philadelphia in response to the announcement today in louisville, kentucky, there are no charges in the officers for the killing of breonna taylor. i also want to mention that senator whitehouse is on "the beat" tomorrow. thanks for joining us. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. ♪ breonna taylor was last alive. 195 days since three louisville police officers entered her apartment after midnight, executing a warrant related to taylor's ex-boyfriend and killing her, then failing to offer aid as she coughed and struggled to breathe in her last moments of life. after 1935 day5 days, we learne whether justice for breonna taylor will finally be served.

you know what we got? nothing near justice. >> the use of force by mattingly and cosgrove was justified to protect themselves. this jus tification bars us fro pursuing criminal charges in ms. breonna taylor's death. >> justice was not the only thing missing. the kentucky grand jury decision had almost nothing to do with breonna taylor. the 26-year-old first responder and aspiring nurse who was stolen from her family and friends and her community, we didn't even hear her name in the decision today. what we heard instead were the initials of other residents of her apartment building, none of which were b.t. for breonna taylor. and the reason we heard those other initials was that the grand jury indicted one of the three officers. now former detective brett hankison on three counts of wanton endangerment for recklessly shooting into the neighbor's apartments, but not breonna taylor's. the other two officers face no

charges at all, meaning none of the three officers will be charged for the actual killing of breonna taylor or for wantonly endangering her or her boyfriend, kenneth walker, who were the targets of the barrage of 20 bullets, 6 of which killed breonna taylor. meaning the grand jury did not find any of these officer s libl for killing breonna taylor. daniel cameron is a protege of senator mitch mcconnell, called breonna taylor's death a tragedy. as if her death was akin to a drowning or accident or being hit by a bus. but then proceeded to make a highly politicized speech that included calling out those who dare to use their platforms to seek justice for breonna taylor. >> there will be celebrities,

influencers and activists who, having never lived in kentucky, will try to tell us how to feel, suggesting they understand the facts of this case and that they know our community and the commonwealth better than we do. but they don't. let's not give in to their attempts to influence our thinking or capture our emotions. >> you know, i said it earlier today and i'll say it again, today's ruling states that in legal terms, breonna taylor's life did not matter. that message was heard loud and clear. and not just by black kentuckians, but by black americans everywhere. that according to the theory of the law that was voiced today by attorney general cameron, police have the perfect right to bust into your home in the middle of the night if you have any association that police are looking for, even if they've already found them. and they can shoot and kill you in your bed and walk away with no legal repercussions.

the only problem that these police will have is if they don't aim properly at you and endanger your neighbors. about that right to bear arms and defend yourself in your home, that conservative rallying cry, second amendment. oh, that doesn't apply to black people, sorry. the rule of law, that doesn't apply to black people. justice? that doesn't apply to black people. that was the message we heard from the state of kentucky today. nbc news correspondent cal perry joins me from louisville. louisville, i'm sure, is reacting to this, cal. what are you seeing and what are the reactions that you're seeing? >> reporter: i think people were surprised that they were surprised. i think a lot of people probably expected this but were still shocked for the first hour. everybody just kind of stood around and looked at each other. if sergeant hankison had shot strait and hit breonna taylor with a bullet, he might have been charged with murder. so what we are hearing from protesters whom we are looking at now is that there was more value put on that apartment building than on breonna taylor's life. as you said, 195 days since

breonna taylor was alive. we have seen protests here every day. i want to head to you what her family has said. again, this national movement of say her name, breonna taylor, it matters nationally. what her family said is this. the decision was outrageous and offensive to breonna taylor's memory. a documented and clear coverup in the death of an unarmed black woman who was posing no threat. add to that what her sister put on instagram. sister, you were failed by a system you worked hard for. i am so sorry. i love you so, so, much. breonna taylor was a frontline health worker, that she was killed in her apartment after police went into her apartment on a no-knock raid. there have been changes since that raid. in the settlement with the family, we now know that you have to have a supervisor sign onto a warrant. there are so many questions about the warrant and what led police to her door. the fbi is looking into that. there is now this question, and i think the entire city wants to

