i think even if we gave her the money for the poorly run democrat states, i don't think she'd approve it. >> push back from senate republican leaders? >> i'll take care of that problem in two minutes. >> you think we can have a deal before election day. >> if i had something that would be good, i think i could quickly convince the republicans to do it. they are ready but nancy pelosi

doesn't want to do it. >> what's your number. >> i'd go hirer than her number. if you said a trillion eight, if you said 2 trillion, many numbers, i'm willing to go higher than that. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." i'm tiffany cross. as you saw, the president claims he wants to spend big but does he? because if he does, the person he may need to convince is senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who has all but shot down the president's call for a stimulus bill. he announced saturday he'll hold votes this week on republican bills offering $500 billion worth of relief. that's a quarter of what trump says he's willing to spend. mcconnell's announcement signals a rejection of the bill being hammered out right now between administration leaders and house speaker nancy pelosi who are trying to find common ground between the $1.8 trillion proposed by the white house and the house democrats $2.2

trillion plan and mcconnell has the gull to refer to pelosi as marie antoinette. all of this is happening as millions of americans are struggling to buy food or pay the rent and the economic outlook gets bleaker by the day. the federal deficit now sits at $3.1 trillion, which is three times larger than last year. and more than 880,000 new unemployment claims were filed just this week and researchers at colombia university found that 8 million americans sank into poverty after funds from the cares act stimulus dried up in may. joining me now to talk about all of this is congressman and chair of the house democratic caucus joaquin jeffreys. congressman, so happy to have you with me this morning. one thing i think is happening, when people cannot pay their rent, they don't want to hear what's happening in congress, and so as we're sitting here with this political fighting, we have to understand if relief is

coming, it will come from the legislative blanranch of government. can you explain to the american people now suffering and may not understand the manu sha of congressional procedure what needs to happen in congress for them to get some relief. >> good morning, tiffany, great to be with you. house democrats have now acted decisively and passed the heroes act twice. we initially passed the heroes act, $3.4 trillion in relief to the american people in the middle of may. and then a few weeks ago, we acted again because we want to get something done in three different areas. we need to crush the virus. we need to provide direct relief to the american people in areas like housing and food assistance and jobless support and we need to revive the economy so we can get things back on track. speaker pelosi continues to negotiate with treasury

secretary mnuchin in good faith but it's not clear we got a willing partner because the president is all over the place, and mitch mcconnell is doing what mitch mcconnell tends to do, which is obstruct. >> for the people watching and hearing, what's at issue? i saw pelosi spoke with steven mnuch mnuchin. it seems a big issue is national testing they don't want certain aspects, they want to leave the national testing to the local states. they think it should be handled at the states level. what's the problem with that and the people are starving. >> the pandemic is not over for any of us until it's over for all of us. that's just one of the challenges with respect to the trump administration's position but they're unwilling to provide the type of relief necessary to help those american whose have

been unable to pay their rent or their mortgage and unwilling to provide the type of assistance necessary for those struggling, tens of millions of americans because of unemployment and been unwilling to provide the type of assistance necessary to people who are going hungry. the food lines in a district that i rep senlt represent and america are exploding out of control as a result of the pandemic. we're just trying to meet the humane needs of the american people and so far, republicans have been unwilling to meet us half way. >> so this is something that blows my mind congressman, honestly. what the democrats are asking for and what the republicans are asking for, there is so much contrast. the republicans are opposing the democrats ask for help for small businesses. they want to give people $300 in weekly benefits while the democrats are saying $600 and their reasoning is because if

people get this money, they won't want to go back to work, which is ridiculous. that sounds like something rich people say that don't understand the working class. how is it, congressman, the gop continues to present themselves as advocates for the working class when you can look at the two panlans and points of contentions and see one party is trying to help the american people, one party is trying to protect big business and wealthy people? >> that's exactly right. donald trump has told more than 20,000 lies during his tenure as president but the most significant one is that donald trump claims to care about everyday americans. he does not and neither do the senate republicans. the they're all about the wealthy, well off and well connected. they paltssed a gop tax scam whe 83% of the benefits went at the wealthiest 1%. we're at an impasse right now because we're trying to stand up for working families, middle class folks, those who aspire to

be part of the middle class, young people, senior citizens, veterans, the poor, the sick and the afflicted and they're resistant to that effort. that's why m mitch mcconnell wi go to the senate floor with a phony bill that would do nothing to meet the needs of the american people. >> here is my concern, are the republicans winning the message game? when people that don't read four or five papers every day and watch fox news all day and have a conservative news view, they hear the president say i want to go bigger and spend more than nancy pelosi and i don't know how much she wants to spend, there are people that believe that but when they peel away to see what is happening, their minds change. what can democrats do because honestly, the people can move congress, when you start pressing people in their local offices, they will lomove but i they don't understand what is

happening, they might nigot. what can democrats do to say that is what we're asking for. how can dems improve messaging? >> donald trump is lying to the american people. he's got a masters in manipulation and phd in deception. i think, tiffany, the american people understand that. that's why he's suffering right now in terms of public sentiment related to his presidency. the american people understand he's not done a good job with respect to the coronavirus pandemic, and of course, senate republicans for the last four years have acted like a whole low owned subsidiary of the trump administration. if donald trump wanted a deal, he could force mitch mcconnell to make a deal. he's acting like the good cop, mcconnell is acting like the bad cop. they are both corrupt cops when it comes to a reasonable response to the covid-19 pandemic. >> one is a good cop. one is a corrupt cop. that's making it plain, congressman. if you don't know, now you know. appreciate you joining me this

