you push, just like the platform. brian fallon, who's got millions of dollars behind him, a key player in this court fight, thanks for jumping on the phone. thank you always at home for watching us on "the beat." right now it's "the reidout" with joy reid. ♪ tonight, donald trump and his party would like us to talk about the supreme court. as he and mitch mcconnell are moving full speed ahead in their attempt to steal the seat vacated by the death of justice ruth bader ginsburg. and we're going to get to the court issues later in the show. but the most urgent crisis, the thing he doesn't want us to talk about is that more than 200,000 americans are dead due to covid, and he is still lying to us about it. >> you know, in some states,

thousands of people, nobody young, below the age of 18, like nobody, they have a strong immune system, who knows. [ applause ] it affects virtually nobody. >> that is what he said last night in ohio. because, apparently, the more than 6.9 million cases in this country and the more than 201,000 lives lost belonged to nobody. we now know from the reporting in bob woodward's new book that trump was warned on january 28th of this year of the looming scope of this crisis. and in a little while, woodward will join me. that january 28th warning is something olivia troye who worked closely with mike pence on the coronavirus task force as re recently as a month ago discussed in her first television interview with my colleague andrea mitchell. >> we certainly had a task force meeting and discussion where we

had this conversation that this was going to be big. >> that early, january 28th? >> late january, we knew. >> yet, the president was saying a week later it's going to disappear. >> it was frightening. you know, when you're the president, words matter. >> but each as people around him and experts stress that words do matter, donald trump continues to spread misinformation as he did last night. and as he almost certainly will again this hour as he's holding yet another one of his super spreader rallies, this time in pennsylvania. it shouldn't be surprising because trump is not looking out for americans. >> he was really focused on public image, messaging, and it was really more about, you know, his personal agenda than really the agenda that the task force had at hand, which was how are

we going to save and protect americans. >> meanwhile, cases continue to climb with many states setting records in recent weeks. wisconsin a key battleground, has seen an alarming surge. so much so that the state's governor has declared a new public health emergency and extended a mask mandate through late november. and experts continue to warn the country is headed in the wrong direction. a leading model cited by the administration now projects that the death toll in this country will exceed 378,000 people. take that in for a second. 378,000 by the beginning of next year. joining me now is doctor of internal medicine physician and charlie sykes. the nobodies that have died that donald trump sees as nobody, nobody really has died, nobody. nobody young, especially yahoo

sports has a headline about the family of a college football player who was only 20 years old. his name was jamain stephens jr. saying he died of a blood clot in his heart he contracted after having covid. and his mom spoke about that because her son was actually somebody. here she is talking about him. >> leave the science to the scientists. my son was 20 years old, an athlete and had just had a physical ten days prior to ending up in the hospital where he had a clean bill of health. so, can't tell me that it doesn't impact young people. it doesn't drim nate by age or race or gender. because i am sitting here right now without my son.

>> you know, dr. roy, this young man was a college student. he goes to college and in the interview with amon, mrs. allen, kelly allen talked about her son's roommate had a cough, and that was the start of it. and soon she lost him. he's gone. he was 20, he was a kid. can you just walk through for us as a doctor the irresponsibility of donald trump getting up in front of a crowd? they don't have masks on him. they put some people behind him with masks and saying almost nobody dies of it who's young. >> well, joy, this past week certainly has been an eventful one, hasn't it? it's a week where we surpassed the somber milestone of over 200,000 lives lost from a largely preventible disease,

