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. good day, everyone, from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome to weekend with alec wit. there is a lot going on. ebegin with the latest from the white house. and the president's declaration that he is now covid-free. >> note that you have revealed from your doctor which says you are no longer considered a transmission risk. does this suggest you no longer have covid, sir? >> yes. and not only that, it seems like i'm immune. so i can go way out of a basement, which i would have done anyway, which i did, because you have to run a country. you have to get out of the basement. looks like i'm immune, for i don't know maybe a long time. >> actually, this does not square with what the president's doctor said last night that the president is quote no longer

considered a transmission risk to others. he said the president's meets quote cdc criteria for the safe diss continuation of isolation. the doctor's statement was released after the trump campaign released the president's travel schedule and rally schedules for this week as you see there. the doctor does not say what treatment if any he is currently undergoing. also today, new polling from three battleground states showsed bian ahead of the president by six points in michigan and nevada. the candidates are tied in iowa, 49-49%. the latest national poll shows joe biden leading the president by 12 points. on capitol hill, senators are gearing up for the supreme court nomination hearing for judge amy coney barrett beginning tomorrow morning. coney barrett released her opening statement today. she did not mention either her

conservativism to or her religious view points. let's go to the white house. kelly o'donnell, welcome. the president, as you know, says he is no longer -- he no longer has covid. does that square with what his doctor said? >> the president is bringing his cle cheerleader style to how he is talking about his illness saying he is feeling good and cleared the hurdles of testing and so forth. the doctor's memo indicates the president is not contagious any longer. that's different from not having the virus. medical experts say when people are no longer contagious they may be able to shed dead virus which does not infect others but does not test positive for covid. to get a sense of how the president pushes the boundaries when he is talking about his own treatment and putting the best possible shine going beyond each what the science says here's

more. >> the antibody kind of thing that i took was -- i felt -- i felt really good almost after taking it. i know people call it a therapeutic. but to me, it's a cure. okay? to me, it's a kurm i think it is much more than a therapeutic. and i want to get it immediately into the hospitals. >> there is no cure for coronavirus. the president's endorsement of that, what is still in development treatment, is something that the government is working with. regeneron and eli lily for the kind of cocktail that he took that obviously produced a very good benefit for him. but there is no cure. the president's talking about feeling good, and being ready to get back out. now n the president's physician's memo, it also did not say that the president was complete tlooely symptom-free. it referred to him having improved symptoms and not having

a fever in over 24 hours. the president has gone ten plus days since we heard about the diagnosis so that leaves the question, does he have any other symptoms. the president said he is not taking medications currently. we know that the remdesivir that he was on, one of the strong drugs, was a five-day course. the regeneron was a one time. and then there was also a stared that was employed while he was hospitalized. we don't know beyond the president's own accounting that he is not taking any medications. he also tweeted, reaffirming and expanding on what the doctors are saying saying he is good to go. the president clearly wants, especially in the final days of his campaign, to appear healthy and able to go out. and also to not raise the specter of is he a threat to others by transmitting think virus. he pointed out today how he was on the blue room balcony yesterday hundreds of feet from the group of support who are were on the south lawn as another evidence of him being

able to be out and campaigning without putting anyone at risk. so the headlines from his comments today -- he's feeling good, he feels like he's back. he's claiming a cure. there is not a cure. but he is certainly projecting he is doing well and feeling better. his doctors haven't gone quite that far but they have clearly said in the memo that was released that he is able to be in a public schedule without putting others at risk. alex. >> okay. kelly o. thank you, from the white house. joining us now, jonathan lemere of the "associated press." and daniel straws of the guardian. welcome to you. glad to have you here. jonathan, what kelly was saying there, doctors haven't gone quite that far. essentially what she is also saying is that we haven't gotten a complete picture with regard to everything with regard to the president and the current state of covid with regard to him. what do you make of all this? >> that's absolutely true. there are still a lot of outstanding questions about the president's health and the course of his treatment. and frankly, how he is doing

