crowd there. >> thank you very much. keep that especially thuz yacnt. we got to vote them into oblivion. got to get rid of them. so bad for our country. i'm feeling great. i don't know about you. how is every one feeling? i'm honored to welcome. we wall this peaceful protest. to the white house in support of the incredible men and women of law enforcement and all of the people that work so well with us and i have to tell you, our black community, our hispanic community, thank you very much. thank you. before going any further i want to thank all of you for your prayers. i know you have been praying. i was in that hospital, i was watching down over. so many people. i went out to say hello to those people. i took a little heat for it. i'd do it again.

on behalf of mideast and the first lady, this has been really an incredible out pouring and we're starting very big with a our rallies and everything. we cannot allow our country to become a socialist nation. we cannot let that happen. that's what would happen or worse. or worse. i want you to know our nation's going to defeat this terrible china virus, as we call it. we're producing powerful therapies and drugs and we're hearing the sick and we're going to recover and the vaccine is coming out very, very quickly in record time. it's coming out very soon. we have great, great kpacompani doing it. they will be distributing it.

through the power of american people. we'll get rid of it. i just want to thank every one this afternoon. what beautiful colors. where did you get that color? where did that come from? i want to get one of them. i want to thank though. seriously. every day more black and latino americans are leaving behind left wing politicians and their failed ideology. they failed for many years and many decades. democrats have run nearly every inner city in america and i mean

for 100 years and their policies have delivered nothing but calamity, poverty and trouble. sleepy joe biden has betrayed black and latino americans. if you think he can run this country, you're wrong. shipping jobs to china. we have been bringing jobs back. we've been charging china a lot of money with the tariffs. billions and billions of dollars. opening your borders to mass illegal immigration. the wall is now 380 miles long. it will soon be finished. trapping us in endless foreign wars, these ridiculous foreign wars that last for 19 years. our people are coming back home and selling you out to the rich globalist wall street donors. they have the wall street donors. they want the wall street donors. somebody will have to write a little story about that.

black and latino americans are rejecting the radical socialist left and embraceing our jobs. we want law and order and pro-american agenda. i want to thank the foundation for organizing this event. thank you very much. thank you. especially your two founders, two friends of mine. great people. candace owens and former tucson police officer, brandon tatum. great job. what a great job. two really brilliant, smart young people. great. thank you very much for being here. we really appreciate it. you just marched to the white house because you understand to protect the lives of black americans and all americans you have to have your police support you. you have to have that.

if the left gains power, they will launch a nationwide crusade against law enforcement. they are doing that at a level nobody has seen before. the other day biden couldn't use the word law enforcement. i said say law enforcement. he was bailed out by the anchor. i said very simply, i said name one law enforcement group that's supporting you. he couldn't do it. he was bailed out by the anchor. second time. he got bailed out by that anchor a lot. taking their funds away, firearms, fundamental authorities. taking everything away, including your freedom. joe biden even said when you call 911, a therapist should answer. >> all right. we're going to continue listening to this in the control booth. i don't believe the president is speaking 100% correct. he most of the time does not. we'll fact check a few things there. we should note he was scheduled to come out at 2:00. he came out early.

i don't know whether that means he couldn't wait to get out on the campaign trail and have the cheering, adoring fans rooting for him there or he wanted to get out there for getting this event over with for fear of getting tired. the president has recently being diagnosed with covid-19 and as i bring in nbc josh letterman to join me from the white house. the big question is, this president could be doing this event, getting it done, getting it out of the way because of fatigue. there's no word yet on the president's test results. why is that? >> reporter: if president laid it out as if we were beginning to be getting test results. he told another television interviewer he had been tested and was awaiting the results. when we asked this morning whether he's been tested negative, the response from the white house is that they will let us know when the president is given the all clear to return to public events and to travel.