know and can't find an explanation, where were the police not wearing body cameras? there were no body cameras on those officers that went into that apartment tha. that is allegedly going to change. there is a change how police will put evidence into lockers. ironic that in a civil suit, we see more progress than we did in a criminal proceeding, joy. >> yeah, that's pretty amazing, cal, that the simple case, you know, that was brought by attorney crump actually did more to change the system of justice in kentucky than the attorney general, who did nothing but give a speech today. pretty incredible. cal perry, thank you very much. joining me now is the reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network. elisia garza, principal for the black to the future action fund, and who is on the cover of

"time" magazine, as one of the most 100 influential people of 2020. and paul butler, former federal prosecutor and author of "chokehold, policing black men." paul, i was on earlier with ari melber as we were all watching and rev sharpton was on, as well. we were watching this come through, and what i was focussing on and taking notes on was the indictment itself. because they go through and say wanton endangerment in the first degree, which sounds like a lot, except that it's minor charge. but they talk about wantonly endangering the occupants of apartments with the initials c.e., c.n. and z.f., definitely not b.t., which is breonna taylor. your thoughts on this indictment, which is an indictment of endangering the neighbors, and has nothing to do with breonna taylor. >> that's right, joy. the two police officers who shot and breonna taylor and killed her are not charged with any crime. the police officer who did not

shoot breonna taylor is charged with a low level offense for putting her neighbors at risk. so many of the problems in policing are systemic and require structural change. this is not a systemic problem. murder and manslaughter are already crimes in kentucky. so here we have three bad apple cops where the kentucky attorney general has now found to be above the law. >> and just the note that hankison was fired, not for the killing of breonna taylor and for the outrage that it's causing for costing the city $6 million because of his stupidity and just shooting into somebody's apartment, he was fired because the bullets went into the neighbor's apartment, that's why he was fired. it wasn't about her. but what you have here, and i want you to walk through this, paul. we have breonna taylor's boyfriend, who was also a victim here. he was shot at because he tried to defend breonna taylor and defend that apartment for his trouble he got shot at. but these trained officers

didn't even hit him. they didn't hit him with one bullet. these trained police officers only shot her that's weird. and didn't render her aid. you have breonna taylor's ex, who was the person that was the subject of this, that was already in custody. they go into an apartment where a no-knock warrant, but they're saying they announced themselves. how is that a no -knock warrant. then they say you, ex-boyfriend, will say that breonna taylor was part of a crime we'll let you off. he said i'm not doing that. this does not strike me as a normal case, because none of it makes sense. how can it be possible that a no-knock warrant includes them saying they knocked. and how can it be that these officers are serving a search warrant at 12:30 in the morning, is that normal? and why did these officers

coalesce around a story where they said we did the right and ethical things. this is what one of the three officers sent to his fellows, jonathan mattingly in an email. what was right andeth call, not rendering aid, the boyfriend being charged with a crime if he didn't implicate himself. something stinks here, paul. >> indeed it does. a jury needed to decide this case. but instead the attorney general acting as judge and jury, and everything but a prosecutor. the reason that cases go to trial is that there are two sides. here the attorney general abandoned his responsibility to the citizens, and just bought the police version. he believed the one witness who said that the cops identified themselves before they burst into breonna taylor's house, and he ignored the 11 witness whols said th -- witnesses who said the cops didn't identify themselves. he ignored the coverup where they didn't use their body cameras and submitted a police

report full of lies. so we know that the attorney general was a conservative republican who spoke at the gop convention, and this stinks of politics. this decision is consistent with president trump's talking points about protecting the police and blue lives matter, but it's inconsistent with justice. >> you have to always look at party. party is the religion now in america. especially for republicans. don't look at the fact that this guy is black. he is a republican through and through. he spoke at the rnc. he told you who he was. believe him. this guy did manage to get out a few words about celebrities and he's upset that people are going to speak out on behalf of breonna taylor. he finds that offensive. maybe he's mad that tina knowles owned him on doing his marriage thing and having mitch mcconnell as his guest of honor and enjoying his life while breonna taylor lay cold in the ground, maybe he's still mad at tina knowles, but what do you make of his performance today and what do you think is going to happen

