tv Andrea Mitchell Reports MSNBC September 18, 2020 9:00am-10:00am PDT
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good day i'm andrea mitchell in washington with the first trump/biden debate only 11 days from now the president and joe biden are both going to be campaigning in minnesota today, a state president trump barely lost in 2016 the two held dueling prime time events last night in a preview of what we might see in that first debate biden arguing he represents the middle and working class against trump who he says inherited everything and then squandered
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it biden continuing to slam the president for his handling of the pandemic while the president tried to scare suburban voters with false claims of the risk of a democratic win >> as franklin roosevelt said, things get worse before they get better, but you have to level with the american people, shoot from the shoulder. there's never been a time when the president people haven't stepped up the president should step down >> if biden wins, anarchists, flag burners, they win and we're not into flag burners. >> this as a new "the new york times" poll shows the coronavirus is damaging the president's approval rating and jeopardizing some gop senators up for reelection. biden leads in arizona by nine points and in maine by 17 points and the two are effectively tied in north carolina, a critical state. joining had he now, nbc news'
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mike memoli with the biden campaign, and nbc news' garrett haake. mike, joe biden is beginning to move outward more, and you're breaking news about his intelligence briefing. >> reporter: yeah, that's right, andrea the first official confirmation from the biden campaign that he did in fact have a full, in-person, classified briefing this week in wilmington. it was on wednesday. he's referred in some of these fundraisers and in other settings to some of what he's learned, talking about election interference concerns and the fact that president trump's own rhetoric might be playing into it or making the situation worse. but as we see joe biden just getting on the plane in the last hour on his way here to just outside of duluth, wondering
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what his message might be, i had a conversation with him a few weeks after the election in 2016, and i know you had similar considerations with him, andrea, in the last few weeks of his invite vice presidency, talking about what went wrong in 2016. at trump campaign events in places like scranton that he considered rock ribbed democratic bastions, he wonder whether democrats were doing enough to speak to the fears and concerns of working class democrats. he felt they weren't speaking enough to them we're seeing the vice president hone into that rhetoric as biden appeals to democrats who have trended away from the party. listen to him in his hometown of scranton last night. >> i really do view this campaign as a campaign between scranton and park avenue all that trump can see from park avenue is wall street. all he thinks about is the stock
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market when you guys started talking on television about biden, if he wins, will be the first person without an ivy league degree to be elected president, i'm thinking, who the hell makes you think i have to have an ivy league degree to be president? >> reporter: andrea, the places where biden is campaigning today, hillary clinton carried them in 2016 but she lost a lot of ground from where obama was four years earlier biden hopes to bring their margins back up so this state is no longer in play. >> yeah, and in fact that pitch last night i think plays directly to the economic message were he is still trailing the president in terms of approval ratings on the economy garrett haake, you're going to be covering the president tonight in minnesota, and they're both in that very important state. >> reporter: that's right, andrea for donald trump, minnesota is the one that got away. minnesota and new hampshire were
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the two states where he came closest to taking clinton states and adding them to his electoral total. it's the two states where his campaign thinks he may have the best chance to go on offense against the democrats. we see him tonight in bemidgi, in an obama/trump county, trying to expand on the margin he created for himself in 2016, trying to draw more voters out of the woodwork in more rural areas and trying to expand his message here in small towns. i can tell you, talking to trump supporters today, the message that rioters are going to come into your suburbs doesn't resonate here, the voters don't see it, they don't feel it, it's not real but they are still with him on the economy. the interesting factor that comes into play, early voting starts in minnesota, some voters i talked to were on their way to go vote today.
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but the president continues these scattershot attacks on the whole electoral system and i think that's causing some problems even for his supporters to know exactly what they're spoech supposed to do here is what he said last night in wisconsin about voting in general right now. take a listen. >> they better be careful, those paper ballots you talk about are bad things, just get out and vote and they know it's trouble they just had another election today, fellas, where it's a disaster the votes come in, they have no idea, they can't count them. and i don't mean they're off by a little bit they're off by 20%, 25%. there's fraud, there's missing ballots. >> reporter: if that's confusing to the viewers at home, don't adjust your set. it is confusing. and i think that's partly by design but i have to tell you, the trump supporters i talked to are also confused. i had people asking me, i'm getting ballot applications in the mail, i don't know what to do with it, do i vote in person, do i vote later? this widespread destabilizing of
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how we're going to vote appears to be a strategy that the president is going to continue to employ, but to what effect, i don't really know, andrea. >> in fact, he did it in nevada, he did it in north carolina last week, last weekend in nevada, in fact saying if the democrats win, it's rigged so he is really injecting a lot of confusion and distrust into the electoral system in fact the paper ballots that are the back upsystup system, t what amy klobuchar has been trying to get, paper is considered the ultimate backup which ought to be universal across the states. it's very confusing, those remarks, indeed. garrett haake, thank you, mike memoli, head to head in minnesota today. now to the stunning criticism of the president's handling of the pandemic from a pence national security aide who worked on the white house coronavirus task force olivia troye resigned in july. now she says she will vote for joe biden.
