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did veer off into a rule-breaking rant by president trump. he ramped up attacks on biden's family, and even if trump caused chaos that is hard to watch, as we noted. the clash did reveal two different leaders with two very different approaches to discourse. joe biden, welcome throughout. and dismissing trump, taking his heads, and laughing, and picking certain moments to pick up. slamming the president on covid and branding him a racist clown. >> the fact s everything he is saying so far is simply a lie. i'm not here to call out his lies. everybody knows he's a liar. >> when you listen -- >> will you shut up, man? >> who is on your list, joe? >> this is so -- you're the worst president america has ever had. come on. >> this is a president ho has

used everything as a dog whis toll try to generate racist hatred, racist division. by the way, my son -- >> by the way, mr. president, your campaign agreed both sides would get two minutes, uninterrupted. >> he never keeps his word. >> let's be clear. the way donald trump conducted himself at this debate is very intentional. he is nothing if not a masterful, effective planner with how he wants to present on television. it was hard to watch on purpose. i was chaotic on purpose. fy made you, as you watch it right now, you clearly care about the news and politics f you it made you think i don't want to finish this let alone watch more that is on purpose. as ugly as it was at time, it was still accountability.

it was still a rare time where this president had to face a moderator journalist with a mike and his opponent in front of a live audience and deal, and his failure to deal, his desire to make it something else. to get people to turn it off? that's a season there is something about this forum, even as he compromises it, scares him. something to keep in mind as we break down what is important. swe a great panel to do it. former obama campaign kmanger david plouffe, and bash ka, and michael steel. good evening to all of you. david, you are widely seen in the democratic party as a victorious stre victorious strategist, even with long odds of barack obama. your view on what donald trump was up to, that he wanted to

shut it down and hack it. and how the democrats should deal. >> first, donald trump is losing the race. polls aren't votes but he is losing in battle ground states, by 5 to 7 points. he has to do a mum of things to win. he has to get massive turn out, and hopefully joe biden will get the turn out. he has to win all the undecided, and he has to pull current people ho are voting for joe biden away. let's not forget, people are voting. 10% of the wisconsin vote is already in. did any of the categories -- i think some of the base loved it tonight. they like the angry rants, and the fake toughness. but i think he set it back significantly in terms of accusation. to the extent it was strategy, i think it was to turn off people so some people wouldn't vote. it was try to rattle biden, and missed moments, as happens in

debates. bu but it took enormous patience to stand next -- >> it took patience to watch it from afar. >> to watch it. right. so i know there's already a lot of discussion about should there be a second or third debate? you cannot cower in front of a bull. the second debate will be modified. donald trump brings that into a debate with citizens, it will be triple the damage. but this is rnt workin't workin. i think it's terrible for democracy. i can't believe the rest of the world seeing it tonight. it's a very ugly look for us. but think the debate was a really terrible moment for donald trump. he is losing this election. and biden had his moments. tried to bring the pandemic back. the thing we will talk about

over the next two or three days is rally donald trump's rallying cry to white supremacists to stand by. an amazing moment in american history. >> michael steel, as someone who ran the republican party and joins our special coverage what do you make of david's point while there is a robust debate about improving the next round, david plouffe, as i mentioned, you stay with it and if it does have donald trump going to town hall, great, he should bring that same energy to regular citizens. >> so, your opening analysis, your intro, i agree with you. and i agree with my buddy david in his analysis. but i disagree with the end point. i think what we saw tonight was

behind an abomination. it was disrespectful to the american people. get trump. i know -- this is all part of -- i'm going to make it as "s" show ugly as i can and make it as uncomfortable as i can because i can. and that is why this should be the last time we see it. >> just to be clear. because i'm going to turn the same question to the senator. david says, yes, to more debates. >> no, done, done. we're done. >> and michael, you say -- >> done. 's no need to do more. the only thing we need to do right now is vote. the only thing that the american people need to do right now is vote. you don't want to see one more moment of what you saw tonight. because it's the culmination of 3 1/2 years, baby. what more do you want to see that is going to change your mind? this is all about entertainment at this point. this is all about degradation of human beings. the moment he disrespected joe

biden's son the way he did, that should be enough. there was so much more. so the fact of the matter is -- what do we -- in an abusive relationship here? where you just -- you hit me, oh more, oh, no, what is this? get a grip. we don't need to see anymore. there's nothing -- you can put 1,000 people in front of trump in a debate with joe biden and you will get the exact same performance. but his calculation in his head is there is enough of the percentage of the audience that will like what i'm going to do. i'm going to do it. we don't need to see more. thing the only thing we need to do, ari and david, is vote. get your ball lot and vote. you have seen it all. there is nothing new to come. >> senator? >> okay. wow.