right now. the statement last night from the doctors, you know, made -- though it certainly suggested the president was no longer contagious it certainly did not say he had tested negative. it raised questions perhaps as to when symptoms fully abated. it said over 24 hours there had been no fever. a lot of this could be cleared up if we had a briefing from the doctors on the white house medical team. we haven't had one of those in nearly a week. it has been memos released since and of course relying on the president and his own accounting of his health. as we all know, he proves frequently to be an unreliable narrate of. but they are pressing the idea he is recovering. it is impossible to know whether he is immune or not. that's beyond the science at this point. but they are trying to project he is in good health and able the resume his public scheduling and travel. yes, he had a brief event yesterday at the white house. he spoke from the balcony for 18

minutes to a crowd that was far below. tomorrow he is going to travel again. he will be on air force one for the first time since the diagnosis and head to florida for a rally. so far it is not clear whether or not any additional safety precautions will be put in place for him, his staff or anyone in the crowd will in florida. >> the president claiming it is a cure to him. jonathan saying it's his own accounting of his health. it seems to be countering how any medical person who describe this treatment. does this qualify as a sense of disinformation in a way? >> well, there is still just a lot we don't know. what we do know is that the president also has been taking steroids. that usually hides some of the symptoms of someone who gets coronavirus like fatigue and a fever. so it's understandable that the president might say that he feels better because he's on this cocktail that's supposed to relieve him of some of his

symptoms. but we also know that the white house and the trump campaign really wants to brush aside any openings for his opponents to say, look, he, for months, downplayed the coronavirus, and now in a twist of irony is getting it and is sidelines. rump for months has been saying the coronavirus is not as serious as medical practitioners have been warning. now that he has it they are trying to brush it off and prove he is still able to go to debates, still able to campaign and still able to hold rallies which he prioritizes highly in his re-election campaign. >> for sure. jonathan, i want to read this new reporting from the "new york times" about when the president was discharged from the hospital. here's how it goes. in several phone calls last weekend from the presidential suite at walter reed national military medical center trump shared an idea he was considering. when he left the hospital he wanted to appear frail at first when people saw him. but underneath his button downed dress shirt he would wear a

superman t-shirt which he would reveal as a symbol of strength when he ripped open the top layer. he ultimately did not go ahead with this stunt. >> you know -- >> i want to ask your reaction to that? that's extraordinary. >> yeah. >> i mean, it is an extraordinary piece of reporting, and quite the image. he of course did not follow through with that idea. certainly when that was reported yesterday my phone blew up with texts from political operatives on both sides of the aisle sort of marveling he would consider doing that. we know he is a showman. he used to be a reality tv show host. he loves the identify of a spectacle and building drama and the stage craft. i am not sure that would have perhaps played as well as he would have liked it to. it could have been interpreted as making light of his condition and light of the virus. that brings me to a more serious point here. since his discharge from walter reed medical center nearly a week ago and during his time there, his time in the hospital,

he has still done very little in the way of offering any empathy for those in this nation who have suffered because of the virus. the 210,000 and more who have died, millions more who have been sick and of course those who lost their jobs and have had their lives completely changed. even though he now has had a personal experience with this virus he hasn't changed his rhetoric at all. el he is still focus on himself. and he is still saying the nation has experienced a downturn in the priors and he personifies it. >> the president spoke for only 18 mints, jonathan made that point. it is considerably less considering how long the rally speeches usually go. was there anything to it that? do you know if he was scheduled to go longer? >> that alone was really suspicious. to me, the president likesing toon for an hour or two hours

eeshly in his speeches. 18 minutes is a small amount. >> uh-huh. >> even for any other presidential candidate it is a pretty brief speech. what we do know though is that he has been able to go on for a long time in interviews on fox news and fox business. in those situations he has not been on camera. his only appearances have been brief, and they have been from the white house balcony. yeah, alec, it is an unusually short amount of time for a president would loves these rallies, loves these appearances and loves to go on and on. >> he was able to talk to risch limbaugh to your point for a couple of hours. again that was a radio interview. goodness knows the condition in which he was dressed and presenting himself and how relaxed he might have been sitting while he was making those comments to rush limbaugh. the president has a couple of rallies this week. these events have limited social distancing and there is questionable wearing of masks. do you think we are going to see a change in the safety protocol?