in terms of the activism around breonna taylor going from here? >> well, joy, you said it best. i mean, this was an atrocity. and i watched that press conference this morning, and noticed that there were more words and more time given to activist celebrities and influencers who don't know what's happening in kentucky than there was giving the actual facts of what was happening in this case. giving condolences to this family that just last week was paid out $12 million in a civil suit because it acknowledges that there was wrongdoing here. and so, again, i think what i saw this morning was a bull connor speech in 2020. and you're right, unfortunately, it was being given by a black prosecutor. i think what's important for us to understand here is that what actually ends up happening is that the misdoings and the

actions of these officers get sloughed off onto communities. communities like this end up paying millions and millions in taxpayer dollars for police misconduct and police violence and police abuse. unfortunately, i think what we're seeing here is a case of collusion. this is what -- this is how police officers are not held accountable when they commit crimes in our communities. and what we found in the black census is that that is what black communities want to see. police officers being held accountable when they commit crimes in our communities. and so to answer your question about what is going to happen in this -- in terms of activism, people are going to keep fighting. people are going to keep organizing, and they're going to keep pushing. we saw something very typical this morning in the press conference where there was a task force announced to study the problem. and quite frankly, my mentors have always said that task

forces are the places where accountability and good ideas go to die. and so that is actually what needs to happen here. and it's deeply unfortunate. >> that seems like cameron's goal here is to let it die. just to point out in 2019, more than $300 million in taxpayer money was used to cover financial settlement from 2005 to 2018. of the 98 police officers arrested, three of them, only three were convicted of murder. and 35 of those officers who were convicted were convicted of a lesser offense like manslaughter and negligent manslaughter instead of murder. so it's more likely that cities, rev, are just going to pay out. they would rather just pay with taxpayer money than do justice. and you have the civil settlement actually being the only way that there's been any change in policing. cameron hasn't done a damn thing honestly. you've been doing this a long time, rev. your thoughts? >> my thoughts? first of all, one of the reasons that we are saying that you need

to remove the immunity from police is that police themselves are subject to some of these lawsuits. we could lose the house, we could lose the car. don't go out there and act in a way that is aggressive and against the law, which we were able to get passed in new york state finally. but we are still pursuing that nationally. and the thing that was offensive to me is that the whole rallying cry, thanks to alicia and her two brilliant partners of black lives matter that started the night of george zimmerman's acquittal, is they came back today saying no, black lives don't matter. because the life that was lost was not even addressed in this indictment. it was those that might have had collateral damage why we killed somebody. but we're not going to address thele criminality of killing that person, because they don't matter. this black woman doesn't matter. even though we weren't even

after her, even though the person we claimed to be after was not there and, in fact, in custody. it doesn't matter on a criminal level. the other thing to say that celebrities and activists and influencers come in that don't know them, we were called in by the people in kentucky. the family of breonna taylor called people in. and kentucky has no problem if we come to kentucky to go to the kentucky derby and watch some horses run around behind each other. but don't come in there for a black woman who has been killed. or they're going to have the activist derby in louisville, just like the kentucky derby. because the value of that black woman's life means more to me than it is a horse. breonna taylor's mother, she spoke at our march just three weeks ago in washington. they have brought their plea to all of us, and we're going to respond. one of the ways we respond, and i hope we don't have violence

because i don't want to see any of us become like what we're fighting. but we need to really understand that this prosecutor and mitch mcconnell are on the ballot in about six weeks right there in kentucky. and they need to put some of that energy toward voting and sending a message if, in the name of breonna, we retire mitch mcconnell asthma jorty leader, that's a step showing how serious we are. it's a step that we are serious about what we're doing. sz absolutely. mr. cameron should recall that the prosecutors involved in the tamir rice case and the michael brown case, they lost their jobs based on their behavior. so he's got four more years to go. he just got in. so he should keep that in mind. it's so very southern that a bullet in the wall is more of a