michael, you had me at hello on that one. what i really want to say this is. i had so many messages while i was watching from my kids. joe should just walk off the stage. and i said, no, he can't walk off the stage. he's going to have to show he can take this crap. excruise my french please. but i'm not a senator anymore. i can see it. >> you can say crap, sure. >> i want to talk as a female voter. i do not understand -- i thought when michael raised the point of abuse this guy reminds you of the boyfriend or the husband you ran away from because he's in a rage. he's in an uncontrollable, unhinged rage. and my dearest mother who i lost a long time ago -- woe gri grew the big city and we saw the cray

city things in the street. if seesaw a guy raging and interrupting and screaming at them, she would say to me, h honey, call in the bhen white coats in. that is how crazy this was. and i think the people who put on the debate, the commission and the moderators ought to get together. it's not up to joe to boycott. i don't think he should or he could. but i think they have to say, donald trump, we have to ask you, will you follow the rules and if you will not swear to do that, we're not going to have the debates. >> let's get into it, senator. you used to write laws. the president spoke about, quote, law and order. laws are not optional. they are enforced with sanction. sometimes it's civil. and sometimes it's criminal. but most people, if they keep

breaking the law, they will meet that sanction. i know it's saying basic things. but it's 2020 and a lot of things have been tested. so this commission makes rules and previously, there was bipartisan on zer vance observae rules and during the debate. only language that matters here. the term love language. the voter's language, can they hear what is said? if you say after two -- you know, verified interruptions you will be muted in the other person's segment, until you -- you might be muted the whole time when it's not your turn. it's kindergarten rules. should it be on the table? >> yeah that is what i said. i think it's really up to the commission and the moderators who saw this disaster. we are the embarrassment of the

world. i heard so commentators say their young children were practically in tear, running out of the room. how can we raise your children and grand kids, looking at this president. the highest office in the world. bringing it down to the lowest level notch one could have gone lower than that. it's for those -- i think chris wallace did the best he could. >> i don't know about that. >> i said the best he could. he was pretty good. he was pretty firm, given everything else he has to deal with, his bosses and all that. he was pretty firm. but trump was out of it. he was not into rules and regulations. last point, you brought up law and order. one of the best things i thought joe did tonight, he said i am

for law and order and justice. >> yeah. >> and i think that was one of the highlights for me. when he used the word justice. it's the most beautiful word. >> all important points from the senator. in closing of this segment -- we have a lot more to come. but david, i don't want to get too religious this late at night. but i am thinking, in the democratic party so many people look to the example wwod, what would obama do? so what do you think that he would do? obviously, there is many different accounts of trump's jealousy of president obama. as the last democrat to hold the office twice and one of the only modern eras to do it with majors rather than the three-way races clinton had, what would obama do in the next debate?

>> no 2012, the incumbent president bombed the first debate just like trump just did. the way to recover is not to double down on your terrible performance. it's to change it. i think -- first, i agree with senator. it's not joe biden's job to fix the debate. his campaign said he will do the next two debates. so the debates are happening. trump's going to do what he's going to do. as hard as it is -- i have two young kids, the youngest kids watched the e badebate tonight, we can't run away from hard things right now. we have to stare it in the face and understand that what you saw tonight is the reason that everybody has to vote and volunteer and become a poll worker. imagine what that person would be like in a second term. i do think what happened tonight -- he doesn't want to face them. he doesn't want to debate.

