good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington, where we have not seen president trump since his return to the white house in that heavily choreographed photo op on the truman balcony, raising questions about his current condition as he continues a two-day tweetstorm from the residence, tweeting more than 40 times overnight and this morning. the covid outbreak inside the building continues as close aide stephen miller, the president's top speechwriter and an ardent immigration foe, becomes the 18th person from the white house staff testing positive. his wife, mike pence spokeswoman katy miller, previously had the virus but she left the vice presidential debate team last night in salt lake city to return to d.c. meanwhile the outbreak now including top military officials. joint chiefs chairman general mark milley is quarantining

after being in close proximity to the vice commandant of the coast guard who also tested positive. he and defense secretary mark esper were both at the white house for an event last weekend. as the administration navigates this crisis, vice president mike pence is preparing to debate senator kamala harris tomorrow night, now agreeing to plexiglass barriers after pence aides repeatedly mocked the harris team for wanting an additional level of safety. joining me now, nbc white house correspondent and "weekend today" co-host peter alexander. nbc's mike memoli in salt lake city ahead of the vice presidential debate. robert gibbs, former press secretary to president obama, and dr. vin gupta, pulmonologist and global health policy expert at the university of washington medical center. peter alexander, you heard from chief of staff mark meadows this morning. what is the latest on the president's condition? because we haven't heard from the doctors in two days except for a brief statement. and the schedule, because there was some suggestion from meadows that he might even be wanting to go into the oval office,

conceivably. that raises a lot of questions. you have to walk from the residence through all those corridors, to the elevator, presumably, his elevator, down through the other corridors in the white house, to the oval office, while they're trying to control the spread. >> yeah, not exactly isolation like you would imagine and like they've said they would be enforcing for this parking lot. >> exactly. >> in terms of his covid diagnosis right now, his infection. to give you a sense of the white house very quickly, andrea, this is a place that's in crisis and largely empty right now. having been in there very briefly in the west wing, it's effectively a ghost town with a limited staff working right now, given so many people have either become infected or been quarantined as a result. as it relates to mark meadows here, a short time ago when we had a chance to speak to meadows outside the north lawn position where we are finishing up another interview, we were about 20 feet away, remember, he was exposed to the president multiple times at walter reed

and again in his meetings here at the white house, spoke a little bit about the president's condition, saying he continues to do extremely well and insisted that he's working hard. take a listen. >> his schedule right now is fluid. we're looking at his prognosis from a health standpoint. he wanted to go to the oval yesterday. if he decides to go to the oval, we've got safety protocols there that are, uh, not only from a ppe standpoint but from a ventilation standpoint in the oval where we can actually work to that end as well. >> if you listen closely to that sound bite, it sounded like meadows was saying there was a possibility the president may go to the oval office if not today then sometime soon. i pressed him on why there has not been any mandate on social distancing or wearing of masks at the white house given this outbreak ricochetting throughout building here and among the president's aides and allies. he said they do socially distance as best is practical.

he said when they can't do that, they wear masks. but if you put up this picture from 11 days ago, andrea, this is the rose garden event where they celebrated the announcement of amy coney barrett as the president's pick to replace ruth bader ginsburg. you can see very few masks, certainly no social distancing. more than 120 people were in the rose garden at the time. we know many of knows who have become infected were among those present there. so it really raises some new questions about whether they did anything. we still don't know from meadows whether the president was tested every day. the white house hasn't said when his last negative test happened as well. we're still trying to get to those answers and hopefully getting a chance to talk to his doctor at some point today, but no indication that that will happen either. >> and from the video we just looked at, we can say senator mike lee, who tested positive, is a hugger. he's hugging everyone in sight. i mean, even if they weren't wearing masks, it's so unusual to see people hugging in this day and age.

