shutting down our life in the face of the pandemic and still coming together. it's an approach -- and focusing on the base, look at the television appearances he's doing, focusing on the core element of how to rally the voters. so he can get as many of those as possible, that's what the rallies are focus on. >> all right. nicholas johnston, thank you very much. we'll be reading in a little bit while and you can sign up at signup.axios.com. i think on this -- with just five days left to the election, jared kushner now admitting saying that president trump freed us from the doctors back in april and here we are five days out with the third coronavirus spike potentially the worst, that is quite a place

to be. that was "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. this is going to get worse because we're going more into the colder season as we get through the fall and into the winter with the holiday season going. we have got to do something different. we can't let this just happen and we'll have more hospitalizations and that will inevitably lead to more deaths. >> you cannot under any circumstances take off your mask. you have to eat through the mask. it's -- right? right, charlie? it's a very complex mechanism. and they don't realize those germs go through it like nothing. they look at you with that contraption and they say, that's an easy one, i'll go right through with the food. >> on a day when the u.s. set a record high for daily coronavirus cases, for the third time in one week, and on a day when nearly 1,000 deaths were

also reported, dr. anthony fauci warns that this is going to get worse as president trump pokes fun at california's mask mandate. >> well, we have been here before, time and again. we were here in the spring when of course we were getting to the point that there were a thousand deaths a day, where things continued to spike, where the president kept saying it was going to go away. that we were just coming around the corner. that there was nothing to worry about. of course, you also had the president telling bob woodward he understood how deadly this disease was, how deadly the virus was. >> airborne. >> yeah. >> no getting away from it. >> and of course, again, the president continued to assure you that the virus wouldn't come back in the fall. he said it's not coming back and here we are with the third wave. it is back. there are almost 230,000 americans who are dead now. and they were dead and dr. fauci

was saying we have to do something different. trump is not doing anything differently. he's going to let americans die. and the question is why so many americans like that policy and it's a deliberate policy. we'll be playing a clip of jared kushner who historians will now record as a man responsible for at least 100,000 dead americans along with donald trump, probably by the end of it we'll probably blame jared kushner for having the blood of 150,000, 200,000 americans on his hands along with donald trump. because very early on in the process, i mean, that's of course if we only have 400,000 americans dying. at the very beginning part of the process, the doctors and the scientists were begging donald trump to do something, to prevent this spread.

what happened? they knew the truth. they knew how to do that. donald trump told bob woodward he knew how to do that. but they refused to do it and jared kushner actually is caught on tape bragging about freeing americans from the scientists and doctors. 228,000 deaths later. we actually have the perry mason moment. we actually have the person on the witness stand who is actually testifying against interests for himself and for donald trump. they deliberately, deliberately freed america from the doctors and the scientists so by the end of this, 400,000 people will be dead. almost as many americans who

died in world war ii. >> it is breathtaking and what's so infuriating about it is the doctors told us this was coming. not a month ago, not two months ago, they told us in february and march. it's going to be bad now. it's going to be bad again in the fall. but it doesn't have to be this bad if we take steps in mitigation. let's play the clip right now that you're talking of jared kushner, this is in the middle of a steep rise in covid cases last spring. white house senior adviser, presidential son-in-law, telling bob woodward the president was quote, getting the country back from the doctors. the comment made in an april 18th taped interview with woodward while he was working on his second book about the trump presidency titled "rage." cnn obtained a copy of this tape. >> the last thing was kind of doing the guidelines which was interesting and that in my mind was almost like, you know, like donald trump getting the country

back from the doctors, right, in the sense that what he now did was, you know, he's going to own the open up. there was the three phases. the panic, the come back phase and i believe last night symbolized the beginning of the come back phase. that doesn't mean there's still not a lot of pain and won't be pain for a while, but we have put out rules to get back to work. trump's back in charge, not the doctors. they have kind -- we have like a negotiated settlement. >> so, joe, donald trump is back in charge. and to reorient everybody, that was six days after people wanted to reopen the country by easter. he said let's get it back open after we had a couple of shutdowns across the country. in other words, this is a

political exercise. we came, we saw, we conquered. let's stop listening to the doctors now. donald trump is in charge. yeah, he was in charge and look where we are right now as we sit at the end of october. >> yeah. and again, donald trump getting the country back from the doctors who of course doctors were just trying to save american lives. the doctors were just trying to save the lives of a lot of senior citizens in florida and a lot of senior citizens in texas and in arizona and in wisconsin and in michigan. look at the pain right now that wisconsin is going through. look at the pain that so many people are going through. we're getting up to 1,000 deaths again per day. and mika, on april 18th, really, almost the beginning of this. a month in, we're really a month in to where america really,

really was focused -- >> mapping out the phases of this. >> he said we're now starting the comeback phase. >> really? >> let's see, the comeback phase, about six months ago and here we are at the end of october just as anthony fauci told you. just as anthony fauci told the american people that the fall was going to be bad and it might even be worse than the spring. and here we are and jared kushner said the comeback phase started in april. wrong again. and again, hundreds of thousands of people dead since that time. >> he also said publicly that by july we'd be rocking and rolling. i mean, there's so many ways in which jared kushner has showed he's unmatched for the job that he was put in -- >> of course he's unmatched for the job. >> and sort of the vacancy of thought that he has on many levels. i think at the beginning of the

presidency, he chided people he was giving a tour at the white house, we don't need to look at history. almost like we know what we're doing. we don't need to study history. but to think that this man, that this man would be put in any type of position of responsibility and be expected to understand the totality of responding to an international pandemic and let's not stop at jared kushner. mike pence is head of the coronavirus task force, what has he done except make it worse? he has all of the people who tell him all the things that need to be done and none of them get done. >> yeah. >> he's sort of -- what is he, screening the bad information so it doesn't get to the white house? >> let's bring in jonathan lemire. nbc news capitol hill correspondent, kasie hunt. political analyst bob costa, a moderator of "washington week on

pbs." bob, you were there at the beginning when woodward first went in and talked to trump during the -- well, right after his election. and these tapes keep coming out and i know it's not a surprise that jared kushner was so wrong here. i mean, after all, you have two men who are running the country who really accomplished nothing in their lives other than inheriting money from their fathers and jared was put in charge of a task force for the greatest national security threat is donald trump's own national security adviser, kushner of course ill equipped to handle this or any other task he's been given at the white house and he brags back in april about wrestling the deadliest pandemic away from doctors and