do you think we will see a change in the president's messaging on the virus? >> at least so far, we don't believe so. what was striking about yesterday's event at the white house it was the first time there had been any sort of the gathering at the white house since the pandemic where just about everyone was in a mask. masks were required. there wasn't much in the way of social distancing. but at least there were masks, different than the scotus event a couple weeks ago. the rallies, they are few and far between. there is usually the bank of reporters behind the president instructed to wear masks for the images on tv. but the vast majority of the audience don't. and there is very little in the way of social distancing either. we believe that masks tomorrow will be encouraged but not required.

there is not a suggestion there will be any social distancing implemented. the campaign anyway, at least so far is anticipating a significant turnout. the president has been sidelined from the road about ten days now. florida is a state he absolutely has to win. they are hoping this makes a loud statement that he is back. and he is going now to push an aggressive travel schedule in the last three weeks of this race. we have pennsylvania and iowa coming up later this week. we are told to anticipate he will be on the road just about every day sometimes making more than one stop a day from here on out, which is an aggressive candidate particularly one who is still right now recovering potentially from the coronavirus. >> yeah. absolutely. guys i want to look ahead quickly with both of you what happens tomorrow, the nomination hearings for amy coney barrett. she released her opening states just this morning. she wrote, the policy decisions and value judgments of government must be made by the political branches elected by and accountable to the people. the public should not expect the courts to do so, and courts should not try.

dani daniel, you first. do you think this is imy coney barrett suggesting she will not overturn aca or roe v wade. >> those are right now politically toxic remarks to make for the highest court in the land. remember, this is a position that's typically not tinted with the politics of the day. both the trump administration and republicans in the senate have been eager to not say that she's a vessel for overturning roe v. wade or obamacare. they have been saying they really don't know. no one knows what she would -- what roll she would have on the court other than acting as a legal expert and someone with experience over complex and high-profile cases. look, though, she is a favorite of conserve tifativesconservati.

it is not hard to make the connection she would weigh in a conservative fashion on the supreme court. >> jonathan, what do you think she was intending by her opening statement remarks and releasing them today for all of us to pore over. >> i echo those points. certainly this is what you would want her to say, what she is sort of expected to say ahead of these sort of hearings. i am sure she will be pressed upon those believes during and as the week goes on. she is a favorite of conservatives. there is a strong at least inkling how she will rule on matters like abortion and the aca in her time on the bench if she were to be confirmed. it is an interesting moment to have the hearings in the stretch run of the presidential campaign. the advisers who i talked to who recognize they are trailing in this race hope this will be a good week for them. to energize their base through

these hearings. they are looking frankly to have the subject be changed. they feel like they need to have a reset here so the dominant storyline each and every day is not the pandemic and the president's own covid-19 diagnosis. >> john, daniel, good to see you both. thanks, guys. now to some breaking news about judge amy coney barrett's confirmation hearing let's go to washington. deepa, you are getting details on senator harris's participation in the hearings. what are you hearing? >> that's right, alec. we just heard from kamala harris's senate office she will be participating in the hearings remotely. she won't be in the committee hearing room where this is happening. this all comes as she has been pushing for the last days, the last week or so now saying that to go forward with these hearings would be unsafe in terms of coronavirus. there are two senators on the senate judiciary committee who have tested positive since that

white house rose garden event with judge barrett. and this is a concern she said not only for the health of senators and for the media, but also for senate staffers, the people who work in the building to keep it running and keep the place clean and timely. she says this is going to be a health risk for all of those people involved. of course, from her own perspective, right? this is a vice presidential candidate. she's got to be hitting the campaign trail at least in between these hearings or doing a lot of events with voters in the next coming weeks until the election. so to remain remotely is also a move to make sure her own health is staying safe as well. we see the hearings coming up starting tomorrow. it is quite a contrast alex actually from the 2018 hearings that we had with brett kavanaugh. to have kamala harris in the hearing room questioning justice kavanaugh and that back and forth was really a stand-out moment for her. and with remote hearings we are not going to see that same kind

of exchange that we did a couple years ago. as this all pans out in the coming week, that's something to pay attention to see how the virtual aspect of this will play out. >> oh, yeah. that's definitely something we are paying attention to. thank you so much. early missteps, the documentary that explores what went wrong in the early days of the covid-19 crisis -- one of the directors joins me next.

