good morning. if is saturday, october 17th. i'm ali velshi. we are 17 days out from the most consequential election in our lifetime. we start this hour with the tale of international espionage connected to a close confidante of the president of the united states. the president was reportedly warned that his personal attorney, former new york city mayor rudy giuliani was the target of a russian intelligence operation, a story that is unraveling to reveal allegations of disinformation, dirty tricks and a federal probe over russian efforts to disparage joe biden.

giuliani's october surprise was supposed to cast a negative light on biden but it might have back fired as new reporting indicates that intelligence officials believe giuliani may have been used as a tool to feed russian misinformation to the president. we'll have much more on that in a moment. but first we turn to america's right to vote, the ability to determine who leads our nation, the opportunity to cast our ballot free from harassment, intimidation and suppression and the assurance that ballot will be counted. former vice president joe biden taking a commanding double-digit lead with just two weeks to go until the election. the nbc news decision desk early vote tracker sth eer shows a st number of americans have already voted. more than 21 million people have already cast mail-in and early

wallets this far. biden was asked about young black voters, a critical group in this election. >> as my buddy john lewis said, it's a sacred opportunity, if black men and women vote, you can determine the outcome of this election. not a joke. can you do that. >> much of this unprecedented wave of early voting is being driven by democratic enthusiasm. according to nbc news, georgia has officially surpassed 1.3 million ballots cast. we've seen powerful, powerful images this week of georgia voters waiting in line up to 11 hours after polls first opened on monday. look at that, carrying chairs, carrying food. as of yesterday the total number of in-person ballots cast in the state stands at nearly 688,000. that far outpaces the more than 453 person early votes cast in

201. "the washington post" reporting in north carolina near live one in five of 500,000 who have returned their mail ballots so far did not vote in the last presidential election. in michigan, more than a million people, roughly one fourth of the total turnout in 2016 have already voted. in travis county, texas, where austin is, voter participation is nearing capacity. officials there say of the county's more than 850,000 eligible voters, 97% of them have registered to vote. the county went heavily democratic in the 2016 general election with hillary clinton earning more than 66% of the vote then. the democratic surge comes as a direct challenge, an answer of sorts, to republican efforts to suppress the vote. in a statement i never thought i'd have to read in my career, the president of the united

states himself, donald trump, has personally led the charge to cast doubt on our electoral process, calling the election rigged, making false claims about the security of mail-in voting. the strategy was on full display this week as the president revisited a frequent lie that he tells about ballots being discarded during his town hall with savannah guthrie. >> when i see thousands of ballots dumped in a garbage can and they happen to have my name on it, i'm not happy about that. >> there is in fact no evidence of widespread fraud and you are sewing doubt by our democracy, our democracy. >> that is a lie. there are no thousands of ballots in a garbage can. there were nine ballots that were found to have been improperly discarded in pennsylvania, some but not all of which were according to the justice department cast fortrump. local officials said they're working to contact those voters

and fix their ballot. but donald trump tells that lie about thousands thrown in the garbage or in a river, that he nor his team are willing to identify. but there's more. there's actual voter intimidation afoot. it's warned we are in for a wave that we are in for-backed demonstrations writing republican efforts will surely spike on election day with a strong potential for electoral disruptions and civil disturbances, if not outright violence. there's going to be a lot of watches, cameras, attorneys all over the country in suburban philadelphia, it's going to be chaotic. that's where i'll be on election night, by the way.

philadelphia. it's not like the gop is being coy about its efforts. the republican party admitted to putting misleading ballot boxes. theyrecepticles are illegal. california's attorney general and secretary of state say the gop has agreed to comply with the cease and desist order, releasing a statement saying, quote, despite their rhetoric in the press, they will not make available or condone the use of unstaffed, unsecured official ballot drop boxes. this is an important stop in

stopping the ballot confusion. americans will not be bullied or intimidated out of voting. you're seeing it in the surge in early voting. you can do it, go out now. the one advantage of the long lines is they can't intimidate you. plan your vote now. we can help. go to nbcnews.com, plan your vote to get started. you put in your zip code, it will tell you exactly how you can vote in your state. you have this right. don't let anybody take it away from you. allegations of voter fraud are at the heart of a new documentary from pbs's "frontline." listen to this. >> voters forced to choose between their health and civic duty. >> those lines are long in wisconsin. >> it's unethical. >> it was a putrid decision. >> people are going to die because of this. >> i want to bring in staff writer at the new yorker, a

