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welcome to thursday. it's "meet the press daily." i'm chuck todd. worried, alarmed, afraid, panicked. just 33 days to go, republicans are once again forced to confront their awkward embrace of president trump and the wake of this week's debacle of a debate performance which, among other lowlights provided violent far right groups with a presidential rallying cry. as the republican worries intensified, president trump was given multiple opportunities to directly and unequivocally condemn the violent right wing neofascist group the proud boys. but he seemingly just couldn't bring himself to do it. >> i don't know who proud boys are, but whoever they are, they have to stand down. let law enforcement do their work. >> mr. president, did you misspeak when you said stand by? that's my question. >> just stand by. look, law enforcement will do the work. they're going to stand down.

they have to stand down. everybody. they have to -- whatever group you're talking about. let law enforcement do the work. now, antifa is a real problem because the problem is on the left. >> at this morning's white house briefing, fox news's john roberts pressed the white house asking kay leigh mcnanly if she would say the president denounces white supremacist and groups that espouse it in all their forms. >> just to clear it up this morning, can you make a declarative statement that the president denounces it. >> i just did. the president has denounced it repeatedly in the past. you are contriving a story line -- >> i'm just asking you to put this to rest. >> i just did. i read you all of the -- >> you read past quotes. so kayleigh, can you right now denounce white supremacy and

the -- >> i just did. white supremacy, the kkk and hate groups in all forms. his record on this is unmistakable and it's shameful that the media refuses to cover it. >> if you watch this show yesterday, that was a familiar exchange wasn't it? so far the republican response to the president's comments have been an awkward dance of rebuke, and embrace. here's mitch mcconnell yesterday afternoon. >> i want to associate myself with the remarks of tim scott that he put out earlier today. i think he said it exactly correctly and that's exactly how i would express myself on that issue. >> what are those remarks? can you explain what tim scott said that you endorse? >> yeah, he said it was unacceptable not to condemn white supremacists. and so i do so in the strongest possible way. >> -- stand by and stand back. was that appropriate for him to

say that specifically about the proud boys? >> yeah, i think i just answered that question. anyone else? >> the hand wringing from republicans comes as the president's campaign is reeling. they are trailing in the polls and they are being just pounded on the air waves by the biden campaign. trump is being outspent in battleground states by more than a 2 to 1 margin. and we're going to dive into these numbers in a moment. just in the month of september this advantage. we've seen this movie so often from republicans. and it usually ends with them fully backing the president when push comes to shove. but is this round of hand wringing difficult? this close to the election? it's a question of major importance as we inch closer to election day that the president is clearly expecting to lose. in his recent behavior it clearly signals he's willing to take drastic and desperate measures to try to cling to power. joining me outside the white house is nbc's carol lee and peter baker for "the new york times" and an msnbc political analyst. brendan buck, a former top

adviser to house speaker paul ryan and john boehner and steve kornacki at the big board with more on the massive campaign ad spending divide. let's begin at the white house. carol lee, carol, it does seem as if, you know, there's so many rules of crisis management but a simple one is sometimes, you know, just rip the band-aid off and they've let this story on white supremacists linger a second day. frankly, it's campaign malpractice which tells me this is the president who is being stubborn on this. >> yeah, chuck. it certainly seems that way that he is digging in on this. he doesn't want to come out and say that he misspoke or said something wrong. kayleigh mcenany was asked this by not just john roberts but wouldn't definitively say what i think the questioners were looking for, reporters were asking is just to say, yes, to say, yes, i denounce, and the

president denounces white supremacy. part of the reason why this, i think, chuck, is -- continues to be an issue is because we all know what it looks like when president trump wants to denounce something. and this isn't it. he on any given issue makes crystal clear on -- where he stands on something that he opposes. and we just haven't seen that same sort of sledgehammer that he takes to anyone that he or anything that he is against, and having used that against rhetorically against white supremacy. we haven't seen that same emphasis from him on this issue and that's in part why this continues to be something that has legs. they're pointing to the president's past statements. yesterday he was asked this and said, sure. it's not this definitive robust sort of denouncement that you would expect from the president of the united states. and you'd expect from a president who is in a campaign and that has this story hanging over him for now two days.

