september 27th. i'm ali velshi. we begin this hour with breaking news, brand-new polling in two major battle ground states. in michigan, the latest nbcmarist poll shows joe biden

ahead with a margin of error 3.4%. biden is up more in wisconsin ahead by ten points with the same margin of error of 4.6%. president trump won both of those states in 2016 by razor thin margins. less than 1% in both. it's a similar story in colorado with the latest polls showing biden up by roughly ten points. this morning i'm in the town of pueblo with the 26th annual pueblo, chile and bean festival. the pueblo chile is a veriuation. it's comparable to a moderate jalapeno. welcome to our special series "velshi across america." i'm joining you from a city or county across the country. my first stops, minneapolis, minnesota and kenosha,

wisconsin. aurora was thrust into the spotlight when elijah mcclain was killed. his killing was exploited by president trump that made race and culture wars a central theme in his reelection strategy a strategy if you look at the polling is not working. the nbc poll reveals that voters in battle ground michigan and wisconsin overwhelmingly think biden is better at handling race relations than trump is by 24 and 23 points respectively. trump is, ovf course branding hs style as law and order, which is an oxy moron warning about an apocalypse future that looks like the present day trump's

america and playing on fears that work for the republicans in the past. looking at the brand-new nbc swing state polls out of michigan and wisconsin, it does not seem to be working right now for donald trump. voters this time around seem to be seeing right through it. in michigan voters are split on views how biden and trump will handle crime and in wisconsin voters will say biden will be better than trump. joining me to break it down senior political editor mark murray. you've been pouring over these polls. what stands out to you. >> ali, what stands out to me in the horse race with wisconsin and michigan is that this is consistent with the other public polling we've actually seen. it might be a little higher but all the polls that i've seen of these states, the good polls have joe biden ahead and what is fueling his lead right now is his performance with white voters. he is doing much better than

hillary clinton did in these states with white voters than democrats four years ago among white voters in michigan you have joe biden and donald trump tied especially. four years ago, you had donald trump winning white voters in michigan by 20 points. so ali, that really to me is one of the biggest stories in the election so far. joe biden and his performance with white voters we make a lot about his situation with latinos and african americans but i think this is the big story particularly in these two battle ground states. >> mark, thank you for getting up early for me and sharing this with our viewers. mark murray, senior political editor. joining me to talk about this more, po politzer prize winning nicole hanna jones. she's the co-founder of the 1619

project. nick co nicole, i thought about you when i heard this poll because donald trump needs this to work for him. he needs the law and order thing to work for him. he needs those dog whistles about suburbs and low income housing and how cory booker is going to have poor black people move into the neighborhoods work for him. this polling indicates that it no not. >> yeah, i think the polling is showing donald trump is running against a difficult candidate to make that argument. nobody believes joe biden is a radical leftist. joe biden is speaking in very consill tarry terms. he is looking to do what the president does. he speaks against protests that become violent, but he also is not trying to rev up that violence. people don't want this d

divisivness, i think the polls are showing voters that don't want to see people coming into their towns with assault rifles and shooting and killing unarmed people and don't want to see the decisiveness that trump is stoking. the polls aren't looking good in that area for now. >> what is interesting is that polling on violence, a little closer, violence and race relations. polling on race relations is not even close. biden is 23 and 24 points ahead in these two states. i'm actually puzzled by the 31 and 34% of people who think donald trump is actually better on race relations. i don't know how that works entirely, but i think to me, it struck me as good that voters can distin wiguish between thes two. >> most of the protests have not had any type of violence at all. i think many voters see this as an explicit play.

they see and hear the racial dog whistles of trump's campaign trying to make this not about people in the streets protesting, brutality and protesting for civil rights and instead, trying to make this about thuggery. people are hearing dog whistles. it not being effective. that is critical. many of us are concerned it could be effective. in the past using these racialized dog whistles of course, richard nixon ran on that same explicit came ppaign after the years of racial protest in the united states, he ran on the idea of law and order understanding that white americans would hear that dog whistle but there are so many other things that make the dog whistle hard to penetrate. the economy, handling of the covid crisis and people seeing these videos of black people being killed by police are giving people dexterity but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