200,000 last i checked is not nobody. ms. allen's son is not nobody. 20 years old, and by the way, just yesterday, we lost -- yesterday the day before, we lost dr. adeline fagan in training who died from a complication of coronavirus, a hemorrhagic stroke. she was 28 years old. not nobody, and certainly not just the elderly, not to diminish that of course either. this illness, this coronavirus pandemic, joy, we have talked about this for months now, largely preventible. at this point in the game, it's now september. we have been talking about this since march, april. at this point in the game, it's not the virus that's killing people, it's colossal failure in leadership. as you know, joy, i'm right now in canada visiting family. i'm quarantining as required by

the canadian government. canada just reported last week for the first time in six months, zero deaths from coronavirus. and maybe about 500 cases per day. in stark contrast, united states is still averaging about a thousand deaths per day and 40,000 new cases every day. why do you think there is that difference? canadians and americans aren't that different biologically. the officials defer to their health officials and they advise masks. they advise distancing. these simple but effective public health measures that are keeping canadians safe. the united states simply is not doing that. >> yeah, absolutely. and you think about -- let me show you the will not governor of ohio, a state whose republican governor has at least tried to take covid seriously. here's his lieutenant governor getting booed for suggesting to

a trump crowd that they put on masks to save lives. >> but if you're going to a grocery store where you got to wear one -- [ crowd booing ] >> hang on. just listen up. all right, i get it! >> you know, charlie, this is why sober and serious people are starting to refer to their republican party as a death cult because they're booing the idea of saving their own lives and other people's lives. this young man was healthy and young and died. but even if he had been a senior citizen, senior citizens are grandmas are not nobody, our grandpas are not nobody. our elders are not nobody. so, essentially, is donald trump saying don't worry about, it's only old people who are going to die, that's nobody. because we're going to get to 378,000 people. are republican voters really writing those people off as

nobody? >> first of all, i want to say that i'm really glad you started the show with this because this really is a tragic milestone. what we're seeing right now in that videotape is an example of one of the most reckless moments in this reckless presidency. it's not just that donald trump has downplayed the seriousness of this, because we knew that. in realtime, though, what he's doing is instead of modeling empathy, he's modeling indifference. he's encouraging this politicization of masks and social distancing. and he's become a vector of disinformation. and i think that all of those things, not only do you look back on the epic failure of this country, which now has 21% of the worldwide coronavirus deaths even though we only have 4% of the population. that number could double by the end of the year. so we've seen the failure. but what you are seeing right now is a president who instead

of providing leadership is almost treating this like a joke. this is not normal. this is not politics. this is a failure -- this is not just a failure of political leadership. this is a failure of humanity. i think we do need to step back and imagine how this is going to look to historians who say how did more than 400,000 americans die? what were you saying, what were you thinking? and to have crowds show up and boo someone for suggesting to wear a mask, even a trump mask, when we know that that's the one way of mitigating this. it's not nobody. there are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of americans who will die who do not have to die. it could be mitigated by leadership. it could be mitigated by the masks, by the social distancing. and you're seeing the president who clearly is not looking out for us because he is pushing his own agenda as olivia said in the earlier segment. >> i mean, and so you do have --

cindy mccain is going to come out by the way. she is going to formally endorse joe biden tomorrow. so you're starting to see republicans who are, you know, what is your fellow member of the never trump republicans. so you have a lot of republicans who are trying to come out and help joe biden. donald trump is still leading a group of voters, tens of millions of them who now know that he said that they themselves are disgusting people that he doesn't want to have to go near, and he's glad he doesn't have to shake hands with them, they're disgusting. they're like, yes, sir, thank you, may i have some more? so, i wonder how we get our public health back even if joe biden gets back in office because they're still going to be in target coughing on things. >> you know, i do worry about that. i do worry about the attack on science, the attack on truth, the way it will spread this sort of disinformation and the

suspicion. but you mentioned cindy mccain. something rather remarkable is happening. you are seeing members of the trump administration itself who are coming out and saying we are in the room, this is what we saw, trying to warn the american public. whatever you think about this man, this is who he is. so, whatever happens on november 3rd, we will have been warned, we will have been told. one after another, you're having other republican leaders like cindy mccain who are saying, look, we may agree with him on policy, but we don't share his values and this is not a normal election. and i think that you're seeing their response. >> and last question to you, dr. roy. people don't want to take this vaccine. the numbers are pretty stark. 39% are likely to take it. i'm sorry, 47%. are you concerned that even after trump is gone, people will be so afraid of taking a vaccine he had anything to do with that people won't be willing to take it? >> yeah.