>> i am curious, as -- do they accept -- does the campaign accept the idea that this debate set them back? we know the president told his rally, i won and jason miller was on here yesterday. touting fan polls, internet polls which, of course, aren't scientific. every scientific poll seems to indicate it wasn't even that close. that the perception was the president really lost this debate. does the campaign know this? >> yeah, and privately, that's just not what they are saying. a number of the president's allies and advisers are worried what happened at the debate, what they described as in shock, some of them, over particularly the president's comments about proud boys. when you're coming out of the first debate where the stakes are really high for the president, you need to turn the trajectory of this race around and you heard the allies saying the best outcome they could hope for is they didn't lose any votes. that's not really say the president won in that debate.

and the president is getting, as is typical, different advice from different advisers. some are telling him to just plow ahead. don't change course. don't retreat on anything that you said. and just continue to be yourself in the next debate and on the campaign trail. and there are others who are saying, you know, they want him to try to do something to change it up and when it comes to the next debate. they do think the next debate would be a better venue for the president because he's going to be asked questions by people in the audience, not necessarily just a moderator. yes, that's what some of his advisers have said to us. but, you know, the one thing that is true, and they also would really like the president, particularly, to just let joe biden talk. that's one thing you hear consistently. the president gave joe biden a number of off ramps where he wasn't pinned down on things, and they want him to just talk more and let them have the president talk less. at the same time, all of them acknowledge the president does not want to be told what to say

or what to do, and he's going to approach it how he wants to. >> peter baker, you know, at this point, does it feel as if this -- joe biden didn't have a great debate performance, but donald trump didn't give him the chance to have a good one or a bad one. in some ways, did donald trump rescue joe biden? >> well, donald trump did what he didn't want to do which is to make it all about him. he may have wanted to do that, but the necessity at this stage of the campaign is turn it from a referendum on trump, which he's been losing, into a choice between him and biden and show why biden isn't acceptable alternative. nobody had a chance to really evaluate biden because all we heard was president trump. and every commentary, every review, every discussion about the debate was about president trump rather than about vice president biden. so in that sense, he lost an opportunity to transform this race into something he wants it to be or should want it to be, which is why the other guy isn't

qualified or isn't acceptable as an alternative to me. >> peter, you have a theorys too why the president can't bring himself to denounce supremacists? this is a four or five-year pattern with him. >> it is. that's an easy smack out of the park question to answer. it's not hard. it's not a trick question. it's not a reporter's trick question. it really is basic. no, the fact he has consistently responded in the way you saw the other night from charlottesville all the way through tuesday, indicates that he is uncomfortable with the idea of alienating anybody who supports him. that he feels if he is too full-throated, he's going to turn away voters, and he can't afford to do that. this is a problem for the republican party. a lot of other republicans have spent time trying to diversify

and reach out beyond, you know, into the nonwhite part of america which is a growing demographic and this is a real concern for republicans who would like to grow the party, not shrink it. >> and this always sets back those efforts. i'm sure brendan, i know -- i've had these conversations with you about the efforts when you were with the speaker, with speaker ryan in trying to do that outreach and how it would get undermined at times. is the hand wringing for real this time? >> yeah, i think it's hand wringing but also just confusion. you don't have to have a sophisticated political antenna to understand that condemning white supremacy should be easy. i think mitch mcconnell there, sometimes it's hard to tell what mitch mcconnell's emotions are. that was a perturbed mitch mcconnell. they don't want to be talking about this. he's got to be frustrated. look at -- he's trying to hold on to his majority. and look, today you're seeing they're having to come in and spend money in south carolina. that tells you the political