getting it back in the hands of a politician who is a reality tv host. >> joe, it's not that surprising to see bob woodward coming out with these tapes because years ago, he told me to be a great reporter you have to not only get background quotes, you have not only to get inside information, you have to really get documents, proof, save your notes he said. save your audio recordings. try to get emails, documents that prove the story. and he also advised me and other "the post" reporters, stand back and let a story grow, develop, take different turns. what's the story in april may not be in the story in late october to let things build over time and build the sourcing and that's he's done with his book "rage" and the real story is not only the spread of the virus, but the response of president trump. and what we're seeing is a

systemic response inside of this administration to always try to push the reopening. even when the scientists are saying other things, when the data points in other direction. this is about political willpower in an election year motivating everything within a white house. >> and of course, the market's collapsing, down at 900 points yesterday. covid cases are spiking. going to be heading, again, to record highs for infections every day. jonathan lemire, the timing of donald trump's -- the timing of these things happen -- seem, at least, to show that the idiocy, the negligence, the callousness of this president and his son-in-law are catching up to donald trump at the very end of this campaign. >> certainly seems that way, joe. obviously, significant mistakes of miscalculations made in the

early weeks and months of this pandemic. the audiotape from bob woodward lays bear to more of them and we now have a president who is trailing in the polls significantly in the national polls and steadily in most battleground states too who is facing a real uphill climb and facing a need to campaign and win states that are really suffering right now. wisconsin chief among them, but others as well. the michigans and the iowa, and not confined there and this is a trump campaign really strapped for cash. who had real issues with fund-raising and has spent an extraordinary amount of money with not that much to show for it. so therefore, they're left here in the final five days unable to afford any sort of major advertising blitz and really the one thing they can do are these rallies that they feel like it's not just gathering people, but

driving coverage in local media markets. that's the one way they can reach voters and change the shape of the race with days to go. but of course what does that mean? that meaning gathering thousands of people together in direct defiance of cdc guidelines. with no social distancing, and very few masks. exposing people to the risk of the virus. even trump's own supporters he's endangering by being there but also creating the images that we're broadcasting on cable, in these local media markets, saturating, wall-to-wall and frightening the suburbanites and senior voters. as much as the team thinks they're helping with the republicans are hurting him with the very voters he needs to win over with a deficit and a few days to go. >> mika, to jonathan's point, if

you look inside the polling in the state of wisconsin, about 70% of voters in that state are worried that either they or someone they know will get coronavirus. so they're very concerned about that, so while what the president is saying mocking masks and telling governors to open up their states, might feel good to him at the rallies and the crowd because he gets the cheers. it's not where the voters are. it's just not where they are. coronavirus is being taken very seriously by this country if not by its president. >> you know that 70% number is about the same number of americans who believed that america would be attacked again by al qaeda after 9/11. 7 out of 10 americans who fear their family will be impacted by the coronavirus in a serious way, that's serious. mika, there are people that go on facebook an awful lot and get confused very easily.

they think they're turning on their kitchen light but they're sticking their hand in the blender. they think they're feeding a cat and they're sticking their head in the pool. i understand that up is down and down is up but let me explain the guidelines that donald trump is violating. they were not put together by a group of like drug-crazed hippies in a berkeley garage, right? they were not put together by the trilateral commission with bill gates wearing a bloody crown of children of each continent. no, they were put together by donald trump's white house so when you hear us saying that donald trump is violating cdc guidelines, when you hear us saying that donald trump's rallies every day are in gross

violation of washington, d.c. guidelines, it's -- it's not tom hanks. it's not tom hanks putting the guidelines together, it's not bill gates, it's donald trump. these are at the end donald trump's own guidelines. that he's violating. why? why? because he doesn't care whether you live or die. he just doesn't. you know that's true. he doesn't care if you live or die or not. he just wants to pick up a couple of votes and if you or people you love die, well, he doesn't care because after all these are his own guidelines that he's breaking. pretty simple. by the way, hey, look down, yeah, look down at your hand right now. okay. it's inside a blender, don't press start. pull that out. the light switch is to your right.

>> so we have five days until this election and the president continues to hold these super spreader events and we have polls to show where they stand. but first, breaking news from europe overnight. a man armed with a knife killed three people in a church in the french city of nice. police have confirmed that two women and one man are dead including a woman who ran from the church to seek refuge in a cafe shop next door but was hunted down and killed. several others were wounded. the suspect was injured by police and is now in the hospital. police confirmed to nbc news they consider the event a terrorist attack. the national anti-terrorist office is now officially in charge of the investigation. >> willie, this is an ongoing problem in france. i feel so bad for our allies right now. they have gone through a wave of

just horrific islamic extremist attacks over there. a schoolteacher beheaded in front of a school because he showed children a comic that had mohammed in it. this is a country that is terrorized by these islamic radicals. >> it is and we don't know the motive in this case as it's just developing overnight, but it's suspected terrorism. the police in france now tell us, but you're right it was a couple of weeks ago that a schoolteacher a schoolteacher was beheaded in front of the school and that was about the cartoon that you described and this goes back to the cartoon that was published there and the terrible shooting and the execution of the staff at that media outlet. and also followed up by the awful night inside the theater and in the streets of paris. yes, it had gone away, it seemed to be suppressed for some time but the incidents in the last couple of days bring it back

front and center. paris, by the way, as they go into the partial lockdown under coronavirus restrictions. >> right. >> and let me clarify, i apologize, we don't know the exact nature of this attack. i actually have -- was reflecting on a series of other islamic radical attacks where people were stabbed and killed in churches. we don't have that information yet. there has been a wave of such terrorism and we'll wait for the authorities to tell us what happened inside the church. >> we're also following the zeta. two people are dead in louisiana and let's go right to meteorologist bill karins for the latest. >> good morning. at overachieving storm, the fifth one to hit louisiana and the 11th one to make landfall in the united states and it's

causing a lot of problems especially in northern georgia. it made landfall, right around sunset in southeast louisiana. we had winds from 110 right through coastal mississippi and louisiana and then overnight, even as the storm was weakening it went to the areas with a lot of trees and higher populations and right now we have 2 million people without power and 700,000 of them are in georgia. especially northern georgia. so we have tropical storm warnings that extend all the way through western carolina and it's flying so fast that it's bringing tropical storm gusts into virginia. right know it's headed to the mountains of knoxville and also towards asheville, north carolina. it will be over boone this morning and then over the top of washington, d.c., this afternoon. still could see wind gusts of 40 miles an hour and isolated power outages even near richmond and

washington, d.c. we have flash flood watches and two inches of rain is expected and that will move up into the mid-atlantic and new york city. what a season it has been. record breaking and just the fact we're on zeta is incredible. >> yeah, it really is. and the east coast has been for the most part spared but what a rough, rough year. hurricane season, bill, for the good people of louisiana. they seem to have just borne the brunt of this hurricane season. >> yeah. i mean, the previous record, joe, was five landfalling storms in one state and of course that's georgia. it can get hit from the west and the east coast and the pan handle and louisiana and that little spot in the northern gulf has been hit by five storms this season alone. especially the people of lake charles who haven't recovered

