severity of the coronavirus pandemic. >> prolonged the pandemic. that's all i hear about. covid, covid, covid. a plane goes down. 500 people dead. they don't talk about it. covid, covid. covid. by the way, on november 4th, you won't hear about it anymore. joe biden is on his way to pennsylvania. it's his second stop of the day in the key battleground state. earlier today he spoke at a drive in rally saying trump is failing at being a president for all americans. >> think of what he's saying about what's going on in america. he's saying if you live in pennsylvania, you're not his problem. you live in a red state, alabama, he may think about you. he's not responsible for your family's well being if you're in a blue state. folk, i don't see the president that way. i don't see it that way. i don't see america that way.

i'm running as a proud democrat, but i will govern as an american president for everybody. >> later this hour, we will see former president barack obama taking the stage in miami florida where he is campaigning for his former vp. we'll have more on that in a moment. first, we have reporters ready across the country for you following each candidate from point to point. we'll start in dallas, pennsylvania. along side jon bon jovi. tell us about the event. >> reporter: joe biden may be trying to hold onto what he's got here when he pyres wiappear bon jovi. he was talking about the pandemic. where we heard trump trying to down play it, joe biden has pulled no punches about how severe this crisis could become

in the coming weeks as we head more deeply into the winter time. long has been his pitch about how to be the person to get this pandemic under the control. biden hopes to get the economy ramped up and revving again. that was part of his pitch in pennsylvania. he knows as so many of us do this is one of the key battleground state ons the map and he wasn't afraid to tell voters about it. listen to what he said. >> as my coach at delaware say it's go time. it's game day. we have ten days left. it may come down to pennsylvania. i believe in you. i believe in my state. the choice has never been clearer and the stakes have never by higher. >> reporter: the stops that joe biden is making here today they are the battleground counties in a battleground state.

biden is heading into place that was once obama country but turned to trump country in 2016. we know these voters are inundated with ads pretty constantly. we know that spending has been high. joe biden spending has been record breaking high. more than $583 million. that's the most money spepts for radio, tv and digital ads ever. alex. >> good point. thank you so much from there. let's go to north miami. that's where former president obama will be speaking soon. people were lining up for quite some time. what are you seeing now? >> reporter: you can hear some people already starting to speak. this is going to be president own's first time campaigning on behalf of his former vice president joe biden in the state

of florida. over there is the stage where we expect to see the former president in about an hour. you can see the crowd here. they are excited. this is a drive in rally. one we have seen on so many times in the campaign cycle. if do you look a little more this way, i want to show you, you see all those people who have gotten out through the sunroof in their cars sitting on top of their cars hoping to hear from the former president. i have covered many rallies, this is first time i've been to a drive in rally. seeing this in person, it's surreal. a constant reminder of the times that we are living with. people have been here since 8:00 a.m. trying to get in. some people who weren't on the guest list parked a little further away hoping they could still hear of some of it. i want to introduce you to one person we met. he's ten years old. he came here with his mother. he has autism. he wanted to be here today to

support former vice president joe biden and hear from president obama. he also had a message for people who were adults who haven't figured out whether or not they will vote. listen here. >> what got me involved is how donald trump treats people with special needs especially that i have special needs, it gets me so upset that he is bully people who are special needs this. >> this is not just about right now. this is about our future. >> reporter: this is a very important time for president obama to be coming to the state for joe biden. early voting started in florida this week. this is the first weekend of early voting and democrats are hoping that president obama support here will really energize democrats and make sure they don't just show up and vote but show up in droves and they vote as early as possible. >> that was a very intelligent young man at ten years old

regardless of whether he has autism. thank you for bringing him to us. president trump on a three-state tour today. speaking in north carolina, later he'll have stops which include wisconsin and ohio. josh letterman is joining me from ohio. . that's the next stop. what's the main take away so far? >> reporter: busy day on the campaign trail for president trump who was in the hospital not that many weeks ago with covid-19. the president started his day in florida. he went and cast his vote in person early in his adopted hometown of west palm beach. we expected the president was going to vote by absentee ballot but he ended up going today voting in person early. off to north carolina where he's just wrapping up. it's an vent that was built not exactly as a rally but more of a campaign stop focused on native american issues but the president used much of that