pretty big decision 2020 news today. a remarkable story out of south carolina. democratic senate candidate jamie harrison shattering fun raising records in his battle against senator lindsey graham. he raised $57 million, yeah, you heard that right, for a senate campaign in the third quarter. this morning he talked to a.m. joy about why he thinks vote remembers turning to him. >> we are winning over some of those republicans.

that's why we are neck-and-neck in the polls right now. that's why he's sweating. he understands there are some people right now who don't like the direction that the state is going in. they don't like the direction the country is going in. and they don't like lindsey graham, who he has become. >> juan incumbent lindsey graham hasn't released his totals for the quarter. graham has been going on air and on line pleading for donations. >> the president has been spending the last several months down playing the coronavirus at one point saying it is totally under control. a documentary out this week looks at the many ways it was not. >> the cdc has identified a case of coronavirus in washington state. there are worries about a pandemic at this point? >> no, we're not at all. it is going to be just fine. whatever happens, we are totally prepared. >> we, the scientists knew what to do for the pandemic response. the plan was in front of us. but leadership would not do it.

it is time to lay our careers on the line. and push back. >> joining me now is the coe director of that documentary, totally under control, suzanne killinger. there are two other directors behind this film. big welcome to you. >> thank you sfa i heard this was a secret documentary. tell us what that means, and how it came to be? >> we thought it was really important to not have a bunch of press coming out about this film that we were making it mostly because we were really pushing to try to get people from within the inside the administration or folks who had recently left to talk to us. when there is press coming out and people are already making their minds up about what the film is, what we are doing, it puts even more pressure on people to make a decision whether or not to speak to us. mostly because of that. >> why did you feel the need to

tell this story. >> we felt like we were -- all over new york city, we were watching the whole city shut down. and we felt like there were things that could have been done. there were decisions that could have been made early on n the first three months, to contain this virus. we felt like with an upcoming election, it was really important to lay out the facts to the american people so no matter who you are voting for you understand those decisions made, you understand the power that elected officials have that can really affect your life, especially during a pandemic. >> yeah. so we are looking at the promotion here on the side of the screen. what we are seeing is clearly that you talked with a lot of insiders. you talked with scientists, medical professionals, even government officials doing so. so what was the most shocking thing that you learned while making this film? >> for me, it was really digging into the documents called crimson contagion.

it was an exercise that was put on by the trump administration starting in early 2019. the reports came out in october, 2019, that -- they basically went through an exercise very similar to when we all experienced. it was a simulated pandemic, came from china. a respiratory virus. and they sort of walked through the steps of what would they need in the national stockpile. what kind of things would they need? and the results of this exercise showed that they -- it was unclear who the leaders were supposed to be. the stockpile was not well prepared. there were not enough ventilators, there was not enough testing supplies. we weren't ready. and the same people who led this exercise were the people who were then leading us through the pandemic response in 2020. and the fact that they disregarded the lessons that they had just learned you know two or three months prior was pretty devastating. >> you mentioned reich bright.

he was a doctor. he was the one that released the whistle-blower report and he testified before congress in may. he talked about the dangers of politicizing the coronavirus. then he says he was demoted shortly after that. he has since resigned in recent days. you are telling us that was the most shocking thing to hear. the picture that he painted of this virus and how it was handled -- what was the most shocking part of that to you? >> for how he described the virus? >> yeah. well, how it was handled. how it was handled. it just seemed to be so mishandled. and here's a guy who loses his job over it essentially. he had to quit. he said i'm done. >> the fact he went in in january, said guys, this is what we learned from crimson contagion, what we have been preparing for for our entire careers and the fact that nobody was taking it seriously in

january when they knew how ill equipped they were. shocking. >> hindsight being 20/20, you heard the phrase many times i'm sure. after spending countless hours interviewing, questioning these scientists and analysts putting this film together do you think we can get it back on track? >> i think what went wrong early has a lot to do with testing. as soon as there was an issue with the tests in february we should have pivoted. we could have started working with private labs sooner. private labs were making tests. the w.h.o. had a working test. that would have been able to show us how the virus was spreading, where the virus was spreading. and we could have had a better containment program. once it became mitigation, once it was spreading across the country it was just too late. we were never going to get it under control in places like

south korea and other rigorous nations did. i mean in order to get it under control now, i fell like we really need to be listening to scientists. we need career scientists who have been researching, preparing for this kind of outbreak their entire careers to be at the forefront so americans will trust what's coming out of the government now. there has been a lot of misinformation. i think we need to stop listening to politicians and start listening to scientists. >> it is pretty extraordinary. it tells like this is a living history documentary. i want to thank you very much suzanne for joining us and for talking about it. for all of you watching right now, totally out of control is available starting this tuesday on vod platforms. then you can watch it on hulu beginning on october 20th. what it moob the ultimate what-if for this election. how both parties are preparing for it, next.