sunday and hopefully we can be back together and share the sce screen once again. i want to bring in bishop william barber, the co-chair of the poor people's campaign and author of we are called to be a movement. bishop barber, i'm so happy to have you with me on this sunday morning because we've talked about the stark reality for the american people across this country as 8 million people have plunged into poverty. what's your thought on the current situation and how can we connect the humanity of what's happening with the political maneuvering in congress? >> well, thank you so much. here is the -- let's make it plainer. you cannot get out of this without dealing with the issue of poverty and low wealth. i'm saying that to all politicians. we have to say poverty ought to be the up front issue. we already have 140 million people in poverty, 250,000 dying a day before covid. now 8 million more people are falling into poverty since may and tiffany, this is not being

discussed. they were already poor. they are not falling into poverty. they are getting poorer because see, the government says if you make $12,800 a year as one person, you're not poor. if you make $26,400 a year for family of four you're not poor. that's not true. where people are poor and low wealth. we must deal with it. we must be talking about living wages. we must talk about guaranteed income and health care and even this compromise, we talk about 1.2 trillion compromised. what is going to be cutting that 1.2 trillion? as you go to 1.8 trillion, who is being hurt there? we need to deal with the issue of poverty and low wealth and not just people on the street who are hungry. that's extreme. we got to deal with that. but people who are working, people who have lost their job who are poor and low wealth and if we don't start dealing with this issue up front, tiffany, we are in trouble as a nation.

trump is making it worse. mcconnell is making it worse. it ought to be the focus of the next debate. >> appreciate the point you're making how we define poverty because that's very true. it's not just living what the government deems is below the poverty line but people's everyday lives and how they are struggling to make it. i believe the power is with the people. what's your advice to the people struggling? how can they encourage congress to move? is there anything they can do? >> we got to -- there is a song that says make them hear you. here is the real thing. one of third of our electret is poor. that's why we have to be talked about. 60 million poor people but 34 million didn't vote last time in 15 states, poor and low wealth people. if they vote between 1 and 19% can change who sits in the senate and presidency. the poor people need to come and we have to turn that into power. we have 3,000 people we've organized that are calling more than 2 million poor and low

wealth infrequent voters in eight states where if one to 19% of poor, low wealth people vote this time, they can change things. they must show that power at the ballot box. that's all politicians understand and we must make people stop saying middle class, wealthy class, those aspiring -- no, people are poor! people of low wealth are hurting. that ought to be the focus of our conversation. how can you not do that when public health officials tell you that poverty and racism are the fishers in which a pandemic lives, breathes and gets its power. we have to deal with the issue and it will take poor and low wealth people, moral and advocates to force thissish sue. yes, the problem is mcconnell and trump because mcconnell would rather protect companies from light tliability but i'm a going to challenge democrats to go right at this issue.

the only place you can expand the e let trlectret is among po gay, black, low wealth. speak to them. they'll reward you with their votes. it's time for a fund mental shift in conversation in this country. >> appreciate that message, reverend. you're talking to the people out there struggling now letting them now the power is with you. you're the many and they are the few. thank you for offering the beacon of hope in these dark times reverend and good luck to you and your continued work. next up, two of my super smart, funny colleagues will tell us if we should believe the polls. i'll see you on the other side of the break. s. i'll see you on the other side of the break - [announcer] welcome to intelligent indoor grilling with the ninja foodi smart xl grill. just pick your protein, select your doneness, and let the grill monitor your food.

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i'll tell you what, we have more enthusiasm more now than four years ago. we have great poll numbers. you see fake poll numbers. they will do anything they can. they are called suppression polls. >> in 2016, taught us anything, it is to always brace for the unexpected. after all, hillary clinton had a strong lead at this point four years ago, but this time around, joe biden has steadily expanded his lead over donald trump in both national and battle ground state polls. the polling average shows donald trump trailing joe biden by almost ten points and as our political team points out, bide chb hass en has been at 50% or higher while clinton got to 50% or higher twice in two-way matchups during the general election. but can we really be sure that 2020 won't be a repeat of 2016? joining me now to answer that

democratic pollster, host of "the strange days" pod cast and erin haynes. guys, so happy to have you here. i got to start with you. you talked about these polls time and time again, i always ask you, you do a great job explaining how polling works. i want to try to explain to people why the polls were not necessarily and interpretation of the polls but you do a much better job explaining it so go for it. >> look, let's talk, america, because the polls are scary, scary times and around the corner, a lot of people are popping anxiety pills like m and

ms. there is good news and bad news. the polls look really, really strong for joe biden. the bad news, of course, is in 2016 the 3polls looked really, really good for hillary clinton. everyone is wondering what does it mean? who can we trust? let's go to the good news and bad news to see why i think it's different. first, tiffany, to your question, this misnomer that the polls are way off in 2016, not true. granted, there were a couple polls that didn't quite have the result but the average of the national polls showed going into the final 48 hours, hillary clinton's lead was between two and four points somewhere within the margin of error and as we know from the popular vote, she won by almost three points in the popular vote. those weren't that far off. the good news about the polling we see now if you want to see biden win, we touched on it

earlier, it is a much bigger lead at this stage than hillary clinton had four years ago. it's also a more consistent lead. that's something i as a pollster look at. we've seen a rock solid consistency and not days or weeks but months. biden's lead really has not budge thd that much. it's fluctuated. to the extent there were off polls in '16, many of the po pollsters have tried to make amends. many of the polls were exact and the other good news, the most reputable reliable polls, the nbc news "wall street journal" poll and abc washington news poll show a clear lead for biden. quickly, the bad news, look, i'll tell you a dirty secret in the polling profession. not all polls are created equal. there are some bad polls out there and some pollsters whose method i wouldn't necessarily trust when it comes to

projecting the actual results out there because they tend to have a clear bias or waiting towards the republicans. so at the risk of sounding sack relig, what should make tapeopl away from this conversation, some of my fellow pollsters may not like to hear this. for most people, ignore the polls. forget about the polls. just go vote and make sure you take as many people as you can to vote with you because that's one thing you can control. you can't control the polls. >> you're in my head, sir. that's the segway to my next point. the media got so caught up in the polls and took their eyes off the electoral college. it's the media's job to explain to the american people and interpret the polls so the interation may have been wrong. i only came to that conclusion after you schooled me. why do voters need to focus on

the polls once we're out of the primary. do you think currently voters are paying attention to the polls and should they be? >> well, hi, tiffany. good to be with you and happy virtual homecoming to you and everybody in the atlanta university center, family, get another thing fallen by the wayside in this pandemic. listen, i think that what voters do have ptsd from 2016 so i think in 2020 regardless of what the polls say, yes, they are consistent but not ready to spike the football and that's why we're seeing in part so much early voting record early voting in a lot of these states. millions of ballots being cast across the country, either in person or mail in already and a lot of the black women voters in particular that i talked to tell me that is really about leaving no room for error. you know, if you vote on election day, there is a chance that, you know, maybe your vote doesn't count and it's too late.