he is an audocat. the thing about wants to face the opponent, abide by the election. he is not excited about any of that. he wants to rule and he wants to rule for life. so i think what obama would do is focus on how do you get across the finish line to win the election? and joe biden, two more debates, i am excited they are going out on a train tour. the thing that concerns me -- i think trump repelled any swing voter that was hanging out there. i think that part of the comp y campaign will be over. it will be turn out. that is where we have to focus on younger voters in particular. they all hated trump, i'm sure. that is a demotivating debate. i think that bide decision a heroic job to try to fight through it. it was the hardest thing we did, ari. even for barack obama, people thought the turn out just

happened in it was incredibly hard work to hit those numbers. >> david, you referenced your children looking pained at times in the debate. i imagine they looked a little like michael steel's face in your final answer. he wants to get back in. but he stays our special coverage. michael, we will get somewhere of your thoughts. i want to thank you so much for being a part of this. we are going to get into a lot more of the debate, including joe biden making his case defending his sons and why donald trump was the first to hit on nepotism and whether any of that worked, and a fact check when we return. offer the best in entertainment and plans to mix and match starting at $35. with the stunning iphone 11. now get two for just $5 per month. one for you and another to share. only at verizon. there's my career, my cause, my choir. i'm a work in progress.

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when things that have been previously done in the dark are forced into the light, that makes stuff happen. you start asking question, stuff happen, right? there is something about the effect of sun lithe. e.

and speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and being -- and just being suckers, my son was in iraq. he spent a year there. he got the bronze star. he got the conspicuous service medal. he was not a loser. he was a patriot, and the people left behind there were heroes. >> really? you are talk about hunter? >> i'm talking about my son, beau biden. >> i don't know beau. >> donald trump wants to discuss hunter biden. he was defending his son, including the service of his deceased son, beau biden, a flash point for both candidates. and he maligned veterans as quote losers, and no matter how

low to hit biden for issues that, let's be clear, are seen as trump's weaknesses. trump was, for example, at this debate the first candidate to bring up russia or family nepotism or corruption. notes that rung hollow for many viewers. but was trump effective in any lines of attack? we turn to two officials. and one of the fist on the company, same number, you work with trump, and stave bannon, and back with us, the man who ran the entire rnc in a pre-trump era, michael steel. sam, we have called upon you before. you have been close 234 that orbit and in the room with trump. and you have shown your own independence later. walk us through your view on

which don't trump we saw in the attack lines and your political view, not withstanding the great moral and understandable outrage. whether you think any of those work. >> i think the president when he walked in and started interrupting biden, i can tell. he prepared things. he had multiple preparations sessions throughout the last couple weeks. he had decided that this was going to be sort of a therapeutic session even for him. to vent, to get everything out that he thinks that the ma mainstream media doesn't talk about. and not to defend his record but really hit biden, and not give biden an inch or allow biden to take -- to take a strong point. i mean, you have to remember, this is the same joe biden who chairman steel will remember really destroyed paul ryan in

2012. that was a big deal when he did that. this is someone who has man handled other people in debates and what you saw here, the president here, donald trump, decided he had to take the offense. he does not care about rules. >> effective or too nasty. >> it has to be something where he's going to just have to make it a catastrophe where it will be candy for his base. >> effective? >> not really. not really. well, i think it will be effective in certain states, for instance, along with amy coney barrett, who is obviously going to get on the bench, to have biden not answer the question of whether or not should he be elected -- the court? that will help the president.

it will only help get out his voters. did it help where there is going to be a two-point swing both ways? you will have undecided or have seniors come back after the way he answered the covid questions? i don't see it. i don't see it. and i think that he also -- he also -- you know, it was -- the problem with donald trump in general, he never -- when he has somebody down, he almost feels he has to stomp them to death. it got to be too much. even for someobody who doesn't like joe biden, you can say. he made joe biden -- or you think joe bide season too old or issues that have not been covered about biden's career, the way he did it, it just became as if he was bullying him for, you know -- he was overbullying him. the way i phrase it. >> michael? >> yeah, i think sam hits on a number of very important points.