experien appearance to talk about coronavirus to mock joe biden o talking about coronavirus. the president predicted on november 4th, we won't hear about covid-19. you can hear the noise around me where the president will be coming next. they have been playing the football game up on the jumbo trons. the crowd is entertaining themselves by taking a bit of football. it's the nebraska/ohio state game. the president in his remarks has been trying to speak to these lower class and rule working class, middle trying to cast himself as the outsider and joe bind as the candidate of the elite. >> i fight for middle class and biden and his cronies serve only one class. they serve the donor class, believer it or not. in all fairness to donor class,

i would be the greatest in history. all i have to do is call them. send 10 million. every one would send 10 million but once you do that, you can't deal with them anymore. you can no longer do what's right for you. >> reporter: ohio a critical prize for both candidates in this race with its 19 electoral votes. it's a state that's tended to go republican in the presidential race but joe biden putting up a tough fight here. it does look in the recent polls like it's within the margin of error here. if donald trump were to lose ohio, which he won by more than 8 points last time, he would have to make up ground in a whole lot of other states to still be able to carry the white house. >> big ten football just went sile silent. i think the crowd will be more subdued a bit. thank you for the update. with me now, senior political correspondent at the hill.

as we get to some new reporting from politico, it's about how the president's top advisers have plunged into this bitter round of finger pointing and blame shifting. it's stressful in the final stretches of the came pain. is this common or is there more to it regarding the trump campaign in. >> i think it's common in campaigns when they feel like they are losing. you see these reports starting to leak out about whose fault is it. whose problem is it that the poll numbers are down. it's like the 2016 campaign on steroi steroids. we saw it back then four years ago as it looked like hillary clinton was going to win. the trump campaign members pointing the fingers at each other trying to figure out who will take the heat from then candidate trump once he loses. who will be the scapegoat. now we're starting the see it with a lot of people up for grabs as far as blame goes.

former campaign manager has been blamed for over spending. he took a billion dollars worth of campaign funding and blew through it despite calling the campaign the death star that he was building. there's been blame placed on mark mad deadows for how he han the president having coronavirus and undermining the end days of the campaign with the messaging. trump has to same some of the blame himself. he won't. so much of the strategy has come from the top in this campaign. the president can never be wrong so someone has to take the heat. >> same question to you amy. trump and his aides say they feel confident. is that a reflection of that or do you think it projects panic? >> they are saying they are confident publicly but i don't think they feel that internally. i have spoken to lots of strategists and people around

the campaign. a couple of people inside the campaign. i think publicly they are trying to put on a brave face. i think privately, they know this is in panic mode. this is a president who is on the move today. it's traveling the three states that needs desperately to win. the former vice president is in one state. he's running out the clock. he's been doing that for the last couple of weeks because they know they are ahead. post debate poll numbers says that more people say they trust biden on five of seven issues that were covered in the debate. foreign policy and crime safety a draw between biden and trump. what's the take away from this particularly given joe biden's long time tenure as the head of

the senate foreign relations committee. >> i think he's tried to make this debate about the election right now. there's certain things important to suburban women. he's trying to do what it takes to sort of check the boxes on those other categories and solidify the vote there. i think polls show people trust him more when it comes to the coronavirus and even when trump was leading on the economy, i think biden has made it there. i think he sort of needs to solidify those other things. those other categories that people are also looking at. >> what are the campaigns looking at this, what kind of things will they draw from these numbers? >> what they're going to draw is if you're the bide camp, you'll stay on message which is

something that -- point out beautifully the other night. biden has run an extremely boring on message campaign this entire time. hammering home the president's character, hammering home his own character and talking about mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic. they will not change course ten days out from the election. the president will swing -- throw as many hay makers as possible as he is going down. he will try to hit out biden any way possible. we saw at the debate where he didn't want focus on anything being talked about. he wanted to talk about the things percolating up through right wing media. the trump campaign has never been able to keep their candidate on message. if he had been hammering home this idea of i'm the one on the outside still. joe biden is the one all about elitistics. he's been doing this for decades and got nothing done. if he stayed on message this entire time, this might be a different campaign. since he literally incapable of

that, here we are. >> that wouldn't have flown with a lot of people. he's no longer an outsider. that said, amy, you have some thoughts on biden's messaging, strategy. why does the campaign think is this a winning argument. >> it's something the clinton campaign didn't do. they felt the push to go negative. talking about the unity message and saying he will be the president for every one. not just people in red states or blue states. i think this is a message that's working for them. i think you will keep hearing this two pronged approach kind of hammering home the

coronavirus and why we're in the situation we're in. why is more than 220,000 people have died at this point but also he wants the kind of telegraph that he is almost the campaigner in chief and the healer in chief. you think that's what the nation needs now. >> what about the polls? they are on biden's side for the most part. what does he need to do to run you have the margins? >> he needs to keep going do the battleground states and running up the margins. he's up eight in michigan. he is polling ahead. he's got to make sure that people are early voting. if you're not early voting, there has to be a turn out vote. he's got to make sure that the messaging is out there.