nobody around us hugs for, you know, seven months now. >> and andrea, to interrupt very briefly, you make an important point. beyond the interactions you see right there, meadows said at this point they've finished their contact tracing, we're told by white house officials, they've not identified that rose garden event as the source of these infections. they said they have indications it may have happened elsewhere. one possible place it could have happened would have been the debate prepping for president trump last week. chris christie, hope hicks, kellyanne conway, stephen miller, the president himself, and others were there, many of them testing positive. >> really good point there. dr. vin gupta, it's almost a textbook of what not to do in looking these white house pictures, and what people can't see is just how close these corridors are, how small the spaces are, except for the oval office, but -- where you can obviously open doors out to the rose garden and the president could walk through the colonnade and through the rose garden, he doesn't have to go inside the white house to actually get to the oval office. but other than the president of

the united states himself, there are so many people working in really tiny spaces. >> good morning, andrea. you're right, and i think what's most alarming is that the d.c. department of health has not been given the information that they need regarding the number of positive staffers, the number of individuals at that event, who might have actually been exposed so they can contact trace. they've reached out several times, the white house, per reporting, has not actually given them that information. that's unusual, because at the very least you would think that that information would be provided for their -- for the safety of the staffers and then their loved ones. because as you know, this can exponentially get out of hand quickly, so that is concerning. i think that any movement -- this is how -- if the president was in a hospital, and the president in most cases -- if the president was any other person, he would still be in a t hospital. we would not be giving

medications like dexamethasone that you're prescribed for ten days if you have severe covid-19. i've cared for many of these patients, we don't discharge patients who have significant medical profiles. let's say he's in the white house medical unit. he should have remained there in whatever type of isolation they have for his benefit. he shouldn't be moving around needlessly. he looked like he was gasping for breath on that modified stress test up the white house stairs a few days ago. that's number one. for his benefit, he should be resting, and number two, for the benefit of others. him walking around with or without a mask is needless exposure and it doesn't happen for anybody else with covid-19 in any type of medical facility that has covid-19 pneumonia and is getting treatment for it. >> to your point for contact tracing, they refused to use the cdc, who are the experts on all this. using the white house, presumably their own list of guests. but they're not professional contact tracers, nor did they do

it right away so you've already lost all of those days. i want to ask you about suggestions that the president could be reacting to the steroids. when he said in that video "i haven't felt this great in 20 years," he seemed unnaturally sort of up. what about steroids and the fact that he could be having a physical reaction? because that's certainly something tsuggested regarding t erratic behavior on the stimulus bill, you know, no, then yes, then maybe. with huge market implications and implications for millions of americans. >> so certainly, dexamethasone, we're using this term to frequently, i think we take for granted, it's a new term for many american people. it is a very powerful steroid. sometimes people get something called prednisone if they have as tea owe arthritic pains,

joint pains, doctors will sometimes prescribe that. dexamethasone is multiple times more powerful than that and the president is getting probably six milligrams every day. that's enough, for somebody not used to it, to experience euphoria, in some cases delirium in a hospital setting. certainly insomnia. i bet he's not getting ai gre t night of sleep. covid-19 wreaks havoc by overactivating the immune system and damaging the lungs. so he's at risk from a secondary infection from, say, a bacteria. so him going around willy-nilly without a mask and appropriate protections is dangerous for his own health. definitely mental status changes can be expected, andrea. >> robert gibbs, you worked in the white house. can you imagine the press secretary, all these other close aides, hope hicks, now the pentagon implicated as well, it is "home alone" there, because

people are afraid to come to work, and they should be working from home now, those who have not become infected. >> andrea, look, we've all had to do this, since march. you know, we've been lucky, many of us have been lucky. we're not front line workers, but we're able to go into our homes. we're able we're able to conduct business. there's absolutely no reason that most of the white house staff could do that. should a few people be there? yes. should they be socially distanced? yes. should they be wearing masks? yes, we're six months late on that. but people exposed directly to the president and hope hicks ought to be quarantined. the exact model of behavior that we've been asking the american people to do for six or seven months, they turn on the tv now and they see that the building most identified with our democracy is paying no attention to those rules. and the building with the most

resources available to it of any building maybe in the world has no interest in doing contact tracing. let's be clear. they're not doing contact tracing because they don't have the wherewithal to do it. they're not doing contact tracing because quite frankly they don't want to know the answer. they don't want to tell you, andrea. they don't want to tell peter who else has this disease. they're being willfully ignorant on these facts. and i think it's obvious. the doctor comes out and answers no questions. if peter has a chance to ask the doctor questions today, i can bet you everything that i have that he's not going to get an answer. and such is what is happening now with where we are in covid-19 in 2020. >> and that brings us to the debates, because the president now says he's going to go to the debate next week. but we still don't know what his viral load is. mike memoli, joe biden said yesterday that he will go to the debate but only if he knows the