they don't want to make that mistake. they want to make sure their vote is counted and laser focused on not only voting themselves early but also mobilizing others in their community and so i think really some of the other numbers that we need to be looking at in this moment are the millions of women who are phone banking, who are texting, who are early voting and who are sending postcards in this moment because they really -- this is an important election for them that's driven by the pandemic and if i could say there is a number to pay attention to in terms of the polling, the gender gap is really the story in this home stretch. that has been consistent and it is why you have, you know, college educated women, suburban women that are supporting joe biden. that's why you see president trump had a recent rally begging suburban women to please like him saying, you know, i saved your dam neighborhood, which is the 2020 equivalent of the pitch donald trump made to black voters saying what the hell do you have to lose?

the last point i would make this is a question -- this election will come down to voter suppression versus voter turnout. we're seeing record numbers but we know that there are barriers to the ballot box and that is also a number that we're going to have to pay attention to headed into this home stretch. >> yeah, you mentioned the ballot box and there was a great "new york times" article that said biden is not out of the woods yet because of voter suppression. i want you to stick around. is there anything at this point, aaron, that can change the trajectory of the race as we see it now? >> i think that's an open question. you know, we certainly see democrats saying they are pushing for election results that will be more of a mandate than an election won on the margins so the numbers cannot be -- the final result cannot be called into question so there can be a peaceful transfer of power but, you know, at this

stage, it really is a question of turnout. it not a question of whether voters are necessarily going -- still trying to decide between joe biden or president trump, b both of whom are people in our political and public ecosystem for a long time but it whether or not they are actually going to exercise their right to vote particularly in a pandemic that is affecting their daily lives as they try to balance their public health with the health of our democracy. >> i don't disagree with erin but the one thing i think that the polls can change to be honest, it's that we could see even bigger advantage for joe biden now and the final weeks with this debate coming up this week, if donald trump repeats his disastrous first debate performance, it could get ugh r uglier. once we get into the final 48 and 72 hours before election day, because we know people are voting in mass right now, but if we see in those final polls the

type of lead that joe biden has now, double digits, let me give a warning to the people of the united states, the polls are not going to be wrong. when you see that kind of a result, those are indicative scientifically done polls of what the american electret is suggesting they will do having already voted. it a counter weight to fraud. we need to be vigilant, all of us about looking at all of the averages of polls from the reputable poll stosters in the l 48 and 72 hours because those are predictive of the outcome and these are smart, professional pollsters doing this. they could very much be a counter weight. if we have polls with biden up double digits but trump somehow wins quote unquote by one or two points, something will be rotten in the state of denmark and we need to be vigilant about that. polls can help democracy in that

regard. >> the best advice is ignore the polls but political nerds like me are fascinated but what they say. erin, don't go anywhere. we'll see you in the next hour and thank you fernand for joining us and breaking it down. coming up, two of the most important people trying to turn georgia blue, my hometown for the first time in nearly three decades. keep it right there. n nearly the decades. keep it right there. let's be honest. quitting smoking is hard. like, quitting every monday hard. quitting feels so big. so try making it smaller,

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why are you so determined to vote? i see a lot happening in our country i'm not pleased with. i see even as being someone of color, you know, seeing the sacrifices that are made for us to be able to have the right to vote and to see that we're still

today in 2020 having challenges of getting people of coal already out of there. we got to get out and vote and exercise our rights to get things changed for the better for all of us. >> that was nbc's blayne alexander talking to voters and georgia say record voter turnout despite wait times up to 12 hours at some polling stations. despite technical problems, more than 128,000 georgians showed up to vote on monday, the first day of early voting topping 2016's record of 91,000 voters and in georgia senate races, both democratic senate candidates are leading with john ossoff shattering state fund raising records in the third quarter and rafael staking a double digit lead over the top two republicans in his race. joining me now together are those who democratic senate candidates, rafael and john, gentlemen, thank you so much for joining me. you must be feeling great with

the win at your back. maybe i'm foreshadowing something. >> i'll take it. good morning to you. >> reverend, i'll start with you. i find it interesting, you know, i grew up in georgia and seeing the enthusiasm around these voters who are spending 12 hours in line, of usually, due to a lot of voter suppression, it does strike me as different. i've long said that georgia could be a battle ground state. how much of this enthusiasm do you think is relevant to local politics versus what's happening on the national stage? >> well, as someone that grew up in georgia, let me say to you tiffany cross, welcome back to battle ground georgia. we're the tip of the spear for what's happening across south and you're seeing it live and in realtime. the voters of this state and i believe all across the united states understand how much.

i've been moving all across this state from southwest georgia down to southeast where i'm from in savannah and people are concerned about their health there. here is a state where we have over 500,000 people in the medicaid gap. we are running against opponents that think it's good idea to get rid of health care in the middle of a pandemic. congress is taking a vacation on trying to offer them some relief. they are facing eviction. these are things on the ballot. they are responding to. so we're grateful, we're seeing record voter turnout, as you point out, and yes, there is voter suppression. the good news the lines are long. the bad news, is that the lines are long. we're seeing voter suppression and voter passion at the same time and we're going to work hard to make sure that goodness wins. >> i want to turn to you mr.