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in this ad paid for by republican voters against trump, troye says the president was more interested in his reelection and the economy and offers this startling account. >> when we were in a task force meeting, the president said maybe this covid thing is a good thing, i don't like shaking hands with people, i don't like shaking hands with those disgusting people. those disgusting people are the people he claims to care about, the people still going to his rallies today. i would come home at night and look at myself in the mirror and say, are you really making a difference no matter how hard you work and what you do, the president will do something that is detrimental to keeping americans safe which is why you signed up for this role >> joining me now, reuters white house correspondent jeff mason, elise jordan who was an aide in the george w. bush administration, and kimberly atkins, "boston globe" senior opinion writer, welcome, all jeff, the white house is pushing back against olivia troye.
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you've cover olivia troye, you know her give me your background, your perspective on all this. >> the first thing to say, andrea, though the white house is trying to downplay her role and call her a disgruntled employee, she was in the mix and at the very top levels with regard to the coronavirus response she was vice president pence's deputy, i think, deputy national security adviser she was essentially the planner for the coronavirus task force, for those meetings she coordinated closely with each of the doctors. she coordinated closely with the other members of the task force. so you can say she's a disgruntled employee, which is what the white house is saying, but you can't say she wasn't a very, very key member of this team that adds a lot of credibility about the criticism she's giving about the response from this white house and more specifically from this president. >> and in fact, because she was such a critical player, working with the scientists and of
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course with the vice president whom she said she still has a great deal of respect for, she would see that intersection. so she would be the best witness, perhaps, to the tensions between the two let's show you a little bit of that, what dr. fauci had to say when asked about her by chris hayes last night >> i interacted with olivia. i liked that she was a good person she was important to the team as a staff person, to the coronavirus task force >> elise, you've worked in a very different white house, the george w. bush white house and you can appreciate how much guts it took for her to take this stand >> andrea, i was just trying to think of what the equivalent would have been in 2004. and it would have been if a top nsc staffer had come out and said that the war in iraq was being completed mishandled, or if in 2012, a top nsc staffer for obama had come out and said benghazi is a disaster, here is how the administration has gone
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wrong. you just don't see dramatic turns like this from staffers who are trained to hold things so close to the invevest, who a used to handling classified material, who do not go and leak to the press with frequency and tend to be not press-savvy so it really is a very courageous move on olivia troye's behalf it certainly is not going to help her career within government so shelter is motivated by principles here. >> and she has quite a stellar career, a great resume, she's got a lot of national security experience so this really is a big step look what's happened already to some of the other people during impeachment who ended up having to leave their very good state department and nsc jobs. kimberly, joe biden is really hammering, again, consistently, no matter what other veins he
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tries to open up, on the presidential response to covid >> yes, because that remains top ofmind for most voters right now. i can't think of an election where there was an issue that was so overwhelmingly important, that touched every person's life it's usually health care but this is an extension of that, because it's not just about people's health, it's about their livelihoods, it's about being able to send their children to school nobody has untouched by this and the president himself is really providing support for these accounts by olivia troye and all the others who have spoken about this to the press and in public that he has been focused on a very narrow economic point, the stock market, which really only reflects the health of corporate america. it doesn't even reflect the economic health of small business owners, of people who have lost their jobs or had to
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take different jobs, people who are trying to manage their children and staying home to take care of them. it's a really small focus. he's focused on politics he's talking about red states versus blue states and he's consistently giving misinformation and trying to downplay the virus, even inconsistent with his own experts, within his own administration so the idea that what olivia troye is talking about is just the ramblings of a disgruntled employee, well, the president himself is serving as a very good witness to back up everything she's said. >> and jeff mason, the rebuke for dr. redfield at the cdc and all the revelations now from the cdc, they have not figured out how to keep a consistent message of what is important for public health and the president is on his own track regarding masks, social distancing and all the rest of it i think you personally experienced that a week or so
