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welcome to "weekends with alex" sheer what is happening at 2:00 p.m., we start with breaking news from walter reed medical center. doctors say his condition is improving and vital signs are stable. he had two transient drops in oxygen and was put on a steroid therapy. >> friday morning when i returned to the bedside he had a high fever and his oxygen saturation was dipping below 94%. i was concerned for possible rapid progression of the illness. i recommend that we try supplemental oxygen. yesterday there was another episode where he dropped down to 93%. he doesn't ever feel short of breath. we watched it and it returned back up.

>> also today, the president's personal aide, or so called body ma man, nick luna tested positive. he travelled with the president last week. now with 30 days to the election, joe biden's lead nearly doubled after the debate. biden stands at 53% to trump's 39%. this poll was taken before the president was hospitalized. josh letterman once again once again outside of walter reed. >> when you and i spoke about 24 hours ago after that first briefing, the big question that went unanswered is has he been given supplemental oxygen. now we have an answer to that question. the answer is questiyes. he was given oxygen on friday at

the white house when his levels dropped lower than where he wanted them to be. overall they're painting a positive image of the president's progression in the next 24 hours or so. we are monitoring him for potential side effects. his liver and kidney function were normal. in response to the low oxygen levels, and he received his first dose yesterday and we plan to continue that for the time being. today he feels well. he has been up and around. our plan for today is to have him eat and drink, be out of bed as much about possible to be mobile. if he continues to look and feel as well as he does today we hope

to plan for a discharge as early as tomorrow to the white house where he can continue his treatment course. >> someone that will be discharged from the hospital as early as tomorrow, that sounds like someone on the road to recovery. there was also some concerning developments that we learned from that briefing that seemed to go in the other direction. ing the fact that the president's oxygen levels dropped once again yesterday. they're not willing to give out the exact numbers. they suggested it didn't drop as low as into the low 80s, which would be particularly concerning, but the other new piece of information that you heard the doctor mention is the fact that a new medication has been added to the president's regimen. it is a steroid, as you mentioned, prescribed to reduce inflammation including particularly in the hunlungs. they declined to tell us what they found on scans of the

president's lungs other than to say it wasn't anything out of what they would have expected from a covid-19 patient. as you hear from the noise behind me, a very raucous scene here. the noise levels and the people have gotten more intense as the day has gone on. >> thank you, josh let termater. joining us now is dr. patal and joseph fare. we will go with you, dr. patal, first, what is your biggest take away. what is your conclusion on his condition based on what you know. i absolutely agree and i'm sure you'll say you don't know all of the facts, you're not treating the president, but what do you garner from what you do know? >> yeah, spoken like someone that knows a lot i think what is

more important to highlight is that we have confirmed that the doctors confirmed he is receiving the steroid. we have good trial evidence of when it should and should not be used. this is something that i use in the outpatient setting for skin allergy infections but not at the high doses the president is likely receivinreceiving. something happened and you heard a very casual inference, you know, two episodes where the oxygen saturation. and i think it is so hard, we know the president is getting incredit intensive monitoring. >> this is the second day of the anti-viral treatment and he

already had that monoclonal cockta cocktail. they're doing what would be considered appropriate treatments as a person is going through the phases of inflammation that you would expect. what is really confusing is talking about discharge and what discharge planning or discharging someone in a normal patient, alex, would mean they go home and you make assumptions that that is someone who is fully recovered. remember this would be a discharge of not only the commander in chief, but he is going back to his residence where they have a white house medical unit that has an incredible amount of capabilities and you would assume hospital level monitoring back home. but i also worry it septembers up a precedent where if he does not go back to the white house tomorrow people will read into that that things are a lot

more -- that things have taken a turn for the worse. so we'll have to ask more questions than we have answers, but the fact that he had those three treatments suggest that there is active kind of -- on going inflammation response or pulmonary involvement of this disease. >> given that it is the new factoring in today with the news, joseph, talk to me about how serious you think this is and may i also ask you to give us a little bit of what happened with you when you fell sick with covid in terms of your oxygen levels? these numbers, put this into perspective can with the president. saying that he did not drop ever into the low 80s, which didn't specifically answer the question being asked. i think normal is 95 to 100. talk about what happened with

you. >> i may have to defer. i personally have not used it and i'm not an md. it is still considered suspected covid, i still, all of my laboratory tests came back covid. i was diagnosed by my ct scans with what they call covid lungs. i had blood clots and bi-lateral pneumonia. it is still suspected covid, but disease of unknown origin. my oxygen was in the low 80s. it looked like the president was able to breathe enough to speak to the camera and not struggle to breathe. so i know, myself, i was struggling to breathe and would not have been able to do that myself. what i am very curious about it is time line, if the president