shift that's taking place. places that should be for republicans to hold on. they are seeing voters running away and they're so frustrated that something like that -- we always talk about the president and his flirting with white supremacy. we're political junkies, we're very online. but this is the first time where you've got the majority of the voting public tuned in and see the president presented very clearly with a question. can you condemn white supremacy? and he struggles with it. that is so confounding, and i think most people, they just can't make -- i think peter is absolutely right. he doesn't want to sell anybody who supports him that they are bad. in his mind, if you are for him, you are good, and that is the only way he thinks. everybody else, that's just crazy. >> so brendan, what does lindsey graham say in this final month to these voters that maybe are ready to punish him over trump? >> i think he's got to change

the subject. the supreme court race, supreme court confirmation will be helpful for him. talk about something where he's got a strong record. i think if republicans were smart, they would be trying to get a coronavirus response bill passed right now. they seem to be about to walk away without getting something done. here's an opportunity to stop a bunch of layoffs about to happen. do something that reminds people that you are governing and trying to improve people's lives. it would be nice for the president if he can turn this into a choice election. i just don't think that's possible at this point. i think this is going to be a referendum. i think you talked about this. his job approval is so low that it's really hard to win re-election. he has to do some things to remind people that he's a governing president who can get some things done. those are two things that should be focused on. >> but here's a problem that i'm about to show you with steve kornacki. and, steve, so you just heard what brendan says the president needs to do. but he's got a problem.

he doesn't have front-runner money. he doesn't have incumbent money. it's joe biden that is just pounding him in the air waves. we've got a great state-by-state breakdown. walk us through it. >> a couple of ways to look at these numbers. this is the big picture view. this is the entire campaign, trump/biden going back to the end of march when biden emerged as the democratic nominee. biden campaign, television radio ads versus trump. more than $100 million more. biden, when first locking down the democratic nomination, didn't have a lot of money. it came flooding in once he became the democratic nominee. what you see here, this is labor day on. this is basically the last month. now you're just seeing -- look at the disproportion here. nearly $130 million from biden in the last month. not even $50 million from trump in the last month. so that disparity has really opened up here after labor day. and then you say, get into some of these states here.

look, it's about a 2 to 1 biden ad spending advantage in north carolina. those ratios are going to jump here. look at michigan. it's about 4 to 1 in michigan here. remember that state trump won by about 12,000 votes in 2016. and then pennsylvania, look at this. it's about 5 to 1, biden over trump. just massive disparities here. one thing probably point out here. it's fair to keep in mind if you go back to 2016 around this time, trump was not the incumbent president but this was post labor day at this point. there was a massive disparity then, too. >> there was. but it's a different type. brendan buck, before i let you go. you see those financial disparities. how do the republicans catch up this month? >> yeah, that's a great question. and some of these states that we've always considered the battleground states is starting to feel like they are out of touch. this is starting to feel like

it's -- the president is running out of time. there are very few events that can change the direction of the campaign. i think the president has obliterated the idea of the october surprise. something that can happen and change the debate. i don't know what would really -- what he can do other than a strong debate performance and the last two chances he has. otherwise, it's looking like it could be a real runaway for biden. >> the problem is, there's only one first debate and that already happened. carol lee, peter baker, brendan buck and steve kornacki, thank you all for getting us started. a last-ditch effort on capitol hill. you heard brendan refer to it to get some sort of covid relief for the americans. the president prepares to defy his science advisers and head to one of the hottest of covid hot spots. it's officially in a red zone according to the coronavirus task force. first, we're excited to announce the "meet the press" film festival is back with afi.

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welcome back. right now we believe house speaker nancy pelosi and treasury secretary steve mnuchin are speaking by phone on the terms of a potential coronavirus relief bill. pelosi told reporters that she remains optimistic a deal could get done but the source tells nbc news the speaker sounded frustrated about the status of

negotiations during a conference call earlier this morning. and that frustration comes as the labor department reports that once again, another 800,000 americans filed for first-time unemployment benefits last week. and as airlines prepare to furlough 50,000 employees starting today, additional federal aid basically ran out the end of the third quarter. that's why these layoffs have to begin. as the president plans to hold rallies in a hot spot of wisconsin, a study finds president trump to be the single largest driver of coronavirus misinformation. insert deep sigh. in a moment i'll speak to a former member of the coronavirus task force who says the president is telling the american people the exact opposite of what his medical experts are telling him. first, let's start on capitol hill where we have garrett haake for the latest on these relief negotiations. garrett, look, the -- all of us old hands of the hill, this feels like they are just trying to figure out how to admit that they can't come to an agreement but is there a fig leaf of hope?

