good morning. each ali velshi. we have breaking news. a brand-new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows joe biden taking a huge lead in the national head-to-head against president trump. biden now ahead of trump nationally 53 to 39, a 14-paint

le point lead. this was taken before the news about the president's covid-19 diagnosis, but after the presidential debate. it's full of other big news and developments in the race. we will talk abomore about that a moment. the president remains at walter reed, with serious questions and serious implications following a day of discrepancies and contradictions from the white hou house. now perhaps trying to put at least some of the more more bid rumors to rest, late in the date donald trump tweeted this four-minute video taken inside walter reed. >> i came here, wasn't feeling so well, i feel much better now. we're working hard to get me all the way back. i'll be back soon.

i look forward to finishes up the compare. i just want to tell you i'm starting to feel good. you don't know over the next period of a few days, i guess that's the real test. we'll be seeing what happens over the next couple of days. >> hours later, white house chief of staff mark meadows provided this update. >> i'm very, very optimistic based upon the current results. as the doctor said, he's not out of the woods, the next 48 hours or so with the history of this virus we know can be tough, and -- but he's made unbelievable improvements from yesterday morning when i know a number of us, the doctor and i, were very concerned. i can tell you this, the biggest thing we see is that, with no fever now and with him doing

really well with his oxygen saturation levels, we -- yet morning we were real concerned with that. he had a fever and his blood oxygen level had dropped rapidly. >> now, that seems pretty straightforward. the president was in trouble on friday, but is doing better. however, it does not appear to be as simple as that, as that was not the story we were told from much of the day, either from trump's team of doctors or the without. the controversy gained ground when the president's physician, sean connelly, and other doctors here, painted a rosie picture here. but that was contradicted less than an hour later when a source familiar with the president's health, who the associated press and others have now identified as without chief of staff, told this to the white house press pool, which is a small group of

reporters who travel with the president on behalf of all the news outlet, quote -- the president's vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning. in the next 48 thundershowers, it will be critical in terms of his care. we're not on a clear path to a full recovery. within an hour, the president's physicians and the white house contradict each other about the health status of our president. it's not a minor contradiction. one is quite optimistic, the other quite dire. it doesn't stop there. two hours after that, mark meadows, not trying to hide his name or title this time, told reuters, the president is doing well. he's up and about, asking for documents to review. the doctors are pleased with his vital signs. i've met with him on multiple occasions today on a variety of issues. come on, man. besides this being a clear contradiction of what he said hours before, who talks like this. the president is asking for

documents to review? asking for documents to review? what does that mean? it is well known this president doesn't review documents. he watching cable tv. the president's lead physician dr. connelly also attempted to clarify the situation. in an official mem democrat he wrote in part -- the president inits to do well, however, quote, white not out of the woods, the team remains cautiously optimistic. end quote. that was the second official memorandum. his first was released in an effort to clear up the timeline of trump's diagnosis and treatment, which is really important, because he's been in contact with thousands of people this week, and that was littered with notable errors, including calling the company that created the experiment 58 drug the president was given reg-ron,

instead of regeneron. >> he's not on objection jet right now, that's right. >> reporter: he's not received any all all? >>. >> reporter: has he ever been on supplement at oxygen. >> right now he's not on oxygen. yesterday and today he was not on oxygen. >> reporter: so he's not been on it during his covid treatment? >> he's not on oxygen right now. >> none of those repeated questions were different. nbc news has learned from a source familiar with the president's condition that, quote, some of the president's vital signs on friday morning were early indicators of the potential for progression. published reports say the president did receive oxygen before he went to the hospital on friday. meanwhile, another member of trump's close inner circle has

contracted covid-19, and appears to be a more serious situation. former new jersey governor chris christie revealed he too has the disease and has symptoms, and has since been admitted to morristown hospital, due to his history of asthma. this seems to go back to the rose ser myoand trump's debate prep meetings. christie attended the rose garden, and there he is, no mask. christie was also part of trump's debate prep teams. that group also reportedly included hope hicks, who has covid-19, kellieanne conway, rudy giuliani, who right now has not tested positive for the disease, as far as we know. joining me now is the president and the ceo of biotechnology

organization dr. michelle mcmurray-heath. she's the founding director of the aspen institute's society policy program with a focus on pandemic preparedness. thank you no joining us. we appreciate you being here. everything i just said is separate and apart from the fact on tuesday at the presidential debate donald trump again spoke about a vaccine being ready, he said, in a matter of weeks. the immense pressure on public health and scientists, i don't think i've ever seen this before. people are being forced to doubt science, because they're not being told the truth. >> it's unprecedented. we need to see clarity and need

the leaders left alone from politics to do their job. the fda is full of accomplished scientists who knows this field inside and out. they are trying to work at a very rapid pace, to get them vaccines and therapies that work, yet at the same time we have secretary azar refusing to release fda guidance that could help manufacturers in this process. so just this last week we at the biotechnology innovation organization called on the department of health and human services to release this guidance. why are we delays information that could help manufacturing es speed the the development of a vaccine at this crucial time. >> you wrote a letter on thursday to secretary azar about this, because you were expressing the concern that reg lay lay people like me that have concerns. i got my yellow card of vaccinations, i get everything they tell me to get.

