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and ilhan omar, a congresswoman who was a refugee that came to america as a little kid. >> another the election of joe biden's plan to inundate your state with a historic flood of refugees. what is going on with omar? i've been reading these reports for two years about how corrupt and crooked she is. how the hell -- then she tells us how to run our country. can you believe it? biden will turn minnesota into a refugee camp. it's a disgrace what they have done to your state. >> did i mention she is a united states congresswoman. telling us to run our country. that sounds familiar somehow. you might be remembering 1968 george wallace. >> the president of the united states, you could walk on the streets and any section of washington, d.c., at any time, and i would make that possible

if i had to bring 30,000 troops to washington and put one every 30 feet with 2 foot bayonet. when has it come to racial overtones for law and order. so-called civil rights has really been imposition on the property owners system, free enterprise system and local government. >> it's almost like a mirror image. trump whipped up the krouz into a frenzy in the latest covid rally refusing to denounce proud boys. couching it in xenophobic and states rights terms it's the same argument wallace and kkk leader david duke ran on and lost. don't take it from me, duke announced donald trump adopted his message. >> everything that i made my chief campaign issues is now adopted by trump. running against donald trump at this point is really treason to

your heritage. donald trump, we hope you keep all your promises. you've spoken like no other candidate in recent history. >> did you get that? that's david duke saying donald trump adopted his message, period. that's it. when called upon to denounce david duke and repudiate his support in 2016, here is how trump handled that. >> i don't know anything about david duke, okay? i don't know anything about what you're talking about with white supremacy and supremacists. you're asking me a question i'm supposed to be talking about people i know nothing about. >> what do you see as the biggest problem with the reform party now. >> david duke, a bigot, racist, a problem. this is not the people you want in your party. >> surprise, video. if that sounds familiar it's because you also heard it yesterday. >> i don't know who the proud boys are. you'll have to give me a definition because i don't know who they are.

i can only say they have to stand down, let law enforcement do their work. >> they are the people with your slogan as their logo, that's who they are. donald trump's inability to denounce white spremsey met with tepid criticism from much of the republican party. they are clearly afraid it will drag down election hopes but not afraid enough to stand up to bossman trump, who not only denounces white supremacy his white house crew won't either. his white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany wouldn't do, a fact that frustrated even roberts, who asked her about it. >> it's a question that needs to be asked. clearly his republican colleagues a mile away from here are looking for an answer, too. stop deflecting and stop blaming the media. i'm tired of it. >> because really, now hard is it to denounce white supremacy if you're not a white supremacist. joined by charlie sikes,

editor-at-large, renee graham opinion columnist and associate editor and reverend al sharpton, president of national action network host on msnbc and author of the great new book "rise up:confronting a country at the cross-roads." reverend, i'm going to start with you. you've known president trump a long time. we showed you the before and after clip, back in the day i can't join the reform county because dot dot dot david duke. is this reform tiff ativereform racist george wallace style or is this the real him and everything else was just phony. >> clearly it's the real him. he's been given every opportunity to denounce white supremacy from charlottesville saying there are nice people on both sides. marching, saying jews will not

replace us and they are fine people. throughout his presidency. i never thought i would live to do it but i'll quote david duke. he said he's representing everything we believe in, and i hope he keeps his promising. duke said that. duke who you just played the tape that donald trump was well aware of, even though he denied it later, said he wasn't going to join the reform party because david duke was a respectist. all of a sudden he's somebody he didn't know. you are looking at a man who the other night during the debate when he was universally attacked for not attack the proud boys and not attacking and saying he was against outright supremacy, he said, guess what, look at this, i'll do some xenophobia for you. will that make you feel better? he doubled down. that's who he is. that's the president. he's saying the voters to vote for me is so endorse that kind

of bigotry and bias. >> to double up on what he's saying, let me play the full exchange. this is the exchange john roberts had with kayleigh mcenany yesterday. here he is. >> yesterday he was point-blank asked do you denounce white supremacy, he said i've always denounced any form of that. >> condemn white supremacy more than any president in modern history. >> just to clear it up this morning, can you make a declarative statement that the president denounces it. >> i just did. the president denounced this. >> you read quotes from the past. >> the president was asked this. you're condriving a storyline and a narrative. >> i'm just asking you to put this to rest. >> i just did. i read you all of the quotes. >> you know, charlie, what makes th this. >> what makes this true this is who he is, not strategery, it's not working.