we have a lot of time before the election. i think i'm always amazed that those votes are still so close even after everything we've seen, there could be that many people who think that trump is doing a good job. so i also don't think that those polls should make us feel complacent about what that will actually mean in november. >> nicole, good to see you, thank you for joining us. nicole hanna jones is with the "new york times" magazine and co-founder of the ida b. wells and helped me understand what 1619 means. >> joining me from 120 miles due north in nearby morrison, colorado outside of aurora and denver is nbc news political reporter and my friend vaughn. nice to be in the same state. there is a tight senate battle between corey gardener, the republican and challenger former governor, the democrat john

hickenlooper. like me, you've been talking to voters in the state. what are they telling you about that race? >> just about two hours north of you, this is a battle ground state. you mentioned the senate race between john hicken hooper, the two-term governor from the state of colorado and corey gardener running for his second term to represent the state of colorado is the republican senator. this is where this race becomes interesting because you can make the case there are now 13 income be want republicans with races in this debate in the nomination of amy coney barrett thrusts these senators into the middle of this conversation. i was having these conversation with the voters and i want to give you an idea here. i'm in the county of jefferson county. back in 2014, when corey gardener first ran for the u.s. senate, running sort of more of

a colorado independent, he won this county out of more than 220,000 votes by literally 120 votes. just two years later, donald trump lost this county by more than 22,000 votes and i was having a conversation last night with john and dianna roth from the county who told me that they voted for corey gardener in 2014. lifelong conservatives. they said they will not vote for corey gardener in election nor donald trump despite the nomination of a conservative to the supreme court justice. that is the evidence you're seeing in a lot of these numbers. at the same time, i also had a conversation with a gentleman named john who told me he's not going to vote for donald trump but supports the nomination of amy coney barrett in the confirmation process to get her through and debating whether to support hickenlooper or gardener and those are conversations over the next 37 days here in colorado and states where senate republicans are facing strong democratic challenges is to what

extent will folks separate the confirmation process and president trump from those republican senators and whether they intend to vote for her nomination come this november. ali? >> vaughn, good to see you. i was fully expecting to see you in a vest. even i'm wearing a vest under my jacket because i thought you and i would match this morning. it kind of cold here in pueblo. good to see you. >> i know -- >> this is a beautiful state -- >> i just left phoenix and still thinking everywhere would be 100 and i got here and it's much colder than that. i have to go to the store after this. >> it's christmas morning. talk to you in a bit. vaughn in morrison, colorado. beautiful state. it a very politically interesting state and vaughn has a beautiful backdrop there. coming up next, my discussion with colorado voters about the racial injustice reckoning around the country but first, words of wisdom from republican voter jessica navis how we might reduced and the

polarization in our country. >> what i see every day is individuals that cover their ears and don't want to hear it because you're not part of the main stream. you're oc your opinion is different. we'll only get to a better place when we hear each individual story and start listening to each other. each other

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we are back from beautiful pueblo, colorado. the third location on the velshi across america 2020 tour. this election year is defined by a hand full of topics and themes, one of which is the inmeasurable racial strife. millions of americans of all stripes have taken to the streets to fight for justice people of color so rightly deserve. this moment is felt in pueblo, as well. to that end i asked my voters how they feel about the recent protests they seen in person and coverage by the media and as you can imagine, their answers were varied. >> i think a lot of people are frightened by what they see on television. i mean, that's what i'm hearing from people. they're afraid to drive to denver.

they are afraid the road might be blocked and they might find themselves in a freightening and dangerous situation. i think people are united behind the idea that there needs to be equal protection under the law for everybody. what happened to breonna taylor was horrific and a tragedy and things like that should never happen but part of that comes from how much power we give government, and the more we restrain government and the smaller we make our government, the less likely it is for things like that to happen. so i think republicans and democrats can find some common ground and make some criminal justice reform but i think that you lose a lot of ground when you smash store windows and you graffiti public buildings and make people frightened by surrounding their car and banging on it and bad things happen and people become more polarized and that's not good for anybody and really bad for the nation. >> i would say the question of how small you make government is an interesting one because ultimately, the folks who want to defund the police believe in

small government. that's the ultimate. i take it you don't want to go that far. >> no, i don't want to defund the police but we need to reform the laws that allow things like no knock raids. only when there is imminent threat to public safety should a no knock raid be executed. a no knock raid for a drug warrant, not so much. >> actually, i do agree in part. i think there is such thing as a right sizing of your police function. what i've noticed over the years is that when we moved away from the draft, it seems we've grown this law enforcement function as a result and we've militarized this law enforcement function. it confusing to me we still have a program 1033 where the obsolete equipment we use in service is being handed down by grant to local law enforcement function.