this would be the first time in history i start calling people like you when they come out with a vaccine and say, should i take this? >> and that's a shame. this is undergoing more scrutiny and more consideration than any vaccine development program and it's going quickly, question. i under the people has given some people cause for concern. the people is because so many scientists have pivoted to work on this problem and find a solution. just since january we track all of the development programs globally, and our industry has started over 180 programs just focused on trying to develop a new vaccine. luckily nine of those are already in late face phase 2, early phase 3.

the science is excellent and the science tys are galvanized. >> which is why the politicians should get out of it. the doubt has been placed because president trump and his folks keep getting involved telling us things between that and press releases coming from drug companies. i just want to see the science. >> science should not be politicized. you know, to that effect, we released a letter calling on everyone involved to let the science proceed in covid vaccine development. we were so proud when our nine leading manufacturers signed a pledge a couple days later guarantees that's what they would do. they're calling for the science to stand on its own. that's so wonderful to see. everyone on the science side of this and the medical side of this wants to see the right thing happens and for the public to have the assurances that they need. >> doctor, you give me some hope. thank you for joining us.

joining me now is the ranks member of housing and urban affairs committee, senator sherrod brown, who we know his skype setup has been tested, because we used it an hour ago with his wonderful wife. thank you for joining us. thank you for saying that. thank you. you were both good on that. >> thank you. let me talk about a bunch of things, the most serious of which is a number of colleagues, at least two of them -- three of them have contracted coronavirus, we wish them and everything else in this reporting we're doing well, but this is affecting the business of the senate. by the way, never mind the supreme court nomination, i'm worried about the heroes 2.0 act, things having to do with

coronavirus that people need economic relief from. >> well worked have passed this weeks ago, months ago. the house and senate moved together in march, did the right things, the $600 a week, kept 12 million people out of the poverty, speaker pelosi and the house passed the heroes act in may. mitch mcconnell said he sees no urgency. in august 600,000 people in my state lost their unemployment benefits, just like that. what do they do to not get evicted or feed their families? pelosi is trying against with a scaled-down view, still no action from mcconnell. we should be passing that. we need to get help to people. i mean, there's going to be a huge wave of evictions.

food banks are seeing people they have never seen before. congress just says -- congress and trump says nothing. >> senator, we have 30 days to go until the election. the consequences of tuesday's debate are coming into clear focus. we have some brand-new polling we announced at the top of the hours. nbc news/"wall street journal" polling. it shows joe biden with a 14-point late, which is double almost the eight-appointed late taken just before the debate. also biden's largest lead of the race, the previous high being 11 points. we also have pre-debate nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows, post debate joe biden has

a one-point lead. so a 14-point swing amongst men 50 and older. what do you make of that? >> i take it that joe biden talks about the dignity of work. joe biden is the most pro-worker, pro-union candidate of my time, and he will govern through those eyes. the contrast that with trump's betrayal of workers, he's betrayed workers saying don't sell your homes, the jobs are coming back before the plant shut down and we tried to save it. he puts the secretary of labor in, who used to be a corporate labor lawyer making millions suing workers and breaking unions. so it's clear trump is not on the side of working families. that's becoming clearer and

clearer, especially in contrast to a pro-worker candidate like joe biden. >> let's talk about, though -- i was in your state yes. i wasn't able to talk to you there. i was talking to some people who got bad information. wherever they get their information, they believe certain things to be true. whether it's women or suburban men, people coming for their jobs, people coming for their neighborhoods, people come fog their property values, as i was talking to your lovely wife, he talks about how corey booker will brings subsidized housing into suburban neighborhoods. but there is an attempt to try to get to that crowd of people and scare them. >> of course. that's what demagogues do, that's what right-wingers do. they use race, they use division to try to scare people. that's how trump holds onto his base, the one third or 35 or