there is a legitimate concern, joy, that's in some ways a lot of damage has already been done by the narrative, by the false messaging, by the misleading messaging. and when the president says he just wanted to downplay it, let's call a spade a spade. it's not downplaying, it's deliberately lying and misleading the public. this matters to doctors and health care professionals when you're talking about life and death. so let's be very clear. >> absolutely. >> he knew what he knew when he knew it. and if we disseminated this information about preventive health measures months ago, we're talking 150,000 lives easily saved. regarding the vaccine, again, the concern right now, joy, is that none of the companies have completed phase three trials even if, say -- some of the conservative estimates, even then, yes, they'll have tested a larger number of people, but we just don't know how effective or what the adverse events will be. we'll have a better idea in

december, but, remember, historically, every vaccine takes 15, 20 years. so for us to just ram this through less than a year, i'm not surprised by the public's skepticism, to be honest, joy. >> yeah. they're wise. it's wise skepticism. thank you, my friends. really appreciate it. up next on "the reidout," speaking of what did he know and when did he know it, bob woodward joins me on how trump, to this very day, continues to deny that covid is a threat, even though he admitted to woodward that he knows better as he spreads disease and misinformation at his rallies. and the republican supreme court hypocrisy. hey, democrats, don't get sad, get mad and make them pay in november and beyond. senator doug jones of alabama joins me. plus, the growing threat in pennsylvania that as many as 100,000 mail-in ballots will not be counted and what could be done to fight back. back with more of "the reidout" after this.

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in bob woodward's new book "rage," we get a behind the scenes portrait of a disorganized administration dictated by the erratic impulses of an easily manipulated man. according to woodward, when trump was pressing china for more access, xi jinping reportedly told trump, quote, i asked the united states and your officials not to take actions that would create further panic. interestingly enough, that is a line that trump parrots to this day to the american people when explaining why he hides the truth about the coronavirus. xi jinping also reportedly helped fuel trump's bogus claim that warmer weather would play a role in minimizing the threat of the virus. as the death toll continued to climb, trump told woodward i don't take responsibility for this, i have nothing to do with this, i take responsibility for solving the problem but i don't take responsibility for this. no, we did a good job. for more i'm joined now by bob woodward, associate editor of

"the washington post" and author of "rage." i have the book right here. it is a disturbing and scintillating portrait of this president, bob. but let's talk about coronavirus first. the extent to which donald trump is taking his talking points from china i think will shock a lot of people. tell us a little bit more about that. >> well, it surprised me, but what's most shocking, joy, is that he's running around talking about giving himself -- i think yesterday or a couple of days earlier an a-plus for his handling of this in 200,000 people in our country have died. i'm embarrassed for him, i'm embarrassed for the country that somebody could run around and say things like that and

apparently believe them again. we don't know, he abrogated his responsibility as the leader in two ways. in an early interview i did with him, i asked what's the job of the president. and he said the job of the president is to protect the people. on that front, he's failed miserably. second job of the president is to tell the truth. and he was warned in a key meeting that will be written about in the history books for decades, i believe, january 28th, when his national security team told him in a top-secret meeting that as robert o'brien, the national security adviser said, the virus is going to be the biggest national security threat to your presidency, the deputy matt pottinger laid out

why he had contacts in china. he knew they were lying and covering up. and this was going to be like the 1918 spanish flu pandemic. trump knew that, and he did not share that information in any form with the american people. it is -- i've never seen a president who would be so indifferent to his responsibility to take care and to warn us when something dangerous is coming. >> you know, and donald trump has tried to write off your book, even though there are tapes of what he said, for not going forward with the information that you had, which is ridiculous, you're a journalist, your job is to do journalism. but let me ask you a question, because were you tempted as you

