good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, october surprise, we have just under four weeks till president trump is either legally ousted from office or amid the chaos sewn, something else happens, because at this point it feels like anything can happen. we've had nearly 8 million americans contract the covid-19 virus over the last seven months, yet in the space of two weeks the president, much of his staff, and several gop senators have contracted the virus suddenly, throwing the people's business into disarray at the most pivotal time. we learned friday that the second presidential debate slated for next week would

indeed be canceled after our convalescent president -- he had this to say moments ago at the white house. >> through power of the american -- the american spirit more than anything else, science, medicine will eradicate the china virus once and for all. it's going to disappear. it is disappearing. >> meanwhile, joe biden is on the trail in pennsylvania. his lead continuing to grow in key battleground states. the term taking on a disturbing new meaning in michigan this week. federal investigators charged six men and arrested seven others for a plot sprung straight from our worst political fears. i'll 10:00 to my good friend and colleague joe scarborough shortly about the rising

political temperature going into november. but first, while some cast bets on the next trump enabler to test positive, the derivation remains a distraction in congress. it has changed the dynamic on capitol hill again. as i said before, anything can happen, even with four weeks to go. joining me now is congressman emanuel cleaver, democrat of missouri. congressman, thank you for joining us this evening. let me ask you first your reaction to in the middle of a pandemic and lives lost and businesses being closed, millions infected, how do you

respond to the president having a political rally at the white house and clearly trying to project that all is well with him and he's going forward and that some magic in the american spirit is going to produce a vaccine very shortly and it's imminent and everything will be all right? >> first of all, it's an act of disrespect, national disrespect for a president to become the infector in chief. what he's doing, i think, is a sign of somebody who might have had some effects from the covid-19 that maybe we haven't discovered before. and i think, you know, maybe disrespect is one of them. i think one of them is a sense

of being an imperialist. this is sad that we're going to see this. you know, with the right leadership, this pandemic could have been an opportunity on skateboards, but it's an opportunity that has been used by the president to try to enhance himself. he's talking about how well he is. we have 214,000 americans that have died and the strengthentre upward right now. >> the group that sponsored this we're told is a black group. i don't know if you're familiar with them, i'm not. he kept referring to black and latinos should vote for him. you know i've said for some time that i consider the president a bigot in chief, and that i've wrestled with him over the years in new york and other issues like central park five and others. at times he tried to act like he

was a democrat. but, i mean, isn't it almost insulting to our intellect for him to act as though he has done something for the black community? you've shared the congressionchl black caucus. what case can he make that makes sense? he says he signed the criminal reform bill. we still don't know how many actually that led to releasing. what can he say that he's done to earn the black vote and a black group used a white house to have a political rally? i can't imagine as much as the civil rights groups including mine has access to president obama if we had held an obama rally on the grounds of the white house, they would have probably impeached him and god knows what they would have tried to do to us. >> first of all, reverend, they would have indicted you and mark

morrel. >> yeah. >> that's a given. they would have come up with some kind of law. it is insane using the people's property to hold a rally. i've never heard of this group that the president is bragging about, and i guess the sad thing as an african-american is that he's going to use them to try to suggest to people who are naive on issues of race that, you see, i'm not what they've been saying. i just invited a bunch of black people to the white house. and i think most of us are beyond getting excited about visiting a piece of property. >> and i'm clear, they have the right to do whatever they want. i don't know the group or the people there. they have the right to do what they want. but before we run out of time, i want to talk to you about a concern we both have, and that is the absence of minorities and women in companies who handle the endowment of major colleges

and universities. i know you've recently pushed several of the nation's top universities to be more transparent about who manages their assets. we've written from national action network about it. i'm so happy you have picked up on it. can you tell us what you learned and why is this so important to people that are watching us? >> we're going to send the national action network a copy of the report that we put together, reverend. it is extremely important, and i hope people understand this, there are $69 trillion in asset management right now, $69 trillion with a "t." only 1.3 of it is managed by diverse firms, minority or women firms. and so that means that there's a whole world of dollars out there that are not even almost having an opportunity to find its way into the hands of minorities in this country who are americans

and women. and so what we are trying to do is make sure that these colleges and universities understand that we understand. first of all, many of them will brag about their faculty. we have, you know, a very diverse faculty, we have women, minorities. but the significance of this is that it's not saying, so we're trying to get people to understand that we want to see a report. we want transparency to let us know what you're doing. most of the universities have responded quite well to what we're trying to do. >> and these universities get public funds, all kinds of public props, yet they're not being transparent that the taxpayers have the access to asset management. i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you congressman.

