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actors tampering our elections and he should reassure the public. we see the opposite of him. that concerns me. we have angry people and tense based and some are legitimate grievances and some are made up. this is a time to call for calm and exercise your vote and trusting that system will work and he's doing the opposite for us. >> olivia troye and elizabeth newman, i appreciate you both speaking to us. that's all for "all in." "the rachel maddow show" is with us. thank you, my friend. this is the front page. this is the "arre arizona repub
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and this is "the denver post," yelling and name calling. do you have "the boston globe"? chaos. here is "the l.a. times" today. interruptions. this is "the washington post" front page today. at the badebate plunging into fiery squabbling. and the all capital letters subheading there. trump interrupts and jeers ceaselessly. here is the front page of "the new york times." trump heckles, sends the debate
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into utter chaos, talk of policies and ideas drowned out. notice the theme? as much as it is true, the whole country is alarmed and weirded out and shocked by what that was last night. that form of discourse does not make much sense anymore if this is what the president is going to be like now. this led to the presidential debate commission today say they're going to change the rules to stop something like that from happening again. they're going to change the rules in time for the next debate. as much as the whole country is rocked and weirded out by what we saw there.
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apparently losing a key part of how we conduct ourselves as a democracy and how we have our candidates compete from the beginning of our republic. now we are going to have to give it up because of this guy? with the national shock and horror of that last night and the implications of it. even still something that big and shocking at the arkansas democratic gazette, the news of the debate has to share of what's going on. their main headline is about the heated debate. it has to split the billing. infections rising among children. this one on the far right column "atkins schools' chief dies of
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covid." he had to be put on a ventilator and he died yesterday. he was 57-years-old. the republican governor of arkansas forced all schools of the state to offered in-person classes five days a week. little rock teachers don't think this forced in-person thing is safe so they're staying home for a day. it is the seventh highest rate in the country. yeah in arkansas and at the arkansas democrat gazette. the president's debate disaster is right there on the front page just like it is everywhere. it has to be. it is necessarily is. it does have to share the bill
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of what goes on. same thing with wyoming. the "wyoming tribune eagle." they got their headline up there. they got their local headline, "spike in cases show virus is sticking around." the sticking around line is quote from the wyoming state department of health. locals in scheyenne had to clos down because of covid. across the country, here is kentucky. "the herald leader," here ises the main headline for lexington, kentucky, state reports 1,000 new covid cases. here is idaho, here is the front page of the "times." they got their front page story
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on the debate like everybody does. their column one is virus cases doubled the last four weeks. a snapshot of wisconsin. let's look at the journal sentence there. their column one, state reports crisis, 22% positivity, 22%. on the right, the madison paper. they got their debate story as well. page one headlines surged claiming more lives. cases have more than tripled. wisconsin is in a crisis. wisconsin is in a crisis. don't take his word for it if
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you don't want to. here is what the crisis looks like in terms of their case numbers now. look at the curve. that's very bad. they thought they went through their peak before june. look at where they are now. wisconsin hit a record number of covid deaths today. wisconsin also had a record number people hospitalized. here is the ap lead today. a new record for covid-19 deaths today. hospital officials in some parts of wisconsin says they were being closed to being overwhelmed. officials have been warning could happen since the pandemic began. case spikes in northern and north eastern wisconsin. officials at feta care in the fox valley in wisconsin had
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exceeded capacity in their covid-19 unit, they started sending patients from their app appleton center. chief medical officer telling the ap today if it is growing away in the past week or so, we are going to be in a dire situation. yes, we saw it coming but we did not expect for it to be so quite rapid. in warsaw, wisconsin, that hospital started putting patients on waiting list. there is a waiting list to get into the hospital. wait time ranging from several hours to a full day. that's warsaw, wisconsin, that hospital system had 61 patients today. that was a 30% increase from the day before. the ceo telling the press today, "the problem is how do we care for you when you had an accident
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when we have an over flow of covid patients," there is only so much you can do before you overwhelm the system. officials in green bay says their cases were 94%. green bay, wisconsin, is one of the places where president trump is hoping to hold a giant, mega rally this weekend. in green bay he wants to do that and also in lacrosse. the white house just this week warned wisconsin that the state is in terrible shape in terms of uncontrolled spread of the virus. the white house warning state officials this week that their case rate right now is more than doubled or tripled the national rate. because of that, the white house told wisconsin this week that