maybe 40% of voters that respond to that divisive talk, but the voters increasingly are seeing the recklessness and the carelesses in of this president. i see it around the capital, where republicans often don't wear masks, they bring large numbers of staff people, and -- it puts the cafeteria workers, floor staff, security people at risk. this party is the anti-worker party, take care of yourself and don't worry about anybody else. that's showing up in national polls and why ohio is going to go with biden and we'll see an electoral landslide, which will just undermine all of trump's first election antics that he thinking he will question the election about. that's the really good news out

of the that poll. >> is there anything in that poll that would give pause to mitch mcconnell and republicans, to say americans are so strongly in favor of joe biden and democrats that maybe don't plow ahead with the supreme court nomination, or do you think it causes them to double down because they might lose the senate? >> well, you just spoke logic. i think mcconnell's logic is the opposite. mcconnell knows as trump knows they're going to lose. mcconnell doesn't want to do anything right now that would help the country, the $600 a week, putting money into schools to open safely, helping people -- that might be about to be evicted. putting money in local governments, so mcconnell doesn't want to do that. he wasn't to put those problems on the steps at the feet of the democrats in january, and he will not let up on the supreme

court justice. he lives -- mitch mcconnells lives for power, for tax cuts and for young right-wing judges. he will put numbers of his own staff and his fellow senators at risk. they continue they weekly lunches. we do ours on the phones as democrats. these lunching, they don't care about the food service workers, they don't care about security people. i'm not sure he cares a whole lot about his colleagues so, it's full speed ahead for mcconnell, no matter how desperate. >> i'm glad your skype setup got a lot of use this morning. >> thanks. i traveled to ohio this week. we're going to get to the importance of the buckeye state, but here's a voter in ohio.

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it's hard to win the presidency without winning the state of ohio. with just one month to the election i traveled to the battleground state to speak with voters. ohioans were deeply affected by the trade war with china, as well as by the pandemic. the house of representatives passed another relief bill, but it is stalled in the senate, and the path forward is unclear now that there's a covid outbreak among some members. with me now is marsha fudge of ohio's district which includes cleveland, just a bit east of where i was yes. congresswoman, thank you for being with us. every time i go to ohio, it's all of the topics. people are interested in

manufacturing, interested in wages, the affordable care act, social welfare and social justice. what is your sense of what is motivating ohio voters right now? >> a number of things. first, thanks for having me. people forget that ohio is not only a manufacturing state, but one of the largest agricultural states in the united states. >> that's right. >> when the president came here four years ago, he promised he would bring back manufacturing. manufacturing in how ohio now is at its lower than in a decade. we've had more bankruptcies than anyone can even remember how many times we've had this number of bankruptcies. he talked about what he was going to do about education. all of the things he said, none have come true. there were promises made, no promises kept. i think the people of ohio have realized this president is not

acting in our best interest. when you lay on top of that covid and what it's done to this economy, people have said, you know what? we gave that a try appeared now we're going back to the tried-and-true. >> just in the last 24 hours, ohio has seen 1100 new cases, 20 new deaths. senator brown and i were just talking about the comments that president trump made in 2016 in youngstown, ohio, where he told people don't sell your homes, your stuff is coming back. between trade and agriculture, the president has not helped. what is it about joe biden that people can look into and say, maybe he'll get what's going on, other than the enact he often talks about being from the industrial midwest. what are the kinds of policies you're hearing people want to hear? >> first, just look at where we are now. the president is getting the best health care of any person in the united states, and i

think that's fair, but i think every single person should be able to have health care as well. as he tries to dismantle the affordable care act, he told us he has a plan. we've never seen the plan. with people getting sick in the numbers you enumerated, people want to know they can get health care. all the these people who have been laid off, they said to know if they'll get their job babb. the people who have been able to keep their jobs, they're wondering how long am i going to keep their job. we know the economy cannot go forward unless we can get ahold of this virus. we have no control. the president has admitted he knew about it. the president admitting he knew nothing about it, and now we have no control over the virus. so i think people want to be able to pay their bills to make sure they don't get evicted, to send their children back to school in a safe environment, to

be able to put food on the tables. right now none of that is assured. based on the president's actions, we don't know if it every will be. the president said on tuesday he has a replacement for the affordable care act, yet his administration is supporting a la the against it, which will go to the supreme court in the week after the election. congre congresswoman fudge, thank you. >> thank you will, ali. part two of how the ohio voters think the pandemic has been handled by president trump. >> there was funds sent to multibillion dollar organizations, but small to medium-sized businesses didn't receive comparable funding. i'm not saying don't send it to the large organizations, but i'm saying of to do something comparable for your tattoo