thanks to the great steve kornacki, we have number where trump was slipping. he already didn't have black voters. very few black voters and brown numbers that want anything to do with him. he's slipping with white voters. he's added 10 points, they say from his basement. wherever he is white voters are preferring him, white college educated voters even noneducated voters. by 33 points for trump in 2016, that's cut down to 24 points. that means even among hard core base, white noneducated voters there are people waking up out of the fog and saying i don't like him. maybe it's covid, whatever it is. it's not working lelectoraly. >> also shows the contempt of his base that he thinks this will work. it's not that complicated. donald trump does not have a hard time being clear when he

wants to be, right? when he wants to denounce mexicans or muslims or protesters or nfl players who take a knee or nancy pelosi or the media or joe scarborough, the mueller investigation, he doesn't have any trouble expressing himself or making it crystal clear what he thinks. the only time he gets tongue-tied is when it comes to russia and white supremacists. maybe he thinks because they support him so much he can't break with them because this is part of his base. you know, this song and dance that we're doing here, this is a replay of what happened in charlottesville where he'll throw out sort of a boilerplate denunciation. he said sure the other night. but this is donald trump who seldom lacks for words when he feels strongly about something. so the media is the enemy of the

people, but when it comes to the proud boys, when it comes to david duke, he finds himself strangely reticent. i think people will have to see through that. >> he does -- it's the actions on top of it. he's going through and eradicating the words intersectionality out of federal government. he sent this memo went out for the trump administration, this edict you can't talk about -- shhh, you can't talk about racism, that's wrong. they are acting on it. it's white supremacists through the mix. i'm so glad you're here renee graham, i've seen you on other shows. thank you very much for being here. i want to show you a piece of video. saying silly things is one thing but it's theater until somebody does something. i want to show you what the proud boys were up to. this is in 2018. let me show you what nancy pelosi -- nancy pelosi faced proud boys, hipster, proud boy

guys. here she is today talking about it. uh-oh, i'll read the video. they came and pounded the doors. they shook -- they scared us. we sign up for this, scaring everyone. they had desantis, tasked by the florida republican party to come and disrupt that meeting, which they did in a violent way. let's show a picture of it, i think we have video of it. this was harassment of the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, by a group of these proud boys at the broward polling locations. let's play the video. this was harassment that took place. okay. so i don't know that we have the video. >> nancy pelosi right here. look at this piece of [ bleep ] right here. look at this [ bleep ] get the [ bleep ] out of here.

open up. it's the proud boys in here. >> there were actual three members of congress, all women, who were harassed and shouted down by those guys. there are other photos, we'll show still photos as well while i ask you for the connection between the call and the response and how much risk does donald trump put the rest of us in. >> i think he puts us all at risk. the problem is trump will never unequivocally condemn white supremacists because they are among some of his most ardent supporters. at this point in the campaign, a month from election day, he's willing to do anything that creates dissension, distraction, violence. he would no more denounce white supremacist because it would be tantamount to denouncing himself. let's be clear. donald trump's racism has been on display throughout his entire public life. we're talking about going back 40, 50 years. the issue is even if -- even the off chance that he actually decided to deliver real

condemnation of white supremacists or white supremacy, would you believe him? to characterize a quote, i don't believe what he says, i believe what he does. he's always supported white supremacists. he was endorsed for david dike. he did not call them out after heather heyer was murdered in charlottesville. he can say he doesn't know who the proud boys are. they know who he is and what he wants. >> i guess, reverend sharpton, we've had racist presidents, wilson, johnson, go through the tapes of nixon, n word dropping. there have been racist presidents. what is the difference in degree with this one, in your mind? >> he is unapologetically touting that racists have a place and the ear of this president. we can say maybe it's because they are supporters and he