ossoff because you ran in 2018. it was a race i watched closely buzz i grew up in marietta and part of the district where you were running. what do you think is different this time around? granted this time you're running for congress and the house and this time running for senate, what's the difference? why will you be victorious this time, do you think? >> good morning, tiffany and rev, great to see you. tiffany, thanks for representing georgia so well. as you know, georgia is becoming younger and more diverse literally by the hour. stacey abrams lost the governor's race in 2018 and to the roles here. and this is the closest, tightest battle ground state in the country. it's important everybody who is watching at home know that reverend and i are both on the ballot and the only state in the country. we have two senate races. we have the opportunity to send to the united states senate a young jewish man and a senior

pastor from ea baptist church a a pivotal moment. we need help and we need folks to get online and find out how to help us. >> so you bring up a really good point about the diversity in georgia. i want to play a clip of your opponents david purdue attempting purposely trying to mispronounce senator ka ma laa. >> whatever her name is had the opposite effect, #my name is with people talking about their names and how to pronounce them and reflects the diversity of the country and especially the diversity in georgia. talk to me about how important

the georgia electret is in terms of diversity. it's lost 10% of the white eligible voters and between 2010 and 2018, which could perhaps be why we're seeing georgia finally potentially become a purple state. >> david purdue is playing from an old playbook of stirring up old demons of hatred and bigotry and fear. he is a part of a group of politicians that we're seeing too often who are not very good at leading their specialty is dividing. and you see it right there in realtime. good news we're seeing a multi racial, multi generational coalition rising up, not just here in georgia but all across this country saying that we're better than this. we're america. and we don't always live up to that idea, but we keep

stretching trying to get there to live up anyone and that makes the country great. he's on the wrong side of history and we believe that democracy and decency and stability and openness and inclusion will win the day. >> let me ask you, do you think the election results could potentially be contested? will it be a well pronounced declarative victory or could there -- could the process go on for weeks? >> these races in georgia are going to be extremely tight. that's what we know. there is a reason that mitch mcconnell is literally spending more money to defeat me and reverend than any other democrats in america because these races are so tight here in georgia. reverend is exactly right. david purdue is trying to run a play from the early 1970s. this is the gop's playbook in

the south for decades, the southern strategy to divide people among racial and cultural lines so in our diversity, we cannot unite and grasp our shared economic interest, our shared health interest as georgians, as americans but the people of georgia are rejecting this fear and division, recognizing we need leader whose are competent and honest during a pandemic and recognizing we need leaders that put our health ahead of insurance industry profits and put direct relief for ordinary people in small businesses ahead of corporate donors in washington. that's why we have unstoppable momentum but we need help to overcome voter suppression. get online, look us up and help us. >> i should point out that you're running against reverend, you're running against someone that endorsed a qanon candidate. crazy. anyway, we are out of time. i could talk to you guys for longer but we're out of time. thank you so much. i would be paying close attention to this race as i have

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as my buddy john lewis said, it is a sacred opportunity to right the boat, we can make a difference if young black women and men vote, i can determine the outcome of this election. not a joke. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy." i'm tiffany cross. there is just 16 days until the presidential election and we are officially in the final stretch. joe biden and donald trump will make their final pitches to the american people over the next two weeks, both candidates will stump in bralgattleground state with joe biden in north carolina and donald trump in nevada. this is after one of donald trump's signature campaign rallies in michigan saturday featuring of course little to no social distancing or masks and an oldie but goody for those

folks, lock her up chants from the crowd goabout governor whitmer. >> you have to get your governor to open up your state and pd get your schools open. get your schools open. the schools have to be open. right? >> lock her up, lock her up, lock her up. >> lock 'em all up. >> it is a rerun. meanwhile, joe biden will unveil one of his most powerful assets, president obama will hit the campaign trail for his former vice president on wednesday in philadelphia marking the first time president obama will campaign for biden in person. the last presidential debate is set to take place on thursday. but even as the candidates make their final pitches, more than 24 million voters have already cast their ballots. joining me now is errin haines,

latasha brown, kristin clark, and edwin marlboro and kurt bordello. so glad to have you all with me. i can't believe we're 16 days away. i don't know if we're 16 days away from knowing who the president is, but we're definitely 16 days away from election night. i want to start with you, kristen. voter suppression is such a huge factor in this process. and i want to know what you think the i6mpact will be come november 3. >> thanks for having me. and if i can, can i just go ahead and declare the winner of this election? the american voter. the long lines that we have seen people endure across our country have truly been remarkable and have glon straight thep glon st resilience and patience and

endurance that so many voters have shown. waiting in lines that have stretched for a hours, waiting in inclement weather. and, you know, we're shattering turnout records in many states. but in some places, this is the result of voter suppression. there is the result of states not having the resources that they need to have enough early voting sites. this is the result of a u.s. postal service that was hijacked a few weeks ago under the new postmaster general. so voter suppression is the dark cloud looming heavy over this election. but i am amazingly impressed that voters are pressing through and persevering and really making clear that their voice will matter in the 2020 election. >> i want to go to you, erri nech n, obama is still the democrats biggest star. i would argue america's biggest star because a lot of

republicans still value and like obama. what role dunk he will pl what role do you think he will play, will he change minds or is this an effort for folks who may not have voted yet? >> i think it is a get out the vote effort. you saw president obama at john lewis' funeral for example urging people to vote, urging them to push back against the voter you suppression that we know that will be a factor just as kristen was mentioning. we are he seeing voter suppression and voter passion on full display. and we should call it out. when we see the long lines, yes absolutely there are voters who are determined to make sure that their voices are heard on election day, but at the same time, you know, this is voter you suppression and we should call that out for what it is. it is wrong that people should have to wait in lines that long when we knew in the primary season that preparations needed to be made for as many people to cast their ballots safely.