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i had the fort opportunity this weekend to talk to six voters in fremont, ohio. that's in sandusky county, part of my continuing series. we met on the grounds of the ryuer b. hayes presidential center. 1157 cases of coronavirus were reported in ohio yesterday, 20 people died. i ask the panel about the pandemic and their thoughts for the leaders of our nation. >> i would like from you as if you're talking to the candidates or whoever it is you're voting for, what in your opinion do we do with this juncture? >> honestly i think we just need to accept the fact there's

something bat out here now. we're working on a vikings, but we have to figure out the safety precautions it's bad, people are dying, but at the same time we can't just shut down everything. people still have to eat. i think the president absolutely dropped the ball. when we have 200,000 people who are just no longer here, and

scientists say that it did not have to happen that way, i think that we look it as leaders, it's our responsibility to protect the lives of our citizen but you do what's necessary to protect the lives of your citizens. i do not believe that he did what was necessary to protect the lives of american citizens. >> somebody told the candidates, listen to everybody who was giving us advice. >> i would say listen to the scientists. if they say shut it down, shut it down. protect life over profit. find a way to work across the aisle to get relief to the individuals who need relief.

just be creative. now throw political grenades -- and this is on both sides of the aisle -- not throw political grenades. just try to figure out what is in the best interests of the people, but listen to the scientists. >> i would say donald trump from the beginning has been negligent from day one, on making sure we are safe from this covid. my advice would be, first, we need a national plan. hi national plan, so he didn't have any responsibility, throw it back to the states, do what you can. you have florida opening up everything. new york shut down and is doing pretty good. there's a lot of things the scientists have said that we could do as individuals, which a lot of individuals aren't doing, you know? social distancing, wearing maskses, do things outdoors, those types of things. you can do those in businesses

and still keep businesses going, but there seems to be a group of people out there that are just hard-headed, i'm not going to wear a mask, and that puts everybody in danger. i'm incensed when i've seen what's happened in the last few days that donald trump has infected many people. those people are out infecting people. that would be me if i was somewhere and somebody walked out, talking to me and they had covid. you need a national coordination, not necessarily overall regulation, but coordination. that's not happening. it's good luck and godspeed. it is what it is, his quote. >> i believe we cannot turn back, cannot shut down local businesses. they will not survive another shutdown. it wasn't done right in the beginni beginning, so i feel like that window was lost, to be able to do that. so we cannot shut down small businesses again.

we have to do something on national levels to protect ourselves. wear the masks, especially in a position -- and i said before, lead by example. trump is out parading, not wearing masks, made fun of biden for having a mask, trump tests positive for covid, he's infected a lot of people. that's what we're trying to go against. we have to move forward, this is an absolute disaster that we are in as we go through all the covid stuff. it's just a mess. >> just imagine this. if nasa, who makes decisions about how they're going to do things, what material they're going to use, you don't see a president contradicting them. that's an expert organization, independent. the health organization should be the same way.

what they say should be the prevailing tuned toward this disease, and it's a world disease. it's not just an americans disease. we have so much education in this country and around the world, why we would argue with the science is just unbelievable. it really baffles me. >> what i would say to both candidates is listen toed up deemiologists, scientists, doctors, researchers. i have a family member who is an epidemiologist for the department of defense. she's formerly worked for the cdc. now, i was advised weeks before governor dewine shut down ohio, because i was a caregiver for my son-in-law, who passed away. had we brought covid into his house, it would have probably killed him instantly. they need to listen to the

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yesterday president trump's physician triggered new questions about the timeline and seriousness of the president's coronavirus case. on saturday morning, dr. sean connelly said it had been 72 hours since the president tested

positive, suggesting the president knew about his status as early as wednesday morning. that would have been 72 hours prior to saturday morning. the president's physician has since tried to clear up the timeline, but the white house knew that hope hicks had been infected before the president attended a fund-raisers at his bed minister, new jersey, golf club thursday evening. he should have known that he could have been infected. new jersey state officials are frustrated with the white house's level of cooperation. the administration and republican national committee handed over the names and e-mails of more than 200 people who attended the fund-raiser. the contact tracing process is particularly laborious for a norms on person, so imagine house tedious the operation is

when the president and his team have been traveling the country making public appearances. the incubation period can extend up to 14 days, but positive test results usually turn up within four to five days of exposure, so let's look at the president's schedule over the last week or so. on september 25th, the president traveled to florida, to a campaign event in atlanta, and then to a rally in newport news, virginia. on september 6th, amy coney barrett at the white house, and another rally in middletown pennsylvania. to cleveland on the 29th, last tuesday, for the president yap debate. two more campaign events on september 30th in minnesota, that was wednesday, and the bed minister fund-raiser on thursday, october 1st, that's the night we found out about the president's positive test. so at least ten people who were with the president during that time period have tested positive for the coronavirus. we don't know who the so-called patient zero of the white house

outbreak is and whether it's even one person. it could be from different events, but that's where the contact tracing comes in. it's the process of identifying every person who may have been in closed proximity, thought of within six feet of an infected person. anyone, for at least ten minutes or so. after a person tests positive, a contact tracer gets in touch with them by phone or e-mail. they'll attempt to nail down where the person may have gone and who they were with. the key is, you have to remember everyone you may have come in contact with. the contact tracer reaches out with everyone on the list. they're advised to monitor themselves, self-isolate and get tested if needed, and then the process begins all over again with that person. most of the president's events