then just a couple of hours later we see him holding what can be described as a public event with hundreds of people gathered on the south lawn of the white house. he is at distance from a lot of them. it is out doors. we see a lot of people in that crowd wearing masks but it's clear indication of how eager the white house is to get the president back out into campaign mode. he just laid out what despite the fact this is a white house event had all the trappings of a campaign rally. he was going through his list of accomplishments veering into topics that didn't have anything to do with the stated topic which is law and order. talking about the coronavirus vaccine development, about the border wall and bringing down troops from foreign wars. just as he was doing this, the white house and the president's re-election campaign announcing two more rallies he plans to hold this week. meaning three rallies that now on the schedule for this week in battleground states.

all despite the fact that as far as we know even with the president right now in front of the public, he has not tested negative for coronavirus or been cleared by doctors as no longer being infecti ourksous with the disease. >> do you have the specifics of where the president is going? samford, florida. >> reporter: on tuesday, according to his re-election campaign he will be heading to johnstown, pennsylvania. the third day on wednesday the president heading to des moines, a iowa. they are all states that president trump won in 2016. >> it would appear you're there across the street at the hay adams hotel.

the y can you hear the noise from that position? i'm curious how loud they are. >> reporter: i'm on the opposite side of lafayette park from the white house. we can hear anti-trust protesters who have gathered right outside the church where we saw the president have the photo op. you can hear some people trying to protest the event today but earlier we could hear those loud speakers set up on the south lawn. we did go over and take a look at some of the folks as they were waiting to enter the white house. they were playing music. there was a very festive rally type environment as they were waiting to enter the south lawn. >> that's why i asked. i figured there was something we were hearing but that would have had to travel quite a long ways if it was the crowd that we were hearing there. okay. thanks for clarifying all the action that's going on there around the white house. i have a panel here to talk about what to expect from today's event. also what we did see.

msnbc political contributor abby livington. it's a great panel. doctor, i have to go to you first. did you see that in there? >> if not most of the people were weari ining masks which i happy to see. lots of cheering. we know that can enhance the risk of transmission. i do think it's important to point out that we don't want to apply a double standard here. we think it's okay to peacefully protest as long as you're doing

your best to try to enforce those mitigation measures that we know about. >> of course. the fact we see folks there, i know the trump campaign said they would be handing out masks but not requiring people to wear them. would it be better overall if the trump campaign were the say, guess what. we learned a lot the last couple of weeks about covid-19 as it affected this president. we know what we said before now but now we have been humbled by all this. not that we would expect them to say that but wear your masks. we're going to give them to you. we ask you the wear them. you must wear them. >> absolutely. i have categorized or characterized this as a real missed opportunity. the white house basically flouted the most basic precautions from public health experts. it triggered a super spreading event. if anything this would be the moment in time to say everybody looked what happened here. it can happen the you. wear your masks.

socially keep yourself distant. wash your hands and we'll get through this together. it truly is ironic that exactly two weeks to the day that we think the super spreading event happened, another event is happening at the white house lawn. >> i'm also joined by nbc news medical correspondent dr. john torres. what concerns you when you look at this group? you have the cheers and people really expressing themselves. lots of loud cheers and clapping and yelling but they are pretty tightly packed in. >> if you look at it, wa you're seeing is towards the back there's some social distancing going on. toward the front, not as much. when they had the protest early on a few months ago it wasn't the super spreader event we thought it was but we know about a month and a half ago x september 26th when they had that event at the white house, that turned into a super spreader event. big difference there. they were inside. sometimes they were outside. they weren't wearing masks and

hugging each other. you can see some differences here. the big concern is, again, these people are close together. they are scream and shouting. we know things can spread this way. if you look at it, wear a mask, watch your distance. they with wearing masks, for the moe part. he didn't mention the fact it's not just science and medicine. it's human behavior and that is doing the social distancing, wearing masks. those types of things. science and medicine will not do it by themselves. it will be nice to hear the message as well. >> speaking of human behavior, why does the president continue to behave the way he does and open himself up to the kind of criticism that i expect i will hear from you and that we all just make when we see what he's doing and not practicing social