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the state's viral spread is so bad that the states need to increase social distancing to a maximum degree possible. washington post reports lacrosse and green bay were flagged by the white house as quote "red zones" where community spread is ramping. that's a white house's warning to wisconsin about lacrosse and green bay. lacrosse and green bay where the president is going this weekend to have his no distancing and everybody pack in and let's get thousands of people in rallies where they can boo the idea of wearing masks. that's this week. because of what the president is doing now and swing states, in some cases where the virus really is bad right now, they have to be thankful if they are
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in swaing states. states having a hard time right now and other red states, states where the trump campaign is confident they're going to win that they don't feel like they have to campaign right now. that had to be a sort of relief for public health officials, right? thinking all their dealing with covid and numerous states being stressed in terms of numbers and hospital capacity, how much of a relief must be if you don't have to get a visit next month from the president's super campaign caravan where he likes to pack thousands of people together as close as possible and tell them all they don't need to follow any advice they may have heard about social distancing or other wussy ideas that only democrats like. we have seen reports in the past week from missouri, also from idaho of rural hospitals being overwhelmed just like the hospitals in wisconsin are. because of the polling in missouri and idaho, i am
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guessing they're not likely to have president trump come visit, to pack thousands of maskless people. not being a swing state, some of these states right now is a minor epidemiology ical blessin. the president himself is holding events that nobody is holding. that's covid disaster. this is another one to watch, north dakota. the case is worst than wisconsin right now. they just lost their third state health director in four months. they gone through three of them in four months. this most recent one did not last four months in office. covid crisis is not going away on its own. a full-blown crisis have to
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share building with a covid crisis right now. it has to share building. i am not going to dwell too much on this next part of the news. i want to give you a little bit of heads up tonight of quiet rumblings we are starting to see about the cdc chief, potentially resigning sometimes soon. in the middle of all this as we are heading into what appears to be a new peak in cases and hospitalizations and deaths at this fall. the robert redfield this week wanted to extend a no-sail order on cruise ships. cruise ships immediately proved to be right up there with meat-packing plants and prisons as incubators of the spread of
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this virus. redfield wanted to extend the cruise ship sailing ban. "the new york times" is reporting not only did the cdc director wanted to extend the ban and not that he's over ruled by the white house when he sought to extend the ban. the cdc director is considered of resigning. he apparently thinks this cruise ship policy compromises the public's health. that's why i am raising these na flags rooight now. because this comes right at the hills of "the new york times" this week about the cdc advise of opening schools being over ruled or circumvented by the white house. that's what the white house wants and not what the cdc's
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scientists believe what's right for public health. this news comes on the hills of our reporting. director redfield ordering his own scientists to water down their recommendation on meat packing plant. "the washington post" is advancing that story reporting on concerns that robert redfield may have lied to congress when he was questioned about this meat packing a few days ago. we learned robert redfield asked tammy baldwin tonight if he can speak to her by phone which is an unusual thing for a cdc director asking for a personal conversation with the senator. it was senator baldwin who questioned him sharply. in congress under oath on his role in watering down the cdc's meat packing guidance. in terms of why people resign and why they end up staying with their job.
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the cdc's director succumbed pressure from the administration in the middle of the pandemic that killed 200,000 people already and gearing backup to see how many more of us can take and how quickly. it is bad enough they have been succumbing to pressure at the white house. the cdc's director lied to congress when he was asked. we don't know in director redfield had that call tonight with senator baldwin or reconsidering or changing his testimony to alleviate his concerns that he lied to congress. all that and his resignation, this is something to flag for you. i mean my personal take on this. god help us. robert redfield has been, really
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does seem to be a disaster as a cdc director at a time we need them to be phenomenal. god help us all the more if donald trump gets to pick someone new to run the cdc right now as he's barrelling towards his reelection effort. right now some fox news raidi radioloradiolo radiologists convinced us of coronavirus. god help us. i invoked god three times. i need to say something constructive. alongside all of this reporting that i just described, one thing that last story shows us that's good is that congress is
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apparently alive and kicking. congress is worrying about big stuff and about important things like science at the cdc being manipulated and screwed around with by the administration for political reasons and the cdc having such a weak director that he succumbed to pressure and changing his guidance for political purposes. it is a good sign that congress is pursuing that. and they're not taking what appears to be lies about that and they're holding people to account. accountability is good especially when it is on the big life-changing stuff. that's good. that's the reason not to be cheerful but reasons to be bolstered and hopeful in terms of the way things are supposed to work. there may be a new covid relief bill as soon as tomorrow.