president obama has certainly talked a lot about that. and he and his wife i think could be a factor in this home stretch. michelle obama, you know, her memoir "becoming" gallon van i e galvanized so many people. men, women, black, white, old, young, just assuming somebody who has said that she is not really that political but has gotten into this election herself, urging people to turn out as women. and i thinks "becoming" vote could also be a factor for those who are fans of mrs. obama. >> and she is the beyonce to his jay-z. even when obama was running, she was the bigger name, that was who candidates wanted to stump for them. so even her videos, they go viral. people are obsessed with her. if she is watching, i'd love to have you on the show anytime.

anyway, latasha, the one thing that i want to punctuate about this voter suppression we're seeing, this is nothing new. this is something that people who live in black and brown communities have endured for a along time. what is new is the media is paying attention to it for the first time. and so tell us if you will, because you are on tour across the country with the black voters matter big tour bus. us you have seen on the trail when it comes to suppressing the vote. >> when i think about voter suppression, we were in texas, we're just leaving texas and i'm on the black voters bus for america and we've been on the ground for i think 18 days now. and so just the other day, on thursday, we were in texas. and what is interesting, texas has been breaking records in turnout, but one of the counties that we went into in galveston,

there are incompetent judges in office. and so republican judges, 40 of those races on the ballot were not on the ballot. so you are seeing people who already started voting and there is an incomplete ballot. when the. >> jules polonetsky: s were asked why are these people missing, the information that was given was that, you know, it was human error. and it was only 55 ballots. come to find out, that spanned across four counties. we would not have known that except that there were people on the ground and voter advocates who have been sharing the information and giving the information, so we are he seeing everything from the voting lines, you are seeing ballots that are missing particular races that are critical in the election. and we've been talk took folks, we were in a parking lot in houston, texas. and on the first day of early voting, they had a record

turnout, they never had that many people to vote early ever in history. a young woman walked up to us and said that she had registered. she even showed us where she had registered, she was so excited about voting in this election, but then when she checked her registration, she was not found. the problem is it is too late for her to register. so from the long lines, and it was interesting, i read that long lines say voter suppression is not happening. no, the long lines are indicative of voter suppression is happening. people are just being resilient. >> you are definitely out the theredoing the work, people always tweet me and say who is the guy who comes on and sings gospel songs. so people are definitely following your work and the fight that you are bringing for

some of the voter suppression on the ground. kurt, you are uniquely positioned to talk about some of the swing voters and definitely folks in the republican party who have just had enough of donald trump and they want to vote for joe biden. however, there are still down ballot races that we have to think about as well. what is the lincoln project's is position on folks who want to support joe biden but are still republicans? because if we get a joe biden white house and a republican senate, we'll still have gridlock in government. so dwwhat are you saying to peoe who are still politically homeless? >> we know what it feels like to be politically homeless because it wasn't that we left the republican party, it was that the republican party went somewhere that we simply could not follow in good conscience. and to a lot of dts affected vo affected voters out there, we believe they still want to

identify as republicans, still champ i don't know what we would call traditional conservative values who aregusted from donald trump and the whole party. there is a reason why we're up in iowa, why wire putting money into south carolina and alaska, maine, texas, ohio, because it is not just enough to defeat donald trump. the virus, the disease that is trumpism is beyond just him. it is infected and metastasized. the broad republican part it i structure. and it is not like just because donald trump loses in november that all of this will magically go away and get better and the lindsey grahams of the world and ted cruzs will find their consents again if they evshens ever had one. but they need to pay the price at the polls. the susan collin, joni ernst, the enablers. they need to be held accountable. and so we're asking all the

voters and the disaffected republicans, independents to join with us in holding these people accountable for what they have done to this country. >> and just a point on that. we left alabama yesterday. and just to open up for people to register, to be able to vote on line -- i mean vote in person for two days. what was interesting is they opened it only from 9:00 to 1:00, there were still 3400 people 400 people in line. so there is restricted access. so we need to hold those people accountable. >> the stories you tell from the road are fascinating. and so i want to bring evan into the conversation because i'm fascinated by your story. you founded a program that young people can serve as poll workers. and i want to bring up what the debate topics are.

in the next debate, the topics will focus on covid-19, the american families, race in america, climate change, national security, and leadership. one thing i noted about the last debate, there was not a single question directed to young people or young people of color. you are both. tell me what you would like to hear discussed on the debate stage. >> absolutely. thank you for that question. i think people in my generation and young people like me, specifically young people of color are looking for candidates and around the country that will treat us like the constituency we are. my democratic is the largest voting bloc are sinsince the ba boomers and we should be treated such. politicians treat older hit c y

constituencies to be served but the young peerm liople like to managed. student loan reforms, i'd like to hear that. infrastructure reform and other things that really affect us as young people who have been left aside by the government for years. my generation grew up in the '08 financial cry six and now we're coming out of college, coming out of college entering our careers into the covid-19 economic crisis. so i really want to see from our candidates some plans that actually put us on the forefront as a constituency to show that they know that we are the future of this country and that we are taxpayers as well. >> and kristen welker will be moderating that debate and i imagine that she will bring up some of those things. i want to go back to you, kristen, because as people -- a lot of people tweet me, i ask

them to tell me about their voting experiences. and the responses were ridiculous. a lot of people had a smooth process, but a lot of people had challenges. if voters are facing some of the things that latasha has designed, what c-- describe bed what can they do? >> we operate a nonpartisan voter protection program mch we're going 7 days a week to help voters figure out how they can get registered to vote, what are the early mail voting options available in their state. is early voting an option and where should they go. and we're encouraging people to make a plan now, don't wait until november 3, make a plan now. know what is up and down the ballot in your state. and we're hearing from thousands of people every day, the number is 866-our-vote, we encourage you to put that on your speed

dial, share it with your network. we're hearing from thousands of people. and even would issue that we heard about this week were people trying to register to vote in virginia. and the online rengistration system collapsed and we sued and got a 48 hour extension that would likely enable thousands to vote. so we want people to sound an am large if they see a break in the system. our goal is singular ensuring that every eligible american can have their voice heard in 2020, one of the most consequential elections of our lifetime. >> i follow your work, you know this, at the lawyers committee and you really are out there at every juncture. reports claim that donald trump wanted to come out in a super man outfit and you should be out there in a wonder woman outfit. errin, 16 days out, tell me your gut instinct.

