balcony? >> right back to the beginning of the history of the white house in 1800. it was jackie kennedy who thought the blue room was too blue. and said to her husband, jack, do you think it would be okay if when we redo. blue room it's not blue anymore. and he said it's great if you can get away with it. which she did. >> viewers can see the red of the red room. on the left. the president now turning to go inside. fuzzy pictures because they're at such a great distance. he hasn't made a move to put his mask back on. and there we see someone else masked on staff.

he will presumably board an elevator on up to the residence. it's a lot. but think of what we have seen transpire in the last 30 minutes of converage done for the beneft of cameras. for the benefit of the messaging and the show must go on. first ever president who came from a 14 season reality show hosting career. >> yeah, look, i have a couple thoughts as we sort of bookend the really scary moments friday. when he was taken to the hospital. is he reemerging in the window? your eyes are better than mine. >> um, he appears to be going back out for a -- i bet they'll tape a video or something. >> video. >> yep. >> so, i have a couple thoughts. it's a good thing that the

president of the united states whomever he or she is at any moment is feeling better. it sounds like there was scary moments at least described by chief of staff friday when the president needed oxygen. and condition was so dire that they transported hip to walter reed. it's also true that he has produced the fourth video they produced. you called it a proof of life video on friday. that's the truest thing said of it. in his mind it's proof of a political life. that's what he's trying to prove. i'm still at a loss as to why he has never sought to mend his political misfortunes by mending the country's sickness. this country is sick with the coronavirus. he's sick with it too. to find any connection with the country dealing with he separates himself from it. lies about it and tries to polish it up with a television production.

>> he is back out. that's the president with his back to the camera. and the center door way. what appears to be a video camera and teleprompter facing him. in a video coming soon. to a device near you. and the light has gone on. and this is 7:02 p.m. after his return from walter reed. on this october evening in 2020. with thanks to all of our contributors with thanks to my partner nicole wallace. the time has come to direct coverage to its lawful recipient this hour. joy reid. the "the reidout" starts now. >> brian and nicole. thank you both very much. i want to echo i think what can

be described as the shock. we all feel there are moments in this job when you realize that you are witnessing some of the great horrors of history. this is a president who was just hospitalized for an intensely contagious disease. he's still highly contagious. highly contagious. and the first thing we saw when he returned to the white house. after spending -- he was at walter reed for three days. potentially with pneumonia related to covid-19. he comes back to the white house, and the first thing that we saw him do after we saw the camera lights come on because he's clearly shooting an advertisement, a video. a propaganda piece. whatever he's doing now, the first thing he did was take off his mask. he took off his mask. a highly infectious person

standing there surrounded by many other people. presumab presumably production people. potentially staff people. who knows where the white house staff is tonight. the innocent white house staff. hundreds of people who have to work in the white house and do so out of sense of loyalty and tradition. who uphold the fine eest traditions of the country have fob exposed to whatever virus is being breathed out of the mut of the president of the united states. i have never seen anything like it. honestly. this is the most irresponsible thing i have ever seen a president do. for pure ego. he's doing it simply because he can. he's using marine 1 as a prop. he's using the white house. our house as a prop. to literally spread covid-19 without a mask on. simply because he wants to make a video. he wanted to make a video. he couldn't stay in the hospital the finest hospital in the

country because he needed to get home immediately to create a commercial. i don't know what else to say. i'm going to introduce my guest. white house reporter for the los angeles times. former obama white house -- and former white house senior adviser to president obama. who herself recovered from covid-19. i don't know where to begin. i'll go down to the middle to the doctor. i apologize. i messed up the brilliant writing of a tremendous open. it would have been good. it was well done. i'm speechless. i'm stunned. i have to be honest. i'm disgusted by what i just saw. this man is contagious. just exposed secret service agents who as pointed out are the finest most professional people anyone who has ever experienced td secret service knows they are truest professionals at every moment of the job. would take a bullet for the president. not take one from the president.