heard this information, you know, and you're alarmed by hearing, oh, he knows it's airborne, that word sticks in my head. did you think to yourself maybe i just need to write a story about this? forget the book, let me just write a story and put it in "the washington post"? >> no, because i would do this. i have public safety, public health responsibility as a journalist if i know something. first of all, i didn't know whether it was true, and it was very clear in the context of february he was talking about china, dr. fauci at the end of february was saying everyone can go to the gym and the movies and the malls, and it was only in march when it exploded, there's no story for me to do because everyone knows it's airborne and it's deadly. i did not learn until may about the january 28th key meeting when he was told that then i

realized that's what he was talking about, and i asked him about that, and that's when he said, oh, i like to play it down, i like to play it down. so he doesn't want to create panic. now that is absurd. if you know the people you are leading, one of the great things in our country is when people are told the truth, they will rally, they will gather together. look what happened after 9/11. george w. bush mobilized the country, the congress, the world about the terrorist attacks and organized a response. and trump just buried his head in the sand on this. i've done this for almost 50 years reporting on presidents. and it's one of the most

outrageous acts of negligence and indifference and, as i quote tony fauci, the head of infectious diseases in our country, that in these meetings with trump, the only thing trump was interested in was re-election. >> let me ask you this. a lot of what you wrote about with lots of foreign influences, people he's very suggestible to, dictators like kim jong-un, like xi jinping, like vladimir putin. but there are also people in our country who are constantly trying to sort of dictate to him, sort of get him to do what they want. you have jared kushner who is saying that it's an 80/20. so that's one bucket of potential influence that the

scene of him in his high chair is unforgettable. but there's also lindsey graham who is a curious figure that you write a lot about. i'm going to read a little bit of this. senator lindsey graham. and he said, when it comes to supreme court nominees, he said we weeded out some real whackos. the judiciary is going to get far more ideological. it's only a matter of time until the senate becomes the house. because we don't need any support from the other side. you also have him in the book try to influence trump in saying, hey, you should do more on covid because it's going to be a disaster for you politically. and trump doesn't listen to him. lindsey graham's currency is his influence, supposedly with trump. does he have any? >> he has some. and he offers some very rational, reasonable ideas. he said you're going to lose this election if you don't start doing something for the american people, by the way. one of the interesting multiple

discussions with trump i had was do you understand black people and their anger and pain? and when i laid this out to him, the recording of this is available. i don't know that you've heard it, joy. but, i mean, here, look at this. he then says to me, oh, bob, you drank the kool-aid, listen to you. when i'm simply asking him about, do you understand what "black lives matter" people, what black people in this country feel? and particularly from the position he has of white privilege. he mocked me in a way that i, quite frankly, was shocked that anyone, let alone the president, was so out of tune about what was happening in this country.

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back the house in the 2018 midterm elections. so now the empire strikes back with republicans leaning all the way into their hypocrisy to force a third trump nominee onto the supreme court before the election. well, allow me to remind you of newton's third law of physics. every action has an equal and opposite reaction. and the most natural reaction in politics is payback. president obama and democrats victory in passing the affordable care act fueled the rise of the teaparty movement which switched from opposing mortgage relief to zeroing in on health care, even inventing death panels and producing a republican wave election in 2010. they couldn't stop obamacare from happening. so 2010 was about punishing every member of congress who voted for it, payback. this scotus seat will produce a 6-3 court that will very likely set back abortion rites and very

likely obliterate health care for tens of millions of people, even as trump keeps lying to his supporters that it's a super secret better health care plan. they just don't believe that people who have pre-existing conditions or can't afford to have health care should have it. and squint right past the graze of 200,000 fellow americans. as sickening as their gleefulness is, they're not even going to let ruth bader ginsburg be buried before grabbing and snatching for her seat. payback, though, is a fundamental rule of politics. action, reaction. and come november, the jedi returned. and joining me now is senator doug jones of alabama. and, you know, senator jones, i feel like democrats have a sort of learned helplessness problem where republicans do a terrible thing, a thing that's normal for them, the thing they do, they're a hypocrite on this or that issue and democrats go, oh, my