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23 days until the election, and the iowa senate race is still too close to call. democrat theresa greenfield leads incumbent republican senator joni ernst by five points in the latest poll. let's go to nbc's moyara barrett in cedar rapids, iowa. what are the candidates doing in these final weeks? >> al egg, yeah, it is a busy day, a busy weekend for senator ernst. she's riding her harley davidson motorcycle across the state during this weekend's six-stop campaign event. the democrat you mentioned theresa greenfield is up in northern iowa today doing some socially distance smaller campaign events. joni ernst is expected here in a matter of hours. you can see some of her supporters behind me. this is a change in what she normally does every year, her roast and ride. this appeals to making everything safer for the coronavirus. but it does kind of feel like

the typical campaign events that we typically see. so it is interesting to be back out here. i talked to voters yesterday at her event over in des moines. and i was asking some of the republican supporters what exactly they are looking for when they are choosing between ernst or greenfield. listen to what mary beth told me. >> honesty. i just -- you know, if a person doesn't seem like they are real, why should you vote for them? if there is $100 million being used to put someone in the senate, find out why. >> yeah. >> if they are not a real person, why is all that money having to back them? >> so that $100 million you heard her reference, theresa greenfield has raised a ton of money, almost $100 million in support for her campaign. it is the second most expensive senate race in the state, in

2014 ernst led in her race by eight points when she won the senate seat. this is one that democrats could see flipping back to turn the senate blue. what is more, is ernst heads back for the judiciary committee hearings tomorrow. she referenced she is looking for someone to be on the court who will be a constitutionalist, going to follow the constitution noting she is not really sure that roe v. wade will be overturned because of the 50-year precedent. but jenny ernst did vote to repeal the affordable care act. that's a case that the supreme court will be seeing right after the election. >> thank you for that. now to what could evolve into a nightmare scenario in the days and weeks after november 3rd. the "washington post" putting a spotlight on how both parties are preparing for the possibility of a contested election as a chaotic white

house race hurdles to a close. joining me now, one of the authors of that article, amy gardner national political reporter at the "washington post." welcome to you. a heck of an article. >> thanks. >> what are the biden and trump campaigns doing? how different are their approaches? >> so both campaigns are preparing for the possibility of a contested election. and the difference is pretty fundamental. the republicans are seeking to look for opportunities to disqualify mail ballots. they have said that they will challenge ballots that don't have a postmark or that are missing an outer envelope or where a witness signature doesn't match. whereas the democrats are seeking to expand the ease with which people can vote by mail. the reason for that is pretty simple, which is that polling across the country has shown that democrats are more likely to vote by mail than republicans in part because of some of the rhetoric that president trump has given this year that unmines

confidence in mail-in ballots and his supporters have listened to that more readily than democrats have. >> that analysis is not surprising. amy, you write that campaign operatives, election lawyers, constitutional scholars say there are several scenarios that could push the outcome of the white house race to congress for the first time, or to the supreme court for the first time since 2000. run through the most notable scenarios. >> let's say the counting isn't finished as of the date the electoral college is supposed to meet and cast their ballots for the president. we know that more democrats are expected to vote by mail than republican and that more republicans are expected to vote in person on election day. and as a result of that, there is a real nooblt on election night president trump is ahead. the democrats call this the red mirage. because they expect that that

lead would diminish after the election as counting is completed and as mail ballots change the balance for biden. what happens if that deadline approaches and there isn't a final result you could see the two sides seating dueling sets of electors. it could wind up in congress or at the supreme court. >> key battleground states, pennsylvania, also wisconsin, do not permit local election officials to even begin processing mail ballots until election day. then you have roughly two dozen states including other key battlegrounds that allow ballots to arrive days after november 3rd and still be counted. if the vase a nail biter, does it mean -- >> right. >> -- does this guarantee -- we are not going to be able to go to sleep whether nits the wee hours november 4th and know who has won the election?