president is not infectious. how are they going to get that information from the white house? and what do you expect from tonight's debate? >> yeah, andrea, the last 24 hours as it relates to the vice presidential debate, there's been this discussion of course about those plexiglass barriers. a request that came from the harris team in part for two reasons, really. one, because frankly the lack of trust in the debate commission, the fact that they weren't enforcing their own rules in clevela cleveland, whether or not the president did report or positive or negative test, his staffers and family not wearing masks, and was the president tested before he left cleveland. there are white house advisers and people close to pence himself who tested positive. they want that extra degree of assurance. and then the question of what this means for miami next week. you heard the former vice president yesterday say, while he hopes to have the opportunity to debate president trump next

week, that he wants to hear and wants to make sure that he's not contagious still. the mayor of miami, a republican, by the way, also saying that he should not be traveling to miami if he's still potentially contagious. now, the stakes for tonight are that much higher in part because, frankly, the country is that much more keenly aware of the role of the vice president to step in potentially to be president if the worst were to happen. now, the harris team, raising expectations in the last hour, saying that vice president mike pence will have to answer for the president and his handling of the coronavirus. and by the way, pence does himself, because he has been of course the head of that task force. they also point out that when we think back to cleveland and that chaotic scene, that mike pence, a much more polished debater, may not be interrupting senator harris in the same way that president trump was interrupting joe biden, but as a senior adviser on the biden campaign put it, that doesn't mean he'll

be telling the truth, andrea. >> he is certainly more polite, much more polite, and he's an experienced politician, unlike the president. peter alexander, i want to talk about something that was so moving to me, and that is general mike hayden. he's been suffering for two years, fighting a really debilitating stroke, but regain his speech. he suffers from an aphasia, a speech difficulty, trying to relearn how to walk. great military man, was the head of the cia, the head of the nsa in the george w. bush years. he came out in support of joe biden. take a look at this. >> if trump gets another term, i think many alliances will be gone. and america will be alone. and that's a real, real problem. i absolutely disagree with some of biden's policies.

but that's not important. what's important is the united states. and i'm supporting joe biden. >> peter alexander, they should be taking this seriously. this is a very impactful endorsement for the military community in a lot of red states. >> andrea, he's not alone, he joins a chorus of members of that military community who have expressed their not just reservations but frustration and deep distrust of president trump and how he's governing at president. michael hayden, the four-star air force general, stanley mcchrystal, endorsing joe biden a couple of days ago. mike hayden spoke to the sort of loss of alliances, our role in the world as a leader. he said if president trump wins a second term, he said all of our friends would be gone, andrea. >> peter alexander, mike memoli, robert gibbs, dr. vin gupta,

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president trump doing another about-face on the coronavirus stimulus package after markets plunged when he tweeted he was breaking off all talks. then he wrote, "i have instructed my investments to stop negotiating until after the election when immediately after i win, we will pass a major stimulus bill." the markets then crashed so he zigzagged back, signaling he might accept a smaller standalone bill. on a democratic caucus call tuesday afternoon, speaker pelosi was quoted as saying, "believe me, there are people who thought, who think, that steroids have an impact on his thinking." pelosi speaking out this morning on "the view." >> it's hard to see any clear, sane path in anything that he's doing. the fact is that he saw the political downside of his state of walking away. all he has ever wanted in the negotiation was to send out a

check with his name printed on it. >> is it time to pick up the phone? do you want to go over to the white house? what's the best way to work this out now? >> i wouldn't go anywhere near the white house. it's one of the most dangerous places in the country. >> joining me now is jason fuhrman, former chairman of the council of economic advisers in the obama administration. jason, you've been part of these talks and you've seen the way it's supposed to work. there's really no communication, because how does pelosi or anyone negotiate with mnuchin or meadows, even, when they don't know what the president is going to tweet? >> yeah, when i was in government, i thought it was dysfunctional because we would come to an agreement at 11:59 p.m., the day before it needed to happen. that is looking, you know, absolutely stellar. i think the fact the president has been so erratic, didn't put out a plan until the end of july, kept changing his plan, did an illegal executive action,

negotiate, don't negotiate, it's so hard dealing with. >> and the fed chair has been really explicit about this, jerome powell, speaking before the president tweeted about ending the talks. let's listen to what jay powell had to say. >> a long period of unnecessarily slow progress could continue to exacerbate existing disparities in our economy. that would be tragic, especially in light of our country's progress on these issues in the years leading up to the pandemic. >> so jason, for the fed chair to say this could be tragic consequences, that's as dire as warning as you're going to hear from anybody in the federal reserve. and this is hardly going to be the great "v"-shaped recovery that the president keeps bragging about on the campaign trail when he was out there. >> that's exactly right, andrea. he actually got off to a decent start, not perfect, but a decent