frontline pbs correspondent. he did the upcoming documentary of which what we've just showed a portion. jelani, everything i started the hour with says voters are not accepting the b.s., they're getting the message that you and your ancestors fought for this right and, damn it, i'm voting. >> one of the interesting things about this is people worried about the pandemic making voter turnout decrease. and that's something we thought about in the spring, just getting accustomed to this world we're living in here. the states that have conducted their elections solely by mail-in ballot are consistently states that have some of the highest voter turnout period. so the tensions around this election, the passions that people feel on either side of the political divide, the crisis

that the country -- the multiple crises that the country is mired in right now, all of those are motivating factors but one simple reality is you have more people voting by mail, which will likely translate into more people voting even under the best of circumstances. >> yeah, yeah. you're seeing these voter registration numbers far in excess of when we didn't have a pandemic. you retweeted season from dr. reverend barber in which he said we've been through too much and seen too much and fought for to too much. if we ever needed to vote, it's now because good will not do for us what we can do for ourselves. this is a man of the cloth saying this is your job, you go out and vote. >> and reverend barber has been one of the most significant voices on this question raising again and again and again that

the voting right act has been eviscerated, that it's within the power of the congress to recreate the voting rights act and meet the standard set in 2013, which it has declined to do. so we've gone seven whole years now without a voting right act. and reverend barber has just done an outstanding job of always bringing attention to that. >> you make an important point. for those people standing in those likes for hours, in counties where they'ring deliberately confused about where you put your ballot in overly complicated states in the face of active voting suppression, the actual act of voting in 17 days and putting in a congress and a senate and a president that will bring the voting rights act back alone is enough reason to do it. >> that's absolutely correct. and i think that one of the other things is that there is a dynamic where-in people know

that their vote is being impeded being that people are counting on them not going through the difficulty. it is absurd that we have people voting, waiting for three, four, eight, ten hours to cast a ballot. but the fact that we have this set of circumstances, which is not coincidental and not accidental, it's made people all the more demd to go out and make sure that their voice is heard. >> thank you as always for your work and for the documentary and for being with us. his latest piece, "whose vote counts" airs on pbs this tuesday a 9 p.m. eastern. >> at the top of the show, reports that u.s. intelligence agencies warned the white house that trump confidante, rudy

giuliani was being targeted by a russian intelligence operation to feed misinformation to the president. the report says ghoiuliani was being you'd to feed misinformation to the president. joining me, joyce vance. thank you for being with us. there's an entire investigation conducted by a united states senator based on garbage information from somebody that the u.s. intelligence services had already said is an agent working on behalf of russia that was largely fed to rudy giuliani. so congress has already wasted time on this nonsense. we all knew this is what giuliani's game is. >> it's no surprise at all that this warning was administered by the nlks community to the white house and to the congress.

what is i think so surprising here is that the president did not heed the warning. if nothing else out of a sense of self-preservation you would have thought donald trump would have distanced himself from rudy giuliani once the warnings were issued. instead he continued to hold giuliani close. the question is whether the president just intent on winning at any cost, even if it means helping out one of our country's enemies, russia, in spreading disinformation or is there something else, is the president compelled to stay in russia as you orbit for reasons that aren't yet clear to us. >> let's talk about why the president is mostly compelled to want to be the president of the united states on an ongoing basis. i get this question and i'm going to put it to you. what legal liability does the president likely face if he's removed from office? joyce vance -- you and mcquaid wrote an article in which you

call a rap sheet for a former president and outline obstruction of justice, bribery, campaign finance violations, pre-presidency crimes, hatch act violations and for a good measure pus crimes for another day. what do these translate into if donald trump is not the president of the united states? >> so barb and i were very conservative of the estimation of the president's potential criminal exposure when we wrote this piece. we wanted to be fair minded and deferential. we started by making the point the next attorney general will have to make those decisions on whether to prosecute the president and those in his inner circle. that will depend on whether the attorney general believes there's evidence to sustain a conviction and whether it's in the best interests of the united states to make those prosecutions. joe biden has said he'll leave those decisions to the attorney