>> right. it depends entirely on where the outcome boils down to. as you say, there are these two dozen states that i a lou ballots to come in after november 3rd. if those states are in the balance, very close, then we will be it with aing to see what those outstanding ballots look look. similarly, there are these two states that you mentioned, wisconsin and pennsylvania, key battlegrounds that are not even allowed to start opening ballots until election morning. pennsylvania took about two weeks, largely driven by philadelphia, the largest city in the state, to count these ballots during the primary. if pennsylvania is down to the wire on election night, that's going to be problematic for the rest of us looking for a result. however, officials at the county level across pennsylvania say they have been preparing mightily since the primary and acquired new equipment and are ready and expect it to go much more quickly than it did during the primary. >> thanks for going through the possible scenarios and for writing a great article, amy

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now to velshi across america 2020, he vised michigan to talk about the upcoming election and there is alleged plot to kidnap and possibly harm governor gretchen with itmer. ali asked panel members how they felt about the head of their state becoming the target of violent militias.

>> she's had many executive orders in place. what she's done is try to contain covid-19 in michigan. i mean here in michigan alone we had over 7,000 deaths from covid-19. there is over a 220,000 deaths of covid-19 in this country. so having this shutdown is something she felt was necessary to do. and it did help actually with lowering our numbers. and so it's unfortunate that some appearance don't agree with specifically in michigan -- some michigan residents don't agree with her practices and her procedures, but to take it out in this way is really -- it is really sad. >> whatever somebody tries to take a life, it is a terrible thing. but the president takes a different take on it. and he denounced the governor. he doesn't try to send help. and he sows the seeds of social unrest by his words and his actions. the president's words matter.

people listen. he is the leader of this country. and he doesn't denounce white supremacists. he allows the unrest to continue happening and incites violence in some ways. i am an indian american. i am a brown woman. my children are brown. i am afraid. for the first time in my life, i am afraid for my and my family's life and what will happen, you know, if he decides that he is going to cause more unrest to get votes. >> i say it's disgusting. it's sad. i also think it is a symptom of the hate that's been pushed in this country, and the division. i don't think that would have happened if we had a male governor. they did that because she's a woman and disagreed with her. these are terrorists. and they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. what disgusts me more is that our current president, instead of lifting up the disgusting nature of this, chose to attack

our governor and just say that they disagreed with her. she also had a sheriff out at a rally with the same people that were arrested. you know is this so we talk about the police, their job, and arresting, well the police are on the stage with them. this is a symptom of a much larger problem. and donald trump is that problem. >> let's face it. i don't agree with governor with itmer. but a militia group like that trying to attack a human life -- i think it's very, very disgusting. those militia members, as they claim, they are also hating on freedom of americans in this country. and now they must face justice because if they don't face justice, justice will not be served, and this attack can happen anywhere in america. and that's why these are not americans that tried doing this. these are terrorists. >> all of that very well said. ali val she there with folks in detroit, michigan.

next week he heads to the border wall in tucson, arizona. a look at the obama years through the lens of one who was there for all of it. the new documentary from a veteran white house photographer. he joins me next. e photographer he joins me next

a new documentary, the way i see it, gives a remarkable look inside the presidents of ron reagan and barack obama through the lens of someone who was there for it all. white house photographer pete souza. >> the job is to visually document the presidency for history. so when inauguration rolled around, i had in the back of my mind for the journey i was about to take this thought -- make authentic photographs. think mood. emotion. context.