start with the c.a.r.e.s. act. but that ended abruptly at the end of july and we're entering a dangerous people for the economy. the danger doesn't manifest itself instantly, people have some savings, but they're running out of that savings. the virus have starting to spread more. and so we're entering, you know, more dangerous and more uncharted territory, completely unnecessarily, because we know what we can do for the economy, we just need to do it. >> the president indicated in another tweet last night that he might approve money for the airlines as a separate -- and small business, as a separate bill. we've heard from some senators, more moderate senators, they might be willing to go along with that, democrats as well as republicans. they're all over the place on the hill. and would it be enough to just do airlines and small businesses? and not do state and local government, which seems to be a red line for the president, because he says it would be helping blue state mayors and governors. >> yeah.

so i personally don't even love what's being done for airlines. i think you shouldn't do something for one industry that you don't do for everyone else. even if you thought that was a good idea, it's only for one part of the economy. it doesn't help the rest of the economy. and what you're seeing is one industry can take care and protect itself because it's a concentrated interest. the broad interest of hundreds of millions of americans is being lost in the shuffle because that's in no way adequate for the tens of millions of people getting unemployment insurance right now through no fault of their own because there just aren't jobs in our economy. >> jason furman, so great to get a reality check from you, thanks. please come back often. and everyone stay safe out there. this afternoon, two british citizens who fought for the islamic state will be in a federal courtroom in alexandria, virginia. an eight-count indictment was

announced against the two men, dubbed the beatles, because of their accents. they're charged with torture and beheadings of more than two dozen hostages, among them four americans who had been captured in syria and treated brutally including kayla muller, an aid worker from arizona killed in 2015 after 18 months in isis captivity, and american journalist james foley killed alongside fellow journalist stephen satnov plus an aid worker. they'll come to court finally, and to justice, this afternoon. returning to the coach i vi crisis, cases are climbing across the nation. montana hitting a new daily high. the state's senator jon tester joins me next. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. watching "andreal reports. this is msnbc. - [narrator] the shark vacmop combines powerful suction

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rural america." senator, good to see you, thanks for being with us. congratulations on your book. you've learned so well how to run successfully in a red state. tell us some of your lessons right now, especially as you've got covid on the rise in montana. >> well, look, andrea, first of all, it's great to be with you. thanks for the opportunity. there are basic rules in politics. they apply to rural america too. being authentic is one, showing up is another. and making sure you listen first and speak second. i think those are three things right off the top. there's much more than that, but those are three things that i think when you go into rural america, you should keep in mind moving forward. i can tell you from a democratic perspective, and i've been involved now in major politics now for over 20 years, it's important that you let people know what you stand for. but listen first and try to find that common ground and talk

about the challenges and talk about solutions to those challenges. i think that it is as simple as that. but i will tell you that it's also hard work. if you aren't willing to put in the work, then you certainly can't win. >> how do you deal with covid in a rural state, with a small population, when the president comes out, takes off his mask, says it's no worse than the flu, misinformation coming from, you know, the president of the united states, from the white house. how do you counteract that with your constituents? >> listen to science. and that's really the bottom line. if you follow what science is recommending, it can help solve this problem. it's the reason other countries' economies are ahead of ours, it's because they've listened to science. wearing a mask is important. is it a pain in the neck? yeah, it's a pain in the neck, i hate it. the truth is i can't afford to be sick and neither can anybody else. so wear a mask, socially distance. make sure you use good hygiene.

don't get into big groups. if you do, you're just asking for it. this is a very contagious virus that if you treat it with respect, it may show some mercy. if you don't, and you just kind of fly by the seat of your pants and not pay any attention to what science is doing, you'll end up in a situation where your number of cases are going to go through the roof. we're there in montana. we were told this was coming last summer. and we're just going to have to double down on what science is telling us, what the cdc is telling us, and listen to what governor bullock is trying to tell us, and a that is, mask up. >> now, do you have concerns about national security? you're the top democrat on the veterans affairs committee. now you have pentagon officials, starting with mark milley, who are quarantining because of the infection at the white house and the pentagon. >> exactly right, andrea. i will tell you that those guys can't afford to get sick either.