distancing or encouraging others to practice social distancing. let's make a point. we don't want to damn the entire event. there are people that looks to be separated as we get a clear view from our cam pa position. to doctor john's point, people are packed in towards the front. why wouldn't the president say, i learned. i had this experience. i've done well with it, apparently. we don't even know because we don't have a test result from him to say that he is covid free. why wouldn't he take this and run with it in a different direction? >> i think and i don't know what's in the president head but i think it's because he has a hard time going back and changing what he said before. he, from beginning of this has expressed reluctance around masks. he did start wearing one sometimes when he was in public. he wants to seem like things are

getting better, number one. he wants to try to distract people from covid-19 even though he has had it or currently has it. we are unclear about whether he's gotten a negative test or not. it's about projecting strength. it's about projecting the fact that he may have beat the virus, whatever that means. i think his behavior right now seems pretty typical for him. i also, you know, putting aside fact that he is having a campaign i vent at the white house which i guess we're going to be okay with since they have to republican national convention in part at the white house. he also is -- he has to figure out way to get back on the campaign trial and this is how he will do it. this isn't going to change anyone's mind. maybe one or two people here or there. the polls and numbers are pretty

solid right now. it doesn't seem like there are that many undecided when you look at the polls. i think what this is about other than making sure he reminds his voters who will not change their minds either, to go out and vote. the campaign talked about there's people not being polled. there's the hidden silent majority for him. if you look at polls joe biden is on track to win. he has to -- i think he has to do whatever he has to do to try to have a chance in november. this is what we're seeing. >> i'm curious. a lot of us are not okay with the president using the white house as a backdrop for a political campaign. that's for sure. those of us who watched politics over the years, it's like you don't do this in a political campaign. he does it. what about this cavalier approach to covid-19? what is the president's end game when it comes to covid?

let me ask you this ann. president's end game with this as we're watching everybody live which means he talked about 17, 18 minutes there to this crowd that's gathered. what's the end game when it comes to covid-19? >> the end game is to continue the white house argument that the president was making before he himself got sick which is it's all cool. the pandemic will go away. we have beaten it. we have already beaten it. people should resume their ordinary lives. his own illness is obviously an interruption to that message but what you see the president doing today is attempting to go right back on that same path, we have it. therapeutics will hear ycure yo

way they cured me. he received a medical set of therapies not available to any other human on the planet. he's not a great test case for the rest of the country. leave that aside for a moment, this is the longest we have seen him speak in person. he was on the sell vision interview last night but that was on television. this is the first time people have seenrelatively up close. that's what the white house wanted. hustle him right back out on the regular campaign trail. >> when is the last time this president spoke only 17, 18 minutes in public like this? >> i can't remember another time. he gives really short speeches but they are things indoors.

this is his moment. this is the kind of crowd that he really likes. this was a quite brief address. >> certainly compared to what he usually does. he was on rush limbaugh radio show for two hours. radio, he could be sitting in any environment wearing whatever he wanted to. jason, what goes through your mind as you look at this vent a -- event and listen to what the president said? let me say look at this, i'm somewhat encouraged that i saw more masks being worn than i anticipated but certainly not blanketing the entire crowd. >> you're listening to somebody who probably still has covid. it doesn't really matter. it's like i'm going to wear a life preserver but i'm still going to jump off in middle of the ocean. you're still putting yourself in

danger. you had mitch mcconnell saying he doesn't want to go to the white house because he doesn't think they are doing proper procedures the take care of covid. i'm watching a president who doubled down on the fact he cannot win a democratic election. all we can do is lie. he runs around with these ridiculous stories about how black people are leaving the democratic party. that's not true. the math doesn't show that polling. he's lying about his particular status as far as covid. i think most porptsly, he's lying about his own fitness to go back on the campaign trial. you mentioned it. i've never seen donald trump do a rally for less than 90 minutes. if he was a 12 round boxer, this is a round and a half he just left. the man is still sick. if he wasn't sick, he would prove it to us. he could come out and do cart wheels before he got on stage. what i'm seeing is the last desperate attempts of someone who recognitions his campaign is failing and his only means of success are to raise a white