doesn't want to throw supporters under the bus. he's thrown his former attorney, his former aides under the bus. he lies about things. he won't even lie and say he's against white supremacy because there's something deep down inside of him that he cannot denounce this. you're not talking about a guy that always shoots straight. donald trump will say anything that helps donald trump unless there's something deep inside that is going to be violated by saying that. there's something deep inside of him that he will not denounce white supremacy and he will not denounce those bigots and racists. you can only conclude that he knows deep down he believes them to be acting in a way that expresses who he really is and how he feels. >> you know, charlie, rev and you and myself are radio people. you have a long history of talking to folks on the radio. what percentage of white voters can stomach this in your view. are there white voters who are

like i can stomach it as long as i like my 401(k), but at what point do some of these white voters say it's too much, i don't want to be associated? i wonder where that line is and how much more support could he lose? >> i think one of the disillusioning things we discovered is a lot of voters are going to tolerate it. there is a line there. when it becomes so in your face -- so for example, when he started making the play for suburban -- white suburban housewives, they needed to vote for them, otherwise cory booker was going to come to your community. whoa, the least scary figure you can come up with but the unsubtley of it. there's a certain vulgarity that turns people off. also, i think there's something else here. he's calling for not just white supremacists but calling for the thuggish militia element of that. and we put it in context of

other things that are happening, saying he wants people to show up on election day, that he might mobilize them if he thinks that the election was stolen. this is where it becomes scary. i keep asking the easiest thing in the world is for him to denounce the proud boys. this is easy. every republican is going why are you putting us in this position. donald trump not only perhaps supports them and knows they support him but i think he wants to use them. he wants to keep them revved up for something. i have to say that with every passing day, particularly after that debate the other night, i think people ought to be legitimately concerned about what this president is stoking, how much kerosene he's willing to throw on this fire and the role of people like the proud boys and other folks that come into states like mine in kenosha with guns and end up killing people. this thing is no longer theoretical. >> i'll give you the last word on this, miss graham, because thais the thing we have to worry

about. donald trump isn't running for president anymore. he wants to thug it out and thug his way into staying in power. now he's got what he thinks is a little army to show up and fight to keep him in power even when he loses. >> think about this president he used to speak of my generals, my military, now he has his military. now he has his army who are ready to do his bidding. this isn't a joke anymore. we know that there's nothing donald trump won't try if he believes it will help keep him in office or create enough disarray that he can disrupt the election. the concern people have about the proud boys. let's don't call them militias, that sounds way too heroic. these are vigilantes. donald trump is determined to do whatever he needs to do to disrupt america. if he has to do that in the bloodiest way possible, he will do it. >> absolutely. that is why voters are the

bravest people out there right now. don't let that fear stop you. vote despite what they are trying to do. charlie sikes, renee graham, reverend al sharpton, thank you very much. next on the "reidout," turns out the biggest threat isn't covid, it's donald trump's himself. how soon do more people die of covid as a direct result of a trump rally. he has two super spreader events in wisconsin despite a major surge there. check this out, kayleigh mcenany casually inflating the resume of the supreme court nominee before getting called out by the reporter. >> judge barrett is extremely well qualified. she graduated summa cum laude and she's a rhodes scholar.

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i won't let up until the stigma of mental health and addiction is finally over. supremacist supremacist supremacy supremacy i'm urging my supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully, because that's what has to happen. i am urging them to do it. i am urging my he people. i hope it's going to be a fair election. if it's a fair election, im100% on board. if i see tens of thousands of ballots being manipulated, i can't go along with that. >> sure sounded like a call for voter intimidation on a primetime debate stage no less. isn't prompting response from trump supporters at home. per "new york times" american intelligence and homeland security are worried trump's rant about a fraud leapt vote is a signal to outside powers, too. in particular, you guessed it, russia. joining me author of new book "compromised, counter-intelligence and the