and it is critical for our national security interests. these folks track our adversaries every day. they know what's going on. if any of these folks go down, it really does compromise our national security. >> what about steve bullock and that race, that's a tough senate race but one democrats really want to win if they're going to have any chance of taking back the senate? >> look, i feel good about governor bullock's possibilities of winning. i think he's in relatively good shape right now. i think he's spending most of his time talking about what he's accomplished for the people of montana. and i think that that speaks well for him. and i think when you compare records, bullock should win this thing. but it's a tough state for democrats, and governor bullock has done a great job both as attorney general and as governor. he's getting around the state now, he's talking about that and has been for some time. but it's going to be a hot race. we knew it was going to be a hot race when the governor got in.

but i will tell you, i think so far, so good. those four weeks. but if people keep their shoulder to the wheel and keep working and keep working hard and not only the governor but the people around him, i feel good about our chances come november 3 to pick that senate seat up. >> and one final quick question. are the democrats going to hold, even in red states like yours, when it comes to voting on amy coney barrett? >> look, i think the challenge here is to find out what her judicial philosophy is. it's obvious that senator mcconnell will try to force and ram this through. and being able to get the information we need to make good decisions will be very, very difficult. look, it should be put off until after the election. it should be put off until the next president, the next congress is sworn in. i don't think there's any doubt about that.

that's what should be done. but unfortunately mitch mcconnell has a different agenda and he wants to ram this nominee through regardless of any of the circumstances about how it might impact health care, the affordable care act, preexisting conditions, voters' rights, any of those things. i told it's a real unfortunate situation. mcconnell set the rules up after justice scalia died and now he's changed it again. there cannot be different rules for democratic presidents versus republican presidents. i think the american people understand that. and hopefully, hopefully, unless he's able to put this off until after the next congress and the president is sworn in, there will be a price to be paid for this. >> as we know, you democrats have to stick together. you still need two more republican votes in order to stop it from going through. so it's going to be touch and go with so many of them getting sick as well. you stay well, thank you very much, senator tester, congratulations on the new book. >> thank you, andrea.

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the president getting covid is putting more pressure on republican senators in tough reelection contests who can no longer claim that the virus is just going to go away. arizona republican senator martha mcsally who was appointed to fill john mccain's seat is down 11 points now to challenger mark kelly in the latest "new york times"/sienna college reporting. she dodged a question from the moderator last night. >> the question was are you proud of your support for president trump? >> i'm proud to be fighting for arizona every single day. >> is that a yes or a no for president trump? >> putting legislation on

president trump's desk. you look at the legislation we put on his desk, it's to cut arizona taxes. >> it sounds like she's proud of her support for president trump. >> the question is why was he wanting to support bernie sanders. >> this as the highly regarded cook political report today put lindsey graham's south carolina race against democratic challenger jaime harrison into the toss-up column, a blinking red warning sign for the senator who is about to lead the judiciary committee's hearings for amy coney barrett's supreme court nomination. phil rucker, looking at this race, so far mark kelly has been ahead in arizona, way ahead of martha mcsally. arizona is traditionally red. what are you seeing there and in south carolina? >> what's interesting about the

arizona race is mcsally has trailed mark kelly, her democratic senator opponent, by a wider margin than trump has trailed biden in the presidential ballot in that state. we've seen that pattern in some other senate races as well. and so what that tells you, what political strategists in both parties are observing in this final month of the campaign, trump underperforming his own race will have an even greater drag on the senate candidates because they're underwater. what they really need is the president to either win those states or at least put in a respectable performance, only lose by a couple of points and maximize his own turnout so that those voters can in turn vote for those republican senate candidates. but at this hour that doesn't seem to be happening, according to virtually all of the public polling. >> and donna edwards, the surprise of the year so far has been jaime harrison's strong run. a lot of us knew him as the

democratic chairman, as a jim clyburn staff guy. he's made a hard run at lindsey graham. >> he really has, and it's caught senator graham off guard. lindsey graham was not taking jaime harrison seriously. but jaime has outraised lindsey graham, he's raised money and continues to do that. he has a really strong field operation. and i think it's going to bode well for him. you've seen this race move from republican, lean republican, and now a toss-up race. my money would be on jaime harrison at this point. >> and also we should talk about election security. lonnie chen, there was a really unusual video from the fbi director and three agency heads including general nakasone, the head of the nsa, they put this out on twitter about election security. and it puts them really against

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