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ago, didn't he tell you to take your mask down when you were asking a question in the briefing room? >> he did. i was outside, right in front of the white house, and that's the second time he's done that with me and that -- i mean, the point of that is that he has been inconsistent on masking. and despite what the white house says when it tries to suggest he's been in favor of them from the beginning, that's not true it's not true in the modeling of it, by questioning whether it's important to wear masks, asking people like me to take them off, praising people when they take them off and olivia gets to that in the testimony in her video >> thank you so much, jeff mason, and kimberly atkins, thanks for being with us and of course elise jordan, thank you. as the presidential campaign heats up, key swing states are showing some signs of trouble for president trump in new polls. for the latest on all the polling, nbc news national
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political correspondent steve kornacki joins me now. steve, the battleground states show some interesting movement this week. >> you can see it right here, andrea what you have is what happened in 2016, these were all trump victories, he went six for six in these states in 2016. and now, you see joe biden leads in all of them, ranging from a 1-point lead in north carolina up to 7 in wisconsin this week at least we've had a lot more polls from the battleground states than we've had nationally, in particular two states here. i would say we've gotten a lot of polls out of wisconsin this week, that's a 7-point lead for biden, based on a fair number of polls going into that average. we've also gotten a good number of polls out of arizona this week that large lead for biden, the largest in this group, 7 points in wisconsin, particularly
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important given what the trump campaign has been saying about the message of law and order, the events on the ground in kenosha. they believe wisconsin is a state where that will resonate for them a lot of polling coming out of wisconsin and not a sign that that is happening. if you take a look at what that could mean for the battle for 270, this is where things landed in 2016. if you take that biden lead of 7 for wisconsin, if that were to hold up, michigan right there, let's start with wisconsin if 3w50biden were to get in wisconsin, 242 if he were to get arizona, multiple polls this week where biden is leading, maricopa county, phoenix, optimistic, 253. the other state right there, michigan, not as many polls but of those three midwest states that trump flipped in 2016, that's the one democrats have been most optimistic about all along. just that, just michigan, wisconsin, and arizona, with
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nothing else changing, would get biden up to 269. and oh, by the way, i would love to see a good public poll here but democrats have been really talking up, believe it or not, that second congressional district of nebraska they do them by congressional districts. that's omaha we're talking about the movement of suburbs, the metro areas. that's what that district is if biden were to get that, just arizona, that one district, wisconsin, where we've had a ton of polling, and michigan, if nothing else changes, that would get him to 270 >> and what about that one district in maine? >> and we've got polling this morning also, that second congressional district in maine. donald trump won this by 10 points in 2016 and got an electoral vote new poll this morning from "the new york times" and sienna, biden is ahead by 2. that would be a pickup by biden of an electoral vote
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>> the debates could tell the story. and we're only a week and a half away from the first. thank you so much, steve kornacki, great to see you as the coronavirus death toll now nears 200,000 people, the latest on the race for a vaccine. why drug companies are sharing, beginning to share more details than before about the process that we can expect plus early voting is now under way in a few states. we'll be hearing from voters who lined up at the polls in virginia and in minnesota, later this hour. stay with us you're watching "andrea mitchell reports. this is msnbc. at leaf blowers. you should be mad your neighbor always wants to hang out. and you should be mad your smart fridge is unnecessarily complicated. make ice. making ice. but you're not mad because you have e*trade which isn't complicated. their tools make trading quicker and simpler so you can take on the markets with confidence. don't get mad get e*trade and start trading commission free today.
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america is about to reach a grim milestone in the pandemic with 200,000 deaths. here are the facts at this hour. controversial guidance on the cdc's website last month, saying that people who had been exposed to the virus did not need to get tested if they didn't have symptoms, apparently came from hhs officials, bureaucrats who were not scientists. political appointees it was not written by cdc scientists officials tell "the new york times" the health department did the rewrites and dropped it into the cdc website despite series objections from agency professionals. the move flouting the cdc's strict scientific review process. while the president is suggesting a vaccine will be ready before election day, three drug makers do not expect a vaccine to be ready for fda
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approval before november 3 and the white house scrapped a plan to send hundreds of billions of cloth masks to every household in april, instead distributing the masks to nonprofit organizations and state and federal agencies, according to an internal email from a senior trump official obtained by nbc news and a setback for student in new york, a delay in in-person classes which were supposed to begin today amid a critical staffing shortage. joining me is dr. ashish jha, dean of the brown university school of public health. dr. jha, thank you very much are you now hearing, at least from moderna and pfizer, enough about their plans for a rollout and for getting fda approval, is this somewhat reassuring given all the mixed messaging, especially from the president?