general, but just based on publicly available evidence, the president has enormous exposure, ranging from these sort of pre-presidency crimes, the financial rod rosenstecrimes, a through his presidency, the bribery and impeachment and the hatch act violations, which may not be the sexiest but have a lot of meaning for the american people. >> joe biden says he'll leave it to the attorney general. that's a foreign concept for us over the last four years because the attorney general of the united states appears to be donald trump's personal fixer and assistant. what do you think actually makes sense? in the interest of justice, in the interest of preserving the office of the presidency that has been debased, there are some things on here that maybe make sense and some that are not worth the effort or typically

don't get prosecuted anyway, what does that look like to you? or dos it look like some version of cy vance doing some things and new york attorney general tish james doing something? >> this is the i think the really hard call the next attorney general has to make. we don't want to become one of those countries where woe routinely prosecute our politicians and certainly not our president as soon as he leaves office over political charges. it will be important to distinguish between political acts that we might not like but aren't technically criminal. but to the extent the president may have committed crime, if there was bank fraud in the assessment of his property values, those issues have to be addressed. there has to be accountability even for presidents. we believe that know man, not even the president is above the law. >> thank you, it's an article

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the coronavirus pandemic has killed more than 219,000 americans and more than a million people worldwide in the last ten months. since the very beginning, donald trump has downplayed both the seriousness of it and the science around it. that information is neither new nor refutable because trump said it to veteran journalist bob woodward on tape, multiple times. while there are moments he says even one day is too many, his consistent message to americans has been to socially distance from reality, from science and from good public health. the virus will go away, disappear when the warmer weather arrives.

the outbreak would be temporary. portions of the population are virtually immune and his number one hit, i don't agree if everyone wears a mask, it will disappear. remember his actions minutes after leaving water reed do. still shedding the virus, mask off and in-person events quickly starting. everything science said would happen did happen. it was predicted more than 208,000 people would be dead from the virus on election day. the imhe model was favored by the white house and now the virus is returning all over the world, even to places where they observed proper public health protocols because the science said it would make a comeback with the colder weather and be combined with the flu season. despite the accurate forecasts

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i'm ready to sign a big, beautiful stimulus. you saw the other day i said go big or go home, right? i want it to be big, i want it to be bold, i want -- >> are senate republicans with you? are they going to go big, bold number? >> they'll go. >> president donald trump was pretty optimistic about the stimulus deal negotiation. his treasury secretary steven mnuchin said a relief bill may not be passed before the elections. researchers at colombia university found since may 8

million americans have sunk into poverty after funds from the c.a.r.e.s. act dries up. 8 million american. this after the united states underwent a new cycle of prolific unemployment claims, almost a million of your fellow citizens falling on unemployment. and report from "the new york times" that in february the trump administration gave private information to wealthy gop donors about the economic losses that could occur due to the pandemic. it did this at the same time that the president publicly insisted there was no threat and the virus would disappear. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren calling on watch dogs to investigate those private conversations for insider trading and malfeasance. trump and his staff abdicated their duties to help americans who needed it most. while you or someone you know

may be struggling to pay for food and make his or her rent, trump on cared about his wealthy donors and a booming stock market that he continually talks about. joining me now, author are a the "new york times" top ten book of the year. and my friend, medhi. thanks to both of you for being here. sheelah, the idea a president had better information than any other human in america probably on earth about how bad this things was going to be, which we now know because he told bob woodward about it. he's giving one set of information to investors and another set of information to the general public. while it may not meet the legal

standard of insider trading, that's what the whole concept is, some people get better information than others, the poor suffer and the rich as in this case get richer. >> it's a betrayal. you have millions of struggling americans and millions of struggling american businesses stuck in the middle of this political struggle going on in washington and of course what the president did with that information is a perfect example of his conflicting interests he's managing. so you have his desperate need for more federal aid and more transparency to all of these struggling people across the country, you have republicans in congress playing a sort of political game, watching the election and deciding for themselves that actually trump is looking a little weak. they're not so sure he's going to be reelected. so why should they go out on a limb and approve aid that the democrats want? and then you have this same