november 3, will we know who the president is that night? >> oh, wow. tiffany, you know i'm out of the prediction business. i retired from that long time ago. i want to piggy buck on what kristen said though and remind people in pennsylvania that the voter registration deadline is tomorrow. so i encourage everybody to exercise their right. and we have a voter guide at 19th news.org that i would encourage people to use because we want people to feel empowered this election. voter suppression, voter in-tim dagts a days are real. but feeling like you have some control over your participation in this democracyreal. but feeling like you have some control over your participation in this democracy is key. and there are several topics that are left off of this debate stage in this final and very important conversation which we hope will be more substantive than than first debate. kind of akin to the hotown hall.

but the economy is not on the agenda. lgbtq issues are not on the agen agenda. poverty is not on the agenda. and election integrity as was discussed in the first debate is kn not on theed a squaen be tod aa skroeters are definitely concerned about. so we're trying to say keep calm and count the votes, that is where we are 16 days out, may not have an dumb decision on election night, but we know that counting the votes is the thing to stay focused on for as long as that takes. so the patience we've seen voters exercising up to this point, going to need that same energy on november 3 and possibly beyond. >> keep calm and count the votes. if you see me tweeting that, know i'm giving you credit in my heart. thank you guys for a great

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putin spoke about it, acted about it, thought about it. the u.s. intelligent committee would think about it as an enormous victor and that is what has happened with rudy giuliani. >> is this week tthis is week t "post" published a study filled with claims from rudy giuliani about emails found on a laptop in delaware that may or may not i don't think to hunter biden. and the washingt"washington pos reported that the u.s. intelligence committee warned the white house last year that giuliani might have been compromised and wittingly or unwittingly engaged in disinformation campaigns. giuliani position acknowledged in an interview with the daily he bea beast that there is a 50% chance that the russian claims were implanted by a russian agent. joining me now, gregory meeks who serves on the house foreign affairs committee and also michael mcfaul, international

affairs analyst. gentlemen, thank you so much. mr. ambassador, i have to start with you on this one because you have said this entire thing is so obviously a russian plot. it is to me and i'm not even ambassador to the russian federation. tell me why it is so off obviously a russian plot. >> well, we need to investigate, this is not based on any research. just my pin i don't know but the story has so many flaws in it. and mr. giuliani has repeatedly met with these ukranian people. our own intelligence committee has said is a russian intelligence agent. and i worked in the government for five years, read classified information working at the white house and as the ambassador, for the intelligence community to say that on the record blatantly that this guy is a russian

in-telling against ageinte intelligence agent takes a lot. they don't like to declassify information. >> it feels like a repeat from last cycle. it is the but her emails again. kind of ridiculous. but because you worked in the obama administration for five years, what do you think the russians are hoping to gain here? >> well, i think what you just said is really important. it is exactly like 2016. because what the russians did, what the russian intelligence military intelligence did, gru officers, they stop property, they published it, and the content wasn't really even that important, right? nobody remembers what was in john bow tes podesta email asid recipe. it was the story of the

corruption that mattered. and this is biden corruption are ukraine without any details of what the content is. so it is exactly the same. and what i think vladimir putin wants is he wants polarization, he wants delegitization, he wants us not to hold a free and fair election that the majority of americans will recognize and this is part of achieving that ultimate objective. >> congressman, i want to turn to you because in your capacity as a member of the foreign affairs committee, what do you think the russians are trying to get out of stoking these disinformation campaigns? >> clearly they want to endanger our democracy. and that is what is at stake here. the democracy of the united states of america. and people's integrity and trustworthiness into our elections. and they want to stoke at that. but i tell you, what is also troubling to me is it seems as though the president of the

united states is in lockstep with mr. putin. he wants the same thing. he had this information, he completely ignored it because it did not fit his story line and just as he asked the russians to look allegedly for something with hillary clinton's emails last time, he has sent giuliani other than there and asking the russians to give him some information. so it is very troubling to me. and i think that is what i see and that is what is at stake in this election is our very democracy. so you have putin trying to affect the integrity of the election and the president of the united states, and his henchman, rudy giuliani, cooperating in that. >> i want to stick on the giuliani thing because the fact that giuliani is bringing in these things,ing one of the challenges i had early on when people started to write these pieces or media elites like what

happened to giuliani, what happened to america's mayor, nothing happened to giuliani. he has always been this person. so if you could, let's revisit rudy giuliani from 1992 because as we see, this blatant racism play out in the country, it is not thatmimicking trump, trump is mimicking jg. he stoked this hateful rhetoric and anybody be in the black be and brown community in new york can tell you what happened to america's mayor. he is just being giuliani. tell us what you remember about giuliani being somebody in the community. >> the first thing that i had to do, i had just got laenktselect 1998 and giuliani was coming for the house overstit committsight committee, trying to brag about racial profiling. and i chose to sit on that committee and challenged giuliani. giuliani did not 3450e9 with one

blac meet with one black -- well, maybe would be in that whole time. giuliani basically held a police riot in front of city hall when he was running for mayor and everything that he did was exactly what this president is doing, stoke racism and dividing the city of new york. and what people forget about at the time that he was 4r50e6 ilee was not the people's mayor. they were running him out of town. 9/11 in the spirit of trying to come together as americans because of 9/11, that is the only reason that he was able to lead with any kind of decency. but he was a person that divided the city of new york like it had never been divided before. he was divisive and full of language that would divide and separate the city of new york. and donald trump is playing the same role and that is why they are two peas in a pod.