he needs to start laying ta ground work heavily in the last few days. the president has been pushing and pushing on this idea that it will be weeks and months before we know. >> sometimes when you just can't really get your head around what's coming your way, i just say, let it all play out. i guess it's what we'll have to do. thank you so much. in a moment, the lucky seven for joe biden and key polls to watch in the home stretch of the campaign. s to watch in the home stretch of the campaign we can't always keep our distance.

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51 million people have voted in this election already. msnbc richard is at the big board. he'll break down where we are in the key swing states. this should be good. take it away.

>> this morning it was 50 million. it's growing each and every hour. wii ten days out. i want to concentrate on these three states. pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin. we got a lot of close races as you know across the country. the reason why i want to look at these three states is because in 2016, you remember we're watching the results four yearsing a. we were seeing these three statements go r. in the end it did end up going for trump. these averages tend to weed out some of the ups and downs we see in day-to-day polls. for instance, the polls we got today. you can probably your math pretty quickly. i'm calling this the lucky 7s. joe biden is up 7 in pennsylvania. 7 in michigan and 7 in wisconsin. question is, will it remain lucky for joe biden. one of numbers that you want to watch, which you're intimating a moment ago is the early vote. we take a look at the early

vote, the numbers still look really big. 1.3 million in pennsylvania. 1.9 in michigan and 1.1 million in wisconsin. one of the things we like to talk about around the coffee table is how many people vote overall. is this like 50%, 60%. compared to 2016 total vote numbers, 1.3 million for pennsylvania represents a quarter of the vote but michigan and wisconsin, much different. it's one-third. we're seeing a larger number here and all of these greater than the average. the average about 200% of early voters. these are all much larger than that. i'll give you the actual numbers. hold onto your hat on this one, alex. pennsylvania, up 1,000% compared to last year. that's not an extra zero. when you look at michigan it's up 230% and wisconsin 270%.

way, way up when we're looking at the numbers compared to last election, four years ago. about 80,000 votes was just the different four years ago. >> then you have many swing state polls. they got it wrong in 2016. if they are as wrong this year as they were four years ago, how does that play out? >> we're looking at these numbers, they look good for joe biden but look at the ere rrors polls. we'll stay on the three states that really swung it for donald trump. pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin. they were off by five percentage points underestimated for trump. whatever number it, he got five more. in michigan, whatever the polls said, he got four more. wisconsin, he got seven percentage points. if we put that adjustment into our polls. the lucky seven, this comes out to only two up for joe biden. only three up for michigan.

these are today's numbers and wisconsin dead even right now. they say this year the polls are much closer than they were four years ago. >> be sure to watch steve k kornacki on election special. there are two things immaterial to hear from my next guest. does he believe election night will be a red barrage. secondly, he pinned john bolton down on a question about the iraq war that fascinated millions online. who is he and what he asked? that's next. he asked? that's next.

ten days before what amounts to be the full-time day inal da. obama will be speaking perhaps within this hour if things are going according to time. we're also giving you a live look at circleville, ohio. that's where the president is heading for the second of his three rallies today. we heard the candidates talk about immigration. their exchange over the trump administration separate policy stirred up emotion and sowed confusion. we have covered this extensively and fact checked some of the president's claim about that controversial program. >> reporter: in a week where lawyers say they have been unable to find parents of 545 children separated. the president on the spot for splitting those families. >> how will these families ever

be reunited? >> children are brought here by coyotes and lots of bad people, cartels and brought here and they used to use them to get into our country. >> reporter: president trump answering untruthfully about a policy described by physicians for human rights and torture as government sanctioned child abuse. the zero tolerance prosecution policy and an earlier pilot program resulted in the separation of thousands of children from their parents. not coyotes or smugglers and cartels. families still separated, including an 8-year-old boy living in california, his father in honduras. >> you have a birthday coming up? >> yeah. >> how old are you going to be? >> nine. >> what do you think you'll get or what do you want to get in. >> my dad. >> reporter: the president attempting to deflect blame to the obama administration for a policy that elicited outrage in 2018. >> we changed the policy. sdplp your response to that.