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if things do not change, shep, if they continue on the course we're on, there's going to be a whole lot of pain in this country with regard to additional cases and hospitalizations and deaths. we are on a very difficult trajectory. we are going in the wrong

direction. we're averaging 70,000 cases per week. we have gone up as high as 83,000 last friday and if you look at the map that you just showed on the screen, there are a large number of cases -- of states that are going in the wrong direction. if that continues, we're going to be in much worse shape a month from now than we are today. >> that is dr. anthony fauci with shep smith on cnbc last night. let's bring in medical director at the special pathogen unit, dr. bhadelia. we heard dr. fauci say if we continue on this trajectory, things are get a lot worse. not to be too dark at this hour of the morning but is there any evidence at all that we're not going to continue on this trajectory. we had a president yesterday

mocking the use of masks, gatherings of large crowds, imploring the governors to open their states, exactly the opposite of what you, dr. fauci have been calling for. >> good morning. i'm going to be more blunt than dr. fauci. if we continue down this trend we'll have a health care crisis in most parts of this country. well before the next inauguration of the next president. it's for the reasons that you talked about, it's because of the conditions creating this increase in cases and hospitalizations and the deaths now going up. nothing seems -- nothing on the horizon except maybe our own behaviors will change that. the national policy seems to be sort of dug in and into the policy of inaction. many republican states, like the dakotas, particularly south dakota, there's been no change in the mask mandates and the

test positivity there is almost 40%. almost every other person who gets tested is positive so the crisis to me is thanksgiving is coming up. and despite the warnings people will travel and they may gather and come december, you know, well before january inauguration changes, decisions may have to be made about whether or not we need to have a lockdown and this administration will get to the point that we have to make that decision in this administration and they don't have the clarity or their leadership to make the hard choices and i'm worried about what comes next. >> well, you make an important point that even if joe biden were to win this election, donald trump is president until january the 20th. so that's his policy. that's the way he's handled this crisis for several more months, whatever happens in the election. so let's put if we can just for argument's sake put donald trump to the side, put the federal government to the side because we know they're not going to do anything. we have heard it again from president trump yesterday. what would you like to see from the country's governors?

what could they do this morning to help stem what we're seeing right now? >> one of the biggest, fastest interventions would be mask mandates. and in tennessee, you know, there are 50% of their counties that are under mask mandates and others are not and the hospitalizations are much, much lower compared to those hospitals that are receiving patients that are not covered by mask mandates. mandates of masks in your state -- be prepared to coordinate regionally since there's no national coordination about what happens when hospitals get overwhelmed. how do we set up the swing resource for when more nurses and doctors are needed. it's coming. >> dr. bhadelia, thank you for being blunt with us. we need that right now. dr. that need bhadelia, thank you. it's just five days until election day. why don't we take a look at the

latest battleground polling in michigan. joe biden has an eight-point lead, 49% to 41%. that's in michigan. the latest "washington post" abc poll had biden up seven in the state. 51% to 44%. let's turn to wisconsin. the marquette university law school poll shows biden with a five-point lead. 48% to 43%. that is much tighter than yesterday's "washington post"/abc news poll which had biden up 17 there. 57% to 40%. georgia, the monmouth university poll puts biden ahead by four. 50% to 46%. we have two new polls out of florida. the latest nbc news marist college poll shows biden ahead by four. 51% to 47%. and the latest reuters/ipsos

poll shows biden leading by two, 49% to 47%. and finally, in arizona, the same poll finding biden leading by two. 48% to 46%. >> so jonathan lemire let's go through the numbers. and these are the first time you or i have ever gone through a polling number in the 2020 news cycle. why don't we do something new today? so michigan plus 7, plus 8. wisconsin, plus 5, plus 17. by the way, those are two really good polls. there is -- i was reading the upshot last night. there's really no explaining the wide divergence in the two polls. georgia plus 4. florida plus 4, plus 2 for biden. arizona plus 2. i'm going to say something now and i don't believe any of these polls, i'll be honest with you.

i don't believe any of them. i don't believe any of these polls. i think this race is extraordinarily tight. and every time i start believing the polls, i start looking at data from early state voters. you know, like florida. okay, can donald trump really be behind four points in the state of florida when he is outperforming democrats the way he is in miami-dade county right now? in early voting. can he really be losing by four points when democrats are picking up 50,000 votes? i mean, who knows? maybe biden wins by 50,000 votes. maybe he wins like desantis wins, but four points there? 17 points in wisconsin? i just -- again, i mean, arizona, two points.

yeah, maybe so. but, man, does anybody on this set really believe that joe biden is going to win georgia by four points because i sure as hell don't. maybe -- i don't know. maybe i'm that general fighting the last war that i always warn about. but i just don't believe these numbers. >> this new segment talking polls, i think it's going to work. we should mention at the outset -- >> really? >> joe, yeah, i think it's good. joe, the confusion you're expressing is echoed by strategists on both sides of the party. certainly let's just talk wisconsin first. right? marquette -- that marquette poll that mika just read, that's the gold standard in that state. and that margin around five is more realistic, more in touch with reality than the huge spread we saw in that poll yesterday. neither campaign thinks it's anywhere near that but both

agree that biden has a consistent -- not huge, but consistent lead. look, a five point lead, you win it by five points that's pretty good. you'll take it. the margins certainly seem to be smaller there in the sunbelt and that is why, joe, this race and we have didn't discussing this feels like it's close, in the balance of why people have reluctant have not stayed away from the idea of calling this a potential biden rout. even though biden is plunging into new states, he was in iowa and in georgia earlier in the week, because there's that path. i think that's the best way to think about this. the president of the united states is losing. he's losing pretty much everywhere, but in the path to 270, the combination of states he could string together through the sunbelt he's within striking distance in all of them. florida, i agree. that's more like a one-point race. hard to imagine that's four or five. georgia is competitive, no question. i was talking to someone in the