crime than a bullet -- six bullets inside of the body of breonna taylor. such a very southern, old fashioned in an antebellum sort of way. thank you very much. up next on "the reidout," president trump bragging about his super spreader in pittsburgh. president trump makes no mention of the horrifying milestone of 200,000 dead americans. but he did crack a joke or two about the virus. >> it's the china virus, not the coronavirus. corona sounds like a beautiful place in italy. it's corona. but coronavirus, doesn't it sound like italy? a beautiful villa. corona. wow. as the nation mourns the loss of ruth bader ginsburg, republicans rush to approve a right wing successor. they can't get a bill done to help people who are struggling financially. gloria steinem joins me on "the

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this is what american carnage looks like. 202,000 dead americans. 29 people receiving unemployment assistance, with nearly 1 million who continue to file unemployment on a weekly basis. and 0%, 1 out of 5 small businesses across the u.s. remaining shuttered. when you ask president trump, he said he's deeveryboserving of a plus. here is how much he cares. >> why haven't you said anything about the u.s. hit 2gting 200,0 deaths. >> go ahead, anybody else? >> over the past two weeks, the country has seen a 13% rise in positive faces. and in 18 states, new cases are high and staying there.

in the past 48 hours, we've seen nearly 1500 people die from the virus. communities of color continue to be disproportionately affected, and latina, black and indigenous households are hardest hit economicty, as well. but they shouldn't expect much sympathy from this official. officials tell "the washington post" in unguarded moments with senior aides, president trump has maintained that black americans have mainly themselves to blame in their struggle for equality. hindered more by lack of nichetive thnich initiative than society. let me start with you here on -- these are not new information, these new revelations in "the washington post," just starker than normal. and as if to back them up, here was president trump talking about a member of congress yesterday. >> how about omar of minnesota. [ you booing ]

we're going the win the state of minnesota because of her, they say. she's telling us how to run our country. how did you come from where you came from? she's going to tell us -- she's telling us how to run our country. >> congresswoman omar is an american member of congress. i shouldn't have to say that. but i guess i have to, because president trump is saying some madness. and here is -- to add to it, "the washington post" reports that after calls with jewish lawmakers, president trump has muttered that jews are only in it for themselves and stick together in an ethnic allegiance that exceeds other loyalties, officials said. so he's ecumenical with it. your thoughts? >> my thoughts are, you played that clip and it makes my skin crawl. i may have seen it half a dozen times since last night. i'm a muslim imgramigrant to th united states. i have kids who are musl

muslim-american. it's the definition of racism to tell a person who is an american citizen to go back to where they came from, that this isn't their country. he does it with jews. he tells that jews israel is their country and tells a somali refugee that has been an american citizen for more than two decades, how did you run your country? omar left somalia at the age of 8. and the racism is across the board. this is not the first time he's gone after omar. last year he went after all four members oh of the squad, telling them to go back to their crime infested countries. il happ ilhan wassomalia. joy, you and i, we grew up to people telling us to go back to where we came from.

it is the worst, the lowest, the most brazen, the most disgusting, the most old fashioned and authentic form of racism there is, and it's coming from the president of the united states 40 odd days out from an election. people say well, you know, let's talk about something else. let's -- the normalization, joy, really frustrates me. we should be talking about this all the time. not saying well, we heard it before or "the washington post" having to talk to former officials about what he's saying in private. this should be front and center. the man is racist, he's behaving in a racist way, and it's -- for once i'm lost for words, joy. it's disgusting. >> yeah. i get it. and i think that every republican member of congress in the house and senate should be asked every day, account for this. you heard him say this. your thoughts? because they run away and say we don't listen to what he says, they don't hear it. they act as if they don't hear it. they're part of it. if you're not saying anything, you're part of it, republicans. the other thing that president trump seems to be more open