threat of donald trump. i'm grateful to talk to you today. i've been following the news about what you have gone through with this administration. i think it is fair to say you are familiar with donald trump's thuggery. he has a thuggish demeanor. i can't think of a word to describe that. i won't put that on you, just myself. all the chaos he's creating turns out to be another gift to vladimir putin. mcmaster, national security adviser to donald trump, did an interview with my colleague hallie jackson said russia in the end doesn't care who wins. they want chaos, not trust the election, be fighting in the streets and trump is giving that to them. can you think of a reason why an american president loyal to this country would want that? >> none. joy, thanks for having me. it's very clear trump's actions are specific, deliberate, calculated to do exactly what

their impact is. that is to get people to stay silent or through trump's silence encourage continued behavior. as you pointed out russia is actively engaged in trying to re-elect trump. that's something said by the current director of the fbi. that's something that's been said by the folks within the director of national intelligence. so on the one hand you see his attempts to stifle dissent, then on the other hand silence when it comes to outside hostile powers interfering in our election. >> i guess the question is, is donald trump's action -- are donald trump's actions toward russia that seem to aid and abet russia, aid and abet, are they nakedly in pursuit of election, that's another one of my supporters. like white nationalists, they support me, i support them. did you detect as you were looking at what everyone did was doing there was something else to it. is this a loyalty to russia's

view, wants to put their aims forward and his own election is part of that or just wants the chaos for his own personal re-election? >> i think there are a host of factors. first and foremost he wants to get re-elected. i think there's no doubt there's nothing he would not do to regain the election. there are a host of things within him and his personality and financial holdings that aren't known, are known to russia and give russia leverage over him. you can see he's self-interested in the results of the election. what he's not interested in the fate of our troops in afghanistan with bounties on their heads placed by russians. american soldiers in syria ran by russians and no response out of the white house. certainly when it comes to the election he's got a personal interest but all these other things, interestingly enough, so many relate to russia, that don't have any bearing on donald trump the man but absolutely point to some other leverage i believe is held by the russians over him.

>> he takes on russia's view of the afghan war, takes on their view of montenegro, random stuff. he's not a historian, doesn't know that much about american history. he takes on their view, even the attack on mail-in voting. adam schiff who shares the intel committee is raising concerns it is also russian disinformation to go after mail-in voting. even that is russian memes flowing into our election. it is strange. let me play you john brennan, former cia director. he talks about when he first met donald trump. here he is. i'll read it. donald trump showed no intellectual curiosity what he had done, how it carried out his campaign. he met him when he was president lake-effect. he left that meeting with a dark feeling it would be a painful chapter in history. he wasn't sure donald trump was more loyal to this country than russia. do you have a sense donald trump is loyal to the united states.

>> i think it's certainly in question. what director brennan shared there was shared by many of us in the intelligence community, counter-intelligence folks as well, looking at behaviors. nothing has happened to make those concerns better. in fact, they have gotten worse. i do think he is subject to outside forces that are held by russia and that those caused him to place his interest ahead of those of the nation. >> let me ask you something more about politics since you have that good law enforcement background. i know you're counter-intel. federal law enforcement officials reportedly were directed to make public pronouncements sympathetic to kyle rittenhouse, the 17-year-old accused of shooting two protesters in kenosha, wisconsin. we don't know, i have to say, nbc news has not confirmed whether these were done, whether these were made but just the fact there was some sort of directive, specific talking points put out that were favorable to kyle rittenhouse.