nationalist arm that will intimidate people at polls and use lawyers and supreme court to steal the election. electorally, this rally was a failure. >> abby, picking up the point, how does this kind of behavior play out within the state of texas there? it's a very purple state now. we the president won it. yes the most recent polls show that he is still ahead there but that margin is tightening up. it's quite remarkable. give me a sense of how you think this kind of behavior plays out in texas particularly to jason's point when things can be fact checked and you can tell the president is not telling the truth? >> my first reaction to this was thinking back about texas. what you have going on in the state is ahistorical scale of fund raising on the part of democrat candidates running for state legislature and u.s. congress. some of those democrat candidates hitting their opponents on this issue.

why aren't you wearing a mask? that kind of thing. when the president goes on television, he's reiterating that. you can't tell me those democratic candidates aren't coming out with those charges or put them in focus groups. they wouldn't be doing it unless they thought it was working. >> tell me what's happening then there in texas with all of the organization, the money being raised by democrats. what are the odds and i'm not going to hold you to it. what are the odds of things still moving in the biden direction? is it realistic or merely hopeful for those who would like to see joe biden win the state of texas? >> joe biden has consistently polled very closely with the president. it's usually within the margin of error. what's going on here is that i just want to step back and say i don't know. the fact that i say dwron i donw is imperative. we don't assume it will go

republican. there's so much organizing all over the state, i'm skeptical the pollsters don't know who will come out and vote. i just don't know if we have any idea coming out to vote. we haven't seen this kind of organizing in past cycles. >> i would love to keep all of you around a lot longer. we anticipated the president speaking longer but you're free to go, my friends. sooner than you may have anticipated. thank you for joining me here. thank you so much. we have this breaking news. this is from the biden campaign. ali vitali is in pennsylvania. what do you have for us? >> reporter: the former vice president leaving his home to come here to erie, pennsylvania. as he departed we got a bit of

news through the traveling pool that moves along with the former vice president. he's tested negative for coronavirus. this is his fourth negative test since he met donald trump on the debate stage a few weeks ago in cleveland. alex, you'll remember after donald trump tested positive for coronavirus, the biden campaign said they were fwoipg going to releasing the results. he undergoes those tests regularly. we don't have sense of what regularly means in terms of the set number of tests per week that he goes through. this is one of the necessary realities when you are campaigning for president during a pandemic especially when the man that you're campaigning against, in this case, donald trump test positive for that virus. on a health perspective from a transparency perspective, the biden campaign doing that. with every negative test that joe biden take, it's an opportunity for his campaign to remind people they have tried to take steps all along the way of this campaign over the last few

months, taking steps to keep him covid negative by abiding by the social distancing rules and keeping him in mask when he's around people. keeping events to smaller size. that event that we just saw at the white house even with the more -- even with more people abiding by social distancing and mask wearing, you would not see joe biden at an event with hundreds of people and the event here in erie, pennsylvania likely to be no exception. this campaign says they are listening to the health professionals and following the guidance and joe biden is doing that on the campaign trial. >> has the biden campaign given an indication of how long they will long to continue to test the vice president or is that just on a daily, as needed basis? >> reporter: they haven't given any end date to this testing but why would they when we're in midst of a pandemic. joe biden and kamala harris are being tested regularly. i think, again, it's both the

health transparency piece of this and the fact that as they remind they are testing, they are also able to continue reminding voters, hey, we are sill in pandemic and incumbent to take these safety precautions. it's also a health reality you want to keep your testing. >> thank you so much. fears of coronavirus spreading rapidly inside the white house. a former staffer explains how it could be putting current employees in danger. (vo) businesses are always making choices. here's a choice you don't have to make: the largest 5g network... award-winning customer satisfaction... or insanely great value. now, with t-mobile for business, there's no compromise. network. support. value. choose. all. three. t-mobile for business. ready when you are.