biden camp they feel pretty good but hardly feel like it's in the bag. north carolina the same. they like where they are, but they're up just a point or two. if there's an election day surge for republicans which is what the white house is banking on, donald trump could certainly take both of those. arizona is harder. the deficit is a little steeper there. he was there yesterday for a pair of rallies in arizona. we should note, that the senate candidate, martha mcsally was given one minute to talk on stage. >> he did not want her to come up on stage. >> nothing to do with it. yeah. nigel farage the former brexit leader had more time to speak to the crowd. if you string the crowds together, it would require threading the needle but he could do it. and then it's all about pennsylvania. >> yeah. by the way, do i think there are hidden trump voters out there? yes, i do. >> oh, yeah. >> do i think there are millions of people that would never admit to a pollster that they were

going to vote for a man who did the sort of things that -- >> or a friend. >> -- did over the past four years? yes, i do. they would not admit it. so when you look at these states and you see that north carolina is within the margin of error, georgia is within the margin of error, florida is within the margin of error. texas within the margin of error. arizona within the margin of error, not only would i be surprised if all of the states didn't go for president trump i wouldn't be surprised if biden wins one of those states. of course that would be enough for victory. for those talking about a landslide, take a cold shower, look at the early voting numbers. i think we're a donald trump win in pennsylvania away from him possibly getting re-elected.

now, that's where this analysis ends. i don't see how he wins pennsylvania. i don't see how he wins michigan. i don't see how he wins wisconsin. if he loses those three states, it's all over. but, then again, four years ago, mika, i was saying pennsylvania's fools gold for republican. so maybe he figures out a way to do it again. if he wins in pennsylvania, then there's a real possibility he can get re-elected. >> i want to get to kasie hunt on georgia and elsewhere, but we mentioned that moment with martha mcsally. where trump didn't want her on stage, here it is. >> martha, come up quick, fast, come on, quick. you have one minute. one minute, martha. they don't want to hear this, come on, quick quick quick quick. come on, let's go. >> great, i'm coming. thank you, president trump.

>> oh, my god, you know if somebody introduced me that way i would have two -- you want quick, i have two words for you. >> bye-bye. >> the second one would be off. i won't tell you because this is a kid's show what the first one would be. but you talk about a guy that just -- poor martha mcsally, thrown under the bus. that's what he does to you, republicans. >> kasie, you have reporting on the state of play in georgia and elsewhere. tell us about it. >> yeah, you know i don't want to play devil's advocate here, joe, but i'm going to for a second. i think the sunbelt states that we have been talking about, my question is honestly whether we're going to be talking about a different set of battlegrounds because i have been talking to sources and the idea that we would put georgia ahead of north carolina as a possible biden state seems totally

counterintuitive, but that is what my sources are suggesting might actually be the case. people that are looking at internal data on the republican side a little bit more worried in some ways about the president's chances in georgia. don't forget they have two senate races going on down there. they're digging into a lot of data there. texas, "the new york times" has a huge story on texas today. ted cruz reportedly telling president trump that he's got a real race on his hands in texas and, you know, both sides here seem to be very afraid of creating an expectations game in texas. the president hasn't been advertising there. they don't want to send the message that texas is in play and democrats are afraid to say they're doing -- you know, too much, for example in texas. they're afraid to set the expectation that hey, they can win there. but these states are moving very quickly, potentially in ways

that are more decisive for biden which is not something that many of us expected. obviously there's still five days to go, but bob costa, i'm curious your take on this. i'm in total agreement with joe, pennsylvania is the place we'll be laser focused but if there are surprises in the south the way that trump surprised in the midwest the last time around the whole map can change. >> it could, kasie. i was at the capitol, you were there at after the 2018 midterm senator election and cruz had eked out a win over beto o'rourke and he said that republicans have to be alarmed about texas. we thought maybe this was in the wake of a narrow win but he's been sounding that alarm inside of the gop, inside the white house, ever since 2018 because he saw in texas around dallas, around his home city of houston, the suburbs were changing. new people were moving in. and if you look at georgia, i

covered jon ossoff, and he lost that race, but on the ground in the atlanta area you saw an influx of not only latino voters, white people and black people moving in and that's why a coalition is developing. president obama in florida saying to the democratic party let's not just run against the president's handling of the virus which they deem a favor but revive that obama coalition. if it can come back like it had the same kind of numbers like in '08, '12 that's how you cut into the south and the sunbelt. >> joe, we have to go back to the martha mcsally moment for just a moment. >> wow. >> just on the face, it was unbelievable. but also, as a political matter, martha mcsally is a republican senator fighting for her life. now trailing in the polls to

mark kelly in the state of arizona. and he's rushing her on and off, totally throwing her under the bus, totally dismissing her. he needs that. that senate prevented him from being removed from office, as you might remember that senate got him three supreme court justices including one a couple of days ago. and yet, he'd rather give the stage to nigel farage because he comes up and says, donald trump is the single most resilient and brave person i have ever met in my life. he needs the praise at the expense of supporting a candidate who is trailing in arizona and could save him if he's re-elected because he needs every vote he can get in that senate. >> but at least the shade that he threw towards martha was subtle. i think he said nobody wants to

hear what you have to say. nobody wants to hear this. nobody wants to hear what you have to say. willie, i want to go back to what kasie said about georgia. it's interesting, north carolina there's a feeling, north carolina has tightened up in part it's because cal cunningham just can't stop blowing himself up politically. so that race is tightened. the unthinkable has happened. a guy who's sitting with 33% approval rating, thom tillis, may actually get re-elected. and that -- that's brought that north carolina race a little closer together. you look at the numbers out of georgia, who knows? we usually have some surprises on election night. maybe georgia is that surprise election night and bob was talking about the different coalitions that are coming together, very diverse coalition. but put at the center of that the difference between now and four years ago, white suburban

atlanta voters that have always voted republican, that won't be voting republican in as big of numbers as they did before. it's just like ted cruz was, you know, talking about the houston suburbs and the dallas suburbs. yeah, i mean, that's the thing. these suburbs which, you know, were newt gingrich territory, these were newt gingrich -- he got elected to congress, now controlled by democrats. >> yeah. it will be -- i think when we go to the maps on election night, the kornacki maps, i lived in georgia for a long time, so did you, i'm going right to cobb county. i'm looking at marietta to see how they're voting and i think that will tell us about the country and specifically about the state of georgia. like texas, people, democrats have been saying for a long time. some day we're going to turn georgia blue. stacey abrams took a big step

toward that, losing by a whisker in the governor's race. could this be the year that national democrats turn it blue in a presidential election? they're hoping so on the back of black voters and also on the back of suburban voters. >> all right. well coming up, a closer look at florida and why ed luce of the financial time is warning of quote the nontrivial risk of a florida 2000. "morning joe" is coming right back. >> are you proud of your support for president trump? >> well, i'm proud that i'm fighting for arizonians on things like cutting your taxes. >> senator, the question was are you proud of your support for president trump? >> i'm proud to be fighting for arizona every single day. >> is that a yes or a no -- >> putting legislation on president trump's desk. if you want a fighter who is proud to work for president trump for the great american