have you ever seen anything like that in your time working in government? >> joy, never. over 20 years as an fbi agent, worked hundreds of cases involving people arrested and pending trial and never once was i given talking points or encouraged to talk one way or the other. two reasons, justice has to be blind. law enforcement officers certainly of any rank anywhere in the system don't go making comments positively or negatively about someone charged with a crime. justice is administered blindly or it should be. dhs has all these agents who rely on their appearance of objectivity when they go about doing their investigations just like all federal law enforcement officers. the second thing concerning about some of those talking points, i haven't read them, going off the media report, was the statements he was responding to protect small business owners. that could be read very much as encouraging a sort of vigilante justice. i know one of your folks

speaking used that term. that's exactly right. that under tone of encouraging people to take up the law in their hands is extremely dangerous. i've worked with hundreds of law enforcement agencies around the nation, they do their job well. they keep the peace well. they don't need folks taking up arms and trying to do one thing and another for peace. having talking points other than that is extremely dangerous. >> i want to thank you for coming forward. not too many have. thank you for doing that. you're brave to do so. i hope you do well with your boom. called compromised, counter-intelligence and the threat of donald trump. i hope people will support you. thank you, sir. >> thank you. still ahead wisconsin's chief medical officer joins me on the covid surge stressing hospital capacity there. guess who is holding super spreader rallies there this weekend. the "reidout" will be right back.

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wisconsin is now the epicenter of a major midwest surge of the coronavirus. state health officials announced a record number of nearly 3,000 new cases and 21 more deaths today. this came after the state set a grim record of 27 deaths yesterday. only about 20% of the state's hospitals and icu beds are now free. some wisconsin hospitals are resorting to wait listing patients or sending patients to other facilities. state health officials on tuesday also acknowledged wisconsin is closer than ever to opening a state-run field hospital due to the surge in cases even as they stressed they still hope the overflow facilities won't be needed. governor tony evers has baseball plagued by the mitigation strategy. donald trump is set to host two events this weekend despite his own task force warning that

certain parts of the state are in red zones, which represent the highest level of concern for community spread. for the latest i'm joined by chief medical officer and state epidemiologist for communicable diseases for wisconsin department of health services. on a scale of one to ten, ten being catastrophically bad, and one being it will be all right, where do you place the idea of having two rallies in wisconsin this weekend? >> it's a great question. it's a scale i'm not familiar with as a scientist, but i would say it's risky, very risky, to have gatherings of any size in an environment where we have high levels of community spread. the larger the gathering, the riskier it is. it can be lowered somewhat by face masks and social distancing but they are imperfect. it has consistently been to avoid gatherings of any size at

this time. >> have you been able to understand how this happened and sort of what was the source of this level of accumulated cases in the state. >> it did seem to take off rather abruptly at the beginning of september. the first signal we saw going in the wrong cases was an increase in adults and add be lechbts, particularly 18 to 24. we saw this in our larger and medium-sized cities that had college campuses. it seemed to be driven by that population. since that time, however, the level of cases, new cases among that age group has gone down. it's gone up in every other age group. whatever the cause of the initial surge, it's now spreading quite widespread in a general fashion for the entire state is that high level of spread. >> obviously the concern is just for the health of human beings in this case but also an election going on. how would it head to the risk if

people are nervous about putting their votes in the mail because of the way the post office has been depleted and decide, you know what, i've got to show up. how much risk is involved with this election happening? >> we had to address that issue quite a lot in the spring. we had a spring election. there was quite a bit of anxiety around voting in person. i think for the most part polling places were kept pretty safe. a lot of preparations were under way. it adds a significant amount of anxiety about getting out in public when transmission is this high. >> last question. the governor didn't want to have a mask order but supreme court overturned it and said it exceeded his authority, and therefore he couldn't have it. do you think a mask order might have prevented wisconsin from being where it is right now? >> we do have a statewide mask order right now. the thing that was overturned was a stay-at-home order, which

at this time in the epidemic is probably the thing that we need. right now the ability of people to gatheren significant numbers really adds fuel to the fire. a stay-at-home order or just broad agreement that everyone staying home an keeping gatherings as small as possible is really how we're going to turn the corner but it's a big challenge. >> doctor, thank you very much. i really appreciate your time. stay safe. >> thank you. >> a new study out of cornell university found donald trump is the single largest driver of misinformation about covid. the study's lead author and director of the cornell alliance for science joins me now. that's pretty stunning for the president of the united states to be deemed the chief spreader of misinformation about covid. could you walk us through your study a bit. >> thanks for having me on. i appreciate the opportunity to talk about our study. so we basically are an alliance for science, a communications initiative that looks at a lot of science issues in a way that

