveries. that's what i was hearing from men and women working everyday, postal workers who were saying they were putting policies in place slowing down delivery mail and something they take great pride and were concerned we looked at data and there is definitely a slow down we have not seen a complete recovery despite statements made by the post office we have to be vigilant and keep an eye on it the judge's ruling is helpful to make sure what postmaster dejoy said was going to happen, will

actually happen. >> and peters, i was struck by the parallel in this case and the judges ruling about it tonight. a slow down by these processes, i was struck by your findings of worse specific areas a you found that on time rate failed more than 20 points in ohio and 19 points in detroit and 18 points in central pennsylvania is that just a coincidence that these areas that seemed to be the hardest hit, a lot of them are areas that are the bulls eye in terms of where this election is going to be contested or did i find other reasons may explain

it >> i don't have a reason we were asking that question right from the get-go. i heard from thousands of people across michigan who are saying they are seeing delays in mail they never experienced before. i thought it was important to know was this widespread or all over the state of michigan or the country or was it selected areas? >> michigan we are one of the ballot ground states as well as my race for the u.s. senate. this is going to be a high p high-profile place delays and deliveries in michigan were primary in the greater detroit area you did not see the same kind of delays out state during the height of it, roughly only 60% of mails being delivered on time. half of the mail was delayed what we are trying to find out and we have not been able to get the information from the postal service is how long were those delays i have been hearing from

michigan that there were many day days mail is critical and think of prescription drugs and people relied on having drugs delivered to them on time. i heard from a mother whose daughter needs medicine to deal with her seizures expected to get her mail within three days and didn't come. her daughter became fearful started to reduce her dosage an ended up being hospitalized. on time delivery for mail is critical this is unacceptable the postmaster general has not provided any data or analysis went into make these changes why would you make these kinds of changes when we are in the middle of a pandemic, when mail delivery is critical for folks this is not the time to make

changes particularly without having analysis kind of anticipate as to what the impact would be >> senator peters, the great state of michigan. thank you for helping us understand what you and your community were able to find on this i will say the more grandular you get, the more enraging the story is it is enraging all the more when you think of impact on individual people. thank you for helping us understand thanks for your work >> thanks for having me on >> much more ahead very, very busy news night and only getting more busy with each passing minutes. stay with us re of you and your car. >> tech: we'll fix it right with no-contact service you can trust. >> tech: so if you have auto glass damage, stay safe with safelite. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ twow! jim, could yous spop the hood for us? there she is. turbocharged, right?

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tonight's breaking news from "the new york times," the trump administration posted guidelines for coronavirus last month

that news from "the new york times" tonight comes on the heels last night of michael caputo leaving the top spokesperson job he was a trump's campaign aid. once he was installed at hhs, he demanded all sorts of changes to the cdc including their weekly scientific report and mr. caputo delay delayed publication of guidance of coronavirus while mr. caputo is now gone with him gone i guess there is no body standing in the way like this cdc report like this one just came out.

according to the brand new release, school age kids can not only spread the virus between each other between classrooms, they're capable of taking the virus home with them taking virus out of the classroom to infect other people in their homes including the adults at home everyon if they asymptomatic . the decision for reopening school in this country for in-person learning is a front and center consideration when it comes to preventing transmission in any community on that point of the dramatic standoff that started last week in the great state of iowa that state, republican governor kim reynolds directed that all counties must resume in-person learning as long as they made a set of criteria she has

announced. the public district says they were not comfortable with that they'll defide the governor's order. they would be safe holding i well, that was the case last week this week the school direct voted to defy the governor, despite. the fight over iowa school's opening, it is not a problem that started in iowa with governor reynolds. this is what happens when leaders bang the drums for schools to reopen and for kids to take off their masks while you're at it, right, promising it will all do away. the fwov nor of iowa has been following the president's lead but the des moines school

district says they are not doing it joining us is the superintendent of des moines public schools it is a pleasure to have you with us tonight. thanks to your service to the schools. >> it is nice to be here with you. >> so i've tried to put this in a little bit of a national context, but i'm sure it distorts it a bit from the statewide perspective. can you explain the decision-making of what you decided to do here and the conflict this sets up with your governor. >> yeah. we had put a return to learn plan together early this summer. announced it to our community on july 1st and at that time we were closely monitoring the covid-19 situation in the county. we're trying to take our best guess as to what the decisions would be when we started school. conditions over the summer continued to worsen and, in fact, at the time of school

starting, we were one of two or three hot spots in the country near that time we decided to attempt to buy some time, so we delayed the start of the school year to september 8th and we filed for a waiver with the state department to allow us to operate in a virtual manner for two weeks and hope that things would improve. that has not happened. we filed for an injunction in the district court in an effort to allow us to be held harmless while we operated virtually until such time we thought it was safe to return students and staff into school safely. >> the governor has set some thresholds that she thinks are the right trip wires for whether or not schools should be held in person and for other coronavirus restrictions, and they're not in line with the sorts of thresholds that we heard from

w.h.o. or from other governors who have tried to set these numerical thresholds she set very high thresholds for when a community should essentially be deemed safe to further open up. has that been a part of the point of convention here have you been able to engage with the governor at all on that, as to why you don't feel it is safe to have in person schooling but she nevertheless insists she should >> we have engaged with the governor and her representatives on a number of occasions, going back to early july we don't have an understanding of why the metrics that the state is putting forth are set where they are what we have been studying and learning from from well rue puted consultants tells us a different story. so we desperately want to be in compliance with the state, but at the top of our priority list

is ensuring that we're keeping our students and our staff and their families safe. and what we do in des moines because of our size has a broad ranging impact in the entire des moines metro area, and we feel a special responsibility in that regard as well >> i know this is such a fraught personal serious thing for every family i mean, even if you don't have kids, your friends who have kids and your friends who are kids, this is the most important thing in the world right now and the mass dislocation and the uncertainty and the -- just the unknown and the scariness and the various competing stakeholders and everything, this is just an incredibly difficult decision i have to ask being at the tip of the spear here as the did you want of des moines public school, having this tough decision to make and having this confrontation over what you think is right, how has it been?

>> well, you know, it's -- i think our community has shown tremendous grace, and our staff has been remarkably flexible and adaptive we've had a fantastic start to the year and while none of us would hope to have all of our students in a virtual environment, i think we're executing that real well but the pressure is certainly mounting, you know we're the onlydistrict in the state that has remained all virtual without a waiver certainly that's not where we want to be, not in compliance with state law and we continue to look for opportunities to find enough flexibility such that we feel confident that we are doing our due diligence in protecting the safety of our students and our staff while also be in compliance with state law. at this particular juncture, it looks like we're at a -- we

continue to be at a cross roads, but we'll continue to reach out and look for opportunities to partner with the state and find a way through this >> the superintendent of des moines public schools in iowa, again, thank you for your service. i know this is a really hard place to be. good luck to you and keep us apprised i know this is a tough situation. keep us apprised. >> will do we'll be right back. stay with us puberty means personal space. so sports clothes sit around doing a little growing of their own.

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we opened the show tonight with news from the new york times about the administration putting out last month what they said were new cdc guidelines on coronavirus testing. turns out those guidelines were not actually written by the cdc. the administration wrote them themselves and put them out on the cdc's name despite objections from the cdc that they did not agree with them and that they were bad science great scoop by the times and a terrible development by our administration tomorrow night we are going to have a special report here on this show about something else that has gone very, very wrong with public health agencies in this country and the administration it is something that is previously unreported. we're finishing the reporting on it tonight we will have it for you tomorrow night. i hope you will be there for that now it is time for