i would agree that we need to right size that function. it ne it needs to be back to a peace function. we're americans and we're residents of this country that we have decided that the right answer is to militarize a police function against americans and residents of this country is outrageous to me. i believe in a person's right to protest. i'm not going to get caught up in whether or not something was broken. i paid for it anyway as a taxpayer, i pay for it to be fixed and i pay for it to be policed. we all do. >> thank you. >> uh-huh. >> jessica, what do you think about the state of things in the country right now in terms of these protests? >> it very scary, i have a 10-year-old son who watches the news. the decisiveness in this country, the hate towards america, the wanting to rewrite history. it's very sad. and i appreciate and thank you

for your service and operation desert storm is near and dear to my heart. i was 13 years old and ridiculed for wearing a yellow ribbon from 1990 until the soldiers came home. i have an immense sense of patriotism and pride for my country and watching it burn and just the violence, it's unacceptable and it scars me for the future of my son. >> thank you. >> ian? >> first of all, i want to say black lives matter without a doubt. brown lives matter, too. i come from a community where police abuse is real. i saw violence to people in my family, to community members. guns pulled unnecessarily on people. the drug war clearly needs to change. criminalizing people's emotional addictions does not help anybody. i think reforming the police is only the first step. it's only stopping people from entering this system but we have private prisons that need reformed. we should be owning those as people. i think once you get out of prison, the discrimination you

face in jobs and in housing is very real. someone is always a criminal forever. that seems so unamerican if you pay your time, you should pay your time. i've been involved inned a voicing a group in denver called the star program where we have taken the police out of response. people call 911, they response from mental health and paramedics. someone is having a mental crisis and end up dead. to me, that's completely wrong. when we talk about reforming the police, defunding the police, my community 40% of our resources are going to putting people in jail and long term make them check a box that will keep them from living a better future and i'm just not okay with that. do i want rapist taken off the street? heck yeah. do i want murderers to be found? yes, i do. i would rather the police would be focussing on those than criminalizing people for petty offenses. >> your thoughts?

>> i will echo in black lives matter. we have a long history in the u.s. of discrimination and racism and it's got to end at some point. you look at colin kaepernick and him being blackballed from football and everyone is jumping on the band wagon saying we should have listen to him. there are protests for decades. we look at john lewis, the honorable john lewis and before that. we protested. it's what this country is founded on is protesting. peaceful and not peaceful. the boston tea party was not peaceful. there was property destruction. and so here we are today feeling as if white society and of course i'm a white woman but i'm standing with the protesters. i'm standing with my black brothers and sisters. black lives matter.

protesting, coming to the table, talking, we have to start now to finish what the constitution should have addressed 235 years ago and it didn't. >> bridget, you're in a unique position. you went from being undocumented, which some people think is illegal in this country to being a lawyer, getting educated in this country and becoming a lawyer. i want to understand what law and order means to you. >> law and order, you know, laws have to be just. there is a -- i think that's the biggest one, right? unjust law isn't a law. so i don't believe in that. in terms of this whole idea about me being undocumented and me being here illegally. who is the one making that law

and determining that? colorado used to be part of mexico which is where i was born and it was somebody else that decided that at some point that meant you are now illegal in this country. but this whole idea of black lives matter and these protests, it is lawful to have a protest. and i would invite the people that are scared about what these protests are and what they mean to come out to a protest. i don't know or remember the exact number but i know over 90% of these protests have been peaceful. you can't base your entire opinion based on a 30-second news clip or one bad thing that happened. obviously, that's what the news outlets are going to focus on. by in large that's not what they are about. if people come out and listen to other's experiences and why they are actually there, i think it would change a lot of minds and we could come to a place to agree a lot more. people have to be open to listening and to listening to people's experiences outside of

their own. >> you saw a lot of good criticism of the media including get out and talk to people, which is what so many of our reporters try and do and part of the reason i'm out here talking to people. my great thanks to those six people and i'll be playing that a lot over the course of the next two days. you'll hear more and a shoutout to the pueblo arts center for hosting us. i'll talk to voters in free month, ohio next week. next, i'll talk to secretary of state jenna grizwald. next, i'll talk to secretary of state jenna grizwald my father always reminded me, "a good education takes you many different horizons" and that sticked to my mind. so, when $1 a day came out, i said, "why not"? why not just utilize that resource.