is going to be discharged you would assume like any other patient in the united states that he will be virus negative before he is discharged. otherwise he himself can continue to pass on the virus to other people. that being said, he was diagnosed less than 48 hours ago. he had a lot of experimental treatments. i have high doubt that he would clear the virus completely within 48 hours. i don't know how they're talking about discharging him or if it will be treated differently than any other case. >> that is a good point, whether or not he leaves may not be so much about him because there is a hospital-quality care at the white house. as you look at the doctors and what they said, that trump add

no fever since friday, or has not had a fever, i presume that means no fever, is that a good way to evaluate his season or is oxygen saturation more important? >> it is really a concentration if is certainly helpful to know that he "had no fever." but i believe there are several pool results saying what are the results of the c.t. scans and what are the details on the tests that he had other than the very broad generalizations. so we don't have those answers, but what we hear, and we heart the doctor say i'm trying to be up beat. and i think that just to take a step back without being critical of him, i think you personally have to be very objective. it is the president and it is

hard. people are very emotional, but you have to be objective in the assessment. treat the symptoms and the patients with what you see in front of you. we need to try to remember this this is a 74-year-old male with other chronic conditions. and because of when his symptoms started, and we're still trying to firm when that is, we're still incredibly in the vulnerable period of time. i think joseph will agree with me, i have seen patients and we talked about this, one day they're fine, they can crash the next minute, and that is why hospital monitoring, even in the absence of a fever, can be incredibly important. and i think the question is, is exactly right, you know is a lack of a fever enough? i would say it is a combination of a lack of symptoms, improvement of other things that we have not heard about like what is his viral legral load?

what are the lab values around the inflammation levels of his blood. but you would that want complete picture to determine if he could be discharged from walter reed back to the white house unit. i hope that everyone around him has access to the ppe and is wearing it to take the preventive measures that you and i would. >> joseph, how about the update today. in your mind did it clear up any questions that were caused by all of the conflicting information in the last 24 hours? is there still confusion? >> for me there is a lot of confusion. there is national security council meetings.

there are thing that's he will have to do every day. i'm assuming many of it will be face to face or another local. i would love to know is this a super spreader event that could infect our whole of government? or the white house and the executive prbranch, and some of our military. that is all dependent on the time line. when he was diagnosed, when he knew, and where he wasnent afte that. someone at the rose garden could have gotten something and be asymptomatic and pass it on to anyone with whom they are in kablgt. so contact tracing reigns supreme right now. good to see you both, joseph, glad to see you looking so well. and dr. patal always looking well.

joining me now, charlie savage. new york times national security and legal reporter. let's start with your reaction as to what came out of today's medical briefing. in your mind did it give you a better understanding of the president's conditions or do you have questions? >> i certainly have questions just because i think we have all learned to take everything with grain of salt. i defer to your previous test for the cocktail there, we're not out of the woods yet, and that gets us into some of the national security implications you were discussing. >> in terms of that,ly set this next question up of talking about trump's briefing.

mark meadows who provided a more dire assessment. here is what dr. connolly said about that today. here it is. >> the chief and i work side by side and i think his statement was misconstrued. he meant that 24 hours ago, when he and i were checking on the president, that there was a momentary episode of a high fever and a temporary drop in the saturation which prompted us to act expediently to move him up here. fortunately that was really a very transient and limited episode. a couple hours later he was back up. >> is it your assessment with all of this mixed messaging, do you think it is a mishap or a strategy? >> i don't know that anything here is strategy. i think that a pattern that we have seen for four years now is that the people who are around trump very quickly learn to put out the message that he wants to

harr or they lose their access to authority. so after mark meadows comes out and puts a more negative message into the news eco system temporarily, then he calls into fox news and saying actually it was -- he made an amazing recovery. a valiant recovery. you could almost hear trump's anger behind that second. there is no reservoir of trust. and in a situation like this, not just close to the election, but with so much on the line when there are decisions that only a president who is hopefully not in ka pass dated could make, it is a very uncertain moment for the country and the world. >> we're having a little blip with your camera, but thank you very much. i look forward to seeing you again soon. what one former advisor makes about the discrepancies is next. the discrepancies is next