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and welcome back. just turning 52 past the hour. bob costas, you have a washington week election report that airs tomorrow night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on pbs. tell us about it. >> my friend -- our friend kristen welker will join me as well. she's a fellow pennsylvania native. i'm retracing the steps i took in 2016 in the final days of the campaign. i took a road trip then, 350 miles across pennsylvania. now i wanted to do reconnect with many of those same voters and new ones and just ask them, where is their vote going this

year? what's on their mind and will president trump win pennsylvania or will scranton native joe biden reclaim the state for democrats. >> you know, four years ago it was the first time that mika and i first started to say that donald trump could win nationwide was when we would have people from new york tell us about driving to pennsylvania for family reunions and i remember one person coming back to new york and saying, i had 19 people at a family reunion, guess how many are voting for? how many. she said 19. mika was hearing the same thing. and so we thought it was possible then. i'm curious, just anecdotely, your home state, how does 2020 feel compared to 2016? >> in brief, in the western and central parts of the state,

still a lot of enthusiasm for president trump. but in the way that philadelphia was sleepy in 2016 for democrats, no more. a lot more enthusiasm, engagement of democrats in the city of philadelphia and the key thing i'm finding in the suburbs, of philadelphia, moderate republicans, independents, leaning towards biden. the area probably the most up for grabs northeast pennsylvania, scranton, bob casey territory. a lot of working class union democrats have always been tempted by the siren song of president trump on trade. they're probably the most on the fence in terms of all of the areas of pennsylvania. >> how about -- in that area, how about in biden's old hometown of scranton, in the scranton wilkes-barre area, is he going to outperform hillary by a good bit because he claims it to be his hometown? >> the biden campaign, the casey

machine in pennsylvania, they're devoting tons of time and resources and that's the area that they have to put the effort in northeastern pennsylvania and you see a message from vice president biden trying to win over those voters. he's not trying to a free trader. he's not trying to counter president trump on the populist issues, but saying to the voters i'm with you. if you add in suburban turnout, that's higher and better urban turnout in pittsburgh, that could be the key to biden winning the state. >> bob costa, thank you so much for your reporting. joining us news u.s. national editor at the financial times, ed luce. his latest piece is entitled "the nontrivial risk of another florida 2000" and he writes democrats dubbed it the u.s. presidential selection in its 5-4 ruling america's supreme court stated that decision to

halt florida's recount, thus handing the 2000 election to george w. bush was meant to be a one off. 20 years later, it looks like a troublely relevant one. and it's neither near trivial or probable. it lies somewhere in between. it lies -- common sense dictates in a contest between donald trump and joe biden the supreme court's instinct would be for self-preservation. one clashing impulse would be to prevent a constitutional breakdown. it is possible mr. biden will win florida on tuesday night and end all speculation. failing that, the chances of a rash of court battles over vote counts is high. >> ed luce -- >> i just got sick. >> this is a growing concern.

as, again, a lot of people are talking about the possibility of a biden landslide, i don't -- i mean, it could happen. i'm skeptical right now. and if this race is tight, what happens if there's one contested state after another? trump falls behind in the state, you know, they have the supreme court issue an injunction, the deciding vote is amy coney barrett. could you imagine a more destabilizing scenario where americans are sitting and watching amy coney barrett being the deciding vote to stop all the ballots from being counted in pennsylvania or wisconsin or michigan. >> well, it's unfortunately possible to imagine her doing that. i mean, she kept being asked

during her hearings about the appearance of impropriety and she cites the question and then after being confirmed a week before the election, celebrates with president trump on the white house balcony, unmasked. so her definition of propriety might not be the dictionary version we have. look, the supreme court does not want this to get above the parapet here. the instinct is for self-preservation, it's got the 6-3, why risk its rich winnings by settling this election if that's what it comes to. my problem with that, in the last week we had justice kavanaugh writing a concurring opinion denying an extension to

the ballots there. citing bush v gore and bush v gore was as in the words of the judges of the majority at the time was supposed to be a one off ruling. it was supposed to be no precedent resulting from bush v gore but it's now recurring. it's turning up in opinions and being cited. we should never forget and i know you haven't, but the grounds on which the supreme court stops the counting in florida in 2000 was the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment. the one that put african-americans on an equal footing with whites. pretty extraordinary and torturous form of reasoning. originalist reasoning, to end that election and you are seeing similar kinds of torturous originalist thinking occurring

in these recent spate of cases that have -- election cases that have come before the supreme court. so i'm not confident that this can't happen again in some unexpected way. sadly i'm not confident. >> right. and if we go back to bush v gore you had nine justices, all voting for the party who put them on the supreme court and you could make the argument that all nine justices, the five conservatives and the four liberals voted against what their natural ideological approach to that case would be, so it was results oriented and not oriented by how they even viewed the law and so we should note that amy coney barrett yesterday did not get involved in two cases. said she did not have time to. i personally think not because of being results oriented, but

because she has a long tenure ahead of her and hopefully, like, justice john roberts she's more concerned with the reputation and the stability of the supreme court than she is -- being on donald trump's right side and being a faithful minion to donald trump. so jonathan lemire, you have actually war gamed this out with some of your colleagues what might happen if amy coney barrett is the deciding vote on the supreme court to stop a vote in arizona and then go ahead with your question with ed. >> i think it's a scenario, joe, a lot of people are watching very carefully right now in both political parties, suggesting that this would be -- what has been an election like any other with -- so much tension and partisansh partisanship and right now