i mean, both of us have worked with -- donald trump, and more rekr recent recently than i have. and i think the overwhelming thing for me in what sam is saying, two points. one, is he never even got joe biden down on the mat. he just started randomly swinging. it's like you go into an mma fight and you got that guy who figures his opponent is probably better than he is. so whatly just do, i will go at him. and hope i land a hit. and okay, you land a couple punches. but then what you realize is that your opponent isn't on the mat. you're still swinging wildly, and a time, everyone just steps back and looks at you, and goes, what the hell are you doing? that is one. the second thing, when you are

the incumbent president of the united states, what is your first order of business in your first national debate? regardless of everything that has gone before. the first order of business is to look america in the eye and give them a reason for a second term. >> sure. >> that sets the tone for the evening. donald trump blew -- he didn't blow by it. he didn't approach that particular spot. >> didn't try it, no. >> didn't try it. you have a lot of americans, whether it's 3%, 7%, 10% of independent, undecided, however they want to frame themselves, voters who have no rationale for his election. his hard base does, and omi opponents like myself, we don't see it. and for those voters, to sam's point where he could have landed a couple blows. and then in the course of that made that part of his rationale

for a second term and missed. >> michael, you talk about mma and landing a blow. we are doing full fight analogies. i have to follow your lead. there is no michael steel like late night baby baby michael steel. >> oh, baby, let's go. >> and late night msnbc viewers know, sam, you can make the analogy to ali foreman, and foreman was a bigger, bolder puncher, and ali took a lot of punches and still ultimately won. and describing what you described, as his personal therapy, will take hits. i want to play one moment where after the many hits landed, we know we're watching a very planned performance orp it was partly coming frout him, and he did say enough is enough and hit back and how it looked after all

the wild swings to use mr. steel's lexicon. take a look. >> 200,000 dead. as you said, over 7 million infected in the united states. we in fact have 5% -- 4% of the world's population, 20% of the deaths. 40,000 people a day are contracting covid. in addition to that, about between 750 and 1,000 people a day are dying. when he was presented with that number, he said it is what it is. you are who you are. >> we're going to play -- when biden hits him and says, shut up, et cetera. let's take a look at that. >> if we have it. we may come back to you. the point in the debate, after many hits, biden saying, enough

already. shut up. >> also, that was the most pivotal point of the debate. everybody was going say, as we normally do, and you heard it for years, the first 30 minutes are the most important. no, the covid section is. why? if donald trump was winning seniors during this cycle at the rate hoe we was winning them 20 along with the games, with african-americans, and with the women he is losing in the suburb, you would have a virtual tie nationally and he would be way ahead in the battle grounds. he is losing them because of covid. they agree with them on immigration. and the majority of the issues, the seniors who voted for him last time. but they feel the way he handle the pandemic could lead them to die and that he doesn't take it seriously. and joe biden's most lucid point

at the debate were frankly there. whether they were canned or not, he was prepared. and he was the joe bide from 2012. that is -- that is who he was. that is who he came off as. i had not seen that. i suspect you're going to continue to see that in the next debates. if it's up to joe bind, the election is going to be about donald trump's personally, character and covid. that is a winning formally. so, the president, he was too defensive. he didn't talk about any accomplishments, anything that is going on, and all he was going to say is that joe biden's stupid and told him not to shut down. >> interesting, many key points here, and sam, you have a window. you said something that amidst all the chaos, it overlaps with what michael pointed out. the sitting president comes out, and interrupts to dominate and

take time and rarely argues for why people are better off four years later and are with evident. i want to thank sam and michael, good to have you, sir. >> all right, bro, you got it. take care. good to see you. >> appreciate it. appreciate both of them. it may be tough to narrow down but we have several key fact checks, and we will talk about it with everyone. where are the lies? we have you covered. a live bookkeeper is helping

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to wipe away trump's stain on america for good. so much to break down from the debate, we haven't gotten to. including the fact check starts here. >> violent crime went down 17%. 15% in our administration. it's gone up on his watch. >> it went down much more than ours. >> here are the facts. part of that is true. viole violent crime did go down by the obama administration. biden referring to violent crime going up in trump's presidency. but it really was stacked. statistically, shows it up under a point. that is stagnant. making biden's claim that it's a misleading exaggeration, and trump said it went way down

under his administration, totally false. important to get into that, even thoep at times, the factual claims took a backseat to trump's interruptions and fighting. and the drug price, donald trump making a false claim that he is somehow lowering him through his administration, we will show you statistics with the spending of drugs and rising rapidly. there is discussion that election results could take a long time to count. this is interesting. it's a change in the way trump previously discussed the election, and it's true. there is more voting by mail, and there are widespread expectations in 14 different states, including battle grounlds, and pennsylvania, where they don't begin to process until election day. translation, it can take a long time. and he's i have a guide here. you may remember florida, 2,000.