about now is pretending that the virus isn't happening, that the devastation economically isn't real. and that's now drivelled on to his followers. let's listen to dr. anthony fauci rebuking senator rand paul, who is an eye doctor. but apparently he didn't study too much in school when it came to science. here he is debating dr. fauci. >> right now, if you look at what's going on right now, the things that are going on in new york to get their test positivity 1% or less is because they are looking at the guidelines that we have put together from the task force of the four or five things of masks, social distancing, outdoors more than indoors, avoiding crowds, and washing hands. >> or they have developed enough community immunity that they're no longer having the pandemic because they have enough

immunity in new york city to stop it. >> i challenge that, senator. please, sir, i would like to do this, because this happens with senator rand all the time. you are not listening to what the director of the cdc said, that in new york, it's about 22%. if you believe 22% is herd immunity, i believe you're alone in that. >> you know, dr. patel, it's pad enough when dr. trump thinks that he is promoting herd mentality, he means herd immunity. now you have rand paul doing the same thing. how much trouble are we in if you have republican officials trying to push this idea that would mean, you know, another 6 million people dead? >> yeah, this is -- joy, you said it. this is a herd mentality by just kind of -- it's demonizing si science. i can watch that fauci clip over

and over again. he's one of the most preeminent disaster doctors in the world, he writes textbooks that we all study from, and that was a smackdown. to your point, this constant reverberation against the facts, that we have have herd imcommunity without consequences, that we can ignore the consequences that we do have, that we can have 121 children die, 80% of which are children of color, for no other reason except that they were born into a culture of immigration that all three of us can share, is demonization is spilling over into science. and joy, he said it today. if the fda has a rigorous science approval for an evidence-based scientific transparent approval of a vaccine, it's not up to the fda. the commissioner made a mistake, it's up to the white house. this is a unitarian power that is being defined and has been going on. >> it is bizarre. before we go, really quickly,

you have the governor of missouri that tested positive, he and his wife tested positive for covid. at least one person who attended president trump's september 10 rally tested positive. are we essentially now seeing a trump virus essentially that the virus is going to follow him and the people who follow him around? >> it's a very good point. he loves to give names to virus. let's call it the trump virus. chris hayes is objectively pro covid. put it this way, if you wanted to spread the coronavirus, if you were trying to get people to get the virus, what would you do differently that president trump is not already doing right now? >> yeah. trump virus it is. he likes to have his name on things, congratulations, donald, you've got yourself a virus. thank you both. appreciate you. still ahead, the biggest unanswered question of our time. is rushi exerting some kind of

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the unfair money bail system. he, accused of rape. while he, accused of stealing $5.

the stanford rapist could afford bail; got out the same day. the senior citizen could not; forced to wait in jail nearly a year. voting yes on prop 25 ends this failed system, replacing it with one based on public safety. because the size of your wallet shouldn't determine whether or not you're in jail. vote yes on prop 25 to end money bail. we need nine justices. you need that. with the unsolicited millions of ballots that they're sending, it's a scam, it's a hoax. everybody knows that. and the democrats know it better than anybody else. so you're going to need nine justices up there. i think it's going to be very important. >> president trump is fearmongering his mail-in voting to gin support to ram through a

supreme court nominee. the atlantic reports that it's a key component to steal the next election to contest election night results. never mind the fact that russia continues its own meddling in elections, or that the fbi is warning about that foreign disinformation may target election results. the fbi said state and local officials are trustworthy sources, but not the man who keeps pushing lies that voting by mail is riddled with fraud as he did last four when he refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after the election. >> we're going to have to see what happens, you know that. i've been complaining very strongly about the ballots and the ballots are a disaster. >> i understand that, but people are rioting. can you commit to making sure that there's a peaceful transferral of power. >> get rid of the ballots and there won't be a transfer, frankly. there will be a continuation. >> wow. i'm joined by malcolm nance.