fights and anger about the court and if it comes down to the supreme court it would be one way or the other and particularly if it would hurt democrats i think there would be real anger. the biden campaign has lawyers to go all over the country to lead to the sort of appeals and that leads to this question, ed, the idea that the supreme court has suggested -- yes, they could revisit this if needed in the states ahead. but on a lower level n the state governments, on lower level courts what states in particular are you watching where there could be a robust legal challenge, where there could be efforts to stop the vote or to halt it early, where you can see some day of chicanery? florida, we assume. where else are you looking? >> well, certainly pennsylvania. i mean, that ruling yesterday where it left open that the court could return to the case next week or after the election, the ballots that would arrive after tuesday -- after 6:00 p.m. on tuesday are going to be

segregated from the ballots that have arrived before. which anticipates a possible ruling and gives the supreme court -- or at least gives the pennsylvania gop an opening to challenge whether they're constitutional or not. there's still ambiguity around that. if you look at most of the swing states they have republican legislature. some have democratic governors but almost all of the swing states have republican legislatures and the consistency of them -- of the opinions from people like brett kavanaugh in the last few days says that the state legislature cannot be overruled by the state supreme court or federal courts on appeals. and that the supreme court can intervene to uphold the state legislature. so if you have one of the scenarios that gellman laid out very well in his wonderful piece

in "the atlantic" where the state goes rogue, would the supreme court uphold because it's the legislature doing it? i don't know. but as joe mentioned, you know, in 2000, the five who voted to stop the counting were interfering in state court's decisions, which went against their ideology and those who voted to do the recounting did the opposite. people tend to, even justices, vote partisan in acutely tense, stressful moments and i have very little faith -- amy coney barrett might surprise us, but i have very little faith she will. you can't base -- you can't base your hope on justices becoming impersonal vehicles of objectivity at such moments. >> all right. ed luce, thank you very much and we appreciate you being with us.

you know, willie going back to 2000, i was -- i was involved in a lot of those 38 days and my focus was in northwest florida making sure that all the military ballots from overseas got counted because some were going to be coming in after election day. here we are 20 years later and how fascinating that donald trump is actually working overtime and his lawyers are going to be working overtime to disenfranchise military voters who send their ballots in from overseas. serving america overseas. and their ballots may come in to wisconsin or pennsylvania or north carolina or florida after election day. and donald trump wants our men and women in uniform disenfranchised from the vote.

>> yeah. it's pretty amazing, but it's strategic. he thinks he's -- he's willing to give up that vote to hopefully give up some of the democratic vote that may come in in pennsylvania or north carolina and as you mentioned, republicans were dealt blows by the supreme court in those two states yesterday. amy coney barrett did not participate, justice barrett saying i didn't have time to read the briefs. i shouldn't participate in this. so i know most democrats, i know most people watching this wish she was not on the bench. let's see how she behaves. let's see where she comes down, if it comes down to this. because as you, jonathan lemire knows, talking to the trump people when you ask them where they think they are right now, they recognize privately they're behind, but they're hoping number one, the polls aren't right because they still hang on to 2016 and number two if it's close enough, they can take this thing to the courts. they can draw it out as president trump has called this a rigged election over the last

several months. they hope that it's not overwhelming on election night. that it's just close enough they can get it to the courts and perhaps put it in the hands of the supreme court where he's placed three justices over his first term. >> well, and let's -- let's at least if we don't allow ourselves to be optimistic, let's show examples where the justices over the past year or two have shown independence from donald trump. what amy coney barrett did yesterday no doubt upset donald trump and upset a lot of conservatives and she did the right thing. i would say that if it was a liberal or a republican, to jump in and decide that quickly. >> it says a lot about her. >> it would look like the game was rigged. john roberts, time and again, has chosen to protect the institution of the supreme court of the united states over

protecting partisan interests. there are some votes where liberal -- it's funny liberals will salute him on two or three votes and then he'll go with the conservatives one or two times, oh, my god, we always knew -- you know, just it doesn't work that way. you can't keep score. you look at gorsuch. even when gorsuch was being sent around by the white house and talking to members of the senate, that donald trump had questioned the authority of a federal judge in washington state and neil gorsuch spoke out and criticized the president of the united states when a lot of other republicans were too cowardly to do the same thing. of course, justice gorsuch surprised a lot of people with his ruling earlier regarding rights for homosexuals. and the supreme court and his

definition of the word sex what that meant, what it applied to. so this is not a black and white issue. we shouldn't predict what supreme court justices are going to do. we can only hope that they won't be as predictable as they were in 2000 when all nine, the five conservatives and the four liberals were all results oriented and all ran to their respective sides. that would damage the court's credibility to such a high degree in 2020. let's just pray we don't get there. >> so now to this. the u.s. has reported more than 500,000 new coronavirus cases over the past week. and yet, we learned yesterday that the white house included ending the covid-19 pandemic as the top accomplishment of

president trump's first term. yes. they said they ended it. the office of science and technology policy listed the claim in a press release intended to highlight the administration's science accomplishments. stating that this administration, quote, has taken decisive actions to engage scientists and health professionals in academia, industry and government to understand, treat and defeat the disease. so you mean like when he bullied and made fun of and called dr. fauci a disaster? is that what they mean by that? a white house spokesperson sought to clarify the release saying it was poorly worded and does not believe that the pandemic is over. the intent is to say it's our goal to say we ended the virus. while campaigning in delaware, joe biden spoke out against the

statement calling the president reckless. >> the white house science office, this stunned me, put out a statement listing ending the covid-19 pandemic as a top accomplishment of president trump's first term. the infection rates are going up in almost every state of our union. the refusal of the trump administration to recognize the reality we're living through at a time when almost 1,000 americans a day are dying every single day is an insult to every single person suffering from covid-19 and every family who's lost a loved one. >> wow. with us now, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle. white house correspondent for pbs news hour yamiche alcindor and editor-in-chief of "the atlantic," jeffrey goldberg is with us. >> mike barnicle, a bad day for the white house to say they

consulted with scientists and doctors to attack the pandemic when you had jared kushner going out talking to bob woodward back in i think it was april saying this. >> the last thing was kind of doing the guidelines which was interesting and that in my mind was almost like, you know, it was almost like trump getting the country back from the doctors, right, in the sense that what he now did was, you know, he's going to open up. there were three phases, the panic, the pain and the comeback phase. i believe last night symbolized kind of the beginning of the comeback phase. there doesn't mean there's not a lot of pain or a lot of pain for a while, but we put out rules to get back to work. trump is back in charge, it's not the doctors. like we have a negotiated settlement. >> what a silly, foolish, dangerous thing to say.