what do you make of the scene? donald trump taking off his mask in front of people. >> this has been a series of cringe worthy moments and that was one of the -- i still don't know how to fully characterize to people how cringe worthy that was. and it's just -- i guess i'm not surprised. it was a motorcade one day. inside of an suv that compromise agents. it's putting doctors who are giving daily briefings on the steps of hospital. i can't help but think they're being forced to put a rosy spin. he's not out of the woods yet. watch him closely. look at tweets. i'm not afraid, don't be afraid. i feel better than i have in 20 years. with no acknowledgment 210,000 people and climbing have died from this. and that millions more are sitting wondering what will the

longer term effects of this be. zero acknowledgment. it's not just a risk to the people around him. to west wing staff, executive office staff. think about the staff going to get coffee and lunch. people have no choice but to do their jobs and doing their jobs and putting their lives at risk. it's beyond irresponsible. it's everything. malpractice, it's selfishness. i'm tired of seeing -- we want the president to recover. but i'm tired of making excuses in the name of just saying yes the president should recover. yes, he should. he should be sorry this was brought upon the people around him. and he put their lives at risk. we haven't heard one i o da of humility or sorrow. or he understands what millions of americans do and work to protect them.

you heard none of that. >> this is a it looks like he has make up on. somebody had to get close enough to make up his face. standing there as if he is a member of the old russian czar family. i don't know what that is supposed to be. it's his discount -- you suffered from covid-19 yourself. you know -- donald trump has been out of the hospital for less than an hour. he was in the hospital for a couple of days. when you experienced yourself having covid-19, how long did it take you to feel well enough to throw on make up and do video? >> i'm pret it healthy. it took me six weeks. i think what is stunning about this is really, i found jaw dropping was that he didn't wear

a mask. when i had the virus, i put on a mask to move around to go to my kitchen. i wanted to protect other people in my household. the idea that he is walking around without a mask when he knows he has the virus and contagious. we know he's contagious. it's a breathtaking amount of selfishness and the president of the united states is a virus spreader. it's shocking. he mismanaged the virus. 200,000 people died on his watch. thousands are dead. because he mismanaged the virus. and now he's spreading the virus by refusing to wear a mask. he wants video of himself looking like himself so he doesn't wear a mask? it's like i could not imagine a greater act of selfishness by a human being. let alone the president of the united states.

who is supposed to protect us. make sure we're all protected. he's doing the opposite. he's endangering people around him. >> yeah. he couldn't even protect himself. i think about this wonderful woman named mrs. reed. who i bonded with. the first black woman head usher in the white house. who took my god mother down the special elevator to meet president obama. and i have never forgotten her. the people who work in the white house many of whom are black and brown and immigrants. she was jamaican. american citizen. these are people who are hard working who have nothing to do with politics. they serve republican presidents, democratic presidents. either way they will give any of the families the best service. they are exposed to him.

they're exposed to melania. she was at a spreader event. they're exposed for no reason of their own. donald trump in the past the staff this is just a piece from the "wall street journal." as the virus spread among people close to him trump skad one not to disclose the result of their own positive test. don't tell anyone. they are discouraging people and asking people to lie and say they're don't have it. what's the mood in the white house? receiving this person back. >> i know it's been anxious and uncertain in the west wing. outside the west wing staffers working from home for several days now since the diagnosis. and we have had staffers asking us in the media to try to get answers about the president. when the president first received a positive test. when he may have been contagious. people in the white house have been around him and traveled with him. and in and around people who are traveling with him. they want to know whether they were exposed. this is very unsettling for the

people in the west wing. they just can't get any answers theps themselves. and have seen like we have the president putting the people who work for him at risk. whether the secret service agents driving the beast. as he did the drive by outside. the photographers to shoot the photographs of him signing blank pieces of paper. in a conference room. and the people who we just saw recording what is certainly a campaign video in the south foyer of the white house. as the president sat there without a mask. this is clearly a president who staffers will defend him publicly. but there is some concern now that this is very real there's a very contagious virus and an out break in and around the white house. people are nervous about it. obviously they know donald trump. we know the optics and the

self-focus. we're familiar with the narcissism. and people now are in the position where if you're around him, whether you work in the west wing or the residence or a journalist covering this administration. people are all in harm's way. i would say as far as the photo op. the obsession. you see the president take off the mask. making these videos. a lot of time the photo ops he tries to engineer they do not show the country what he thinks they show. he thinks he's projecting strength in the videos. people the polling shows that his approval rating or disapproval rating for handling of the coronavirus is 60%. the worst it's been. 60% of the country disapproving. you're seeing the careless behavior still. just like lafayette square in june. he thought it was going to show strength walking across that park and going to the church. it didn't work out for him. people saw a president who was willing to tear gas people who were protesting an exercising