vice president joe biden is speaking at an event in erie, pennsylvania. let's listen in. >> hello, hello, hello. thank you, thank you, thank you. it's good to be back in erie. i want to say hello to erie. mr. mayor, city council president, all elected leaders who have joined us here today, and to your next senator joy, we need to turn out in support for democrats down the line here in pennsylvania. win back that pennsylvania state senate. folks, look, i want to thank president mcmanis coming out. you've been a friend for a long time. and for everyone at the ua for hosting this incredible training facility. you know, i'm so grateful to have earned ua's endorsement. you have 355 proud plumbers, pipe fitters, and more behind me than i can possibly thank you

for. i also want to thank rick for sharing his story with us today. you know, and for being part of a conversation this year where he shared his story with america. and rick, delaware's thought of as being a great corporate entity and chemical facilities and all those things, but we have a $4 billion -- as you probably well know, agricultural industry. it's a big deal and a lot of farmers are being hurt really badly, really badly. farmers all across the country have been gutted by the president's broken promises and reckless trade war, but our farmers, just like our union members and anyone who actually does an honest day's work sees his promises for what they are. rick, i want to thank you, and i think you put it best in the op-ed you wrote last year. you said it's a bunch of hot air and cold wind. folks, this is it. election's here.

the choice couldn't be more stark. the stakes couldn't be higher. so many pennsylvanians are facing hard times right now. after my debate in cleveland last week, i took a train. i've ridden a lot of amtrak trains. from northeast ohio into pittsburgh and greensburg, johnstown, and i heard the same stories everywhere around the country. you're trying your best, but it never feels like enough. you're not looking for a handout, you're just looking for a fair shot. that's how my dad felt when we had to leave scranton when coal died. he was in sales. he wasn't in the coal mines, although my great-grandfather -- they tell me the first irish catholic state senator ever elected in the state of pennsylvania. he was a mining engineer. but i remember him saying, he made that walk which a lot of

you know in erie, i call it the longest walk a parent has to make up a short flight of stairs to tell his kids we can't play in little league anymore. you got to leave. dad doesn't have a job. i remember him taking us home, my mom and three children at the time, home to my grand pops and how much pride it must have cost him to ask my grandfather to take care. he said take care of the kids and i'll be back. he went to delaware where he had grow up. ran up in a steel town called clay mont, delaware. then we went to wilmington. my dad got a sales job and he worked hard. took about four years to build a decent middle class life to build a home. he said, joey, i don't expect the government to solve my problems, but at least expect them to understand my problems.

america deserves a president who understand what people are going through. you're facing real challenges right now and the last thing you need is a president who exacerbates them. more than 210,000 are dead as was pointed out. we lose anywhere from 700 to 1,000 people a day dead. the president was told a little while ago when he was told 100,000 people a day were dying, you know what he said? he says it is what it is. well, it is what it is because he is who he is. more than 7.5 million americans have been infected and counting. 175,000 cases right here in pennsylvania. my heart goes out to all those families who look at that empty chair at the dining room table where someone you love used to sit. my heart goes out to anyone struggling in this economic

crisis, simple neglect on the part of this administration. 11 million jobs lost since the beginning of this crisis, and still have not come back. temporary layoffs have turned into ferm layoff-- permanent la. more than 40,000 manufacturing jobs here in pennsylvania. the trump presidency will be the first presidency since hoover that is going to end up leaving office with fewer jobs than he came into office since hoover. president trump talks about this "v" recovery. we went down quick and we're coming up quick. that's a "k" recovery. those at the top are doing very well. recession at the top, those folks, everything is going up for them. but everybody in the middle and below is going down seeing things get worse.