god, we're going to lose. but democrats right now are in the winning position in a number of senate seats. i could go through them. they're ahead in georgia -- or tied in georgia, tied in texas, mark kelly is ahead in arizona. the north carolina seat, they're ahead of thom tillis. so democrats are actually in a strong position. can you speak from somebody who, as somebody who is in a vulnerable seat, what should democrats be doing right now? >> i think democrats should be continuing to speak out about the hypocrisy that we're seeing with this judicial selection. you know, joy, the job of the senate is to provide for the national defense. it's to do those things that are in article i of the constitution, not article ii. we are not doing our job. democrats like me and others have been saying, please, let's get our coronavirus package together. people are hurting out there. the elections need security. we need cities and counties need help. we're skipping over that. there was no urgency from

senator mcconnell so we're going to skip over that. we've been asking for the ndaa appropriations which is what we should be doing. we're going to jump all over all of that because there's an urgency for the supreme court nomination but there's not an urgency for us to do our constitutional article i clearl height of hypocrisy for mitch mcconnell. >> yeah, absolutely. get a stimulus bill done. do that, mcconnell. can i play you something that hillary clinton said to me earlier? i taped an interview with her for the texas tribune festival. this is what she said, which i think put it as well as you just did in really succinct terms this fight. take a listen. >> they're also making it increasingly difficult for people who had that virus who are still suffering from some kind of exhaustion, i've heard, some heart problems, i've heard, brain fogginess, it will now be a pre-existing condition.

this could not be more diabolical. and i think that democrats need to be absolutely clear at the federal level and this fight with mcconnell and trump, but also in the senate races that any vote for any republican is literally a vote to cost you money. >> is that a part of your messaging to democratic voters in alabama that taking that supreme court seat is about getting rid of health care and not letting people who have covid who then have a pre-existing condition have health care? >> well, joy, look, here's the thing in alabama. i don't talk to just democratic voters. i talk to all voters in alabama. health care is a huge part in alabama. alabama did not expand medicare years ago. there were 300,000 alabamans that should've gotten health care that were not getting health care, working people of alabama. so we talk about health care in that way. we talk about it being

jeopardized not just from the supreme court. health care in this country is being jeopardized by this administration and by mitch mcconnell consistently. they've never had a plan to do this. now the president is coming up, as i understand it, with a few executive orders that'll have constitutional -- it's dubious at best whether he can do those things. they're just political ploys to try to get back into the game of trying to talk about health care when it's something that we've been talking about, i've been talking about since i ran in 2017. >> yeah. let's really quickly. we know -- most people who know you know you because you did prosecute those clansmen who blew up that baptist church. god bless you for that. but i want to play you a september 1 call that tubberman had with a rotary club in which he was asked whether he supported an extension of the voting rights act. here is his answer.

>> do you support extension of the voting rights act? >> oh, yeah. the thing about the voting rights act is, um -- you know, there's a lot of different things you can look at it as. it's like education. it's got to have a structure. now, for some reason, we look at things to change to think we're going to make it better but we better do a lot of work on it before we make it change. [ laughter ] >> senator, do you have any idea what he's talking about? >> well, there's another part of that clip where he's talking about it having to be secure and the government running. look, the fact is that he doesn't -- is not prepared to be a senate candidate much less a senator. alabama was the birthplace of the voting rights act in selma and john lewis and all that we went through and all of the

history that came back to life this summer with john lewis' passing. to not have a clear what the voting rights act is, is unconscionable. it's just be that he wouldn't just have a basic, in-depth knowledge about that. but that's what we're seeing over and over can tommy tuberville. he gives a half-time pep talk to his team. that's it. he doesn't get down in the weeds. he just gives that pep talk. >> senator doug jones, thank you for your time. this time you're not facing an opponent who would have trouble getting into hot topic. but you are still facing somebody who is a very interesting figure. very good luck in your race. >> joy, thanks for having me. >> of course. thank you very much. and up next, battleground pennsylvania and the republican effort to count as few ballots as possible. that story straight ahead. stay with us. knowing who we are is hard. it's hard. eliminate who you are not first, and you're going to find yourself where you need to be.