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>> so andrea, thank you for having me on it's great to see them releasing their protocols. one of the things that many of us have been calling for is a lot more transparency to build up confidence within the american people. so i was happy to see those. i want to hear more information from astrazeneca about what happened with the pause and why it was unpaused. there is still not as much forthrightness as i think we all need, but we're clearly heading in the right direction >> and again, the skepticism that many people have, certainly most of the scientists have about the president's timetable of a couple of weeks before it would be ready and could be distributed almost instantly to large sectors of the population because of the money that they've spent in advance to buy these doses even before they're approved on the bet that one of them at least will be, where do you stand on that? because what we're hearing from dr. redfield and other scientists is, it could be the end of 2021 before the entire
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population is able to get two doses of some of these vaccines. they have to be refrigerated, minus 70 degrees, some of them it's a very complex process. >> yeah, absolutely. and so there are two timelines that i'm thinking about. one is, when will we first see the vaccine approved or get an emergency use authorization. and there, i would like the scientific data to drive that process and not timelines around an election. it's not helpful to have the president say he would like to have it before the election. i would like to have it today, but i want to have it when the science is ready the second timeline is when will most americans get vaccinated. on this one, dr. redfield is right, we could expect it probably second or third quarter of 2021, that means spring into summer of 2021 is when a majority of americans will get vaccinated if everything goes well obviously it could slip to later. it's going to be hard to get it done much earlier than that.
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>> how concerning is it that the cdc's credibility has so badly been undermined by that really false guidance that was put out on who should get tested and whether asymptomatic people didn't need to be tested, and then the morbidity reports, the weekly reports were also altered, or they attempted to alter them, by the political folks over at hhs? >> andrea, this is gut-wrenching for those of us in public health the cdc has always been the gold standard for scientific credibility. we all know, if the cdc says something, you listen to it. there are people in this administration who have been willing to take a flame torch to that credibility and really burn things down. it's shocking to me that obviously we knew when that advice came out about people not needing to get tested, we knew that was not scientifically
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credible, we knew there's no way cdc scientists signed off on that for bureaucrats to come up with those guidelines and then to say it's a cdc guideline i think is just -- i don't know what word to use about it. it's disappointing, it's shocking it's unacceptable. >> which makes us understand all the more why you saw a high level resignation and a blast from a former official from the task force thank you very much, dr. jha, it's good to see you meanwhile, trouble overseas with problems in europe and now israel facing its second coronavirus lockdown, just as the jewish new year, rosh hashanah, has begun there at sundown. usually this is a time for large family gatherings, packed synagogues starting today, israelis will be restricted on movement and gatherings for at least three weeks going through the high holiday season with yom kippur and succot just around the corner there you are in the beautiful
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old city of east jerusalem were people now are not going to be able to gather, to shop, to be outdoors this was earlier today, because israel is a number of hours ahead. it is already sundown there and people are having to be sheltered at home. meanwhile, president trump is questioning the fbi director after chris wray warned about russian interference in the election outside experts agree russia is at it again. details coming up. is is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. >> tech: at safelite, we're here for you with safe, convenient service. >> tech: we'll come right to you. ♪ upbeat music >> tech: you'll get a text when we're on our way. >> tech: before we arrive, just leave your keys on the dash. we'll replace your windshield with safe, no-contact service. ♪ upbeat music >> tech: and that's service you can trust
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president trump is attacking his own fbi director after chris wray warned a house committee that russia is still actively interfering in our elections >> the intelligence community's consensus is that russia continues to try to influence our elections. and i think the intelligence community has assessed this publicly, primarily to denigrate vice president biden and what the russians see as an anti-russian establishment >> thepresident tweeting, "but chris, you don't see any activity from china even though it is a far greater threat than russia, russia, russia they will both, plus others, be
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able to interfere in our 2020 election with our totally counterfeit," question mark," ballot scam. check it out." that's a mouthful. clint watts, former fbi special agency, author of "messing with the enemy: surviving in a social media world of hackers and fake news." clint, you're the very person i want to talk to about all of this first of all, from my reporting and my understanding of the intel community, chris wray was absolutely telling the truth, that russia is the active player in this year's election. china is aspirational and is doing other things, hacking, economic hacking but tell me if i'm wrong about that >> no, andrea, you're absolutely correct. and so is director wray. i thought his message was directly on point and he articulated it perfectly russia is running the same playbook that they did in 2016 and they're doing it in 2020 the one exception, which director wray noted, is there hasn't been the noted electoral
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system hacking or voter roll hacking that we saw in 2016. i have not seen public reporting of it and he did not articulate it yesterday secondly, the notion around china. china does influence with interference, but they tend to do that overseas look to places like taiwan, australia, new zealand china's efforts are denigrating the u.s. in the context of covid-19 they're focused on huawei and tiktok, the battle over big tech, and trade. across the board around the world china is doing all sorts of influence efforts but they have little interest, really, in the election in november, because it's not entirely clear what they would gain from a biden administration or a trump administration it really doesn't matter they don't have a bridge into the u.s. the way russia does russia very much sees trump's victory is in their long-term
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interests and a biden victory as negative to their interests. >> of course there's no way to tell what the motive here is but it just seems that since the change of leadership at the national intelligence with ratcliff now there who is such a loyalist to the president, with the guidance we're getting, the lack of briefings for the intel committees, the fact that this threat hearing was only held on the democratic house side, not on the senate side, and wasn't held in february, and didn't have the dni, the cia director, nsa, dea, all the agencies would be lined up once a year. that's when dan coats got into trouble by telling the truth and a month later he was fired it seems like everything is being twisted at the highest level of the intelligence community to satisfy the president. >> that's exactly right, andrea.