first amendment rights so he could stage a photo op. when people see this behavior tonight from the walk out of the hospital to the president standing there on the balcony and showing himself to the country. example of a person who has contracted and still have covid-19. standing there without a mask around other people. i don't know that's sending a message to the country the president thinks he's sending. >> it makes him look like a monster. let's not forget the drive around he did to go around the block weakly waving from the sealed secret service included vehicle. where people were trapped in there. because he needed to drive by and get waves from fans including head of the proud boys. let's go back further. this event on saturday, where so far we know chris christy, melania, tom tils, kellyanne conway. who by the way her daughter is

now sick because of it as well. and put that on tiktok. president of noter dame were there. now all infected. there's no contact tracing being done. of the white house decided they won't contact trace. they ain't doing it. they'll keep rolling along like it it's perfectly normal. i want to talk about the complicity of doctors. there are medical facilities in the white house. here's dr. sean conly. he he is today not being able to be fully honest. there's the spread circle from the saturday event. let's listen. >> so did you over treat him and if he's on the medication how is it safe to return to the white house? >> we send patients home with medication all the time. >> how is it safe for him to return to the white house where there have been so many cases? how is any of this safe? >> so the president has been

surrounded by medical and security staff for days. wearing full ppe. >> do you remember when he had a last negative test? >> i don't want to go back ward. >> how do you keep him safely quarantined. >> i wish i could go into that more. i can't. >> any inflammation in lungs at all. >> we have done routine standard imaging. i'm not at liberty to discuss. >> we are the medical ethics? first of all there's no hippa protection for the president of the united states. it's national security. can you walk us through the reality. not this freak show we saw in little donald trump video that he created. if somebody is sick with covid-19, let's say for instance he got infected on saturday. or maybe he spread is saturday.

and he's been asymptomatic thursday. i know people who have had covid-19 and initially sent home with tylenol and later had to check themselves into the emergency room. is donald trump out of the woods because he's in the white house? does that show indicate he's healthy. >> no. i think that's everything you're pointing out is illustrating that not only are we not getting a complete picture, the doctor i'm sure he's incredible accomplished. unfortunately you are defined by the moments when you have to be incredibly objective. and ethical. first do know harm. that's the oath we take. what he's doing is actively propagating harm and you can't help but wonder if it's because he's trying to please the president. you have seen this before with the previous white house physician.

this is a pattern where the president has consistently surrounded himself by people who tell him what he wants to hear. and what you're seeing unfortunately is the collision of that with a virus who doesn't care what the title is or what you want to hear. it is just going to work through your body the way the virus knows how. so it's inconsistent and to your point it's unethical. to just selectively reveal and cite hip a when you don't want to talk about the critical facts. and selectively the temperature was this. he's in good spirits and ready fo get back out there. i can't talk about issue -- i don't want to look back. public health 101. we're in a pandemic. if you can't look back in order to look forward, have your medical license taken away. i never get this serious and critical. i don't know him personally. there no doubt in my mind that the president, his family, and

to your point the staff who are putting their lives on the line are not serviced by this physician in his current demeanor. that is just without a doubt not happening. >> it is boggles the mind this is the president that wants to take healthcare away from 20 million people. he wants to get rid of obamacare because obama is in it. he gets blue chip healthcare that he got for $750 in taxes. he gets the best healthcare. don't be afraid of covid-19. you live in the white house you have a hospital. you have walter reed. can you talk about sort of the biden campaign has been very -- they have shown great restraint. i'm having trouble. i'm supposed to. i'm on tv. i don't know how to even how the

biden camp should respond. somebody who has intimate knowledge of the affordable care act and gone through covid-19. what can they do about this display? >> i think the truth is the american people have made a judgment about donald trump's behavior. and it is that they find him to be wrong. he's mishandled the virus and they basically think he's responsible for getting sick. two to one. 60% of americans think he's has a responsibility here for his sickness and mishandled the virus. i think you're right. this whole picture points to a president who uses the privilege of the office, who have healthcare for himself. desperately working to take away healthcare from over 20 million people in a pandemic. that's what the supreme court fight is about. his lawsuit is about. and i also think we should not lose sight of basic fact.

which is that today the white house refuses to tell us when the president's last negative test was. and they refuse to contact trace. and i think that raises an enormous number of questions about when the president was actually sick. i mean we can't take the word of the white house on this. and also what his role is or has been in possibly infecting other people. people in his debate prep. people in the white house. they won't answer this question. i think we have to ponder the fact the possibility i should say that the president has already got people sick. he is part. that is why they are not sharing facts with the american people. >> it's almost too cool to call him typhoid trump. typhoid mary didn't realize she was sick.