you heard him just say it right there. he's not committing to a peaceful transferral of power because there won't be a transfer. your thoughts? >> in his mind, he really believes that this election is surpurrlouse and any election held he wins. he told us precisely what he feels, there won't be a transition in this election. there will be a victory for president trump. and there will be no reason to have anything other than an inauguration for him. i think it will be devastating to both the nation and president trump when he loses, if he loses. because he doesn't know how to handle this. i think it was mary trump who said that his pathology in his mind is he can't handle anything beyond what he imagines in his head. >> yeah. it's either he just doesn't

believe the polls and has his power of positive thinking hat on and is like, i can't lose and that's what he thinks. or he knows this is what people worry about, does he know something we don't know, that russia has already weighed in, that he's gotten foreign helpers to help. this piece says trump may win or lose but will insist the election was rigged. he's not trying to prevent mail-in voting, but he's discrediting the practice to lay the ground work for post election night to contest the results. the thing that a lot of people worry about is president trump may think whatever he thinks in his head, but republicans act on what he thinks to protect him and at the state level, republicans, and at the federal level and now at the supreme court, will act on his dreams and keep him in power even if he loses. >> you know, "the atlantic" article title was spot on -- the election that will break america, that could break america. and it's true.

the republican party sees themselves as not just the enablers of president trump any more, they are the enforcers of his law. and as far as he's concerned, his dictum, what comes out of his mouth, is law. i suspect that we're also going to be seeing a lot more action from foreign actors. what i fear most is on election night, as the first results are coming in, whether it's russia, north korea, whether it's the trump data team, and president trump himself, they will start mass pushing through social media that he won. they will create a psychological framework of their victory, even though no one will declare it, except for president trump and the republican party. that right there will fracture this nation right down the middle. and i do not believe for not one moment, that he will not use the attorney general and all the tools of force in the united states government short of the

armed forces. >> well, here is the other thing. the cia is withholding information from him about intelligence regarding what russia is doing. i don't know if that means they're still working on it, just not telling him, or just standing down. which worries me if they're standing down. donald trump's incentive structure is stay out of prison, don't get indicted, stay being president to prevent being indicted. but it's also cash. president trump has raked in for h his businesses $1.9 billion in revenues during his first three years. it's not clear whether he was a billionaire before. but it says here that even if his tenure ends in january 2021, president trump should be the first president to rake in billions while serving in office. he's an american putin as far as he's concerned. and he wants to keep the cash rolling in. so he has every incentive to stay in forever, doesn't he? >> of course. because he's an oligarch wanna

be. the thing i believe he fears most, and which is probably created a blank space in his mind where he does not see the polls, and he cannot see anything but victory, is the very fact that that money might be seized in a future criminal prosecution where he was making money while running the united states government, including that of his daughter and his sons. the entire trump organization. this is existential for president trump. >> that would be something else. that would be something else. >> it would be. >> malcolm nance, thank you. always great to talk to you, my friend. thank you very much. up next, the legacy of supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg and the challenges that lie ahead. gloria steinem joins me when "the reidout" comes back. "the reidout" comes back ♪

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justices, the spouses of the justices and the entire supreme court family, i offer our hea heartfelt condolences on the loss of ruth bader ginsburg. her concurring and dissenting opinions will steer the court for decades. she will live on in what she did to improve the law and the lives of all of us. and yet still ruth is gone, and we grieve. >> supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg is currently lying in repose outside of the supreme court where she will be today and tomorrow for members of the public to pay their respects. joining me now is gloria ste steinum. thank you so much for being here. i think i know things, but you

met ruth bader ginsburg in the '70s and you were contributing at new york magazine. tell us about sending you to mississippi. >> that's just one of the ways that she was always ahead of everyone. she understood that reproductive rights, reproductive freedom, that's a fundamental right. because she had been sterilized without her knowledge and permission when she went into a hospital for something else, her testimony helped ruth to protect the rights of two young women who were threatened by a state legislature with the loss of state support if they were not sterilized. i mean, you know, this was a time when we didn't yet quite have words for reproductive freedom and reproductive justice, but ruth was absolutely there. >> yeah. and, you know, let me put up