disinformation and misinformation affects different science issues. we're most well-known for works on gmos and other biotechnologies. in march when we were really wrestling with how to deal with the pandemic we decided to apply those tools and look at the misinformation landscape around covid-19. we looked at 38 million articles in the english language media that essentially have -- that are talking about covid-19. and within that set of media, 1.1 million articles have some relationship with misinformation and covid-19. we go and drill down and look at what those subcategories are, we see some interesting themes. we found that there is this sort of bucket of conspiracy theories that we all heard about over the last few months, whether 5g but the really big conspiracy theory bucket is around miracle cures.

you'll remember there were conspiracy theories around hydroxychloroquine, around uv and also around disinfectants. that's the biggest pool out there. that bucket of information had coverage by the president of the united states. 38% of the covid coverage was in association with that name. >> and is it that the people who listen to donald trump and take that in are taking unsafe behaviors, or that they are becoming the source of spread because they are not protecting themselves? >> certainly we do look to our leadership to provide guidance and science-based information in a time of a pandemic, if not all the time. so i think it is really important that we have sources of good science-based

information guiding us in everything that we do, just as your last guest so wisely did. >> yeah. a scary time when the president of the united states is the biggest source of misinformation about a pandemic. thank you very much for being here. appreciate it. thank you. up next, economic fallout from this pandemic is really getting worse. donald trump doesn't care, as long as his name is added to the relief check. stay with us. new vicks immunity zzzs gummies are fortified with

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boxes of food. they now have something extra included, a letter from donald trump claiming credit. not surprising. trump is using this to try to win votes in an election by all counts he's losing. remember, he's done that before, like the time when congress actually did its job and provided stimulus checks for americans, trump demanded those stimulus checks sent out earlier this year include his giant magic marker signature, the first time the president's name has appeared on irs payments whether refund checks or other stimulus checks mailed during past economic crisis. just recently trump's government took $300 million of your tax dollars to create a celeb-based ad campaign to, quote, boost confidence in the president's response to the pandemic. however, if you celebrities agreed to take part. surprise surprise. while donald trump is using the power of the presidency to try to convince people to be

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contrary to donald trump's claims, the economy is not roaring back to life. more than 800,000 americans filed first-time claims for unemployment last week. that number remains seven times higher than it was before the pandemic and those numbers could continue to grow. disney announced it will be laying off 28,000 workers. all state is cutting 3,800 jobs. and as many as 50,000 airline workers could be out of a job starting today if congress fails to find a new deal.

it is well past the close of business and mitch mcconnell isn't even participating in the negotiations. david, the idea that the senate can rush back to try to jack through a new supreme court jis tis. they just got to get back. but mitch mcconnell can't be bothered to negotiate, to even help out on a stimulus bill. let me show you what the difference is. here's the difference in the bills. they want to give a lot less money total, a lot less money for state and local. they want to give a lot less money to ordinary, hard working people who have lost their jobs and are unemployed. they want to give less money for education, even though they're forcing schools back in and donald trump is demanding schools go back. the only thing they're even on is testing. let me play for you donald trump back in august how he thinks a relief bill is important. here it is. >> will something happen? possibly. but i want to tell you the country is going very well right

now. we can live very happily with it, without it. >> mitch mcconnell says, oh, i'm wishing them well. they don't care. >> they don't. and all you have to do is remember. i know people don't want to. but think back to tuesday night and the debate. how many times did donald trump talk about all he's doing to get new economic relief to people as we see these tremendous layoffs hitting the airlines industry and disney and we see jobless claims going up? how many times did trump talk about the economic pain caused by the pandemic and everything he's doing? how many times has he interrupted his visits to his golf courses because he's working day and night and that we get that $75 billion coronavirus testing program. you talk about mitch mcconnell.