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chile festival. tyler is going to start roasting these chiles. these beautiful farm fresh chiles. tyler is going to try to get the fire started and these chiles will roast and throughout the course of the day, people will come here and get their fresh roasted chiles and this is what the festival is about. it a little smaller this year than typically obviously because of coronavirus they are limiting the number of people coming in here but it is one of those few fall festivals that are going on in this country. the other thing that's going on in this country is voting. in just 37 days, you as an american citizen will complete your constitutional duties but voting in what is arguably the most important election in modern history. with trump saying the silent part out loud that he may not leave office if he loses because he won't trust the results or at least that's what he's saying. he's modernizing moving the

united states toward athor tar yes m. if trump wins the election in november, democracy is gone in the united states. which is another reason why you're vote matters. already eight states have begunnbegu begun early voting including new jersey and michigan and virginia some voters waited four hours to cast their ballot but with the cases of coronavirus increasing across the country, millions of people are taking their votes to the mailbox. according to the "new york times", over 70 million absentee ballots have already been requested or mailed to voters in 39 states including in mayor swing states like florida and pennsylvania and so far, north carolina has sent out 600,000 of them and according to the state's board of elections, 54% of the ballots cast so far, more than 100,000 have come from registered democrats. only 16% are from registered

republicans. for the 2016 election, more than 40 million americans voted early, 133 million voted in total in 2016. but experts now predict that votes cast this election could top 145 million, which makes sense given how divided and motivated this country is right now. according to a recent study, 83% of voters say it matters who wins in november, two decades ago in 2000 that number was 50%. how can voters trust mail in ballots will count when the president is trying to destroy confidence in the system and postal service. that's easy according to the colorado secretary of state who encouraged voters to ignore what trump said vote by mail because he's quote lying to try to keep power. joining me is jenna grizwald with whom i've been talking about voting, voting effectively, voting by mail, a similar system to what they have

in colorado where you can vote as we heard last hour with the attorney general and drop it in a ballot box around the state. secretary, thank you for being with us. great to be in your great state. you have been very clear on how voting can work in this state and particularly what the united states postal service needs to do to make sure people's ballots are safe. >> well, welcome to colorado, ali. we're so excited to have you. i hope you get some of those pueblo chiles. they are the best in the nation. that's exactly right. not only do we have great chiles, with have great elections. you register to vote, you're sent a mail in ballot and return it to one of hundreds of ballot drop boxes by the mail or go vote in person. >> tell me how effective this is. what kind of problems you dealt with and how you solved them. >> well, it's extremelyfecti if

can --fe effective. we have the highest number of eligible people in the nation and we always lead the nation in turnout. when we adopted vote by mail for all, our participation rates increased by 9%. it's time for the nation to modernize. this is the 21st century. the era of long lines should end in every american should have the same type of access to our election model that coloradoens do. >> talk to me about the lawsuit. you filed some sort of a petition against the postal service to get them to do certain things. what was that about? >> ali, i'm proud to say we're 2-0. we're making sure that our elections will work just like any other year and not only did we get a restraining ordinary tore make sure the postal service sends good information to colorado voters and they don't make any election changes that would or any internal

changes that would affect the election, the post master general dejoy affirmed to secretaries of state across the nation the postal service is ready to go. as you know, actions speak louder than words. i'll make sure his actions meet up with his words but we're confident in the elections in colorado and encourage all americans to vote the mail in ballot. it the responsible way to vote and allows us to make our voices heard without risking our health. >> jena griswald is colorado secretary of state. doug jones on the supreme court battle underway plus what he's doing to hold on to his own seat as the democrat in the deep south but first, a message from democratic voter christina reyes who says having tough conversations isn't enough to help the nation heal. ersations help the nation heal >> i think we need to believe people and believe in the experiences that we have. it not enough to just listen but

to believe. one of the problems we're running into is we say well, i know this person that thinks differently or they're this way and they don't think that way so what you're telling me is happening must not be true. that's believe what people are telling you and also care, care about people. telling you and also care, care about people