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it's national voter registration day. but an elections official in pennsylvania is warning that a recent court ruling could lead to electoral chaos. pennsylvania voters are required to seal their mail-in ballots in a secrecy envelope. and the state supreme court ruled that ballots received without that envelope will be thrown out in. a letter to lawmakers yesterday, philadelphia commissioner's chair said that this decision has set pennsylvania up to be the subject of significant post-election controversy, the likes of which we have not seen since florida in 2000. she knows that more than 100,000 votes statewide could not be counted all because of a minor technicality. joining me now is former acting solicitor general and msnbc legal analyst. the pennsylvania republican party wants to appeal this case all the way to the supreme

court, which is a scary prospect. what do you make of their chances? >> there's two different parts of the pennsylvania supreme court's decision. one part is about the so-called naked ballot issue which sounds salacious but it's just about a privacy envelope. privacy envelopes are nice before you seal up your ballot and put it in the mail. it'd be nice to have them. it's a little bizarre to think that it's somehow a requirement for voting. but that is what the pennsylvania supreme court reading its state law found. so the republicans had gone to the supreme court and said throw out -- the pennsylvania supreme court said throw out all of these votes when they come in if they don't have this envelope. and that could have a pretty massive impact. there's at least one estimate i saw that in 2019 over 6% of ballots were missing this privacy envelope. and when you think that in 2016 the presidential election -- president trump had 44,000 more

votes than the challenger, just under 1%, this could be a really big deal. so, this piece -- >> absolutely. >> i was going to say this part's about state law. and i think it's up to the pennsylvania legislature to right now really correct the record and make sure that all these votes are not thrown out just because of a technicality. republicans and democrats should certainly agree on that. your other question was about the other part of the pennsylvania decision. because the other part said that if you have a mail-in ballot, that they extended out the time when the ballot had to be received by the election authorities. so that was seen as helping democrats, that ruling, and that's why the republicans tonight have announced they're going to try and appeal that to the u.s. supreme court. i think that's probably going nowhere. it seems like a pretty bogus challenge. but good luck. >> yeah.

well, at this point i think there's so little trust in what the supreme court will do now. so we hope that you will be right on that. and just to underscore how important it is, joe biden is leading donald trump by just four points. it's a 49-45 race. the justice department has done a thing that is pretty alarming and seems, i don't know, how it could be legal. they decided to deem new york city, portland, and seattle, three american cities, to be anarchist jurisdictions ordering a review of federal funding to locales where violence has occurred during protests. the justice department has cited city council's voting to cut police funding. the refusal to prosecute protesters on charges like disorderly conduct and the rejection of federal intervention as reasons why they can designate these anarchist jurisdictions. whuh? what is happening here? >> this is absurd both factually and legally. the idea that the attorney

general of the united states is furthering this silly narrative about our cities calling them anarchist is preposterous to me. you know, i would expect the attorney general and president to be a cheer leader for america instead of trying to tear it down, but that's what they seem to be bent on doing. and then, legally, what they're trying to do is say if you're a so-called anarchist city, we get to cut off federal funds to these cities, you know, including for health care, policing, all kinds of things. that is flatly unconstitutional every day of the week. they tried that with sanctuary cities and i had the privilege of representing the city of philadelphia and challenging that. and, honestly, that wasn't a hard case to argue. the court of appeals with conservative judges on it said barr and trump acted unconstitutionally. they haven't learned their

lesson. they're doing the same thing again. and the most telling fact is in their 1,500-word memo in trying to justify this thing, not a single legal citation, not one. that tells you all you need to >> in like new york, where -- yeah, i was just there a couple weeks ago. it's fine. neal, thank you very much. appreciate your expertise. and a quick reminder, on this national voter registration day, go to the website to find out how to get registered and vote on your state. up next, sunny hostin is here to talk about trump's attacks on kamala harris and her new book about growing up and finding her place between two worlds. we'll be right back. between twos we'll be right back. ♪ here? nah. ♪ here? nope. ♪