you saw the difference there. $1.6 trillion versus $2.2. mitch mcconnell is about a third of what mnuchin is offering. so they're not bothering to put anything on the table within the realm of these negotiations. so we don't see this as a high priority within the white house. the democrats have come down from the $3.4 trillion that they passed. they passed a bill back in may. nancy pelosi will you remind you every time you talk to her. but, you know, trump seems on a completely different planet. he's just not engaged. he doesn't care. >> yeah. he's on the planet golf where he gets that sweet, sweet secret service golf money. speaker pelosi is not the only one who remind people because i will, too. the heroes octobact 1 passes in. so that was in may.

then you have the senate take a nice sweet break. august 14th to september 7th. they just go on vacation. it wasn't until september 10 that mitch mcconnell failed to put anything on the floor. meanwhile, here's the new jobs report that's coming out. it's expected to show the u.s. adding roughly 800,000 jobs. donald trump will taut that as a victory, but it means half, only half of the more than 20 million jobs that were lost have come back. less than half, far less than half. so the reality is the recovery isn't happening. donald trump might be the first president to have a net jobs loss when he's done and he won't push for a bill to get his big marker signature on the checks. it is odd. >> especially since it's an election time and he likes to play with other people's money. that's the essence of his business path. and so he can, you know, put out these checks, these stimulus

checks, extra employment bene t benefi benefits. he's not doing that. i was looking at some numbers here. 104 americans report trouble paying their bills. one out of three are using retirement savings. and that's everybody. if you look at the black community, it's 43% are having trouble paying their bills. 33% have had to use a food bank. the numbers in the latino community are close to that as well. so there is a lot of pain. i mean, i see the food lines in my neighborhood here. there is a lot of anguish still going on. and trump isn't speaking with it. he's not acknowledging it. biden is trying to when he can get a word in at the debate the other night. with these horrific numbers you see billionaires over the course of the pandemic, according to one estimate that came out this week have added $900 billion, almost $900 billion, with a b, dollars to their network. that's basically, you know, half

the bill for the administration's small plan to deal with things. so there is money out there. you could have a pandemic tax, a wealth tax. you could just borrow this money. rates are low. but the trump administration, you know, isn't engaged. it's not a priority. so there is not much pressure, i think, on mnuchin to reach a deal with nancy pelosi. >> you have a piece out talking about jared kushner being one of the people he just mentioned. he's doing well for himself in this pandemic. >> well, he has a $25 to $50 million stake in a real estate company which is trying to, you know, make -- it was liking to make money by buying hotels in distress because of the pandemic. so here is a guy who is advising the president on supposedly what to do with the economic relief and other issues who stands to gain through the pandemic if things continue as they are and the hotel industry, which has

been really slammed, doesn't get any relief. >> yeah. >> it's an outright conflict of interest. but just one out of many that goes by without much scrutiny. >> very quickly, the debate commission is deciding they are going to change the rules. they might cutoff, et cetera. i shall not allow it, as he can stop them. your thoughts? >> i agree with donald trump on this. i thought tuesday night was a great night for mek. we saw donald trump in his full glory for 90 minutes. i don't think a lot of americans see that. we watch each day, joy, peach who watch this show pay attention to this. but if you watch trump for 5 or 10 minutes, you might think he's rough and tumble. watch him do it for 90 minutes, it's an entirely different experience. let the public see him. if he wants to play by the rules, let the market decide how this is going to be. so i wouldn't cutoff his mic.

i'd give him as much time as he wants if he's going to behave that way. >> one of them said he looked like putin's piglet and somebody internally in the united states said he looked like a crackhead. i want to talk to you about my new podcast about kamala harris. first two episodes available on monday. that's right before the debate for the vps. that is tonight's "reid out." "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in." the trump crisis. alarming new evidence that shows the united states is the driving force behind the coronavirus misinformation nightmare. then as mass layoffs begin, congresswoman katie porter on how america's economic suffering is getting worse. plus, new reporting on the pro trump militant movement as the president loses trump tv. >> if the president didn't know