your tweet that you put up with the photo and you wrote she left us a clear and precious legacy. it is up to us to keep her spirit alive. that fight right now centers on her seat itself. ted cruz today blocked a resolution honoring justice ruth bader ginsburg because he objected to the mention of her dying wish that she not be replaced until a new president comes in. and the republican party is now rushing to vote in donald trump's pick before the election. what do you make of this fight? >> i think it's outrageous. and romney who had previously said that he would wait until after the election has just sacrificed his entire political career by doing this duplicitous, ridiculous thing. you know, clearly that was her last wish. that's the wish that -- look at the polls. most americans, the idea of trying -- they may not be able to rush it through, i suppose, but even trying to push it through is outrageous. >> yeah.

you know, princess harry and meghan markle, they actually talked about voting, which was really interesting. and they talked about combatting this information. meghan markle said every four years, we are told the same things, that this is the most important election of our lifetime. but this one is. it is vital that we reject hate speech, misinformation and online negativity, both statements that were kind of about the president, too. here was donald trump's response to their statement. >> prince harry and meghan markle chimed in on the u.s. election and essentially encouraged people to vote for joe biden. let me get your reaction to that. >> i'm not a fan of hers, and i would say this, and she probably has heard that, but i wish a lot of luck to harry because he's going to need it. >> you know, donald trump is

quite the suckup when it comes to the royal family. he wants them to like him. but what do you make of the fact he skipped over prince harry entirely and went right after meghan markle? >> well, he always goes right after women. you know, he could not possibly be more clear in his hatred and fear of women. but, of course, first of all, he misrepresented. i mean, she did not say that she was -- who she was voting for. she said she was coming home to vote, right? and harry also was very clear that he regretted that all of his life he hasn't been able to vote, which i must say i hadn't thought about, that nobody in the royal family could vote. she is a smart, principled, amazing person. we sat here together and made cold calls to voters on the phone and saying -- we didn't tell them who to vote for. we just said vote. it is so important to vote. she's being totally principled

and true. >> you know, donald trump's attitude toward humanity is an odd thing for an american president. but his supporters' reactions to humanity, to mass death from covid, to all of it and to this justice passing away are also odd. there is a story in "the new york times" that trump aids worried that they kept the information that ruth bader ginsburg had died from trump because he was at a rally and they were afraid if he announced it from the stage that his crowd would boo. what do you make of that? >> i don't know. i mean, boo or cheer? i mean, i have no idea. >> i mean, they would cheer. sorry. that they would cheer. you corrected me. that they would cheer the fact that she had passed, correct. >> well, i hope they're not as crazy as he is, but you have to remember that he is a narcissist and narcissists are incapable of

empathy. he cannot feel what anyone else is feeling. he only has two modes of behavior, and that make him completely predictable. he will respond with hostility to the smallest criticism no matter how accurate, and he will follow any praise, even if it comes from russia or -- you know, it doesn't matter where it comes from. he will follow it. that was pointed out by 200 psychiatrists. he is 100% predictable. >> yeah. last question very quickly, what do you think ruth bader ginsburg would want us to do with our time now? >> well, i don't presume to know in each situation, but i think if we say to ourselves, if we deeply think what would ruth do and then do it ourselves, she

will be with us. that's the only -- she's the one person on the court who people didn't say did she vote right? however she voted was right. >> she voted with her principles. we are out of time. thank you so much. i really appreciate you being here. i also want to let you guys know i will be on with jimmy fallon later tonight. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> can you commit to making sure there is a peaceful transfer of power. >> you'll have a very peaceful -- there won't be a transfer, frankly. there will be a continuation. >> tonight a five-alarm fire for democracy. explosive new reporting on trump's vast ongoing project to steal a second term. then, the outrage in louisville and across the country. why were no officers charged