it means essential workers who sacrificed to keep us going through this pandemic are being left behind by the most unequal recovery in american history. this is a fact, which is startling to me when i found out. the top 100 billionaires in the middle of this pandemic, they made 300 billion additional dollars. hear me now, 100 individuals made $300 billion this year. what did the bottom half get? they got the "k." they got the slide down because the fact is the president can only see the world from park avenue. i see it from scranton. i see it from clay mont for real. you know what i'm talking about. y'all see it from erie. that's why my program to build better is focused on working people. think about it. think about all the people you

know who got up this morning and had the following conversation. honey, i know we need four new tires, they're bald, but we can't do it now. you got to wait. but you know what? i know we just lost our insurance, but we're going to be okay. we're going to hang in there. or, you know, having to make a choice, literally a choice between getting a prescription or putting food on the table. if i said that ten years ago, you'd look at me like i was writing a fiction story. but that's the truth. those are decisions people are making today, right now. independent analysis put out by highly respected firm, modies, projecting projects that by build back better plan is going to create 18.6 million jobs in four years. that's not a liberal think tank. that's moody's. it's going to great 7 million more jobs than the president's

economic plan. and $1 trillion more in economic growth than the president's plan. here's how it works. i'm going to raise taxes, i'm not going to raise taxes on anybody making less than 400 grand. but you don't pay a penny more. but those making more than that, i'm going to ask them to finally begin to pay the fair share. i'm going to ask the big corporations and the wealthy to begin to pay. 91 of the fortune 500 companies today pay zero tax -- you hear me -- zero tax. how many of you pay zero tax? and billionaires are paying that tax rate because it's all investment money. they're paying a lower tax rate than you pay if you have a job as a plumber. how can that be? so i'm going to raise the money i'm going to raise, we're going to invest in working people and grow the middle class back and make sure everybody comes along

this time. my plan is making the investments that are going to stimulate economic growth to get it back to full employment and help us build back better than before. we're going to create millions of good-paying union jobs. i had the honor of being the guy in charge of the recovery act when the great recession occurred. the president turned to me. he used to love doing it at the state of the union messages. he turned and said, joe, sheriff joe is going to take care of that $800 billion. well, we got it done less than 0.1% waste or fraud, and we built back the longest expansion in american history. manufacturing and technology, making sure we're going to make the future made in america, and infrastructure, building airports, schools, affordable housing, upgrading the water and pipes, making sure it's sustainable and resilient, built by union plumbers and pipe fitters here in pennsylvania and

across the country, and clean energy. we're going to upgrade 4 million buildings with weatherization of 2 million homes. it's estimated that will create 1 million good-paying jobs, union jobs. union jobs will be filled by men and women like in this local here. look, folks, we're in a situation now where you take a look at this build back better. i'll take a second. i hope you don't take too many seconds before it rains here. number one, we were talking about it a little while ago. the president promised an infrastructure plan in 2016, '17, '18, '19, he didn't do that one single bit. he promised to relieve main street slammed by the recession. but guess where the money went that congress passed? it went into the mar-a-lago crowd. i'm not joking. it didn't go to small businesses. it didn't go to the people who

needed to it. my plan to revitalize more than manufacturing infrastructure says we're going to use $2 trillion in infrastructure and clean energy. we're going to raise over $3.7 trillion by eliminating that tax cut for the super wealthy. folks, we're going to fix water pipes, pipelines, replace lead pipes, we're going to construct 1.5 million new affordable housing units. we're going to build $100 billion rebuilding our schools. we're going to retrofit 4 million buildings, including advanced heating and cooling systems. there's going to be such a race to job creation for unions that you're not going to believe it. and i really mean this. and, by the way, when i did the recovery act, which is $800 billion, not one -- we had the largest infrastructure project short of eisenhower's

interstate highway program since that. not one single solitary dollar went to anything other than a prevailing wage. had to be a prevailing wage. look, i'm also going to make sure that corporate america being so kind wanted to take over registered apprenticeships. you spend a quarter million dollars in apprenticeships to make sure you have the best trained people in the world. i'm going to spend the pro act. that's a promise. and also strengthen labor standards, especially osha rules. there's a lot we can do, but it's not enough to praise workers. we got to make sure they get befitted. folks, my dad had another expression after he lost his job and he mutual fuoved to delawar. he said, a job is a lot more than a paycheck.