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radcliffe said everyone knows china is the bigger national security threat. but that's not the question of this hearing the question of the hearing is what do we see in terms of electoral interference and russia is ten times in scale. they are doing it overtly in their media. there's no reason to suppress this intelligence. you could actually just read overt russian state news and know that they want president trump reelected. you can also read overt russian state news and realize they're playing up conspiracies around mail-in balloting, electoral fraud. they're trying to essentially subvert our democracy by replaying narratives that come out of the white house back into the u.s. audience base that doesn't even go to the covert shutdowns we've seen. microsoft reporting hacking attempts from russia just this past week against the campaigns. you've seen social media accounts being taken down that come from the russian troll farm all of this is a replay of 2016
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and it's publicly available in 2020, i don't know why the intelligence committee would try to suppress that information >> then on antifa, chris wray got crosswise with the president specifically about an tatifa and whether or not that is the biggest threat in terms of the protests >> yeah, i thought he did a remarkable job in navigating that yesterday he said, yes, antifa is a movement, there areteantefa, bue of it is not terribly large. for political reasons the white house wants to convince a large part of the country that the protest movements have a central organization dr. wr director wray dispelled that yesterday. we can look to other groups,
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such as on the white supremacy end, what find groups that are more mobilized to violence and using social media to show up at protests antifa has been used selectively by the white house do they exist? yes, they do, but in terms of severity and numbers, it doesn't equal what we see on the right side of the spectrum >> thanks, clint watts, hope you join us again. early voting is starting in minnesota and virginia today already seeing long lines, six weeks before the election. we'll check in with those voters next you're clearly someone who takes care of yourself. so when it comes to screening for colon cancer, don't wait.
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in-person early voting, with measures in place like masks and social distancing to keep those already long lines of voters safe joining me now on the ground where they where been talking to some of those early voters, nbc's shaq brewster in minnesota and ali vitali in virginia shaq, it's an hour earlier in minnesota. how are people showing up? >> reporter: people are coming in we showed up here at 8:00 a.m. at the start or the open of polls. and there was already a line of people outside, people who said they might be going away for the winter and want to get it done i spoke to a lady who just was walking in just a couple of minutes ago and she told me she's been so stressed out about this election that she had to come today just to get it off her hands. listen to a couple of the conversations we had this morning. >> it's not many states where you get this much time to come in and vote early. why is it important for you to come this early and just get it over with? >> i just want to get in there and be able to tell my friends to get out there and vote.