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think these people are part of my base. i done want to totally denounce them because maybe they vote for me. here is what he doesn't understand. they are anti-government. these folks, if there's one theme across their ideology, they are anti-government. >> heidi is joining me now. welcome. the question is, with michigan's governor also faulting the president on this, did the president play a role here in? >> her comments were pretty direct drawing a connection with the president and is civil unrest going on in michigan. there's a pretty clear timeline. in the run up to all of this, the president was out spoken about criticizing her but it's more specific than that. april 16th, you have 3,000 proterss converging on the state capitol. some of them arm. some of them chanting lock her

up. it was one day later when that infamous liberate michigan tweet came from the president. april 30th, you have armed protesters storming the capital and pictures of state senators taking pictures of armed intruders with semiautomatic guns standing over them and senators saying they are so concerned they are wearing bullet proof vests in the state house. again, it was a day later that trump sends out a tweet calling these people quote very good people and saying that the governor should make a deal with them. this is something that as the secretary of state who was a -- the attorney general was a little more outspoken about it said look, things have escalated exponentially. even though a lot of the groups have been living in the shadows for years, for deck the kaades, escalated.

>> i think you put the rationale for why the governor suggested tieing the president to the behavior that we have seen here from these groups. you mentioned the attorney general of michigan who said in addition to what you suggested there or reported there that she believe this is is the tip of the iceberg. what else are they keeping an eye on? >> i had spoken with her several weeks ago and she had expressed to me concern at the time about threats to officials in the state overall, period. now today after these arrests have been made, they are saying there's additional threats out there. additional vi additional individuals who may be arrested in the particular plot. this is something that is very much ongoing. this is not going to put a stop to it and one of the most troubling parts, alex, is the fact that the a.g. talked about law enforcement who had been sympathetic to some of these protesters including video that's now surfaced of a sheriff

speaking at one of these aen anti-lock down protests earlier this year. take a look. in it's charge. they say a plot to kidnap. you have to remember attorney kidnapped. a lot of people are angry with the governor and they want her arrested. are they trying to arrest her or a kidnap attempt. you can still in michigan, if it's felony, you can make a felony arrest. it doesn't say you're in elected office, you're exempt from that arrest. i have to look at it from that angle. i'm hoping that's more of what it is. in fact, these guys are innocent until proven guilty. i'm in the sure if they had any part of it. >> you can see where the concern there is that even though these individuals were arrested, if they have sympathizers who are still out there including some in the law enforcement community specifically the a.g. told me they are concerned about the november election and some of these groups. the president has talked about having poll watchers.

how many of these individuals will believe they can show up and harass or intimidate, bring their weapons within certain radius of polling locations and of course the president's rhetoric when at the last debate he told the proud boys to stand back and stand by. these things are really more than quote dog whistle, they are a command to action. the a.g. was warning they better be careful and not even think about messing with voting in michigan. >> it's all pretty scary. thanks for bringing it to us. appreciate it. all you have be sure to watch velshi across america tomorrow morning. the president's return to the white house now marked by this footage of him peopling off his mask right before walking into a room frequented by white

house staff. he was not yet cleared of the virus and as far as we know, still is not. joining me now, former white house executive pastry chief under the george b. bush and obama administration. i've got to wonder what went through your mind when you saw the aimages of the president wanting to project his strength over the safety of others. >> it's not strength. in order the talk about this, i really did have to go through some soul searching because as employees there, we have committed to discretion and the privacy of the first family. i totally still agree with that. i respect that. we have moved so far beyond the pail of what is normal. we have gotten so far down the rabbit hole i feel silence is

complicit. what he has done is criminal negligence. i'm old enough to live in new york in the '80s. i saw the aids epidemic. there were laws passed that if you deliberately exposed someone to a lethal virus, you were held criminally responsible. how is this different? this is a really malicious disregard for other people. >> i appreciate the sentiments and i appreciate the careful thought you put into coming on this broadcast and talking about it. let me ask you about this event today. we were showing it at the top of the hour. i know a couple thousands people were invited. doesn't look like anywhere near that showed up. what options do staffers have if they are worried about being exposed to covid? what would you have done? >> well, someone encouraged to