she was a symptomatic and didn't realize she had it. he knows he has it. he's willing to get people sick and people should go along with it. he did mean it when he said herd mentality. that's what he's going with. thank you all very much. joining me now senior columnist. tim, all i can think when i see this, donald trump ripping off a mask and showing off his orange face. a made up face. 25th amendment. bill crystal tweeted earlier today the fourth article of the amendment might need to be in place. this is somebody who is on all sorts of medication with side effects. we don't know what they are. in terms of his psychological condition and whatever else. here he is behaving in this way. you know this man. what is this? what is happening?

>> this is donald trump fully formed without any regard for the well being of the country. the people around him, or anything else. you and i have been talking about this stuff together for i think at least four years maybe five. and. >> five years. >> and on different weeks i think some conversations have begun with does this surprise you? or is this surprising. we have had the cycles of outrageous despicable behavior. i have to say, this is the first time in his entire presidency that i have been surprised by trump. what you're witnessing right now is somebody who knows he's ill, and he's willing to expose everyone around him. for the sake of his own ego. this is how damaged and disturbed and dangerous this man is. and it's easy to get hyper bollic about trump. there is no reason right now given what we witnessed over the

last few days not to call it for exactly what it is. he is an unhinged man who doesn't discipline himself. lacks capacity to do that. and part of the party that will not step in and restrain him. it's very -- every doctor who looks at the regime the medical rej min he went through. there's a good chance he's very h hopped up right now on steroids and not feeling the full infection. and he will in a few days. most likely. this is man who has his finger on the nuclear button. control of the military. runs a federal government that touches every aspect of american lives. and there's no reason for anyone in the country right now to trust his decision making is lucid. that it is generous. that it is sophisticated and trustworthy. every box you want to tick off

right now about whether or not we should trust this man in the moment in this presidency says no, no, no, and there should be an intervention. this is the bottom. we are watching the bottom. >> you heard reporting that his name sake son is concerned. about his behavior. don't go anywhere. i want to keep you here. i want to bring in associate professor at the center for policy and research and emergency medicine at oregon health and science university. tim mentioned the steroid. what are the side effects of the steroid medication he is on? there are psychological side effects? behavioral side effects potentially? >> there certainly are a number of side effects steroids including mania and psychosis. and not everyone experiences

that. they are a big risk. so much so when we put people on high doses for covid-19, we all know that we'll watch people carefully. for the behaviors. it's not just the steroids to be clear. they are just one thing. it's the covid-19 itself has and dipping oxygen levels can effect brain function. and numerous new medications and you're an older person in and out of the hospital and the environment is changing. that can have an effect on your mental status and judgment. your psychological state. there's a phenomena among older patients called sun downing. you get completely confused. he has multiple reasons to have flux waiting mental status changes. over the past few days. >> just to be clear.

the steroids are for somebody having trouble breathing? is that what it's for? >> the steroids -- we commonly use them for asthma and respiratory illness. in particular steroids have been one of the very few things that have been shown to have evidence in improving the course of covid-19 for people with lung disease and low oxygen levels specifically. just the fact he's on steroids and has severe covid-19. >> just to be -- >> sorry. >> would you ever advise somebody a patient of a diseass

trar transmitted by aerosol. allowing people to come that close to him. it was so painful to watch. and it really was like watching somebody on tv inflict deliberate harm to people around them. with no regard for their well being. and i can imagine that's playing out 100 times into the residence. i'm thinking of the staff. the white house staff. many a couple have already been affected. are they provided personal protective equipment? wearing n. 95 masks. do they have any choice in the matter?

in the white house with someone who clearly the minute he has an opportunity will take off his mask. my heart went out to people who lively hood rely on being there and take the risk every day. it is so painful. it's like if i were there i would have a hard time not rescuing people from the environment. >> same here. a few headlines for those of you watching this evening. the white house has no plans to mandate masks. none. no plans to mandate the staff and visitors wear masks on the grounds of white house even after trump tested positive. more information on two white house resident staff members who earlier tested positive. not related to what happened over the week. they worked for the housekeeping on the third floor. they were told to use discretion in discussing it. donald trump said don't be afraid of covid-19. 210,000 people dead. don't be afraid.