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i just want to make sure i guess there. i vote always anyway, but this year is pretty important >> it feels, just to have it done, to say that i've done it, start telling my friends and other people, reminding them, go vote, go vote. >> reporter: and of course there are those pandemic considerations here in minnesota. officials are pushing people to vote either early in-person or vote early by mail to alleviate that pressure on the actual election day the benefit here in minnesota is, they have had no excuse absentee voting for some time. so the systems run smoothly, there's no concern i was talking to an election official today, they can start counting ballots -- or they can start processing ballots two weeks ahead of election day. so there is not that concern that there will be that delay in reporting of results, because this is something they have done before and they're ready to do again, andrea. >> thanks, shaq, for that early line from minnesota. but now in virginia, in
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alexandria, ali vitali, what's going on there >> reporter: we're seeing the exact same thing that shaq has been seeing. polls here opened at 8:00 a.m., and there has been a consistent line out the door. it's a small but mighty operation inside, because as the hundreds of people we've seen here today come out to vote, they're going up to a pretty small election office where there are two tables set up. there's cardboard dividers between them so voters can vote in privacy they fill out their paper bolt, then bring it to a machine where the ballot is screened what we've heard from voters is similar to what shaq has heard, that it was important to them that they get out to vote today and some of them are taking steps to make sure their friends and other voters in the community will have the same opportunity, be it now or sometime over the next 46 days listen >> i've never worried about people voting twice and i'm never worried about people
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cheating on an election by voting i want to make sure the vote is not suppressed >> that's what i worry about >> suzy has volunteered to drive people to the polls from the neighborhoods near us. >> reporter: and andrea, virginia is one of those places that is trying to make being able to vote as easy as possible yes, they have 45 days of early voting, trying to give people as much time as possible for them to vote early if they want to take that route. of course they can also vote on election day here in virginia, that's a state holiday. that alleviates at least one barrier for some people who might not have been otherwise able to vote on that day and then they've also made it easier to request absentee ballots. you used to have to have a pretty specific excuse to get those, now, no excuse necessary. 800,000 people have already requested their ballots. that is, of course, far greater than the number of absentee
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the city council in louisville, kentucky, voted for a nonconference resolution for his handling of the bjorn na taylor death and the protests that followed, this as police departments around the country are reconsidering their procedures a new frontline documentary looks at reform efforts in newark, new jersey, over thelast four years after the justice department said police in newark were disproportionately targeting minorities frontline historian returns to the city and speaks to the mayor. >> what people want is they don't want to be murdered running from a traffic stop or choked to death because they've got a loose cigarette or their neck is stood on because they have a $20 bill.
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the police just got guns. >> joining me now is pbs frontline correspondent and staff writer for the new yorker, jelani cubb. what has changed since you first visitet visited in 2016. >> when we first got there, the department of justice was very concerned because there were unconstitutional stops taking place, unconstitutional frisks, poor record-keeping, no system of complaints for citizens to register their concerns. and since then there's been substantial improvement in their department they still have a long way to go, but it's not the department we saw four years ago. there's extensive training about the legality about the kinds of stops that police can make there's a new mechanism for people, citizens to be able to
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register complaints without concern about being intimidated by police, which sometimes happens in the whole complaint process, and there seems to be an uptick in community faith or community trust of institutions and the police, which is very different from the place we saw four years ago. >> and what about community policing and some of the things we've seen in camden, new jersey, for instance, that's made such a difference is newark too large a city, too dense a city for that to take place? >> i think the term community policing means a lot of things to a lot of people. >> different things to different people, right. >> yeah. and so i talked to a police officer about it, and he said it means anything you want it to mean but when we're talking about the newark example, they are doing some really innovate" things that would fall under that rubric they have the newark community street team, which is basically
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community diplomacy and trying to defuse situations that might potentially turn violent before they ever require police intervention, and so it's something that is something adjacent to policing, to minimize the number of instances in which police are actually called and thereby minimizing the number of overall problems and overall amount of violence in the communities >> and naturally what about, you know, efforts in cities around the country? how would you assess the progress >> yeah. that's kind of a difficult situation because one of the things that we've seen in recent years is that the department of justice has very much moved away from providing oversight to these departments, and when they were providing oversight, it was a mixed bag. you had progress in some places that did not really make much progress, but now there are
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mechanisms to help departments transform from above and there's not a whole lot of progress on these issues. >> jelani, what about the message of law and order snit seems like there isn't as much impact as he had wanted. >> i don't know what is meant by that the reason i say that is she has on multiple occasions encouraged police to be more aggressive and use more force, notably telling police officers in brentwood, long island, that when putting someone in a police car not to shield their heads and so on, and encouraging the kind of climate in which we see things happen with george floyd. when we saw that the head of the police union in minnesota made the statement about thanking mr. trump for, quote/unquote, taking the handcuffs off of police,
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that was only about six months before we saw what happened to george floyd so i think leadership matters in these things, so we really can't have law and order unless we have accountability. >> jelani cobb, thank you so much you can watch frontline at pbs.org/fro pbs.org/frontline. today will be our last day where we're here for six decades we've been here, tim russert hosted ""meet the press,"" a cast of great, great journalism hooers. because of the pandemic, we can't say good-bye to one another, but we can host a virtual place. chuck todd is up next with ""meet the pres"mee
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