dynamic on the side with the democrats saying, you know, why should we do something that's going to help president donald trump during these last weeks leading up to the election? so you have american people caught in the middle, the stakes are extremely high and this is going to exacerbate economic pain for people across the country. >> and yet the president continues to say the economy is booming, 880,000 new people filed for unemployment claims this week. there are people with mortgages that are going to lose their homes. there are people whose rent forbearance is being eliminated, 8 million have slipped into poverty, many have lost employer-sponsored health insurance. in my neighborhood in new york on the upper west side, dozens of small businesses have closed because there's no business for them. they can't pay their workers. the economy is not just fine and it's not getting better. >> you're right, ali. and the president of course lies. that's what hes d s didoes is l.

he lives in an alternate reality. the president is defined by lines. people are in food lines. you played a clip a moment ago from a town hall where trump said i want to go big, i want to go bigger than the democrats and republicans, he said, which is a lie. his own white house has said they want to keep the price tag under $2 trillion. mitch mcconnell is offering has a billion. those numbers may sound big but put that in context. harvard university put out a study showing the cost of covid by this time next year, assuming it's under control by this time next year, a big if, will be $16 trillion, 90% of u.s. gdp, four

times the cost of the great recession of 2008. and a government that is awol, a senate busy confirming a supreme court justice rather than passing much-needed legislation, 17 million more americans are hungry today than they were before the pandemic. it's a complete betrayal. >> we have tens of millions of people who are food insecure. it means you don't know where your next meal comes from. elizabeth warren wants authorities to do something about this. even in normal tilemes, the ric still get richer. they have capital and they can buy the distressed's assets. that's happened at a greater degree this time around. is there a fix for this ultimately? once we get past this, if we

have a new government, is there a way to say recessions will happen, pandemics will happen, can we do this in a way that the poor or the working class or the middle class don't end up worse at the end of it while we actually watch the rich get richer and all you need to do is look at the stock market to explain how that's working right now. >> you're right, ali, that this was all very predictable and of course things could have been done differently. it's a matter of priorities. we've had a lot of groups completely neglected through the federal and local response to this crisis. we have learned recently that working parents are going to be among the hardest hit groups of people economically as a result of this pandemic and this crisis because there has been nothing done to help working parents, particularly parents of color. we've learned that other vulnerable groups, hispanic workers, black men, black women, they are going to be suffering disproportionately because of the way that the federal

government chose to respond. now, who is doing well? stockholders. stockholders are doing great because congress decided to empower the federal reserve to take very aggressive sort of unprecedented measures to prop up the stock market. after the last c.a.r.e.s. act past, one of the legislators said next time around we're going to folks on kids, we're going to help parents and kids. well, we're still waiting and that is an economic crisis unto itself. >> you still have that unusual foreign name and accent but something is a little bit different. oh, you're a new american citizen. >> i am indeed, ali, thank you very much. it's been a week since i took -- dual citizenship, i'm now british and american. just in time for something that's happening next month. i was delighted to get my

citizenship in time for a certain event around the corner, which i think is important for every american, new and old to participate in. gli remember the takeaway from my citizenshsitshi citizenship took my phone for a while and you sit through the constitution and you learn it. i wish everybody would do that. there's some remarkable stuff in there. most americans are in there, one particular one seemed to have forgotten the enshrined right to protest, note to amy coney barrett. medhi hasan is the host of the

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of those life-saving services. you can't press pause on cancer. it won't wait for the pandemic to end. it certainly won't help you get health insurance and it doesn't care how much money you have. cancer is an unrelenting force, but we can do something to help protect the most vulnerable among us by ensuring that every american has access to health care. the american cancer society studied the affordable care act and fount the aca has improved the lives of cancer patients by making preventable screenings available at no extra out of pocket costs for people with health insurance. the supreme court will hear the challenge to obama care and if they succeed, millions will lose their health insurance. do not put off your screening.