there were two -- i'll come back to you. i want to pose there are two models for presidential behavior when you have done poorly in messaging on covid-19 going in. there is the the model you come out and say i'm the strongest person in the worl. it didn't take me. you didn't tell anybody what you went through. and the boris johnson. he came out humble. this nearly killed me. and i now have a greater respect for the healthcare services and for immigration. it was an immigrant doctor who treated him. the floor is yours. >> the trump model. this sort of demonstration of brute force. and blunt leadership. in the moment we're in now. other leaders have taken this on from trump. and donald trump is never going to evolve. he's a psychologically troubled

man and infant who is incapable of evolving. boris johnson learned from his mistakes and adjusted. that's what we try to do in life. trump has never done this. one of the things when she was speaking earlier, at that moment i want to bring up. we don't have the president's medical records. and before all of this happened. we don't know what medications he has been on prior to this. now he's had an entire kitchen sink of medication thrown at him to treat the coronavirus. i wonder if the doctor had thoughts on the fact you have someone who is being completely opaque about the current treatment. and already opaque about previous med kical history. the buy logical perfect storm it could create. >> he would have had to disclose@doctors treating him at

walter reed. he was checked in before. we never found out what it was for. he had a mark in his hand. that was murky. he would have had to disclose that. what do you make of the question the previous medical conditions. whatever they are. >> presumably his physicians have full access to his medical record. i say that with hesitation. it seems like all bets are off with this president. dictating his care. what the doctors know and don't know. it's up to him. it's true there's a lot of mystery surrounding him that make it difficult for observer like myself to really understand his full risk profile. how medication he's on might interact with the new medications he's given and of course a complete end of one. how patients like him will do. he received experimental therapy with a new therapy. and layers and layers of

uncertainty and newness when it comes to how he'll do. there's a lot in the mix we don't know. he's a complex patient. there's plenty of potential for drug interaction. depending on what he's on. he's the last person who will have a simple straightforward course. >> yeah. because he doesn't pay taxes, he's getting this for $750. when we're all paying for it. that's free to you donald trump. we're paying for it. you don't pay taxes. thank you for putting up with me. thank you very much. donald trump coronavirus diagnosis should be a reckoning for his congress who enabled worst impulses including playing down the pandemic in the first place. if they had common sense. according to the "washington post" republicans are worrying really that the party will pay a heavy price. there's a panic before this started now we're sort of the stupid part. cochair of the protrump super-pack.

sort of is working hard in the sentence. the party seems content to live down to the name today. commission on presidential debates approved a plexi glass barrier at the vice president debate. at senator harris's request. if she wants a fortress around herself have at it. three republican senators tested positive. utah, north carolina and wisconsin. despite the house being on fire republicans saying it's all fine. and moving forward with the attempt to steal a supreme court seat anyway. while millions are already voting. here's what senator johnson said today from isolation ant a vote on judge barrett and the handling of the virus. >> if we have to go in and vote. i have already told the leadership i'll go in a suit. we think it's important. what we ought to do and i'll

probably get beat up in the press, we should have filed the sweden model. protect the vulnerable and allow society to carry on with life. as carefully as possible. >> pass science class to wear a moon suit. your adviser to lincoln project. author of it was all a lie. the stupid party. so says one. stewart, i just want to get your reaction to that scene which hopefully we can show again. i was coming in prepared to really focus in on the drive around walter reed stunt that he pulled the other day. he beat that today. he drove around so he could wave from behind the sealed glass with secret service agents trapped inside. while he had a simple mask. just so he could wave to supporters and feel good about himself for five seconds. shoot a video with the proud

boys out there. the head of it. today he walked up to our house up the steps of our white house, took off the mask and faced humans. faced people. while he is highly contagious. your thoughts? >> i think this is going to go down in a tough competition between the worst photo op in trump's presidency. this or the bible holding. i don't know who keeps coming up with these ideas. they ought to shut up. this is a terrible idea. he looks like an idiot. a guy jacked up on steroids talking about his opponent taking a drug test. he'll go into a debate now on the mother of all performance enhancing drugs? steroids? i don't think the people -- the party is stupid. i don't think people are stupid. they see it as a silly stunt. he's walking into a hot zone. this is a guy that turned his