>> as you said, i do think there may be an element of, if this is going to fall apart for good or for good until the next -- until the election is over, who is going to be held responsible for it? nobody wants to be the last person holding that hot potato. pelosi said in her news conference today, five or six times, described herself as optimistic, as hopeful. and it's hard to see exactly where that optimism is coming from. they've now run through the last deadline that could have forced action. the idea they have to get something done before the end of september to stave off those airline furloughs and layoffs announced today. now we're looking at a house set to go out to come home and campaign over the next month and really that may be the only remaining deadline. can they vote on something before they all go home? i asked speaker pelosi in her news conference today whether she sees this as the last opportunity they'll have before the election. here's what she told me. >> i am hopeful that they can produce something. i never say this is the last

chance until election day. although that's 33 days away. because of the needs of the american people, i just think at some point they'll have to know that the american people have these needs. >> the second half of that sound bite was her answer when i expressed my cynicism about why she feels so hopeful saying the needs of the american people. this has been the driving belief for democrats. the situation gets so bad that the white house and senate republicans would realize they have to up their ante here to really address the full scope of the problem. but even today, as my colleagues have been talking to senate republicans, it's not clear they would go along with any bill that goes as high as what pelosi is proposing right now. and the president remains awol on this. really not weighed in on any major way to lean on his members to go one way or the other. we're left in the same position we've been in really since the beginning of august. >> that's something i want to clarify. the president is nowhere to be

found here. yet to lean on mcconnell. he's not made a -- not lifted a finger with senate republicans who i believe aren't even willing to support what mnuchin is willing to support at 1.6, right, garrett? >> this has been part of the confusion up here is, who does secretary mnuchin speak for? a lot of senate republicans aren't willing to go so far as he's been willing to go. it's unclear exactly what the president has been willing to support. in the past he's tweeted the republicans need to go big but he's shown no particular interest in any of the details here. that's not new when it comes to congressional negotiations. but we're talking about the possibility of directing potentially trillions of dollars into the economy weeks before he's up for re-election and the fact that he's not weighing in on republicans to say this could help all of us is striking in and of its own right. he's a nonfactor in these negotiations. >> this has been the strangest political decision by the republican party. nothing about this makes sense to walk away from doing relief. none of that makes sense.

garrett haake, thank you. i don't think anybody is voting on the deficit this year. with me is olivia troye, the former top aide to mike pence, former member of the white house coronavirus task force. you may know her since she left the administration. she -- it was kind of a big deal to a lot of people in the administration, and she has since endorsed joe biden. olivia troye, thank you for coming on. i want to ask you about what we learned today from this cornell university study. this idea that it is the president himself that is essentially responsible for 38% of the overall misinformation conversation. first, does that surprise you? >> it doesn't at all. it's what i have been saying from day one when i decided to speak out so bluntly. it's exactly what i saw every single day. we would meet as a task force, and the president would go out and say something very contradictory to what the experts and the doctors were

telling him. and quite frankly, it was dangerous. and it was complete misinformation from the number one person who had the largest platform to speak from. >> you know, it's interesting to see, i'm curious if you can help us sort of explain the way -- i'm going to play a quote from admiral bret giroir on with hallie jackson and how he tried to navigate this issue with the president. take a listen. >> the president, i think he's come out and said mask wearing is very important. he's supported our increase in testing efforts. we just had an effort in the rose garden, a new event supporting testing. he's been supportive of the issues we need to bring forward. we all need to double down on having better communication, including myself and we're going to strive to do that. >> so translate, olivia. he was being very delicate