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. throughout america's history we've witnessed how political parties shift over time to adapt to changing population and values. no party has shifted its own ideology as dramatically as the gop. the republican party of president donald trump bears little similarly to the party of george h.w. bush, ronald reagan or the late senator john mccain. john mccain was a true republican, a true conservative, serving his state of arizona through trust, respect, optimism and honesty. he was committed to bipartisanship, fearless in standing up for what he believed literally as a form aer prisone of war. his fwgoverning philosophy, quo, is an idea that form the

greatest cause in human history, that self-government is the only moral government and all people possess equal dignity and a natural right to their freedom and to equal justice under the law, end quote. now, just two years since his death, the that ethos shift is evidence here in arizona where the once re reliably red state could soon be turning purple. joining me now is mark salter, expenditure writer to senator john mccain for more than 18 years. he i he's the author of a new book. this state of arizona is remarkable, beautiful, diverse. used to be very reliably republican and john mccain was the embodiment of republicanism. he held the banner for the republican candidate and he was the republican democrats would vote for because they believed

in him and his commitment to justice and what this country was. he's not anymore. he is shamed by a lot of republicans. they distanced themselves from him. what happened? >> they didn't distance him in his lifetime. before him, it was barry goldwater. there are republicans in arizona who do share -- doug ducey and others, but the republican party and before donald trump, it's certainly excel rated in the era of donald trump, become a nativist, kwaz ciquazi-protecti. it's changed through immigration and other thingses.

miracle county used to be sort of the base of the republican party. purple, and it's trending blue, and that poses a great problem for republicans here running statewide in miracle and for the president. >> i'm heading due south of the border after this show, and i'm going to be talking to people there, ranchers, members from native american tribes and others. how would you discuss what's going on in arizona? >> sure. well, it's a border state obviously, so it suffers sort of the practical problems of, you know, sort of unchecked, unlawful immigration to the country, so it's a big issue, but it's also, i believe the last time i checked, 60% of high school seniors in arizona are hispanic. arizona is steeped in latino

culture. part of latino culture. spanish was spoken there before english. that defines arizona and is very important to the people who live there, and not just the hispanic who live there. >> what was it about john mccain that got under donald trump's skin? >> donald trump may be the most insecure man to ever hold office in the united states. i think he knew john mccain was his superior in character in every way a person can be better than someone else, and i think just -- he lived a life and had a view of public service that was just intrinsically a rebuke to donald trump, who -- donald trump has no interest but self-interest. john mccain tried very hard. sometimes he failed. he'd be the first to admit it.

but he'd put his country ahead of everything, including his own self-try. >> what do you make of cindy mccain endorsing joe biden? is that influential. >> yes, very much so. cindy is a popular figure in arizona and people recognize she's putting her country first as her husband would wish her do and as she is inclined to do herself and realizes that donald trump is a -- you know, is just -- you know, that it's time for donald trump to go and that joe biden would be a fine president, even though i'm sure cindy will have many disagreements with hopefully president biden over policy issues. nevertheless, he's a man who would put his country over himself. >> john mccain had a lot of people disagreeing with him, and yet democrats paid him the

highest regard at his death. his funeral was a rare moment in this trump administration for americans to come together. mark, good to see you. mark salt ter is a speech writer, political adviser, and friend to the late john mccain. his new book is out, "the luckiest man: life with john mccain." that does it for me. join me tomorrow live. next up, "velshi." coming up next, my friend tiffany cross talks to dana n s nessel about having your vote. have a great morning. you're watching msnbc. watchingd before it starts, for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? to customizes yourcan gocar insurancetual.comn. so you only pay for what you need?

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perhaps the only major party i know of in any advanced democracy in the world who explicitly says we're trying to keep certain fellow citizens from voting and we're trying to make it as hard on them as possible, even the far right in europe does not say that. i think that we should welcome the argument that making it easier for people to vote and eliminating the last vestiges of jim crow and poll taxes and all that stuff is not a partisan

issue. >> ah, nostalgia. good morning and welcome to "am joy." i'm tiffany cross. let's be clear. voting is a fundamental right in this country, yet here we are with just over two weeks until the election and we're still in the middle of an ongoing battle to ensure every american has the power do so. now, the chief spreader of election information -- misinformation, that is, donald trump, held a rally in georgia friday night where just two years ago stacey abrams lost a hard-fought historic battle for governor due to the widespread voter suppression tactics as secretary of state and now georgia governor brian kemp. with just 17 short days until the presidential election, republicans in several states, cities, and counties are putting in overtime to suppress the vote yet again. in one of texas's most heavily