it's about your dignity, respect, about looking a kid in the eye saying honey, it's going to be okay. you know, the fact is that every time the word climate change comes up, donald trump thinks hoax. every time it comes up, i think jobs. let me be clear no matter how many lies he tells, i am not, not, not banning fracking, period. we'll also increase incomes. we're going to see the burden and the cost -- we're going to make sure not prevailing wage -- we can't mandate that. by the way, i said inside, the other expression my dad had was, there's only one way to do away with the abuse of power, which corporate america's exercising now, it's with power. and the only power we have is union power. you're the guys that keep the barbarians on the other side of the gate from taking everything. that's a fact. [ applause ]

so look, i'll try to move along quickly here. the fact is that we need to ease the burden on the major costs in your life. what's the average middle class person fear most? trying to tear down the affordable care act. we're going to build on it, adding a new health insurance option, a not for profit public option which gives private insurers competition. we'll increase subsidies for lowrie out-of-pocket expenses because we can do that with the money we take back from the super wealthy. we're going to take on the pharmaceutical companies with a plan that slashes the cost of prescription drugs by 60%. look, folks, we're going to work with states to make sure every 3, 4, and 5-year-old has access to high-quality free preschool, not day care. you send them to preschool, there's evidence 50% will go all

the way through no matter what poor neighborhood they come from. they have a better chance of graduating all the way through high school and beyond. we're going to make sure the low and middle income families will never have to spend more than 7% of their income caring for their young. talk to the women around here. i was a single dad for five years. i couldn't afford help. i thank god i had my mom and my sister and my brother to help me with my kids when my wife and daughter were killed. we'll make college tuition free for those making less than $125,000 a year. when the college opens in pennsylvania, we're going to make sure it's open for anyone who qualifies to get in. [ applause ] that's a fact. by the way, that costs a lot of -- that costs # billion dollars that's as much as we give to race horses. we have to have priorities. if you're buying your first home, look at all the people who

have gotten out of school since the 9/11 generation. they got out of high school without a graduation, college, no graduations, where they got -- they thought they had good jobs waiting for them, but they all got shut down in the great recession and now. what are they doing? they're unable to make that first home down payment. they're out there busting their neck. some of them have graduate degrees and no jobs or access. i'm going to make sure you get a tax credit for up to $15,000 for your first-time home buyer, period. that's going to say pry your down payment. we're going to increase benefits for millions of seniors so you can retire with dignity and respect. folks, look, if we're going to get anything done, we got to come together. we're going to have to vote like we've never voted before. early voting is open here in pennsylvania, so go vote if you can.

and go to i will vote.com/pa to find out when and where you can vote early. if you requested a mail-in ballot, return it as soon as possible. make sure you seal it first in the secrecy envelope and then sign the declaration on the outside of the envelope before you return it. as i said earlier this week on the gettysburg backfield, i'm running as a proud democrat, but i'm going to govern as an american president. i'm going to work as hard for those who don't support me as those who do. i'm so proud in this campaign to have earned the support of so many proud and patriotic republicans, including pennsylvania's former governor accessibility homeland security tom ridge. i want to thank him publicly for his endorsement. we may not agree on everything, we agree on this. that is moment to put country above party because after all this country's been through, after all that americans

accomplished, after all the years we stood as the beacon for the rest of the world, it cannot be that here in the year 2020 we'll allow the government of the people, by the people, and for the people to parish on this earth, as lincoln said. we can do better. we can do better than what we've seen. we can be what we are at our best, united states of america. all these being pushed by the president, all this stuff about encouraging -- in the debate we had, i asked him to condemn the proud boys, he said stand down but stand ready. what's going on here? this is not who we are. this is not who we are as a country, for real. we can argue like hell, but at the end of the day we come together. i am more optimistic about america's chances today than i've ever been. why? because the blinders have been

taken off. people have realized what's really at stake here. i think we can pull this together. i'm optimistic. i really generally am. but here's the deal, guys, we got to go out and make sure you vote because the only way we lose this is by the chicanery relative to polling places. this whole idea, not a reasonable person in either party said mail-in ballots are corrupt, no evidence, but he's trying to make it sound that way, try to put people in polling places, the same guys you saw standing, blocking people's way in virginia with banners and rifles across their shoulders. folks, it's not who we are. we're so much better than this. so i say to y'all, god bless you all. let's go out and vote and may god protect our troops. thank you, thank you, thank you. [ applause ] thank you. where am i going? going this way?