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joe biden will be tested again today. this comes as biden campaign says they will now disclose the result of every covid test that the candidate takes. ally is covering the campaign for us again today. talk about this change for the biden campaign. does it all have to do with all of the exposure and that which the president is now suffering from at the hospital? >> all of the questions about when the president tested positive and when the diagnosis began are all contributing to this. this is a move of transparenty and also one of biden's health say they will be releasing the relates of all of his tests going forward. so they said that biden and

kamala harris have been tested regularly for the last few weeks. we don't know if that is every day or every other day, but we have heard that in recent days harris recently tested negative and we're waiting for the news for joe biden's team today about the test we expect him to have taken today as well. there is mounting questions about what this race looks like going forward. we know how the campaign will be handling health and coronavirus concerns. if travel continues at the same clip, if we're going for two more debate stages with joe biden and trump. that is one of the many questions. listen to what they were saying about it. >> it is going to be tested today. we're tested regularly. but i want to remind folks at home that our campaign has been adhering to the cdc guidelines.

president trump mocked vice president biden. we're not concerned because we're being safe. >> and look what she said there is true. we all watched that first debate where one of the key moments that came out of it was president trump mocking the former vice president for his consistently wearing a mask. we know that is one of the cdc guidelines that is key to stopping the virus along with social distancing and regular testing. so the biden campaign as we have seen the situation out of the white house has done a lot to try to turn the tone of the campaign away from the politics of this moment and instead saying this is a moment for unity and not for partisan politics. but they're reminding of the way they made sure they were campaigning from the start which is with social distancing guidelines in tact and following guidance of how to stop this virus. that's true for how they were

traveling the candidates. and it trickles down to the way they are running the race from a grass roots perspective, the biden campaign says they were bringing back door knocking. they were trying to tamp down the way it was effective because they were leaning into digital organizing instead. so throughout all of this we're seeing them tout the way that they're trying to keep the cdc and the other health entities online. they are trying to have a campaign as normally as they can, right? and a plexiglass barrier is not the only thing standing between congressmen and their

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see you. speaking of being an insider, i know you're familiar with the walter reed medical suite and the white house. give me a sense of what each is like and their capabilities. >> first to see you on this sunday, i spent so much time there because i'm a clutz, i fractured my foot and had today go to the white house medical wing. early on in the administration, but the white house medical unit is incredible. but when you're part of the executive medical program, i had an opportunity to go to walter reid and i spend a lot of time there because i was in that boot for about six months and i had to go back and forth. i'm so grateful for my doctors there, but let me just tell you what it is like at walter reid.

particularly the presidential suite, probably one of the most advanced medical wings. they can fully support donald trump and his covid diagnosis. the only comfort i have is knowning he is only a mile away from george washington hospital where they, too, are part of the umbrella of medical care. and the director there can also handle any kind of presidential incidents. but why go and expose the staff, the secret service, the military aides, the wonderful staff in the residence, even the junior staffers you see there going in and out. they're at risk in the trump is in the white house. >> very good point, the extent to which he would show symptoms or be someone that could infect anyone around him, that has to be considered. it has also been said that the

white house within the facility itself that pretty much anything could be treated there. do you knee to be true? >> that is certain ri true with some exceptions. some of the specialists that need to treat donald trump are at walter reid or gw. he would have to go to the white house or he would have to go to walter reid. what surprised me about him being moved, particularly with the symptoms they're describing, are symptoms that could have easily been treated at the white house. that leads me to believe that his condition is worse than what they are describing. for him to be transported means there are things they have not shared with the american people. >> you're observing what you're hearing, are you hearing anything from the people that you know that are still inside the white house about this? >> i will tell you there are

members of the staff, career staffers, who are very upset about the fact that this outbreak has happened. they're calling it the rosegarden massacre. it could have been prevented. many of those career staffers have been testing positive for covid. and they do not have access to the best cutting edge technology like the president does. they could succumb to this virus. so i'm hearing things, and a lot of it is that they just don't understand why even now the white house has not changed their mask policy. people are still being allowed to roam around the complex saying their optional. >> you may have heard anthony scaramucci that he knows of that have come down with covid. they want to remain anonymous. you have to think of all of

those people. the butlers, the gardeners, the housekeepers, people that serve food, drivers, so many people that won't get that special attention that you're talking about. so it is a lot to be concerned about whether or not the president is able to be returned back to the white house. i want to ask you about the lack of clarity around information on the president. the time line, his current condition. we're told he was taken to walter reid out of an abundance of caution. it became very concerning, and then it has been reporting that the president was not happy with meadows. you have dr. connolly today saying that was miscon trstruem why? >> when i was part of this white