>> and when the late great charles rangel said the same thing -- >> not the late great, he is still here. >> oh, please forgive me, the retired congressman charlie rangel. i don't mean deceased, i mean no longer in congress. i will text his team later. glat chai charlie rangel, he tried to meet with giuliani and giuliani said black community need to stop their mouths. and as you were ambassador to russia, what was russia's greatest threat that they posed then and what do you think it is now? >> well, they pose lots of threats. annexation of ukraine is

something we didn't have in the cold war. but what congressman meeks said is important. they are trying to do their disinformation tactics and in the old days, the government, republicans or dmg democrat, wo try to thwart it. we were all ing about this blaur moment is that the president just 14rugs his shoulders and said if they are offering the material, i want to take a look at it. in other words, he is undermining american national security with one of our greatest adversaries. that is what is so frightening about this moment. and by the way doing it almost at odds with his entire administration. most people in the trump administration see this exactly like we're talking about it except for one person, the president of the united states. and that is very, very dangerous. >> this is all very dangerous and i don't think that we can overstate that to the american people. so thank you both for having this conversation with me.

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and that is the whole misinformation social media/media infrastructure, the conservative media infrastructure. we've had this conversation before. that is a problem that is going to outlast trump. trump is a symptom of it and an accelerant to it. but he did not create it. >> if your social media time lines look anything like mine, you probably see a lot of different opinions on the election or the value of your

vote. studies in social media show over 70% of american adults use it and look, while all that digital democracy can be use, it is important not to forget how dangerous mis finformation internet radicalization and bad actors can be to what you see in your feeds especially in the last 16 days before election day. joining me now is tech investigative reporter april glazer. april, i'm happy to have you back with me to talk about this, your work is so important. i first learned of it when you were at harvard and i followed your work since then. tell us what you think at this point is the most dangerous thing that you are seeing on social media as it relates to our democratic process. >> we're seeing all kinds of misinformation about, you know, the reliability of mail-in voting, we're seeing information about like polling places that

can be misleading. but we're also seeing that is really targeting people right now is dissituation tactics, guessing on instagram live or sharing memes that are going viral kind of asking voters, the system is so broken, why would you even vote. and this is really appealing to a lot of progressives. people that typically would maybe vote for biden but can have themselves further left than biden or would like to see more progressive policies than the ones he is proposing are finding this enthusiasm gap and we're seeing social media influencers kind of stoke this apth pa app pa apmath a apathy. >> and a let's of people in my feed will say as a black person, you don't speak to me, or a black woman, i feel this way.

and so i see how do you really though? what is the point of that, like why is there such a target on black voters when it comes to social media? >> we've seen actually black identity being used this misinformation campaigns for a really long time, particularly in 2016. it was one of the main kind of targeted groups and kind of themes that were targeted from the internet research agency which is the russian disinformation agents that stoked so much of chaos around 2016 and 2018 and really confused voters and really set out to widen political divides. but this election again we're seeing black identity being used to show at this time that there is like a stronger push for black conservatives and black republican support than there is. of course there are all kinds of

people who are black and conservative, there is nothing wrong with that, there is nothing new about that, but for instance if you were to go on instagram right now and look at the #blacks for trump, you will see over 140,000 posts around that. blacks for biden, you will see less than 1,000. and we know that there is so much more support in black communities across the united states for biden when we looking at the polls. so there is clearly some kind of campaign there or at least something that is deciding to inflate these numbers. and yes, on twitter, we've seen kind of fake twitter accounts created using for example the photo of a diseased veteran, using stockismage ismages retepo be black people saying we're for trump. and it is unclear if this is actually targeting black people, it actually seems to be targeting white people to show

there is a more diverse than there actually is. because as a black woman, you are like this is not real, i would never say this. doesn't feel authentic. but what it seems more geared towards is showing white voters that the republican base is perhaps more diverse than it actually is. >> or giving them permission to vote for somebody who promotes white supremacy. maybe they will feel less bad if there are other black people who support trump, so how could they be racist if they vote for him. it is a lie, folks. one thing that i think is also dangerous that the confluence of this election and the global pandemic is the misinformation online about covid-19. i talked to so many people who tell me they get their news from social media and that is so dangerous. a study found that where people get their news determines how much falsehoods they believe about covid-19. you see the anti-mask movements drumming up online. what have you found as you navigate the space? >> a lot of people do get their

information from social media. and it is complicateded because particularly when it comes to medical misinformation, when you get information from misinformation, you are getting it from somebody who shared it that you already know and trust. so you might be tempted to believe it. [ inaudible ] >> april, we lost april. that is okay. it was a great conversation. april provided us some great context and information. but the one thing that ilg leave you with since we had technical difficulties, just please people rememb remember, share responsibly. you don't want to be an unwitting co-conspirator in some of the disinformation campaigns. so be careful about the hashtags that you hop on to and certainly about some of the things that may land in your feed. thank you, april. so sorry that we lost you, but you provided great context and information. up next, the supreme court case that could reshape congress. ca that could reshape congress.