thanks, everybody. see you, pal. thanks a million. thank you. >> all right. that was the democratic candidate you've been listening to, former vice president joe biden speaking at a campaign event in pennsylvania. joining me now is joe scarborough, host of "morning joe" on msnbc. joe's got a new book, and he didn't know i was going to promote it, but he's been helping me with mine. it's called "saving freedom: truman and the cold war fight for western civilization" that comes out in november. when i heard others talk about truman and desegregating the armed forces. let's deal with this president. how do you feel about his performance, speech, and outing

today on the grounds of the white house, which was clearly a political rally? >> right. i mean, it was clearly a political rally. i've been hearing republicans complaining for years about what goes on inside of churches. not, of course, white churches, that would help people like me, but black churches that would help democrats. if barack obama had held a political rally having you or congressman cleaver or others, we would be hearing about that on monday, impeachment proceedings would start on tuesday, and the republican house would pass it on wednesday. i mean, it was -- and i know i'm going to get in trouble with congressman cleaver for saying this because, you know, we always called our good friend elijah cummings a counterfeit preacher. but i think of the verse we heard "the greater love hath no man that he lay down his life

for others." in this case you can say greater selfishness hath no man that he risks the lives of everybody for political purposes. of course he's been doing that all year by lying to us, telling bob woodward one thing in february, telling the american people something else because he's worried the dow jones is going to crash. the way he treated his doctors, the way he put his secret service personnel in danger, the way he put the military officers that worked for him, their lives in danger, the way that he in effect infected or at least called the entire joint chiefs to have to self-quarantine, the way that he's put his own white house staff at risk, it's extraordinary. and yes, he got an infection, a covid infection, but worse than that, he's infected his party

with the same selfishness. i got to say, rev, in an age where it's hard to be shocked, when i see the chairman of the judiciary committee refusing to take a covid test before going into a debate -- >> right. >> when i see chuck grassley refusing to take a covid test, even though both lindsey graham and chuck grassley were both around mike lee in a hearing after he was infected, you look at this party and you realize they are unworthy of the voters' trust. they are unworthy of the positions they hold. just like donald trump is unworthy of the presidency. i cannot believe that people in my former party, the republican party, can look at this and say this is the type of example we need in the white house or runni

running the united states senate. >> we're out of time because of biden's speech, but the michigan arrests, you and i have talked a lot about our concern about the polarization and the extremists on both sides. the arrests of a militia group practicing, doing drills to get ready to try to start a civil war and kidnap the governor, what does this say to you and how concerned should we be that this is not being handled in a way that would diffuse these groups from being empowered? >> we've seen it firsthand. i know you had threats. when donald trump has attacked me repeatedly on twitter and accused me of being a murderer and actually smirch the reputation of a woman who's been dead for years, we had threats. i know you've had threats. words have consequences. and this week, you know, we get so overwhelmed with noise, sometimes we just have to strip

it down and focus on the big items. first of all, you have a governor who was going to be kidnapped and then tried in wisconsin by right-wing fanatics. you have a president who encouraged them through twitter to, quote, liberate michigan. you have a president pushing his attorney general to arrest joe biden, his political opponent. you have a vice president the number debate who refused when asked, refused to guarantee a peaceful transfer of power. that is un-american >> yeah. >> wait. we don't dare call it treason, but, rev, our founders would have thought it was treason. there are a lot of americans over 240 years who would have thought that was treason. they need to focus on first principles and focus on our constitution. they need to understand that

donald trump, whether you're a conservative like me or a liberal, they need to understand that that man is unworthy of protecting and defending our constitution and being president of the united states. >> all right, joe score borrow, host of "morning joe." if joe's not on your television, the television isn't on. thank you, joe. >> thank you, rev. coming up, with polls showing lindsey graham's south carolina senate race now in a dead heat, his opponent jamie harrison joins me live. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body, are living in the moment and taking ibrance. ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor is for postmenopausal women or for men with hr+/her2- metastatic breast cancer,