it wasn't until mid december that the supreme court resolved that count. and trump made this claim about manufacturing jobs. >> they said it would take a mere cal to bring back manufacturing. they gave up on manufacturing. >> false. the united states has gained about half a million, not 700,000, a difference in jobs heading to 2019. that is charitable because it's looking before covid. 200,000 of the jobs have been lost in the pandemic, making trump's statement misleading. it meets politics, and he said only he only outdoor political rallies. you watch the news so you know that is totally false. it is a lie. the president lying about, for example, these trump rallies in oklahoma, and las vegas, this

past month. there one that they were speculating about. let's turn to new experts joining our live coverage tonight. jake is a democratic strategist who worked for many nominees including obama. christina greer is here, and victoria from the university of austin. christina, obviously, we have covered a lot of other issue thags came first. we had experts confront the proud boys, the white supremacy, discussions about the debate. we had interesting disagreement about people who have critical, and specifically, on the facts, your view of why trump lied. and what the fact checking process means in a chaotic debate like this. >> well, i mean this president lies so easily and so quickly.

he's very quick whited when it comes to lies and he does with it such force and authority those of us who have been following him a long time know it's almost. that to him. almost like the air he breathes or the water falls that come down like insulin. so the president to go off, it wasn't a surprise. the disappointment is that chris wallace was not able to reign him in. because we have seen the president with impunity the past three, plus years. >> i would say the lying is not a glitch. it's a feature of donald trump. when you lie, it's a show of dominance. it's a show that the rules don't apply to you. it's a show that you are in charge. you cannot be held accountable. it's something that trump wanted to communicate all the time. particularly in this debate, where it's a primate dominant ritual, where he was speaking over biden and trying to show that he was in charge for the

two hours. >> do you think, that given the view and you work with so many nominees and it's a unique struggle against trump, and the hillary clinton phase, in addition to being a woman nominee, do you think he truck the right balance or do you think at times a casual viewer might have observed trump just running the night? >> well, the problem is, yes, i mean, a casual viewer can say trump is running the night. the problem is that the casual viewer, like most voters what they really want is a return to normal life. and the problem was, donald trump's performance was completely abnormal. there is no sense f you are a person, who is worried about losing your life, that you want four more years of disservice. you want to return to normal life, and trump did not deliver that tonight. so, yeah. he still lost. >> victoria?

>> so this was a debate where donald trump was speaking to his base. he went in to it knowing he was not going to pick up undecided voters, any of the voters in plano, texas, who say, i will vote for him. and he was speaking to his base, and his base lives in an alternative reality, they have trump googles for years and years and year, they have been told that everything that doesn't come out of the white house or the trump compaampaign the trump team is fake news. it's only real when it comes from donald trump, part of his team, fox news. so yes, he's lying and it comes natural to him. but think of the audience he was targeting, ari. it's a specific audience. he knew he had to speak to that faith. get them riled up. try to poke biden, see if he can

get him off balance. he didn't. but this is about speaking straight to the folks who have been with him through thick and thin. >> you said trump goggles. >> yeah, like beer goggles. >> the glasses look some what original. are they trump boggles? >> don't you dare. don't you bare, ari. >> they are pretty orange. they might be burnt orange. >> they are yellow glasses, for a hope and a ray of sunshine. when you have a president who is telling white supremacists to stand back and stand by, when you have a president who can't come up with a plan to leave the office decently. we have a man with no shame and no class residing at 1600 pennsylvania. these are not trump goggles at all. and i agree with my processer

colleague, yeah this is for his base. sometimes we under estimate so much white nationalism is in the foundation, and trump is tapped into it. and despite the economy, despite covid and how the president has run it in the ground there have people who will never leave him. he speaks a long they believe in. >> if you are dontrump and you on the debate stage and you put on trump goggle, it makes chris wa wallace look like alex jones. >> everyone looks like alex jones to him. >> and you have fablabbergasted when he asked real questions. and you have been a student of this, and chris wallace is getting scorched, not just by trump critics tonight. i myself haveconnect 1200 hmm.