mike barnicle, saying that donald trump wrestled the treatment of the coronavirus treatment from the doctors. he got this issue back from the doctors. and talking in april about opening up the country when here we are in the fall and just as dr. fauci tried to tell donald trump in a press conference it has come back and it has come back in part because donald trump has continued to go against his own guidelines, continued to mock people who wear masks, continued to make fun, to ridicule, to blast his doctors. >> joe, if you listen to doctors, if you talk to doctors, they will tell you that the virus is coming back with a ferocity and it's here, it's always been here and the health care crisis if we don't have one now. nurses, doctors, they're all

going to be under another round of tremendous stress. and when does the system finally break? we don't know. but to have the administration filled with incompetence like jared kushner speaking like this raises i think a larger issue about next tuesday. and it is this. we are on the ballot next tuesday. america is on the ballot. the idea of what this country is all about, what you think it's all about, joe, what i think it's all about, what people have always felt america was all about, that's on the ballot. there are going to be more than 40 million people, no doubt about this, 40 million people who will vote for donald trump and yet, you have to ask -- well, more than 40 million, actually. 46% of the country perhaps will vote for donald trump. you have to ask why, what's going on with this country? that after a series of incompetent efforts to combat a

virus that is literally killing us and the level of incompetence at every level of government is obscene. people still vote for him. what's going on in america? we have got to answer that question. we have to deal with that question. >> jeffrey goldberg, the country set a single day record, more than 80,000 cases of coronavirus. france and germany going into lockdowns and europe was sort of was a precursor for us back in february and march and the dow jones was more than 900 points because the markets know what's coming and yet, you have president trump mocking masks, telling governors to open up their states. while dr. fauci has to go on tv several times a day and say, what the president is saying is not true. we need to start thinking about mask mandates. we need to take this seriously because what doctors have been telling us since february and march is now coming to bear as we enter fall and deeper into

winter. >> right. you know, it's interesting, you never really notice or recognize the importance of leadership until you experience the absence of leadership. and i think that's what we're experiencing right now. it's more than that. i have been thinking a lot about the collection of numbers from just yesterday. new infections, dow jones, death rate, so on. you know, what you have right now is a president and an entire apparatus around the president that cannot or will not absorb and interpret reality. and you know, i don't mean to get all highfalutin and apocalyptic this early in the morning but the success of a country, whether a country not only flourishes but survives is really dependent on the leaders or the willingness of the leaders to take in reality, take in data. take in observable truth and interpret it and then make policies based on that. so, you know, it's funny, darkly

funny in one sense that the white house issues press releases saying that covid is over. the president says we're going back to normal and jared kushner last july says we're -- we're going to come out in a big boom now. everything is going to be great. but it's really astonishing. you couldn't run a business this way. you couldn't run a family this way and yet, the country is being run this way. >> yamiche, you cover this white house every day and you have for this entire administration. i guess this is sort of an evergreen question but for a man in president trump who is obsessed with polling, who during campaigns carries around a piece of polling -- he did it in 2016 he doesn't want to it so much today, does he not see -- i know there's nobody who can talk to him and bring him back to center and we can put those questions to the side, but does he not see his posture on

coronavirus, i guess forget about the country, but is hurting him as he looks at the polling states when you look at a state like wisconsin where 70% of the voters there in "the washington post" poll says i'm concerned that i or someone in my family may catch coronavirus. this is taking over our lives, our kids aren't going to school and no one believes we're rounding the corner and no one believes it will magically disappear. what doesn't he get about that in his own self-interest which is what he cares about? >> well, after watching hours and hours of president trump on the campaign trail and talking to people in the trump campaign, what you see is a president who understands that the coronavirus is the biggest risk to his re-electi re-election. he says before the pandemic it was and competition between me and whoever the democrats put up.

so he understands in his instincts and soul that he knows that the pandemic is an issue that americans are thinking of, that's top of mind when people are casting their ballots but what he's convinced himself of -- that's evident on -- with his language and rhetoric on the campaign trail is that if he just continues to talk about the virus as if it's in the rearview mirror, continues to talk about it as if it's a myth of a threat to america, then maybe just maybe he can convince enough people to believe him and to go along with that. i mean, i have talked to so many trump supporters who look at him, look at his social media and say, okay, this is where i'm getting my truth from. instead of looking at the scientists, instead of looking at all of the different facts and data that we're getting from the government. so you heard the president say something over and over again, he says covid, covid, covid, the news media is focused too much on this. imagine that, it's part of his

stump speech, that we're focusing too much on a virus that has killed more than 227,000 americans and that it's about to infect almost 9 million people. we're at 8.8 million americans infected. but there's the closing message. that the covid isn't something to be worried about. >> it's -- i cringe when i hear him say that. still ahead, the newspaper for president trump's alma mater, the university of pennsylvania, came out with a new endorsement this week. joe biden for president. and biden has another brand-new endorsement this morning. we'll bring in the editor-in-chief of the economist. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. watching "" we'll rbeight back. did you know you can go to libertymutual.com

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route. >> yeah. >> i'm sure -- but anyway, you -- you also though you're proud of your institution for another reason this morning and that's because you're the editor of the daily pennsylvanian who put out an endorsement. joe biden for president. you ran that thing in '86. how proud are you today? >> oh, i'm -- i'm very proud. it seems like they have kept to the high standards of truth and justice in the american way at the daily pennsylvanian, so that's -- it looks like a smart decision on their part. it is actually -- it's fascinating because penn is in a torturous situation. most universities -- for most

universities it would be a dream to have someone -- one of their graduates become president of the united states. in this case, i don't know that penn, its administration, its leaders can actually deal with that and it's become quite a subject -- it's almost a taboo subject at the university. i'm glad that the daily pennsylvanian took the issue head on and of course they point out in their editorial that joe biden was a professor at penn. so it's mitigated, the fact that donald trump is a graduate is mitigated by the fact that jill biden taught there. >> fair enough. >> anyone who has been to penn or did a media interview there, i don't want to betray confidences, donald trump didn't go to wharton, but he took undergraduate classes and they say that you not include that he went there in their remarks. >> did they really? well, all i can say is i went to

the college like the university of alabama that doesn't have any graduates that would cast such a shadow on our fine institution. certainly nothing ever went on on that campus. >> okay. >> exactly. joe namath. we've got the snake. nobody's ashamed of the snake. >> okay. another publication throwing the support behind joe biden, the economist endorsing joe biden for president. the editorial board writes, the electorate that elected donald trump in 2016 was unhappy and divided and the country he's asking to re-elect him is more unhappy and more divided. joe biden is not a miracle cure for what ails america. but he is a good man who would restore steadiness and civility to the white house. he is equipped to begin the long, difficult task of putting