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for this week's memo to trump, i want to offer my condolences because i'm sure you're disappointed, mr. president, because you once again were not awarded the nobel

peace prize. instead, they awarded it to an initiative that provided sustenance to over 100 million people across 88 countries. i know this must be baffling to you, mr. president, since you're the kind of man who won't even allow a routine government food program to go out to hungry school children without trying to slap your name on it. it's not that hard to hand out food without your style of self-aggrandizement. i do it every week with the national action network. if you ever want to do some actual charity, you're welcome to come and join me anytime. but even if you can't, i still want to help you out by explaining the criteria for the nobel peace prize so you can understand just how manifestly

unfit you are as a candidate. in his will, the late alfred nobel established a foundation to award the peace prize to, quote, the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations and the abolition or reduction of standing armies, and the formation and spreading of peace congresses. so let's start with the fraternity between nations. here's just a little taste of what you've had to say about the other countries just over the last few months. >> i'd like to discuss our latest actions against the iranian regime. >> syria, but we kept the oil. >> i sent tank busters to kor n ukraine. >> it was china's fault and china is going to pay. >> pillaging of natural

resources and general insults don't seem that peaceful to me, mr. president, but maybe you did better with the next part, the abolition or reduction of standing armies. >> we've spent over $2 trillion to completely rebuild the unmatched strength and power of the united states military. whether it's submarines or missiles or rockets or jet fighters, bombers. >> we have built an arsenal the likes of which no one has ever seen. >> strike two, mr. president. made you have sped peace generally. no such luck. looks like all you spread this year is drone strikes, misinformation, and coronavirus. so let's get real, mr. president. you are uninterested in actual peace, so why would you want the nobel peace prize? maybe you need $1 million cash

payment that comes with it, which you could put towards your outrageous debts. no, the real reason is the obvious. it's the burning, seething jealousy you have toward your predecessor for so long. you'll feel better when you just accept this, mr. president. barack obama has a nobel prize, and you never will. the 44th president is smarter, more accomplished, and more universally beloved than you will ever be, not just in sweden where the committee meets, but in countries around the world. it's a tough pill to swallow, i know, but you'll be better once you just learn to make peace with it. after all, self-acceptance is a prize all its own. we'll be right back. we're willg to scout them out no matter how far away. anything to report?

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welcome back. earlier this week we finally got a look at a delayed report from the department of homeland security. a whistle-blower accused the department of blocking their report which named white supremacy as the most lethal terrorist threat facing this country out of deference to the president, an assessment that was illustrated clearly just days later as 13 people were arrested for plotting the kidnapping of michigan governor gretchen whitmer. the michigan attorney general didn't hesitate to link their actions to white supremacist organizations spurred at least in part by the president. joining me now is mississippi congressman benny thompson, chairman of the homeland security committee. thank you for being with us, mr. chairman, this evening. this report that was held back that a whistle-blower brought

out, how significant is that report? and how has your committee dealt with what this report has represented to be a serious homeland security problem? and when we look at what happened in michigan should be of concern to all americans? >> there's no question about it. thank you for having me, reverend al. as you know, the department of homeland security primary responsibility is protect the homeland. affirmati part of that protection requires letting the public know what's going on. we had a hearing in september and we had hthe fbi tell us tha right-wing extremism was on the rise. i got a bill passed trierequiri the fbi to publish that information so that not just

members of congress but the public could have it. well, believe it or not, that report was due in june and is still not out. >> wow. >> that's not discounting the report that we're talking about now, but there's another report that should've been out. my congress member from michigan asked the fbi about the white supremacist activity in northern michigan, and he said that ideology was on the rise. i had a michigan congresswoman at the hearing raise this very question about right-wing extremism in her district. so we all have known that it was going on, but, you know, this president, reverend al, has forced that mind-set that's it's all right to be a right-wing extremist in america because donald trump promotes that kind

of ideology. >> now, when we see the memo that has come out and you say there's another bit of information coming, are you as chairman of homeland security, one of the most effective members of congress, are you members of congress, are you concerned that there are white supremacist groups like this that has been indicted in michigan that is a real and present danger to a lot of american people, particularly as we go to this election? >> oh, there is no question about it, reverend al. the southern poverty law center has identified 175 right wing extremist groups in america right now. those groups are malicious. those are the boogaloo boys. those group are the proud boys. all those groups have manifested themselves under the trump administration. so they are clear and present