own home into a hot zone because of denial and lies and general stupidity. so, i think this is all take a guy in a really bad place politically and put him in a worse place. >> the party is so greed did and gravelishous to get the supreme court. 3 million votes are in the can. people are voting now. the election is now. they are greedy for the seat they packed into the renovated rose garden. and packed on in there. and a bunch have covid-19 now. probably more will end up with it. it's the party. ron johnson the genius who thinks the -- he said go to the sweden model. record the highest death tally

in 150 years. >> they don't think what they did was correct. leave it to him to -- what's happening now is a culmination of factors at work in the party for a listening time. antiscience, antielite, antiknowledge, antitruth. combination. where they look at higher education as some sort of conversion therapy for socialism. you end up with what? a couple hundred thousand people plus dying. and more on the way. the reality of the election is covid-19 is on the ballot. if you think everything is going great in the country with covid-19, vote for this guy. i don't think most people do. most people understand there's no end to address this. and the only way we'll change pattern, change path on covid-19 is change presidency. joe biden knows that. he's presenting a calm exterior. he doesn't seem to capitalize on

this. overtly. but trump is digging himself in deeper with the party help. >> let's do three items for you. lindsey graham i don't know if you watched this south carolina debate. talking about covid-19 during the debate this weekend. >> the one thing i want people to know is that the virus is serious. we have to move on as nation. when a military member gets an infection you don't shut down the unit. we'll have a hearing for amy coney barrett the nominee to the supreme court. it will be done safely. i have a joe biden to do and i'm pressing on. >> here's the response. >> we're not going to blame the president. we shouldn't. we shouldn't blame anybody. for the inception of the disease. where blame should come is how we handled this diseasement whether or not we take it seriously. tonight i am taking it seriously. i put this plexi glass up.

>> meanwhile in iowa, jone ernt apologized for conspiracy theories. and suggesting this. that healthcare workers might be inflating the numbers to get higher reimbursement from medicare. that's the stuff rick scott used to do when he ran a medical company. not medical workers. she offered an apology to healthcare workers. i'm sorry my word offended you. you think? essential workers blah blah blah. having gone that far down, how does the republican party even recover as an entity after this era? >> i wrote a book it was pessimistic about the republican party. i finished a year ago. i keep waking up thinking i was way overly optimistic. if i said a year ago in october

going into the second debate, we would have a disease that killed the largest number of people in 100 years. that we have the worst economy since the depression. and maybe worse. by the way you can't leave the country. you can't drive to canada. you can't drive to mechanics xi. you can only go to serbia. people would have said i was crazy. that's what we're in. a lot of times we focus on the weirdness of donald trump. if he was a normal president like a bores guy like mike pence. he would be headed to record defeat. as is trump. you have 21% of the people think the country going in the right direction. and that's going down every day. the republicans here -- what i just don't get is the moral collapse. if we had the same death rate as germany, which is 111 out of 1

million. instead of 550 which is america's death rate. 160,000 plus people would still be alive. that's a lot. they contributed to this. it's historic. it's one if not the greatest public policy disaster in american history. >> yeah. stepping over the bodies to rush and grab a supreme court seat. that's all they care about. i have never seen anything like it. i said it before my father leaned way republican. he was a reagan guy. he's turning in his grave. i don't know what this is. thank you. i appreciate your time tonight. and your book is excellent. hopefully people read it. we'll continue to follow the breathtaking developments that are happening tonight. the very contagious donald trump returning to the white house. he thinks he has a great moment. this is amazing. it's really not. he says he's getting back on the campaign trail. good, lucky supporters.

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tonight donald trump said he'll be back on the campaign trail soon. with 29 days to go it's a tale of two campaigns. tweeting a storm from the hospital. one of his surrogates is stick mocking joe biden for wearing a mask. >> with regard to joe biden. i think too often he's used a mask as a prop. we can't all stay in basement for the rest of our lives. >> it's not a prop. it's to save your life. trump has shown he cares more about waving to supporters than the health of those around him. with that little joyride he took yesterday. and joe biden.