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so far this year 2020 the situates has faced a constitutional crisis, an impeachment, a pandemic and the largest protest movement in american history and now we are in the midst of a national security crisis derived largely from our own president's reckless behavior and refusal to wear a mask and avoid large crowds. over the last nearly four years we have seen the current administration chip away at institutions and norms and destroy the public trust making it easier for a bad actor to sow dis core cord and confusion. with the leader hospitalized and conflicting messages on how sick he is the lack of clear information from the president's condition could endanger national security. i want to understand how that could work to joining me now a admiral james stavridis an msnbc and nbc chief international security and dim raes analyst, also the author of "sailing true

north: ten admirals and the voyage of character." good to see you again. you and i are old enough to have remembered and it still happens actually today other countries that obfuscate about the health or vigor of their leaders and it makes us doubt the rigorous nature of their government or strength of those leaders. how are other countries looking at america in this case, this situation of confusion right now? >> well, let's start with the intelligence communities of our opponents. the only people working harder than the media right now to find out about donald trump are the intelligence services of russian, iran, north korea, china. they are on overdrive trying to find out what's going on and potentially -- and here is where we ought to be concerned -- making a move. thinking we're distracted. a big key to this, ali, will be keeping the vice president healthy. that's why when i hear that he's going to go out and campaign

fully, that worries me quite a bit in terms of our national security. we need to protect that national command authority. president, vice president, secretary of defense, and in particular covid can impact judgment in people, even if you are still functioning. so this is very concerning, foreign intelligence is watching, our own intelligence will be watching them and we are in for a challenging period until we resolve the health aspects of this with the president. >> and unlike the bureaus of some nations we actually have an infrastructure that's supposed to protect against this. i want to read you a quote from foreign policy magazine about this which says the national security council was created because people were scared to death of the way franklin roosevelt made decisions during world war ii while keeping information from everybody in the government. and then he died and they were left in the dark. the systems, the process, the meetings, the communications

that were all created as a result of these fears of what could happen trump has let fall into disuse. so, in fact, the idea that we've got structures whereby if the president were to fall ill we're supposed to have methodologies and structures to keep us safe so ur adversaries don't think we are distracted and can take advantage of us on some random attack on us or an ally. >> indeed. we spoke a moment ago about the international aspects of this, the interagency aspects are perhaps more critical. it's exactly what you just raised, it is the coordination at this moment between department of homeland security, department of justice, fbi, cia, all of our agencies and departments who even remotely touch national security have to be coordinated. this is the job of an official not well known, the national security adviser, robert o'brien, he has his hands full

right now keeping the inner agency going as we confront these international challenges. >> you were the supreme allied commander of nato, i have 30 seconds left, but that's why these international allies alliances are important so if anybody thinks america is distracted or weak right now a strong nato would warn everybody against trying any mischief. >> indeed. we are stronger together starting with the intelligence gathering, but also the deterrence. that is what precludes our opponents from taking a shot at a moment like this. it's that network of allies, partners and friends. >> admiral, thanks for joining us as always. admiral james stavridis the former supreme allied commander at nato. and that does it for me. thank you for stretching "velshi." came me saturday and sunday mornings 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. eastern. next sunday i will be in detroit, michigan, for velshi across america 2020. coming up next, "a.m. joy,"

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that they recover and -- and that this is not a painful process for them. nobody should contract this disease and sincerely we pray for their speedy recovery. good morning, welcome to "a.m. joy," i'm maria teresa kumar. while the president remains at walter reed medical center after testing positive for covid-19, a key member of his debate prep team, chris christie, checked himself into the hospital after testing positive for the virus. christie is the eighth person to contract the virus after attending the super spreading event at the rose garden last weekend. for his part trump released a video on twitter from inside the hospital reassuring the public that he was feeling, quote, much better. but it came after mixed messages from his doctors and his chief of staff, mark meadows, earlier in the day. we will have more on that later. meanwhile, his presidential campaign is in full steam ahead by launching operation maga and announcing vice president

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