there. we've heard it, too. you could tell he was trying to say certain things and try to not say certain things. >> i think that's a prime example of the struggle that the doctor and members of the task force faced on a daily basis. i know admiral giroir well. i've seen him do everything he can to get testing back on track. but he is -- that's a prime example of trying to tell the american public that things that really matter and the truth while trying not to get fired the next day for telling the truth. so he's walking a fine line. he's trying not to overstep because he knows he'll hear about it on the back end. >> so i think you left really as scott atlas was coming in, and your overlap with him has been -- it's very limited. but based on what you're understanding and i'm sure you're still in touch with many people on the task force, has he become a divisive figure on the task force, and has he prevented

the task force from speaking with one voice? >> quite frankly, i'm actually glad i did not cross paths with him. i think it would have increased my frustration that was already at a high level, if i would have seen him in these debates, and from what i've seen, he's been difficult. he's a difficult course to navigate for the rest of the people who are experts on the task force. and he tends to be the loudest voice in the room right now because he's the one that has the president's ear and that's very unfortunate. >> what would you tell another member of the task force who came to you looking for advice and says, am i -- particularly one of the scientists. am i better resigning publicly and sending the message that way, or do i continue to try to work from within? what would be the advice you would give?

>> well, being completely candid and honest with you, i have had that conversation very recently with people that are still there working on the task force. and my advice has been to -- i think the important thing is to really take a step back and if you think that you can still make a difference and be a voice in the room for good when it really matters and protect also perhaps the people back at your agencies because, honestly, i think it's a hard decision for every individual there of thinking, if not them, then who? and what would follow after that? and for me in some of those key roles, switching to a person i know has integrity, for somebody else who may not do the right thing and may do, you know, whatever the president wants them to do, to fit his message, would be dangerous. even more so. >> that's the trap.

what you just described has been the trap of many of folks, whether it was the john kellys, the jim mattis, where they didn't know is it better to stay or go because you don't know what comes after you. i mean, is -- how much of that has been a motivator of people staying? when you are sitting there in the trenches and know how hard this dynamic is and what it's like and some in his inner circle and you think about someone else taking on the role and what could happen then. on issues of important things like vaccines or therapeutics or major policy decisions happening now in a major crisis. that's something that everyone struggles with. when you are a patriot or expert in your field. i come from the national security field and i've watched many people that i've worked for and that have mentored me along the way struggle with the

decision in that role as well. >> olivia troye, of course, a former aide to -- a detail to vice president pence but a nonpolitical appointee. that's important for folks to realize and understand. thanks for coming on and explaining your perspective. really appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. up next -- the president's red zone rallies. we're going to talk to a frontline doctor in wisconsin about the big surge in cases in her state as the president prepares to draw huge crowds in some of the worst parts of the states right now for the virus. stay with us. we made usaa insurance for this season. and the veterans that never quit on their team. when being a fan gets tough, and stretching your budget gets even tougher... ...our agents put in the time and legwork for you, ...so saving on auto insurance is easy.

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the president believes that people have a first amendment right to political speech. he's having a rally. people can choose whether or not to come. there really seems to be two standards of health in the country. one for trump supporters and one for everyone else. >> welcome back. that was white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany earlier today defending president trump's upcoming rallies in wisconsin, which are against the wishes of local officials in areas that his own coronavirus task force is reportedly designating as red zones, meaning they are in the worst position for the virus. in a document obtained by "the washington post," they warned that wisconsin is one of the highest rates of increasing cases and recommended the maximum social distancing along

with other public health measures. you know what those are. wear your masks all the time. wisconsin is one of 28 states right now seeing coronavirus increases with cases surging nearly 90% over the last two weeks. hospitalizations in wisconsin are also at an all-time high for the ninth day in a row and several hospitals are warning they are nearing capacity. dr. nazia joins me. she's an infectious disease expert. doctor, where the president is going, green bay and lacrosse in particular, are seeing -- this is, i think, the part of the state that seems to be in the worst shape. i mean, could you pick a worse place to hold a big rally right now? >> i think there couldn't be a worse time and a worse place for this. this is a decisive moment for wisconsin. right in the throes of the pandemic and to limit the social