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president, potentially going to be president. and that's why they're pushing so hard, because they know he's going to be out very soon, and she's going the take over, and she's the furthest left person of anybody. we're going to have a woman president some day, but you know what? it can't be kamala. >> welcome to donald trump's latest tactics, since he hasn't been able to land an effective attack on joe biden, he's increased his focus on senator kamala harris. good luck with that. joining me now is sunny hostin, host of "the view" and author of "i am these troops, a memoir of living justice and living between worlds." i am in the midst of your book and enjoying it. i always love when people put pictures in. i go right to those first before i start reading. >> i do, too. >> let's talk about this -- right? you have to do it. i love seeing people's pictures, especially your parents and everything. but my friend, let's talk about kamala harris. because you were part of an

op-ed that in a lot of ways i think a lot of people feel was responsible for kamala harris being on the ticket and saying that there were three things that joe biden needed to do in order to win black women voters in a big way. they needed a black woman as vice president, a black female supreme court justice, something he promised to do, and a comprehensive black agenda. on number three, what do you think that that agenda needs to have in it? and also about senator harris, what do you make of trump's attacks on her? >> well, you know, it's interesting. let me answer your second question. it's interesting about the attacks, because remember that there were a group of women who also wrote a letter to the media, and i think it was entitled "we have her back." and they warned that these sort of sexist and racial tropes would be used and weaponized if

a woman of color was chosen as his vice presidential candidate. and it's come true. those racial and sexist tropes are those that have been used against you, and i'm sure used against you, joy. we're talking about the angry black woman trope. trump also reached into his birther playbook and said kamala may not be qualified to run for president, even though she was born in oakland, california, which didn't make sense to me. he also -- i think recently he said that kamala wasn't very 1345 smart. not as smart as elizabeth warren. so that goes to another trope. i think he's doing it because he's losing in the polls to joe biden. nothing is sticking to joe biden. and so why not try to reach into that bigot playbook and attack kamala harris. but we knew this was going to happen. i don't think it's effective. i think she's such a strong candidate. people are supporting kamala

harris, and so that isn't going to be effective. and i think it shows his true desperation. in terms of a black agenda, joe biden has put forth a black agenda. and it has an economic plan, which i think is truly very important. it has a plan for police reform, which is extremely, extremely important to the community. and i think with those two prongs addressed, i believe that he is the biden/harris administration would be headed in the right direction for true diversity and equality in our country. which is, i think, just so sorely needed and people are protesting in the streets and looking for that, looking for that at this time in our country. >> well, we know we're looking to see a breonna taylor decision on that case tomorrow. i want to talk a bit about your book. you talk about growing up in

these two worlds as the daughter of a pouerto rican and black parents and how that played out. when you look at the diversity in this country, the i merging multiracial majority, how do people like you sffit into that and what is your messaging? what do you want to get across in this book? >> my parents got married in 1968. i realized that the loving decision allowing interracial relationships came down in 1967. so i was a unicorn when i was growing up. there weren't a lot of people that looked like me. there weren't a lot of families that looked like our family. but that has changed. i think that we are really emblematic of what america's promise is, that we are more alike than dissimilar. that this is a country that should be welcoming to everyone. that there is really true equality for all people coming. and my story is one of, of

course, a lot of obstacles, discrimination, you know, just a lot of things that i've gone through. but it's a story of hope. it's a story of aspiration. >> yeah. >> and i hope that i've been able to -- leverage my platform and power that comes with that. >> absolutely. we appreciate you -- sunny, we love you, i'm sorry, i'm going into chris hayes' hour, so i have to stop. everyone will be reading this. thank you very much, sunny. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- make them pay. the political price the republican supreme court power grab, and how to make sure they pay for it. tonight, david plouffe and barbara boxer on how democrats can expand the math. making sure the votes are counted and concerns t