>> we did not separate. >> reporter: on the cages, president trump was correct. they were built by the obama administration in response to an influx of unaccompanied minors but the separation policy was uniquely trump's as we reported at the time. what's different than beginning on in this building during the obama administration is the systematic separation of children from their families under this zero tolerance policy. vice president biden attempted to keep the focus on the separated families. >> their kids were ripped from their arms and now they cannot find over 500 sets of those parents and those kids are alone. >> whether that trump a administration was criminal would be up for the justice department. in a biden administration, that is still an open question. joining me now is an msnbc political analyst and host of of a show on peacock.

he's had an array of fascinating a list guests. we're glad to have you here. first to that report we just played there. what did we learn in. >> i think we learned the president has had two years to come up to a defense explanation, regret policy for what went on in 2018 with the separations at the border, with the thefts, he can't be bothered. we would rather blame obama and biden. jacob pointed out that is untruthful. it was not an obama policy to separate children from their parents. what experts called torture and child abuse. it's a big story prior to covid-19. this was the single biggest domestic human rights cscandal f the trump era. we know 545 children still do not have thaer parents.

trump just straight up lied about that. he doesn't pretend to care. others might pretend to be doing something. he didn't have any compassion as ever at the debate earlier this week. >> these hundreds of kids, what do we know about their ability to be reunited? do we know how that will happen, if it will in. >> under this president it's not going to happen. he was just flailing. saying we'll make sure it happens. they have deported a lot of the parents. he won't accept what the problem is. he claims they were braugought my smugglersmugglers. they were not unaccompanied. they were ripped from their parents arm as a deterrent policy. i don't see any prospects being reunited. not under this president. >> beyond that key moment in the debate, how did you assess what we saw whether it moved the

needle in either direction? >> great question. the ratings were down. we're in final stretch. most people have made up their minds. in 2016 you still had bunch of undecided. you had the comey letter. they broke 2 to 1. i don't see anything like that happening again. most people have made up their minds. what are your thoughts joe biden hasn't been out on the campaign trial as much as donald trump. does it even matter at this point? >> i mean if you just look at the lines of people voting in georgia, in texas, most of them democratics and early voting line, you could argue it doesn't matter. the turn out has been very strong on the democratic side in

early voting. i think you mentioned people lining up. democrats are happy. they are not happy about the long lines but laep to wait in them. you have seen people bringing lawn chairs and snacks. it's disgrace they have to wait that long in an advanced democracy like the united states but they are going to wait and vote. we have a few days to go. they have thrown the kitchen sink. they are tried to do this whole fracking thing now. he still has a 7-point lead in pennsylvania. honestly, i know people don't want to say this but it comes down to whether this will be a free and fair election. looking at the polling, doints see how the republicans can win unless there is -- i don't know what will happen on the day

whether he will claim victory on the night and say let's not count any ballots that come in later. he's got form on this. he did this in 2018 in the midter midterms. i think we're looking at chaos unless biden wins big which is also a possibility. >> we heard joe biden say quite specifically, it could not have been more clear. i'm not banning fracking. not in pennsylvania. he was really clear on that. are there anymore stay at home don't vote expected are they going to show up the polls and support joe biden? >> it's great question. i think in this election you're seeing prominent leftists. you're seeing people around the country saying, we have to get this guy out. i give which example of cornell west. prom innocent public intellectual. he voted jill steen. he said i cannot vote for hillary. this time he is voting biden.

he believes there's a fasists threat many the white house. everything else can be dealt with after trump. i don't think you'll see any protest vote. there isn't a jill stien to take third party voters away. people have much more made up their mind this time around. 2016 trump was more of an unknown quantity. he wants to pretend to be the challenger but he's the incumbent. he has the record of kids in kajs and cages and record number of covid cases. he has no regrets and no plans. i think covid will be the number one issue in this election. >> you can't predict what will happen on election niepgt. the red mirage has become a big buzz for election night. do you think trump may have appeared to have swept the election before the votes counted. >> has he had an impact on