house team, this was really county with what they do. trump will basically direct the comms team what to say and how to respond. and he changes his mind and his emotions from moment to moment. one moment he may say to say one thing and the next moment he would say to say something else. i was joking with mike cohen over text that mark meadows would have been fired if it were not that donald trump was in the hospital for saying what he said. certainly the messaging has been all over the place in is not the time for these types of games. the american people deserve to know what is going on with donald trump. did they find out on wednesday? was it tuesday? i'm hearing it was tuesday and he nopingly still went to fundraisers and interacted with donors and put people at risk. the american mean deserve a

clear message. now dr. connolly is playing trump's game. >> i will let that be the last word. author of the number one "new york times" best seller "unhinged." >> starting tomorrow, south carolina voters weighing in on one of the most contentious races. they debated last night spending their time on the coronavirus pandemic. >> the virus is a problem that came out of china, not trump tower. we're getting vaccines ready. the drug therapies are working, the virus is serious, but we have to move on as a nation. >> this state is suffering, people are dieing, as you mentioned earlier with b there is not enough but the urgency is

to push the supreme court justice when when two members of the committee have covid. >> leann caldwell joining us. how are voters weighing in on this, what are they making of this debate? >> hey, we'll lindsey graham is being out raising and out spent here, by watching television and all of the cam bane ads it is easy to see that graham is being out pent. the hamt of money that his challenger has for these, the latest polls show that the race is tied. something no one would have thought six months ago. he is soft among women. he is losing support, so what he is trying to do is to ensure that the republican base is really strong and backs him. that is why at last night's debate he focused not just on

the kfs, but specifically on his leading role in confirming amy coney barrett. we asked voters what they thought. we spoke with a trump supporter and and this biden supporter. >> he is bound to push forward. >> i think is the right thing to do. i don't think is one thing that causes me to believe they are shipping in. i think he has been tried and true. >> there is controversy about moving forward before election day, do you have an opinion? >> i don't. i think that is within the right of the president. i think it is funny that he has critiqued others for wanting to do the same when they have more time left in their term. i think it is a little ironic,

but up to him. >> no one thought that south carolina would be a state that could decide control of the senate, but it could be and early voting starts storm. >> that is notable. up next, go to what could be the most decisive battleground state to see how events may be shaping the minds of voters there. shaping the minds of voters there.

there are growing concerns about white house transparency. today the doctors revealed that he received supplemental oxygen twice. >> as he ever been on supplemental oxygen. >> right now he is not on oxygen. >> i know you keep saying that, but should we read into that -- >> right now he is not on oxygen. >> the president had a high fever and his oxygen saturation

was dipping below 94%. i was concerned for possible rapid progression of illness. i recommended that we try supplemental oxygen to see how he would respond. >> i didn't want to give any information that could steer the information in a different direction. >> joining me now is a former law clerk to justice sonya so sotomayor. what is up with all of this, harry. i'm going to ask you this. does the president's physician, does he have a legal obligation to be forthright with the public about the president's health? >> the short answer is no.

the problem is that the white house now has zero credibility. it has a crying wolf problem, so now when they say that nobody credits, nobody believes, but they can say whatever they want and they will. and i think you're seeing this very thing you're seeing now, and it is a false impression that things were rosier than they were. if is something they need to do and we need to be more skeptical about the information coming out than we would otherwise be. >> when i spoke with a house intell chair congressman adam schiff he told me the white house did not notify the gang of eight that the president was being admitted to the hospital, does that concern you? >> i think the entire lack of transparency has been onbrand.

they have no plan to extend it, it was general ethics to be useful. members of the staff, people in the executive, they will find this concerning and they need to engulf the 25th amendment. that is an entirely different choice. >> keeping this in the legal realm, harry, how much legal power does the president have to filter what doctors reveal about his condition. would there be any legal detriment to saying something that was not true, not even just -- just not even the full picture, but doing what is not true. >> this came up when we passed the 25th amendment. what if he had been

incapacitated. the only person that determines what was said is the president of the united states. we have him ordering people to say false things all of the time in problematic settings. if he says i want you to promote a falsely competitive type of profile, that is his call. >> could that be overridden if it is an issue of national security? >> yes, the president of the united states, going to the president. now things start leaking out. he got it once, he got it twice, what adversaries might be thinking, what the american people might now, it is now backfiring, but as melissa says, as a million matter, not a legal compunctipulsio