be ready for the fleeting moments, both big and small. my goal was to create the best photographic archive of a president that had ever been done. a president sha hthat had ever be done.a images for history. >> and that man is joining me. pete souza. as i thank you, i'll share with you with our viewers that i thanked you to making this film during the commercial break and you told me to have tissues ready when i watch it. i didn't know that you meant during the clip. that even choked me up. it will clearly being very emotionally provocative, but tell me how the film can about and what it was like to see your photos put together like this. >> it can about because laura dern and her production partner contacted me about possibly

doing a film. and it wasn't anything that was on my radar, but when they came to me and presented their idea, i thought that i could participate in this given the quality of laura dern and evan hayes, i thought that i would be in good hands with them. >> you clearly were. your role, pete, immerses you in these presidencies, you follow them from white house to meetings with foreign leaders and into some very serious situations sometimes. what was it like to be part of that? >> you know, you are a fly on the wall for history. you really were. i mean, an interesting thing about my job was every emotion that barack obama went through as president, i was there for. so it is almost as if i experienced it with him even though i was the observer and not the participant.he film, yo

touching story about president obama and a little boy visiting the white house. it has become iconic. let's listen to part of that. >> this is jacob philadelphia. at one point jacob's mom said mr. president trump, jacob has a question for you. so jacob is kind of like, mr. president, my friends tell me that my hair cut is just like your. a and with that, president obama bent over and jacob touched his head, i got one photo and it was gone on. >> that image is what barack obama had said to us two years ago at an office in chicago. that kid literally can't even believe even though he is seeing the president in the oval office, until he can feel his head, he doesn't truly believe that he is just like me. that single image stands for so much more. it stands for how kids will see themselves differently forever.

>> but too i think it tells you something about barack obama. that it be behest of a 5-year-old kid, you would bend over and let that kid touch your head like that. >> tell us what happened after that photo was taken. how did that little boy react? >> well, you saw what happened. i literally have one picture of him touching president obama's head and the very next picture is president obama touching his head. which is kind of unique. i probably shouldn't give that away for the mill him. but to me, michelle obama says that the presidency doesn't change who you are, it reveals who you are. and i think these fleeting moments show that. i think that this helps show you what barack obama was like as a human being just as a person. >> yeah, and in that particular snapshots, he really was a father as he was to his two wonderful daughters. i know you've had a front row

with a lot of these public events, but you were also there for the private moments and a lot of them. what were those times like and did they shape the way that you viewed these two men? >> for sure. as i said, i think that part of my job was to try to reveal who they were as human beings. both president reagan and president obama. and hopefully i did a good job in capturing these fleeting moments, that, you know, you can't expect them to happen, you just have to be ready for them. >> i know, pete, you've been somewhat outspoken in recent years about your thoughts on the current administration. share some of your thoughts with our viewers right now and how you would compare this presidency to those of reagan and obama. >> well, to echo what one of those guests in michigan just said, the words coming out of the president's mouth really does matter.

and it doesn't seem to matter to our current president. i mean, look, both reagan and obama no matter what side of the political aisle you are on had empathy, had compassion, had competence, had leadership, had character. it was inherent in them as human beings. all those characteristics are missing from this current president and i think that that is why we're in the situation that we're in. >> i want to play for the viewers, pete, one last clip from the film. one that kind of sums up how you captured all those important moments. take a listen, everyone. >> eight years as chief official white house photographer for the obama administration, i documented all the important moments of his presidency. the emotion. the tough decisions. the stressful times. the fun times.

but also showing what he was like as a dad, as a husband. gist as just as a human being. to me that shows how the job of the president should be done. >> and what you have done here is allowed all of us to be a part of these really important presidential moments. i imagine this will be a hard question to answer and you may not have an arranges but do you have do you have one memorable moment that stands out either with reagan or obama? >> well, i mean, i guess i'll have to say since my wife is probably watching, is when she and i got married in the rose garden and president obama -- officiated. i mean, you know, that was kind of a classic moment. although i didn't have a camera around my shoulder. so i felt a little out of sorso,

if you will. >> you answered that very well. your wife will appreciate it. and again, my personal thanks as well for bringing us this film. i think that we're all ready to see it and i appreciate you and your time and your talent. for all of you, you can certainly watch the film, the way i see it, it will be commercial-free in fact right here on msnbc friday night at 10:00 p.m. eastern. it is a plea for help amid silence from parked jimbo jets, but is congress really listening? (fisherman vo) how do i register to vote? hmm!.. hmm!.. hmm!.. (woman on porch vo) can we vote by mail here? (grandma vo) you'll be safe, right? (daughter vo) yes! (four girls vo) the polls! voted! (grandma vo) go out and vote! it's so important! (man at poll vo) woo! (grandma vo) it's the most important thing you can do!

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