christina? >> yeah, i did feel at times that biden was letting him just spin himself into butter at times. what is really disappointed, ari, someone in -- i know vicky and i talked about it in the

past. with you, ari. as soon who is trying to inspire a future generation to be interested in politics, to see the president of the united states behave in such a way, this isn't someone going to a dinner party and eating all the food. this is someone going to eat the food with their feet. that is how disgusting it was to see the president of the yith result to name calling. what have we decided about health care? about the 210,000 americans who have died from covid and the millions more who are in need of health care? because of the coronavirus? or the recession or unemployment? so i think the president did himself a disservice, but we need to be a little more macro. he did the country a disservice. i don't know if it's worry to turn into action or worried, they will be so paralyzed

because they are finally realizing the extend to which trump poses a danger to our democracy. >> that goes to the fact we are deep in the late night coverage. we have tried to cover several a aspects of it. we haven't done much time to bring up that the sitting president has brought up alleged drug use by the former vice president's son. this is not something that americans, i don't care which party they're in, think it's justified or classy. that is one of 17 things, victoria. >> specifically, family would be off limits when we're talking about politics. even when it gets rough and tumble and dirty. the family is off limits. but then again, in this new area, i'm not going to let too many things surprise me.

but the other point is, ari, trump tried to have his image of himself after helping folks out of the open opioid crisis. it was surprising from the policy standpoint where you can pull footage of him, you can pull speeches of him at different forums where he is talking about the opioid crisis and we have to deal with it in compassion and try to change the tone there on the issue of substance abuse, drugs and you hear him say this about biden's son. so, you know, it feels against everything we had known in the past about what is off limits

and what he is trying to brand himself as turning the corner on drug policy in the u.s. >> i have to it in a break. christi christina greer, i want to state for whom people who joined me late. you said you wore the glasses in tribute to trump tonight? do i have that right? >> you are one lucky guy that i am tuning in from not from 30 rock. from far, far away. the glasses represent -- >> professor, you often point out in ways we haven't thought of. >> there is another one, because it's zoom, i'm making it a safe distance. i want to 2456r7k thank -- agai twitter doesn't get everything. this a joke and the professor was not wearing it for that reason.

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we have been discussing and covering this e bait and it dominated the internet. i joined the tweeting and wrote, this first presidential debate of 2020 really feel like 2020. now, there was plenty of opinions. we will show you a buzz feed headline. the first biden-trump debate stressed everybody the heck out.

and the line about white supremacists. he said, bro, all they said was condemn white supremacists and this man started sweating. were plenty of opinions about chris wallace. the daily show saying it's a great reminder that kindergarten teachers are under paid. #debate2020. you are reminded how the actives of donald trump, really did track with and require the kind of moderating that people did with children. that is a straight forward challenge. now, rachel maddow suggested, perhaps we can also debate by mail. hillary clinton was part of msnbc's special coverage this evening. she was watching, and when

people were references how she felt about this, and how she could have wanted to tell him to shut up. she responded and said you have no idea. that is the first of these three debates. the other thing that comes through here when you look at all the reaction is that everyone is watching. one theme throughout that i want to mention as we wrap up our special coverage this is what donald trump apparently didn't want. he didn't want weighing in and fact checking him. he didn't want chris wallace from fox news -- that he made clear in the beginning of the debate, that he was against him too. he positioned himself as a victim of the onslaught and a ware time when tens of millions of americans, are held to account even as he went all over the place. now, before we end, we did want

to show an important moment that everyone can judge for themselves. donald trump asked by the moderator about pledging to follow the independent certification of the election. >> did you pledge tonight that you will not doe claire victory until the election has been independently certified? >> i can urging my supporters to go in the polls and watch very carefully. that is what has to happen. i am urging them to do it. i hope it's going to be a fair election. i am 100% on board. if i see tens of thousands of ballots manipulated, i can't go along with that. >> i can't go along with that. to turn a famous phrase, that is not what democracy looks like. i want to thank you for joining the late night coverage. you can find me online if you want to see what else we're

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good evening fo you at home once again. welcome to a special edition of the "the 11th hour." this was day 1349. 35 days until the presidential election. first of what we think will be three presidential debates for this 2020 campaign. is now history. such as it is. as expected it was contentious. but it went beyond that in to darkness. the candidates spent a lot of time arguing over within another.