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i will believer it when i see . this is reporting from the "politico." more than a quarter billion dollars they're planning to spend on ads to convince people that covid is all better now because trump's done such a good job. they made a list more than 30 celebrities including taylor swift and justin timberlake and billy joel to appear in their campaign ad inspiring hope about coronavirus. but they end up with a hullinger
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ssinger shulem lemmer. celebrities refused to participate. others point to an ill-prepared video team at a 22 political appointee who repeatedly asserted control despite having no public health expertise. interviews paint a picture of a chaotic event. if there is any effort that you want to be chaotic when it come to the coronavirus response, let it be the effort to spend a quarter billion dollars of t taxpayer's money on a celebrity campaign convincing you that trump is awesome about this. we are all going to be fine because trump is in charge.
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that quarter of a billion dollars plus taxpayers' funded campaign is apparently not going to happen. that's falling apart becaus because -- because a lot of things are bad but not everything is bad and sometimes the very, very bad ideas get exposed and people grow a spine and they stand up against them and those terrible ideas get beaten down and they do not get it in reality. another one from "the washington post." postal service workers quietly resist dejoy's changes. tell me more. postal workers quietly began to resist. mechanics in new york drew out the dismantling and removal of
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mail sorting machines until their supervisor gaior gave up order. in ohio postal clerks, cold prescriptions and benefit checks from bins to stalled mail to make sure they were delivered. some carriers ran late items out on their own time. pennsylvania, some postal co workers looking for any excuse to buy themselves enough time to finish their daily rounds. one postal worker telling "the post," i can't see any postal workers not bending those rules. be strengthen in your results today by friggin' postal service mechanics in new york. just not doing it. having a hard time getting around to it. when they got to take the mail sorting machines apart. be strengthened in your results.
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>> the debate disaster last night, that was an accident. that was not the president trying to have a debate and failing. if we all walk away from the basic fundamentals of our democracy, something like a presidential debate. if we all say oh, that's terrible. that's an s-show. that's a mess, that's unlistenable, i don't want anything to do with that, turn it off. it is understandable. your feelings about that is are shared more widely than you can possibly imagined. >> and talking about it in that way is rightfully, i think a strong rejoiner of this president in terms of making it a mess that it is a disaster and
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useless and worth turning offer. our reaction coast to coast all around the country, right? that reaction is also advantage to him. if he succeeds, in making americans believe politics is a disgusting argumentative display that nobody is worth arguing in it. that's why it makes him boring and abusive and denigrating and repellent. that's tactically o fficiant. that's what's happening to politi politics? i don't want anything to do with it. he can have it. that's what he wants. it does not hurt to be widely
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recognized as corrupt. that's disheartening and disgusting. it turns us all off of this mess. government's stupid, nobody needs specifics or experience to hold high level government jobs. why not give them to the guy who carries my golf clubs or my son or daughter-in-law. who cares about security clearances? none of this matters. this is all trash work. does not matter if you put trash people in these b jobs. it is all just a joke. he benefits when we devalue. he benefits when we think the rules of how this is supposed to happen, those are rules for suckers. regular orders of how we conduct
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ourselves as a democracy? he wants us the think that's antiquated. that regular order never existed and it was all a scam, it does not matter. it is boring and stupid and rigged and i am corrupt. why would anybody decent want to do with the system? leaders all around the world, that's why you see corruption and grossness and repellant behavior? behaviors to turn people off. that's why you see that stuff go hand in hand with authoritarian. it makes participation and normal politics something where no normal person wants to do. it makes something only the worst of us can stomach. the president tweeting today "last night debate was fun."
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in regular order in our democracy which is persisted for well over 200 years, right? we have presidential debates. we have presidential elections. we cast ballots including by mail and the votes get counted and that's how we determine who's president. this president believes he may know that he can't win under regular order. he can't win if all of those things happen. and so he wants us to believe that regular order does not apply this year. he's rendered it moot. and it would not be the way we choose the president of the united states, not this year. he wants us to give up on it. bolster yourself however you need to. learn more about what regular order is. in your state, do you know how electors are chosen? every state has its own laws and rules of how they choose electors that goes to the
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electoral college. do you know how electors are chosen in your state? now is a good time to find out? do you know how the election system is administered in your state? do you know who's getting a call? if people show up in a polling place and some where near you live and intimidating voters, who's going to get the call to respond to that to figure out what happens to the polling place that's been shutdown or rendered in effective by physical intimidation tactics? who's going to get those calls and make those decisions? these are notable things. these things are administered by the regular order of american elections. the president making it seems like we are not capable of holding debates anymore because presidents are not like that anymore is part of him telling us that american democracy does not apply this year.