voting now? i don't know. democrats are ignoring the lines. there was this danger just talking about voter suppression, would keep people at home. that doesn't seem to have happened. not so far. look at the record numbers coming of people who have voted early or by mail. on the election night, yes, he's going to make this declaration and i think media organizations like msnbc, like nbc news and peacock have to come together and say that's not how an election works. election works when ever vote is counted. i think we saw that in 2018. martha mcsally claimed she had a 14,000 lead. six days later when the mail in ballots were counted, she had to concede. that's the reality. we know people in democratic urban areas will be doing more mail in than the people in rural areas. we know that. what's interesting is joe biden is come pet titive in florida. if those go his way on election day, we don't need to worry

about waves or mirairagemirages be done on election night. >> you interviewed john bolton. you pinned him down on the iraq war. it was fascinating. what did you ask him and what did he tell you? >> he came on the show. i was happy to have him. i wanted to talk about his record on iraq. donald trump has a history of attacking anyone wo worked for him and lying about them. when he attacks john bolton and he has he's a warmonger. he's kind of right. those are questions he's never been asked before. the iraq war happened 17 years ago and it required in 2020 for me to say do all those hundreds of thousands of deaths not weigh on their conscious. it's genuine question that i have for people involved in that horrible, illegal conflict. >> it's interesting because i'm sure you know these days people

across all political spectrums seem to view president bush more favorably. when recall when nancy pelosi referred to bush instead of trump. she said, if only. is it important to remind folks about the iraq war these days? >> two things. number one, i get the thing about george bush. he had in issues but he didn't behave in public like donald trump. he didn't question the integrity of elections, inciting violence against reporters but he did do horrific things. crime. the iraq war was a crime. many people died and no one was held accountable. barack obama said we're not going to hold people to account for torture. we're fot going to hold people to account for iraq. i think those things led to the trump movement. when biden comes to office, i do want to see prosecutions, investigations of what went wrong. we can't always look forward and

not prosecute and not hold to account crimes that have happened. it creates the ground for people who are probably worse than trump going forward. i do believe in accountability at all times. we can play our role in that at all times. >> i have loved this conversation. i know you are busy but please come see me again. >> definitely. >> they can watch streaming on peaco peacock's new exclusive news channel, the choice weeknights at 7:00 eastern. thank you so much. >> thank you so much. it's a war of words on capitol hill. the senate gathers to debate amy coney bar receipt's faith. amy coney bar receipt's faith. of th? next time try bounce wrinkle guard dryer sheets. the world's first mega sheet with 3x more wrinkle relaxers. look at the difference of these two shirts... the wrinkle guard shirt has less wrinkles and static, and more softness and freshness. to tame wrinkles on the go use bounce 3in1 rapid touch up spray.

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breaking news. as we report about a heated back and forth exchange on the senate floor this afternoon as judge amy coney barrett supreme nomination is moving closer to a file senate vote. what is making the proceedings so contentious? >> reporter: the stakes are high if judge amy coney barrett becomes justice. it would be a 6-3 conservative supreme court. here are the issues that democrats are highlighting. they appointed the affordable care act. the case headed to the supreme court one week after election day. many more with pre-existing conditions are at stake. the future of roe versus wade

already tenuous could hang in the balance. that ruling could be overturned or crippled if barrett becomes supreme court justice. there's the issue of voting rights. supreme court deadlocked 4-4 on some issues but sided mostly with republicans on restrictive measures when it comes to curb side voting and mail in ballots. fo for republicans this is an opportunity to cement not only those gains but expand existing margins on conservative issues like gun rights and campaign finance. the role of religion and public life. with that backdrop, you can see why things are so contentious with the election coming up in two weeks. let's play sound from the republican leader mitch mcconnell and shuchuck schumer. >> it does not depend on

feelings it provokes and politicians. legitimacy comes from precedence, rules and ultimately the constitution. >> the contradiction is glaring. the contradiction will be a susta stain on the leaders forehead and the entire republican caucus if it continues. >> reporter: there you can see how tense things have gotten. here is the schedule as we see it. today is what they call the intervening today between when it was filed on this nomination. tomorrow lit be a procedural vote to move forward. republicans at this point in time have 51 votes. just two of their members have said they will vote against it. 51 are in favor of it. democrats say they want to derail this nomination have a very limited window of time to convince two republicans, additionally to vote no. a final vote if that vote succeeds tomorrow is expected