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who counts in america? that is the question the supreme court will take up in november. as the trump administration prepares to argue that undocumented immigrants should be excluded from the 2020 census count for the purposes of congressional apportionment. the survey taken every ten years determines houm congrew many congressional seats are appropriated to each state along with billions of dollars in federal and state funding. excluding undocumented immigrants from the count would ultimately reduce the number of house seats for states with large immigrant populations. joining me now to talk about this and more is former presidential and former secretary of housing and urban development julian castro. so happen to have you with us.

what set the alarm up for me is when they moved up the deadline date which sent it in to whiplash. what do you think was the reasoning behind the white house doing that? >> it is good to be with you, tiffany. it has been so clear for years now that the trump administration is trying to undermine the census because somehow donald trump believes that undercounting the number of people in this country is going to help him politically. and the republicans politically. and now we're at this point where a enis success census han and to see them cutting it short is aer take terrible sign that not only would they get an inaccurate count, but you would hurt states like my home state of texas, you will eviscerate states like florida, states like

sgr georgia, states like oz assist . so if donald trump thinks that this is a good thing or help him politically, actually it won't because he will have a whole bufrng bunch muof mayors an state legislators that will be angry, they will see the consequences when their funding for transportation dollars, housing dollars, education dollars get cut because we don't have a full count. >> let's go through some of the things that the administration has done. is the census has been plagued by really a perfect storm of bad situations. one starting with the call by the president to add a citizenship question. the supreme court struck that tune in 2019. but even posing that as an option may have had an img

pablgts on t impact on the responses. the trump administration then asked the census bureau to use administrative data to determine citizenship of every american. and then the white house installed several hand-picked appointees at the census bureau which made people uncomfortable because then it became a political process instead of just the process of counting the people who live in this country. one thing that we have not talked about, withhat impact tcs will have on housing while be g plagued with all these specific issues. >> it is a great question because right now we have millions of people wouho are on the brink of the eviction based on the pandemic. and the most popular program on capitol hill for local elected officials, republicans and democrats, it often gets bipartisan support, are community development block grants. in part, they are dwun by a formula, formula funding therks

are done in part by how many people are in your locality. that is part and parcel of the formula. so if you take away a whole bunch of people that were not counted, you will start short changing mayors and people of a lot of smaller communities, including in a lot of red states. that is just one example. you can -- same thing when you go to other housing programs. transportation programs, education programs. and this is particularly important as well because over the last several years, we've seen homelessness start to increase in a number of places in this country. homeless individuals are often difficult to count in the first place. and unyou dder these circumstan where the effort has been undermined, i'm worried that the number of dollars that need to fle flow to communities won't be there because the numbers are

skewed, they are insufficient, and donald trump is creating this problem. >> yeah, you know, and i think that is not something that people always focus on when they think about the send susz acens housing is a huge issue. and when you talk about poor people and about poor people, those people are overly comprised of people of color. people of color are routinely undercounted in the census, which of course will impact how really trillions, $1.5 trillion will be apportioned to these communities. why is it that people of color are undercounted in the census? i surmise that for some people they just don't trust government so they don't participate. but is there something else nefarious happening? >> well, i think traditionally probably there was not as much effort made investment in resources. and that's especially true in this administration. but you said it a second ago. look, the common denominator here, the move that this administration often makes is that it says things and does

things that even if they know ultimately they're going to get stopped in a court of law, it's meant to chill participation. so starting a couple years ago, for instance, the trump administration sent out signals that perhaps the census information could be used for other purposes other than just counting the number of people in this country. what they were trying to do was people in mixed status households that may have somebody who's undocumented thinking, hey, look, we're not going to participate in the census because we don't know what they're going to do with that information even though the law clearly says that this information shall not be used for any other purpose than counting in the census. so, it's been devious, and it's been intentional, and there's a long history in this administration of setting this up to chill the participation in different ways. and the upshot of this is that we need to get on a different track come january. we need to make sure that this

effort can be salvaged that every single person including undocumented individuals is counted and that communities are funded in the right way because of it. >> so, let me ask you, because when the supreme court hears oral arguments on whether or not to count undocumented immigrants, it will be november 30th. at this point we have no idea what will be happening in the country, but it looks like perhaps amy coney barrett will be on the supreme court. should confirmation hearings in the vote go the way that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell wants to? what impact will she have on the ruling given that at that point you will have a six-person conservative court? >> look, we know what mitch mcconnell and donald trump are trying to do here. they're trying to pack this court with their nominee just days before the election, and then on november 10th if she's

appointed, will hear a challenge by conservative attorneys general including the one in texas in my home state, to challenge the constitution of the affordable care act. look, you know, i would just tell people out there this is another very powerful example of why we need to show up at the ballot box to go vote, because they have the votes now, and donald trump was clear in that first debate how he sees it, that he has the united states senate, he has the presidency, he's going to make this appointment. because of that millions of people stand to lose their health care and millions of people are going to be undercounted in this census and we need to push back as hard as we can at the ballot box. >> so, i want to shift gears a little bit because, as i've often told you, you've run one of the wokest campaigns during the primary. and you had a great talented

team around you. we're coming up on another debate. should this debate happen, what's something that you'd like to see brought up in the debate, and what advice would you give donald trump when he squares off against -- i'm sorry, what advice would you give joe biden -- i'm sure you have a lot of advice for trump -- what advice would you give to joe biden as he squares off against president trump? >> joe biden did a great job in the first debate. what do you do with somebody who is determined like somebody like donald trump was in that first debate to be rude, to interrupt all the time. joe biden kept his composure. he was very dignified. he showed us what leadership looks like, what a president looks like and sounds like, just be himself. i saw very up front and close during these primary debates that he handles these situations well hopefully in terms of subject matters, what people are concerned about. people want to know how are we

going to put people back to work, get past this pandemic, get small businesses up and going. i'd like to see them address the issue of immigration. because this is somewhere that donald trump has exercised a lot of cruelty, and we need to go in a different direction. there are a number of things, and i have every confidence that joe biden is going to show us again how he's the superior candidate to donald trump. >> well, i will definitely be tuned in, and i'll be watching your twitter feed to see your reaction to the debate. and thank you so much, mr. secretary, julian castro, for joining me today. and that's our show for today. i think we should have a three-hour show, but i don't get to make that decision. before we go, on behalf of the entire on, a.m. joy team, i want to say hello to rebecca. we will miss you, rebecca, and we wish you all the best in your next endeavor. thank you for the beautiful

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