gatherings is so crucial. >> what should be the rules right now in the state? i'll be honest with you. i feel like it's been a mess. part of it is there's been a political fight, there's been lawsuits. based on your expertise in this field on infectious diseases, what do you wish the current set of rules were for the state? >> i think, you know, a coordinated set of strategies that are reliably and consistently enforced without mixed messages is what's needed. we know we had success early on in the pandemic when it allowed -- now until recently, the physical mobility levels here and elsewhere have reached pre-covid levels. and without any kind of intervention to change that, it seems unlikely that the cases will decline the way we wish they would. >> so tell me -- i mean, tell me about the hospital

infrastructure, particularly, i read yesterday green bay was at a 94% capacity on hospitalizations right now. and if things get worse, i mean, what happens next? >> you know, i think since march, most health systems have taken grade strides to improve their capacity. but it's still a limited resource. it needs to be preserved for the sickest of the sick that need the health care system to take care of them. the best way to do that would be to limit cases in the community so overall numbers go down. health systems are at the brink of teetering. things may be okay right now but the virus spreads expotentially. it wasn't take much to go from 10 cases to 100, for instance. >> have you -- what's your best understanding of what accounts for this current surge? do you believe it's the -- this is basically labor day, school openings, all of that wrapped together and that you can't pin

it on one thing but it's the collective? is that the best guess as to what accounts for this current surge? >> i think largely it's going to be hard to relate it to one single inciting event. the idea is the virus is in the population and how it came to be so is less relevant right now. i think right now what we're seeing is it's everywhere. it initially might have started with a particular demographic or particular age group more so than others but at the moment, that's not what's we're seeing. once it's reached a tipping point, it's in the entire population, i think the expected trajectory is quite predictable. other states have seen it and we're likely to see it, too. >> ginven where we are, do you feel like wisconsin is two weeks away from another critical breaking point? three weeks? how soon do you fear this breaking point is coming, if nothing is done? >> i think if nothing is done,

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welcome back. they hoped to postpone the steelers game by just a day or two. the titans reported two additional positive covid tests bringing the total of positive tests for that team up to 11 between both players and staff. the nfl is pushing the matchup to a yet to be announced date later in the season. let's bring in our own sam brock. he's the latest on how the nfl is dealing with this outbreak. it's interesting. baseball and basketball both seem to have -- the nba and mlb seem to have, if x happens you do this and if y happens you do this. i take it the nfl doesn't have a strict sort of -- well, if this happens then definitely x. they seem to be playing this one by ear. >> well, there's certainly protocols if players or staff members test positive. they are immediately isolated and there's intensive contact

tracing that hand from that point onward. in terms of when is this next game going to be played it would be accurate this is all going on, on the fly right now. i say that because, yesterday, chuck, the nfl issued a statement, declaratively saying this titans/steelers game would be played on monday or tuesday. 24 hours later they push it off to some later date during the season. what happened between then and now? the upshot is there's no declarations in the age of covid. they have more positive tests. up to five players on the roster that have tested positive in the last week. sixth person if you include the fact a linebackers coach tested positive on saturday. it's actually 12 members of the organization on four different days returning positive tests. the flip side of this is that the minnesota vikings, the titans opponent this past weekend, have so far reported zero positive tests. they are back in their facility and it appears their game against the texans is moving forward. we heard from coach vabrel talking about how this affected his players. many are experiencing flu

symptoms right now. the nfl made this decision. they were not looking into the titans for input on where to go from here. they've been following the rules for safety, very carefully. here's what he had to say. >> we're in a pandemic. unfortunately, things happen. john and i feel comfortable that since receiving the protocols in august, we followed those by the letter that we were conscious of everything we did. this is a very unfortunate situation, but one that we're confident that we will be able to handle safely with the football team, the players' best interest in mind. >> and certainly the best comparison among professional sports, nonbubble sports has got to be major league baseball. you mentioned this a second ago. the miami marlins had 20 positive tests right out of the gate at their restart for the baseball season and lo and behold, two months later and