see masks and ppe, everything was dribtsed edistributed to s. the staffers are only half the people there. the administration officials are discouraged from masks and social distancing. the image of someone in hazmat suit going through the white house disinfecting rooms, i think is something that all americans have to really think twice about. that's -- when we don't know if the person is infected, we wear masks and social distance. in in case we know that we have a patient in the white house. i mean, he should be in quarantine. any other american anywhere would be. >> that makes sense. what would you be doing right now if you were working in the white house and you knew that you were having relatively close contact with someone who is very likely currently affected with

covid? what would you do? >> well, you have to do the best you can with the covering, with the social distancing, hapnd washing. you have to firmly bear down on those precautions that every doctor in america has recommended to us. at that point, we have to hope for the best because as i said, these are people that don't really have much choice. they have families, children, mortgages, tuition. it would be very difficult to just drop your job. on top of that, they are sdroded to their job. they honor their job. the honor the presidency and this man. we can all feel that he, it takes courage to take on that job. to go beyond that and make a complete failure of a lethal

disease is not right. >> bill, can you give me ballpark numbers how many come into close contact with the president and/or the first family on a daily basis. you got to have housekeepers and those that are serving thing, butlers, serving the food, the wonderful food that i'm sure you made for a couple of presidents as well. how many people come into contact with the first family and the president on a daily basis? how close do they get? >> in close contact about a third. that's about 30 people. anyone on that staff, there's carpenters, electrician, engineers. it's an old house. things are always breaking down. those people need to go and repair things. hopefully, and i've read the staffing has been se streverely limited so hopefully those

numbers are what were occurring during a normal time and now there's less. less doesn't mean zero. to make that house work there has to be people who are there and are present and are serving. no matter what your precautions are, it's not a medical facility. he belongs in medical facility where he can really be isolated. >> are you hearing about the mood or whether protocol has changed since the influx of cases in the residence? >> lets me answer that by saying that i don't want to expose anyone to criticism of the people who are working there. i admire them. they are great. let me say this, if i worked for a boss who was diagnosed positive for covid and he came into work and took off his mask, just ask yourself how would you feel. how would you look at your

workplace when your boss just completely -- it's not only the close contact. we know that these virus can linger in the air for at least hours. it's not even close contact that's really a concern. it's the longer term. you're in confined quarters. some of these rooms are relatively small. it was built in 1799. the ceilings are low. the hallways are narrow and everybody is moving around. including not only the president but people from the east and west wing who have to transverse the residence every time they go from one side to the other. you have a constant parade of people discouraged from wearing ppe going through the space that you're working. >> bill, thank you so much for your candor and having to wrestle with whether or not to come forward and the challenge of reveal things that you are supposed to keep all to yourself

for any number of reasons. i do appreciate your candor and speaking the truth. >> thank you. supreme questions. what ever one wants to know about joe biden's court strategy and why he's holding back until after the election. back until after the eceltion before we talk about tax-smart investing, what's new? -audrey's expecting... -twins! ♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan. i'll be eating chicken tikka masala with garlic naan. [doorbell chimes] cheers. i win again, patrick. that's siiir patrick. oooooow. sir.

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former 2020 democratic presidential candidate. good to see you. thanks for joining me. >> it's great to see you again. >> what are your thoughts on how joe biden has been handling the issue of the supreme court? do you think he's trying to appease progressives an moder e moderat moderates. playing careful police dan fufu. >> if there's one thing i learned running for president, alex, it's don't answer a conditional question. don't answer a question. i'll give you a perfect example pch mitch mcconnell said he would never confirm a supreme court justice within a year of a presidential election. all of the facts changed and he's trying to confirm a supreme court justice within a week of a presidential election. the facts did change because actually, he can see in the early votes that there is a massive turn out across america