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yifs poll watchers and in florida, two armed trump supporters were seen outside a polling station in st. petersburg this week a trump spokesperson says they were not hired by the campaign. joining me now is a former fbi director for counter-intelligence, nbc national security analyst and the author of the book "the fbi way, inside the bureau's code of excellence," frank, how big of a concern is this for you? what can law enforcement do to thwart any potential voter intimidation? >> so i can tell you this, alex, that at levels, local, county, state and federal, law enforcement is now partnering together in task force, some very quietly, some not so quietly, to counter what is turning into a possible forecast that leads to a perfect storm. when you combine the threat of the domestic groups showing up, as you said, a couple of armed off-duty security officers, in florida, in philadelphia, there are reports that people

associated with the trump campaign, republican party are video taping people, as they put theirballs in ballots into drop boxes. we heard reports from tucson that the hyper sensitivity of law enforcement has caused the mayor to pull out tucson police officers to avoid any appearance of intimidation. so this has gotten to be a delicate sensitive situation and add to that the foreign threat that we learned this week that foreign adversaries are now accessing voter registration data and poised to perhaps do more than send threatening messages to people. we have a very volatile period of time coming up and law enforcement's time is made even more difficult by a president and an administration that seems to be enabling and encouraging such behavior. >> when you say a volatile period coming up, does that potentially extend to the period after the election, if it is a drawn-out process, until we know

who has been elected the next president of the united states? i mean how worried are you about that? these vigilante, they may be coming about some voter intimidation, that kind of thing right now, but once the votes are cast, what might they do? what worries you? >> the flash point period that i'm most concerned about is indeed the period between election day, and inauguration day. that's the period where there will be massive, there is a likelihood that there will be uncertainty about the outcome, there will be court challenges and then we'll have a president who is just disassociating from any reality perhaps, and taking everything to court, challenging who won, and where, and whether or not mail-in ballots are fraudulent or can be believed. and just as we have with the virus and covid, we may have a split public on who to believe, what to believe, what's real, what's not, and i think we should brace ourselves for that kind of volatility, because it's coming indeed, and then i look at it through the national security lens, alex, our

adversaries will be more than happy to help foment that, through social media, and propaganda, and hacking, to make us all think we can't trust the results of our own election. >> well, to that point and the one you were making earlier, frank, with administration officials warning this week that russia and iran are actively working to interfere in our election, all this as "the new york times" is reporting russia remains the greater threat, according to intelligence officials, who say russia in recent days, has hacked into state and local computer networks and breaches that could allow moscow broader access to american voting infrastructure. like how? i mean how much of an impact could this have? >> well, look, if you understand that our adversaries care more about sowing chaos and discord and confusion than they do about who actually wins the election, then you understand how ugly this could get. so we saw an alert this week come out, and there's multiple alerts stacking on top of each other now, that said, russia has gotten into our infrastructure.

both government and private sector, and what caught my eye is they even sighted that they've gotten into quote aviation infrastructure, and then quote likely for possible future exploitation. that should get all of our attention. because essentially, russia is signaling to us, even more than perhaps in the past, we're here, we're in your systems, and we can do something about it, if we want to sow confusion. >> can you give me 30 seconds on how the aviation breach, what could that pose, in terms of a problem? >> well, alex, we now have more question, just as we've had a doj press conference this week, we now with these alerts have more questions than answers so if they want to attack air traffic control, or mess up flight reservation systems, we simply don't know what they've hacked into but we should be on the alert that they've done it. >> we are. thanks to what we read and our conversations with you. frank, thank you. that is going to do it for me, for this hour, i will see

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we've got a lot going on this afternoon. right now, the campaign trail is in hyper drive, to say the

least, we're watching a lot of events, just ten days, can you believe it, before election day, and the next 60 minutes alone, we will expect to hear from all four candidates on the presidential ticket. joe biden appearing with john bon jovi in pennsylvania, and president trump in ohio and kamala harris also in ohio with vice president mike pence. in florida, and if that isn't enough, president barack obama expected to speak at any moments. running about 15 minutes or so behind in miami. we will have that for you live as well. you will want to stay tuned for that. the former president out on the campaign trail in force for his former vp, all part of the flurry of the campaign action, the final stretch and already 50 million people already voting still reeling from the pandemic, and still in the midst of the pandemic, the candidates holding ten events in five different states. we have the campaign reporters out on the trail, covering it all for us. we're happy to have them live with us now. we