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president trump was asked to condemn white supremacists.
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president trump declined to do that and he stood the proud boys to quote "stand back and standby. as you can imagine that particular extremist group loved that and ate it up. they called the president's comment "historic" and members called it a tactic endorsement and they are making merchandise out of the president's words already. beyond the rhetorical shock that the president delivered there along the line of him praising both sides of the neo-nazis rally early in virginia. kathleen bloom, responded powerfully to the president's comment last night saying this. "people working in monitoring and deradicalization or otherwise studying white power
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groups are sounding red alerts and sending emergency signals. major mass casualties. there is no way thinking that strategy will change. we are talking about the movement responsible for the oklahoma city bombing, the largest mass casualty event between pearl harbor and 9/11. it continues largely unconfronted. we are decades or if not generations into this problem. a green light of stand back and standby from the president is catastrophic. joining us now is kathleen belew. she's the author of the book "bring the war home." professor belew thank you so much for making the time.
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>> thank you so much for having me. >> i am going to be honest telling you whether or not to have you on, not because i have any doubts about you but i worry by airing this topic more and promoting the president's remarks on it by talking about them and reacting to them, i am worried that we are advancing some of the worst implications of his actions here. can you talk to me about how you measure that out whether or not there is risk in amplifying this stuff and how you balance and talking about it and figure out what it means. >> that's the ethical problem at the heart understanding this move a lment at all. we are talking about a movement that has done an enormous amount of damage to politics. there is a real impact of coverage. we see a rise in militia group
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activities. any after math of the oklahoma city bombing because of all of the coverage of the event. here is the thing, if we don't talk about it, we are in the same place we were before the debate and oklahoma city and before charlottesville and all of these actions and every time we lose lives to this movement without taking actions confronted, we lose against direct attacks on american democracy. and so by that i mean is not just about the proud ways. they are going to pick up twitter followers and get attention because of this story. it would be a huge mistake to think about this, just about the proud boys. what we are seeing is rising tide of white powered activities with proud boys and the base with people who we misunderstand often as lone wolf actors when
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they are apart of a group. we have not done the work of confronting it and we can't without shining a light on what's happening. >> last night when this moment in the debate arrives, vice president biden, christopher wray has been blunt with congress and talking about the risk of white power and white supremacist movement and the president under cut that and talked it down. we have seen fbi intelligence report dated yesterday warning of a violent extremist threat from these people organizing around the idea of a second civil war. do you see anything within the actions of the trump administration that indicate that the administration of
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government, law enforcement, the intelligence research should be brought to bear against threats like this have been compromised or hurt or polluted in any way by the president's sympathy for these groups? >> absolutely, you don't need to me to tell you this. you just need to look at whistle blowers. these are people who dedicated their lives to securing american democracy one way or another and in many cases they are doing their best but without administrative will. they can't get this job done. this is the long story of the white power movement. we are talking about a group of activists that have been creating a violent threat to americans since the late 1970s. we largely failed to prosecute it through criminal trials and changes and things like military policies. we largely failed to describe it
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and even to scattered showeours. the fact that people don't know the oklahoma city bombing was the work of a social movement. it is the largest you know domestic terror threat to americans into the present. it is just evidence, this is deeply in grained in our collecti collecti collective consciousness, they're carrying out massive casualties over and over again. that activity is only going to go up in the months to come. >> professor kathleen belew, and the author of "bring the war home," it unnerves me that your area of expertise is so relevant right now. we are lucky to have you talk about it. thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> alreadwe'll talk to a senatos
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grappling publicly with what should be done about the president's remarks on other topics. senator cory booker is going to join us live, next. stay with us. stressballs gummies have ashwagandha, an herbal stress reliever that helps you turn the stressed life... into your best life. stress less and live more. with stressballs. monitoring patients in hospitals around the world so that doctors and nurses can make sure you feel safe. as new challenges have arisen, we've grown to bring that same safety and support to the place that you want to be most. together.