danger to all of us. but donald trump promotes that kind of ideology every day he is in the white house. >> all right. well, you heard it from the chairman. thank you so much, congressman bennie thompson. a tight senate race in south carolina is heating up. recent polls show democratic challenger jaime harrison tied with incumbent senator lindsey graham. last night the two squared off in separate 30 minute interviews. senator graham getting a lot of heat after saying this. >> you can be an african american and go to the senate. you just have to share the values of our state. in south carolina, folks, it's not about the color of your skin or where you came, from it's about your ideas. i care about everybody. if you're a young african american, an immigrant, you can go anywhere in this state. you just need to be

conservative, not liberal. >> joining me now is senate candidate jaime harrison. mr. harrison, my phone was ringing off the hook after the senator said this. your reaction to what he said. >> well, reverend al, as you know, i've been talking about this on the campaign trail a lot. i'm about building a new south, one that is bold, that is inclusive, that is diverse. one where here in south carolina we deserve to have a senator who is going to represent all of us, regardless if we're democrats or republicans, conservatives or liberals. and it's just sad to hear that type of language coming from senator graham. but it's something that i expect, because lindsey graham has changed. he is not the same lindsey graham that we all used to know. so the folks in south carolina are hungry for some new type of leadership as well. that's why he is in the race of his life, and we're about to send him home. >> now, mr. harrison, you have said that you would debate the

senator again. he asked joe scarborough earlier on this show said, he has refused to take a covid-19 test in order to debate. why would he not want to take a covid-19 test? there are buildings that i go in new york that you have to take a covid-19 test. i don't understand what that means. >> and reverend, i'm sure every time lindsey graham golfed with the president, he also had to take a covid test. so i don't understand why the difficulty. what's the barrier. he took one the last time we had a debate. but for some odd reason, rev, i don't know why he was so hesitant to take one this time around. maybe he was just scared getting on the debate stage with me. >> yeah. >> after we were with him the last time. and i can understand that. but he needs to be straight up. >> i think maybe he is afraid -- he is afraid of jaime harrison test. let me say this, give you a chance to answer it. he has tried to paint you as an

extremist. and i've known you down through the years when you headed the party, and you've always to people like me, i'll go with you with what i agree with and i'll tell you what i don't. not only you not an extremist, in many cases you have been a centrist. clearly, how are you feeling all of the sudden they act like you are on the far left when clearly your record has indicated a lot more center and balanced than that? >> you know, rev, i learned from jim clyburn which it's about progress. it's about moving the country forward and working with democrats and republicans the do that. i think that's a pragmatic side of me. and i'm going to continue to do that. but lindsey, he is out of touch, and he's about to lose this race. >> all right, jaime harrison, thank you for being with us this evening. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. oughts stay with us and still going for my best. even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib... ...not caused by a heart valve problem.

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on this week's debate between vice presidential candidates, i think it became clear that as the vice president tried to defend his record and the record of this president, he was put in a position that really no one could have been in a more awkward and more challenging position. because how do you defend how they've handled covid-19, how

they've handled all of the other catastrophes that we've seen happen around this country, including the rich getting richer and the poor can't even not only get better, but can't even get a stimulus check that has to follow up at the time of this debate. i said, though, as i listened to senator harris do a good job of acquitting herself and thought about how in 1972 i ran around behind a woman called shirley chisho chisholm, the first black woman to go congress who was running for president that year. and i had run around during the pep speeches to warm up a crowd. and i talked about how he come from chisholm to a black woman named harris on the ticket. i talk about all of that in my book "rise up" that is available now. it came out early this week and already selling a lot of books.

you need to read how we rise up and stay on the right road so that the dreams of a shirley chisholm can keep making the kamala harriss happen in every field, every race, every gender and sexual orientation in this country. dreams can come true if we rise up. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern. up next, my colleague, alicia men mendez picks up our news coverage. >> hello, everyone. i'm alicia menendez here in miami, florida. tonight we start with a president who claims he is recovering from coronavirus. and today saw no issue holding his first campaign rally since the diagnosis. like a pandemic isn't amongst us, playing politics from the balcony of the people's house. tonight we'll not lose sight of the lives forever changed by this virus. those who have had it, those who have lost someone to