compulsion. >> if the president is hospitalized for some time, at what point is there a threshold, a barometer, for you to get to the point that there needs to be a conversation about the 25th amendment, a shift in power, even temporarily. >> section three of the 25th amendment, he can extend to the speaker of the house. section four of the 25th amendment makes provisions that the president has not relinqu h relinquished power temporarily. but it allows for the members of the cabinet are fit to do his duties. and that would basically press the vice president with the authority of acting president until the president is able to resume duties. >> at what point does it go to congress? you have to have like a two

thirds majority voting for this, right? can you imagine this day getting two thirds on anything? >> the 25th amendment was ratified in 1967 in the wake of the deenty assassination. i think they anticipated the level of polarization. whether or not it could be invoked without the president voluntarily relinquishing power is another question. >> could i do a quick edition to that. under the same session, he could counter it once he is more fit. >> thank you so much, i'll see you again soon. in the meantime the president's diagnosis is front and center on the campaign trail. ali velshi spoke with voters in

ohio about what their candidate should do in this critical moment. >> if you're talking to the candidates or whoever you're voting for, what in your opinion do we do at this juncture? >> i think we just need to september t accept that there is something bad out here. we have no work on the pavaccin and find a way to proceed with our daily lives. it is bad, people are dieing, and that is horrible, but at the same thing we can't just shut down everything. people still have to eat, people still have to live. >> do you feel like trump is showing the right leadership on that? >> i don't think it solely resides on the president on how we will get through this pandemic. we as a country need to get together to figure out this is what we need to do to keep our families safe but still be able to provide for our families and

do what we need to do to live. >> i think we have been negligent since day one. first, my advice is that we need a national plan. his national plan was that he didn't have any responsibility. do what you can. and now you have florida that is opening up everything, you have new york that shut down and now is doing pretty good. there is a lot of things that scientists have said that we could do as individuals, which a lot of individuals are not doing. social distancing, wearing masks, doing things outdoors, those types of things. you can do those in businesses and still keep businesses going. there seems to be a group of people out there, hard hit, i'm not going to wear a mask and that puts everybody in danger. i'm ensensed, when i see what

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and florida. florida is where we find corey. let's get to the president's recent coronavirus diagnosis and to the extent it is influencing voters. >> reporter: for the most part, when it comes to voters, independent or undecided. they have this weigh og their minds. people who know how they are voting, instead, the ones we spoke to yesterday say they are more than concerned with having a national strategy to come together and help fight coronavirus. they want more economic stimulus in the state of florida. ravaged by the virus. >> the plan for the virus, how to move forward and unite us. we are very divided right now. >> we need to come together, and try to resolve the issues that we have, instead of keep going at each other's throats. united states is the focus it is

not how are you feeling personally. ultimately is important the people as a whole. >> reporter: the last bit you heard, that is in reflection to the presidential debate. floridian, not approving of the president's performance during that debate and the rhetoric that came out. as alex mentioned, the sienna college poll shows bidep leading with a 4.2% margin of error. bringing it back to a real world example of something i experienced today. to help give people an understanding of what floridians are dealing with. out here this is a popular park. normally, precovid, it would be bustling, hundreds if not thousands of people. there are next to nobody out there. a couple of dozens. i spoke to a business owner, why is there nobody around. he said some of the businesses

are closed. they didn't survive. of the one that is reopened, customers haven't come back. it shows you, there is an example here. you have the state of florida, fully reopened. the businesses are not guaranteed to be able to bounce back. the economy is not guaranteed that way. if you have a high number of cases. which you have 2700 cases coming out on a day-to-day basis in florida. it shows you the burden that florida voters are taking to the ballot. and the issues the candidates need to intimately understand in order to win the state of florida. as we both know is a key state for trump in his battle for reelection. >> you make a good point, it is hard, 2700 new cases a day, to return to any sense of pre-covid normalcy. safe travels home. will do it for me.

senator bob casy of pennsylvania on the president's condition. and moving forward with amy coney barrett's confirmation hearing.

good afternoon, everybody, welcome, we have a lot going on in the two hours ahead. the latest on the president's medical kchblt a new briefing, revealing important nnchlgs

raising more about transparepsy. growing anger after trump officials who refuses to quar teep. >> attorney general bill barr is putting others at risk. >> the impact of the presidential debate on trump's chances, a brand new wall street journal poll, joe biden jumping to a 14-point lead nationally. we want to start with the latest from doctors caring for the president. they are aiming for the president to be released as early as tomorrow. dr. conley said he was given supplemental oxygen, why he didn't disclose this in yesterday's briefing. >> trying to reflect the up beat attitude that team, the president, his course of illness