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now is the wrong time to raise taxes on californians. vote no on prop. 15. here we are in the united states of america where the current fbi director where the past fbi director are both saying unequivocally that we are facing a threat of domestic terrorism and clearly saying the words of the president of the united states is not calming and unifying and bringing us together and condemning this, is inciting to youse your words that's spraying gasoline on the fire of hatred going into an election where he's talking to people and inviting them to do things like show up at polling
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sites to take action. sto standby. i don't understand how we don't see it as what it is. we are in the verge of seeing a real thread to our fundamental democratic ideals and the smooth election processes which have been frankly a hallmark of our country in our recent history. this is a dangerous moment in time. it is a frighten moment in time and we know what happened in san antonio, texas. a number of occasions where people were carrying out these actions invoking the words of the president of the united states. this is a frightening time for america. >> joining us now is senator cory booker. senator thank you for being
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here. i know it is a long day and night already. >> thank you, rachel. >> i am tired so this is radical honesty night on the show which is dangerous. i wanted to know how you are handling the gravity of what's going on here. i heard you speak about it in a way that it is weighing on you. i want you to know how you are doing and how the american people should feel at this moment. >> from orlando to charleston and pittsburgh, we know the number one cause of terrorism since 9/11 had been right wing extremist groups motivated by white supremacy. we have a president inviting them to be engaged in this election and whipping them up with his language.
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we have warning from the fbi about the rise of this kind of terrori terrorism. >> this election donald trump seems to be whipping folks up, it is as i said in that clip is a frightening time. we have to start taking action and i will tell you that there are a lot of local leaders who understand they have take action and as a result of donald trump's language, mayors begin to make public statements. 1981, there was a gubernatorial case where people sent to polls to intimidate people with weapons and checking identification and doing things in minority area to try to scare people. we have a president now that as soon as that consent decree is
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resulted from that horrible part of our history, a consent decree where republican party could not do those activities. there are a lot of things when you start to add them together with a president who's saying clearly, this election if i lose is rigged. he's telling his supporters this is a rigged election. he's not saying he'll submit to a peaceful transfer of power. this is a danger moment in our country. we should be calling it out, it is chaotic and rampaging and will say anything except to condemn the white supremacy that's threatening this country right now. >> senator booker, if you would not mind holding. i need to take a quick break. i would like to talk to you of what you just raised there that
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back with us is u.s. senator corey booker of the great state of new jersey. senator, you today called this is frightening time and a dangerous time for our country. i agree. one of the reasons why, i think, is because the president keeps promising that we, the voters, won't be allowed anymore starting this year to decide if he stays in power to be president. he keeps saying this decision is going to be decided in the courts. it is one thing for him to say stuff like that, but i feel like your republican colleagues in the senate are starting to echo the president on that. and i wanted to know if you think that is a problem or if
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that's just politics. >> no. there is all kind of problems with that. people should be deciding this election. you have a president that's saying the fix is in. it's going to be decided by a supreme court, and that's why i need to nominate this justice. so he is rushing this through in record time to put a third one of his justices on. and she will potentially preside over the case that he tries to bring before the supreme court. this is one of the urgent reasons why that his nominee needs to recuse herself should she be appointed. she should recuse herself for the legitimacy of the court and for the sake of our democracy. he is trying to rig this in a way that the advantages lie with him, with the court that he created. >> senator corey booker of new jersey. sir, it is nice of you to make
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time to be with us tonight. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. you don't get much time for yourself.
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more dangerous and corrupt president than trump. he's harming our basic values, giving rise to hate, and he's selling out america to big corporations. i'm working to protect immigrants, women, communities of color, and lgbtq people. and i'm making corporations like pg&e and insurance companies play by our rules. we need experienced leadership to wipe away trump's stain on america for good. for the past week, one of the ways the president has been spreading misinformation about voting, about mail-in ballots is a specific incident in pennsylvania where a handful of ballots that were reportedly cast for him were discarded. he says this is proof of fraud. he brought it up twice during last night's debate, repeating
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it and saying these ballots showed democrats are wholesale trying to steal the election. well, today pennsylvania's top election official said the incident wasn't actually fraud at all. pennsylvania secretary of state saying today that it appears that a temp who hadn't yet received enough training made an honest mistake. a different state election official explained that sometimes military and overseas ballots come in envelopes not clearly marked as ballots. this new worker didn't know that and didn't consult with anybody before accidentally tossing those ballots. pennsylvania secretary of state says an investigation is still ongoing but based on what it appears to look like, it is just a, quote, bad error and not systemic voter fraud to deny the president a second term. still unresolved this question of why the justice department took the very unusual step of commenting on this as an ongoing investigation and why attorney general bill barr