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and republicans to replace ruth bader ginsburg. he said i'll not be a party to mitch mcconnell's party grab and the further erosion of the senate. i will not vote to confirm any supreme court justice nominee until after the election is concluded. the american people deserve a vote. senator jones of alabama joins me now. good to see you. thank you for being with us. what's the feedback been, first overall, from your constituents? i imagine on something this big and serious you probably heard from people in your state. what are they telling you? >> we'll hear from a lot more i think in the coming week. last week there was -- my office was overwhelmed with emails and calls about people wanting to delay this vote and didn't think it was appropriate. they are going to go back and forth. overall the reaction was

positive. this is not a partisan battle. it's really not a partisan battle. this is for the heart and soul of america for the heart and soul of the united states senate. and it is a pure political power grab and so people see this as a question of right versus wrong and fairness and that's the big issue. they are concerned about issues that will come before the supreme court but at the end of the day, see this as the height of apo-- and some of my republi colleagues. >> part of the problem, though, these days is that everything becomes partisan and everyone goes into their corners pretty quickly and as a lot of republicans, whether they believe it's the right thing to do or not have decided that the right thing to do is install and confirm a supreme court associate justice before the election. you're in a state where you won last time because some people who identified as republicans supported you. how do you play this in your state because you're in a tight race? >> i play this the way i played

my entire two and a half, almost three years in the united states senate. this is a question whether or not we go forward as a country, whether or not the american people deserve to have a choice in this election. people i think see this race not just in a partisan way. they want an independent voice for alabama and looking deeply in the issues and making a decision not based on politics. it would be easy to make those decisions on a political basis. this goes way beyond that. i work for the senate in 19 -- the late 1970s when the senate really functioned as the worl e. congress is in the lowest esteem because of political students seen over and over and they see doug jones to go back to the way we need to bring people into the middle, the way we need to do things that where compromise is not a dirty word but there is the ability to go forward with the american people. everybody can win if we would just take a step back, let the

american people decide in this election and then we go from there. >> senator, i'm here in colorado and every week i talk to voters and i get groups of six people together and i ask them what their biggest priorities are and why they are voting for whoever they are voting for. the story is different for everybody. for some people it's health care. for some people it's the coronavirus. for other people it's law and order. it's black lives matter. when you are trying to complete your coalition in alabama, to try to keep those people together that voted for you last time against a candidate who is not roy moore, you know, who you faced off against last time, what are the issues around which they coalesce that you're trying to present? >> health care is still a driving issue in alabama. we didn't expand medicaid. we have 3 to 400,000 alabamans that can't get good health care and that's very concerning. we've also lost rural hospitals

because alabama didn't expand medicaid. i've been a strong proponent of legislation that i've got to try to give states the incentive to expand medicaid again. that's a huge issue. make no mistake. civil rights is an issue. we've seen university of alabama football players, auburn football players in the streets talking about social justice issues and people across alabama recognizing that we've had some failures in that. you know, national security i sit on the armed services committee. those are important issues. our farmers have taken a beating under this administration over the last two and a half, three years. they want some stablility to mae sure they have their markets back and don't want trade wars. we've been talking about one alabama, trying to help everybody in alabama. it was -- i was struck by the comment from the lady, i think right before you went to the break that we need to not only listen to people but believe them. that's what i think our campaign has done is that we not only

just listen but believe and understand and try to work with that. that's who people of alabama want. >> senator, good to see you again, thank you for joining us. senator doug jones democrat of alabama. than thanks for making time. deb holland of new mexico joins me on how the supreme court battle will have an impact on those under represented in the united states and we have breaking news that is both fast and furious, strained from his own political norms, dwayne the rock johnson is throwing his weight behind the joe biden kamala harris ticket. as a political independent, i've voted for both parties in the past. in this critical presidential election, i'm endorsing biden and harris. johnson is one of the biggest celebrities on the planet and there are calls for him to run for president in the united states despite his lack for political inspirations. the rock is the third most backed person for president behind biden and trump.