and in particularly there's a massive turn out of young people across america. when the facts change, he panicked and he's trying to jam something through. there's an excitement in this country right now around the biden candidacy, around a change of administrations and he's trying to get in ahead of it. >> we should also add that lipds say graham echoed those same sentiments back then but not now. the packing the supreme court prospe prospect, are you in favor of that? do you get a sense at all, anything you know of whether he is in favor of that? >> alex, i really do ploobeliev it's a mistake to answer questions when we know all the conditions are going to change. right now you can see huge youth turn out across the country in swing states. the facts about who will be the

administration and we have to win this election first before any of those decisions are made. we have to see what happens across the board before you can figure out the answers. what we know right now, what we do know is that there is the biggest difference between candidates that i've ever seen in my lifetime. i think that americans can see that too. there's nothing off the table but we need to let this election play out and see whether the excitement on the ground and the turn out on the ground continues through november 3rd and we get the kind of sweeping transformational election of vice president biden and a flip of the senate so we understand where we are. until then, we're answering questions that we don't have the information to answer. >> let me tell you in terms of the difference between candidates and what you have never seen before, i second that. >> oh my gosh. >> let's get to climate change.

i know it's one of your favorite topi topics. here is a question that was asked of kamala harris at the vice presidential debate about the green new deal. take a listen. >> the vice president mentioned you co-spons spored green new deal but vice president biden says he does not support the green new deal. what would be the stance? >> i will repeat and the american people know that joe biden will not ban fraking. that's a fact. joe biden's economic plan moody's, which is a rep table wall street firm will create seven million hr jobs than donald trump's. part of those jobs created by joe biden will be about clean energy and renewable energy. >> okay. she did answer in some detail but she sidestepped to some degree a direct answer to that question.

when it comes to the green new deal, does joe biden stand for one thing potentially and kamala harris stand for another or do you sense they are on the same page? >> i'm sure they are on the same page. the biden campaign and joe biden personally have a very strong climate plan. it directly addresses our climate crisis, and in doing so, it creates $4 trillion of federal spending -- excuse me -- $2 trillion over four years that will create the millions of good paying union jobs that senator harris was referring to. it also specifically addresses environmental justice. cleaning up the air pollution, water pollution toxins in underserved black and brown communities. let me say something else. this plan is aggressive. it is necessary. one of the sponsors of the green new deal, congresswoman

ocasio-cortez was part of the group that came up with this plan. she supports it. she supports the biden candidacy, and we can see right now, alex, in the marketplace the biggest american financial institutions coming around to support exactly the kinds of ideas that the biden build back better plan is in favor of. we saw jpmorgan this week say that they were going to run their lending book according to the paris accord, and we saw a huge international bank, hong kong and shanghai bank, saying they were going to lend a trillion dollars to their customers to support the move to a net zero economy. so what we can see really in joe biden's -- in my mind -- very aggressive and absolutely necessary plan, that he understands and believes in, is something that's going to catalyze growth and in particular job growth at a time

when we have very high unemployment. i think there's a plan here that is very well crafted that joe biden deeply understands and believes in and that is going to happen very early in this administration and really not just address climate, but also address systemic racism and the unemployment and need to create good paying union jobs. >> tom steyer, good to see you, thank you. >> a treat to see you, too. in the next hour, another hurricane slamming louisiana. severe weather that could still be on the way.

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. good afternoon everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we have got a very busy two hours ahead for you. the president just wrapping up his very first public event since testing positive for covid despite the fact the white house continues to refuse to say whether he still has the virus. then just 24 days before the election, several new stories out today raising new questions about the president's finances

and where he gets his money. delta hits louisiana as a hurricane. we're on the ground with the latest on the damage after the second big storm to hit the same area in a matter of weeks. that is coming up with nbc's cal perry. i want to start at the white house with nbc's josh lederman at that event. it was a short event, not something we usually say about the president. take us through it, what we heard from the president. >> reporter: there's been this question ever since the president was drying knowsed with coronavirus, yasmin, about whether this would be a game-changer, the seriousness with which the president took coronavirus, and the president modeling the behavior the health officials tell us we need to follow. the answer is yes and no. on the one hand we saw a few more masks in the audience than we typically see at trump and white house events over the last few months, but still not a lot of social distci