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donald trump clearly sees the same polls we do, and must realize he's losing the election, so he and his party are trying to stop americans from voting. a couple examples. the associated press reports when donald trump's campaign took issue with a new rule on processing some votes in north carolina, it wrote to some of the states' 100 local election offices with extraordinary guidance. ignore that rule. meanwhile, pennsylvania republicanerize asking the supreme court to strike down an extension that would allow ballots that are postmarked by election day to be counted even if their arrive after election day. meanwhile, in texas, voting rights groups are suing after their governor orders each county can only have just one ballot dropoff location, disregarding that some counties are larger and much more populous than others. i'm joined by two great guests. ari berman and natasha brown, cofounder of black voters

matter. thank you both. ari, what are the biggest hot spots and threats? i read three examples to voters in this already occurring voting season. >> those are really good examples you picked, joy. in north carolina, they're basically telling election officials to ignore the law. in pennsylvania, they're trying to throw out hundreds of thousands of ballots. in texas, they're going from 12 voting locations to drop off your mail-in ballot in harris county which is 2.4 million registered voters for one for a county larger than 27 states. so republicans are really throwing the kitchen sink when it comes to suppressing votes. they're not just attacking vote by mail. they're attacking voting in person. they're lying about voter fraud. they're making it harder to count votes. and the further president trump slips in the polls, the more i imagine they will rely on voter suppression as their only strategy to try to win because they can't talk about 200,000 people dying or 10 million people out of work or all the

ways they failed. they're going to try to suppress votes to entrench power through antidemocratic means. >> natasha, you're on a tour with black voters matter going through the south. tell me, first of l what kind of impediments you're concerned for voters, particularly in the southern states that are hot in terms of the election, but also on the term of voter intimidation. donald trump called out for a trump army of poll watchers to watch voters. i don't know if he wants proud boys or whatever. what are you concerned about as we're already voting? >> there are three things i think the republicans will use. they're try to use restricting access, ballot access. we're seeing that, as ari raised, in south carolina, in texas, in pennsylvania. secondly, we're also seeing where they are using and weaponizing the court system and litigation. we know they increased their litigation amount from 10 million at the beginning of the

year. by april, it's 20 million. they're 245 plus cases that are pending right now related to coronavirus, lawsuits related to voting. and the third thing is to create this culture of fear, of confusion and chaos, so what we have been seeing and hearing that people are going -- are really ready to go against that. but there are poll workers and watchers saying they're going to be in their communities, they're not going to be intimidated and we're seeing that across the board. and misinformation. we have seen rallies and information that uses even our own organization that falsely uses the name of our organization so they can trick people and bring them into the chaos. >> i know it happened to you because we have a tweet from you that talked about even the black voters matter logo was appropriated by somebody else selling t-shirts for a pro trump event. they were a vendor at that event. there's even some obfuscation

going on. >> all across the board we're seeing that. we're seeing there's fake information that's being passed out to people in the black communities. there are comrmercials that are running and supported by republicans giving bad information. we're seeing just like black voters matter freedom fest that was not sponsored by us. they illegally used our logo and literally said this was an event for pro trump, all across the board. they are desperate because they're losing. >> very quickly, ari, what should people do to protect themselves as they vote? >> the most important thing people need to do is first off, register to vote. there are huge registration deadlines in a bunch of key states, in arizona, florida, georgia, ohio, texas, et cetera. people need to make a plan to vote early. vote early by mail or vote early in person. make that plan now. and recognize that trump is the biggest superspreader, not just when it comes to covid but when it comes to attacks on the

democratic process and voting rights. lee he's going to try to demobilize people because he knows if there is record turnout, if people vote in record numbers he will lose. the fact trump is spending every day lying about voter fraud and attacking voting rights is an affirmation that people actually have power when it comes to voting. i think in response to everything we're seeing right now, we're going to see record numbers of people turn out and register their discontent with the president and say they're going to use their vote to change things in this country. >> and i also -- >> the other thing he loves -- sure. >> i think it's really important for us to know people are unraveling democracy. this isn't just about this election. this is about the unraveling of democracy. >> yeah, no, absolutely. you're absolutely right. thank you, both. i want to read a tweet from this day, this was in 2014. october 5, 2014. this was donald trump tweeting, what the hell is obama doing in allowing all of these potentially very sick people to continue entering the u.s., exclamation point.

is he stupid or arrogant? it seems like he was having some prophecy about his current what he did today, october 5th, of 2020. thank you, ari, natosha, thank you. a live nbc news town hall is next with joe biden. joe biden. tonight, joe biden in the arena. his first primetime appearance since the president's hospitalization. >> it's a reminder to all of us, we have to thak this virus seriously. >> facing our questions live on where the race stands now. >> this is not a partisan moment. this is an american moment. >> and hearing from voters about their concerns, face-to-face, in the biggest