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we're going to talk about the supreme court and indigenous rights, nobody got it right. these people have triable treaties being broken no matter who your party is. >> that was one of our colorado panelists, ian thomas how he feels both parties approached indigenous rights and triable sovereignty over the years. joining me is deb holland of new mexico. she's a member of the laguna pueblo people and a leader of the democratic party of new

mexico and shareece davis of kansas, one of the first native american women elected to congress. i'm not entirely in your state but i'm close. i'm in the southwest and i'm glad you're able to join us today. i thought it was interesting the conversation that i had with one of the one of the voters i spoke to yesterday about indigenous issues as it relates to the courts. and for america's native people the courts remain positively or negatively a remarkable force. recently there was a voting rights law that was struck down in montana, it was just last week by the yellow stone county district court which prevented people from picking up the ballots from members of the community. that is thought of as a win for native american communities that that was struck down. >> well, yes, thanks so much for having me. you're in the southwest, i'm in washington, d.c. we have a lot going on next week as well. but look, yes, the supreme co t

court -- any court they have huge impacts on tribes. and supreme court precedent is especially significant to tribes because in one case that's decided it affects all tribes, all 574 federally recognized tribes in the country and a lot of times the cases will try to chip away at tribal sovereignty. that has been -- that's been terrible through the years. however, you might get a case like the magert case this summer which re-affirmed the fact that treaties must be honored by the united states government. and, you know, the first sentence of that decision referenced the trail of tears. native americans lost their lives for those treaty rights and we are -- i mean, yes,

treaties never expire and, you know, sometimes we know that courts will affirm those things. but the fact remains that the supreme court of the united states has a tremendous impact on indian tribes. >> you mentioned the magert case and the majority opinion was written by neil gorsuch, a conservative appointed by president trump and he said as someone who relies on the text rather than a different interpretation of it the east part of oklahoma is native land. the 7th court of appeals had upheld that in a different cased called oneida nation called the village of hobart. guaranteeing land to the native americans in green bay. the courts have not been great at upholding the native and

tribal rights. you see this as an example of courts making native americans whole again? >> well, i mean, sometimes it's -- you know, you -- it's sort -- i mean, you never know what the outcome going to be, right? so it's -- so sometimes -- i mean, it's a little bit of a crap shoot whether we can get a favorable decision or not. but what we hope is that, you know, that any judge or justice is completely informed on what the history is and what the case is and it's so important. you know, i came to congress as you mentioned in the introduction one of the first two native women in congress. working to make sure that we're always moving these issues forward. native american issues aren't often in the news. they're not often talked about. our history, native history is american history as i have often

said. however, a lot of folks don't really understand that and when you say -- you know, some people actually believe that treaty rights expire. they don't expire. and so these are always things that we're working to ensure that people understand. the history of our country, the trust relationship between tribes and in fact, as i mentioned the trust relationship was opinioned by the supreme court. the united states owes that to tribes so we keep moving these issues forward. we keep trying to make sure that we tell our history, that we have a voice at the table and always, always hope for the best. >> and that's a failure on the part of the media that those stories are not told and we will try and change that. thank you, congresswoman deb holland from new mexico. before i wrap up this stop, i have to show you this is a bushel of these chilies are

being roasted here. you can buy them in smaller packets than this because it's hard to travel back to the east coast with. but these are the famous pueblo chilies. i'm going to have a little bit for breakfast after i finish this show. that wraps up this third stop on "velshi across america." next week i'm headed to ohio, the town of fremont, which lies in a county that trump flipped big in 2016. coming up next, chelsea clinton will discussion her new book and her thoughts on the 2020 race. you are watching msnbc. oughts o. you are watching msnbc age is just a number.

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speaker pelosi said you shouldn't debate the president because he has no fidelity to fact or truth. does she have a point? >> look, the people know the president's a liar. i mean, they know that. it's not like it's a -- going to come as a surprise. my guess is it will be straight attack. they'll be mostly personal. that's tom thing he knows how to

do. he doesn't know how to debate the facts because he's not that smart. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." i'm tiffany cross. we are just 37 days away from the most consequential election of our lives. and as you just heard, joe biden is expecting the first debate on tuesday to get pretty ugly. as people winter wrote in "the atlantic," the challenge isn't that he'll be facing a bully, but he'll be facing a man who is shameless and without conscience. a shatter of norms and boundaries, a liar of epic proportions. a conspiracy mongerer who inhabits an alternate reality and true to form at his thursday rally trump gave us a taste of what we can expect on tuesday. >> somebody said oh he won't do well at the debate, i said i think he'll do fine. they'll give him a big shot of something and he'll go out there. they have a lot of energy, he'll