they are in the playoffs. i know you have south florida roots, chuck. that team -- >> i know. >> they have won a world series if they win again tonight, it's yu darvish and the cubs. they'd go on to the next round. it's 2020. who knows what's going to happen. >> a, who knows and, sam, i feel sorry for the cubs. i know the second they found out they were matched up against the marlins they were going, not again. they -- every time it seems like when the cubs get eliminated, somehow it's the marlins that do it. sam brock down in south florida for us. thank you. up ahead -- we're going to check in with chris jansing. she has a fascinating conversation to share with us with a group of ohio voters. a passionate discussion on the voters' views of the president. one of the biggest events of the election season is going virtual. the al smith dinner. it will be tonight. but it's online only. so we don't get to see, you know, the stand-up comedian president trump versus joe

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welcome back. more signs this week's debate did not go well for the trump campaign. the biden campaign has confirmed they raised $24.1 million yesterday. >> with an additional $10 million between 9:00 and midnight on debate night. that's more than $30 million from the debate alone. and in comparison, the trump campaign has not shared their hauls and they're usually quick to tout those numbers when they're good. >> after the chaos of tuesday's debate, our own chris jansing stuck around in her home state of ohio to get some reactions from voters, and she joins me now from lorain, ohio. chris, i know you have found a fascinating greoup of people. >> yeah, we wanted to talk to union workers baz as you know, entire books were written about the support for donald trump among noncollege educated white men. look what happening. this is the old b & o railroad, down for a long time, but the promise this was going to be a

commuter rail. never happened. just this may, the last 250 workers at the u.s. steel plant here lost their jobs. and since 2016, the actual gap between what's happening with the deficit has grown, actually. so the question for me was, how are union workers now feeling. i sat down with two guys from the uaw, another former steel worker, and what they told me, well, they gave me an earful. >> one of the reasons he appeals to me is because he thinks bigly. he gets moving in a big way to make big projects. >> but the problem is you're believing the lie of a liar. i have two friends of mine that said they were sucked in by someone that they thought was going to change the country. and they said he did. he made it worse. and they can't wait to get him out. but i think down in the lower reaches, where the guys are doing the work, hitten the buttons, making the machines roll, those guys are solid trump

because he's tough. he's tough. he's strong for america. and he's making america great again. >> i make probably some place between 20 and 25 calls a day to retirees, and i'm going to tell you what, there's not a dag gone one of them that like donald trump. >> i think there's a lot of secret sitting back. they go to work, they take care of their kids and they'll be showing up on the 3rd of november. >> i think it's the opposite. there's a silent majority that's going to vote for joe biden that isn't going to vote for donald trump this time. >> i don't think there's a secret republican group for votes. i think joe's going to win by a landslide, and that's what i think. >> these guys are friends. interesting kind of conversation. trade deficit was the phrase i was looking for. worse now in ohio than it was back in 2016. having said all that, one of the things you find out as you talk to voters here and in some of the other battleground states is those folks who are firmly in

trump's corner are not going anywhere. none of the arguments that their other guys made to them changed john's opinion at all. so that's where we are. that's where we are. the gap closing, not closing all the way. and both sides questioning whether or not there are a lot more voters on their side than the polls actually show. >> chris, keep those phone numbers for those gentlemen. i want to hear from them again. they were fantastic. they need a tv show, the first two guys for sure. they could create an argument podcast, but they're terrific. keep track of those guys. let's visit with them as the election gets closer. great work in lorain, ohio. and thank you all for being with us this hour. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily," and be sure to catch a new episode of "meet the press reports." this week, we're taking an in depth look at a single day of the 2016 election and why it changed the entire race and maybe the entire presidency.

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good afternoon. i'm katy tur. it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in washington, where president trump's allies fear he is losing and running out of time to reshape his campaign. according to new reporting from nbc news, trump's allies both in and out of the white house viewed tuesday night's debate as a disaster for their candidate, who trails in nearly every major poll. sources in both the administration and the campaign describe the mood as worried, quiet, and in shock. the consensus is that the president is doing himself no favors at a time when he desperately needs to shake up the race. not only with his debate performance but with his repeated refusal to condemn white supremacy. something his own former national security adviser says should have been a layup. the white house press