a fractured country back together again. that is why if we had a vote it would go to joe. and the paper's editor-in-chief zanny minton beddoes is joining us now. tell us what the other factors that your magazine considered in making this decision. >> so the decision itself was not a difficult decision. what was difficult was to think about what to focus on and what was the argument we were going to make, and i think it came to us it was not -- most editorials, most endorsements have been about policy. which candidates' policies do we prefer and in that case that's not the issue. president trump has some policies that were okay, he has some policies that were pretty terrible. this is much more about the fact he has desecrated the values and principles that make america a haven for the citizens and a beacon to the world. you have discussed them earlier

and the contempt for the norms of the democracy, his fuelling of tribal politics and partisanship, his contempt for the truth and then his contempt for his allies, his pals up to dictators, all of these things led us to think that the very fabric of what makes america special in its own eyes and in the eyes of the world is at risk if we have another four more years of this. it means that the bar to anybody else is relatively low and joe biden clears it easily. as you said, we said he was a good man, a decent man, he's a multilateralist, an institution builder and we went on to why the fears we hear from the republicans he would be a cipher for the radical left is hugely overblown. he has not shown that in the campaign. every year of his 47 years as we keep hearing from the president in politics has been tacking to

the center of the democratic party. he's to the left certainty of where president obama and president clinton were, but nothing radical. it seemed to us to be really no choice. if we have another four years of donald trump, the america that the world has come to see as a beacon, a beacon of democracy, as a beacon of leadership is i fear going to be an america no more. that was a pretty easy choice. joe biden we can't guarantee that he can empower america, but if it's not joe biden if we have another four years of donald trump, the outlook is really very, very grim. >> mike barnicle? >> so zanny, you just described america pretty much perfectly in my mind. it is a special place. it is a special country, always has been, at least in my lifetime and i think in the lifetimes of people viewing america from abroad, from europe, or from wherever. but now we are about to have

another election and donald trump again is on the ballot and again millions of americans will vote for him. so from your point of view, what does that say about the united states of america today, the fact that this election might well be close and that donald trump might well indeed eke out a victory? what does that tell you about how this country has changed, if indeed you think it has changed the way you have been describing it. >> i think it has changed and i think for me the single most important reason is that it would be an unbelievably example of the toxic, partisan nature that has become america. i spent most of my adult life living in america. i left and came back to london in 2014 and in the last six years, particularly the last four years, what was already a polarized, divided country has become so much more polarized, angry and divided that the two sides appear to live in different worlds, with different

facts. and much of that has been stoked by donald trump. in a world where one side simply doesn't believe that the other side is telling the truth, it's the fake media, it's lies. and were he to win, i think it would be in large part a function is of that polarization where a large fraction of americans simply don't believe the facts and believe the facts as he says them. >> jeffrey goldberg? >> zanny, quick question about our reputation overseas, not only in great britain, but do you think that four years of joe biden would help america recover its standing among the allies or is this -- are we in a situation now where people around the world view us as a little bit of a perennially drunk driver? how bad it is? >> no i think it would make a big difference.

i don't think it would be back suddenly to the world pretrump, because a lot of trust is gone. people are naive of joe biden being elected is we're back to normal. china is in a much different position than it used to be and the world is different. but i do think that it will allow the possibility of that healing. there aren't many areas where a president biden would make progress. climate change is a very obvious one. it's the huge challenge facing the world. he would have a multilateral approach and while there would be less trust than before, because people will worry about what would happen in four years' time in america, i think it would change relatively quickly. >> zanny minton beddoes, thank you for being on and sharing that endorsement with us from the economist.

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welcome back to "morning joe." jeffrey, great new piece in "the atlantic" talking about how america is about to choose how bad the pandemic will get. in it, ed writes about how -- it's obvious by this point that donald trump does not learn from his mistakes. so if he's re-elected, he's go not going to change his course and neither will the pandemic. >> right. i mean, it's a very, very -- ed is an amazing reporter, he's done great work on this. this is a very, very clear statement of what's at stake.

ed's basic argument is that -- and he words this beautifully, basically says, you know, trump has essentially ceded america to the coronavirus. right? like you have heard that explicitly from the white house chief of staff among others. basically, he's handed america over to the coronavirus and the strategy is to argue that the coronavirus has been defeated when in fact it is in charge of the united states right now. and so ed says, you know, essentially we can choose our future in the coming days. people who haven't voted yet can choose the future. if you choose biden, you're choosing science and if you choose trump you're choosing continued denial. it's -- it's a great piece and it lays out the stakes very, very cleanly. >> yeah, hey, jeffrey, are you a pennsylvania native or did you just choose to go to penn? >> i just got on the amtrak at penn station and went down to penn for a while. yeah. >> that'll do it.

but do you have any -- any -- i was asking bob costa earlier who is a pennsylvania native what he was hearing out of pennsylvania, how he compared what anecdotal evidence from '16 to '20. i'll ask you the same thing with your friends and the people that you know in pennsylvania, throughout pennsylvania. what are you hearing? how does it feel in 2020 compared to 2016? >> well, you know, it's interesting, we have several reporters who have been in pennsylvania and reporting out of there currently. we have a piece coming on the subject in a day or so. you know, one of the things that we're hearing -- and this is the most disturbing aspect of it is just how horribly divided even small communities are over these questions. i suppose in one sense if you're coming at it from a pro biden perspective t fact that some

communities, small communities in the central part of the state in particular are divided as opposed to sort of uniformly pro trump suggests that there is some softening there of trump support. but, you know, like a lot of people i have learned from the 2016 experience not to try to call pennsylvania or any other state in the union. but i was just talking to a reporter the other day about this. and the feeling is that trump support is widespread in the pockets of pennsylvania that we're all familiar with, and that stretch between pittsburgh and philadelphia in northeast pennsylvania, but that the feeling is that there is some softening of that, but what it means, i don't know. >> who knows? all right. jeffrey goldberg, thank you so much. the former politician in me loves anecdotal evidence.

it adds up. thank you. willie? >> all right, now to the latest with the l.a. dodgers third baseman justin turner who was removed during the world series title clinching victory on tuesday night over what was revealed to be a positive coronavirus test. turner returned to the field at globe life field with his wife after the game to celebrate with the world series trophy and pose for a photo. he's now under investigation by the league and could face discipline under an agreement between major league baseball and the players association on health and safety protocol. in a statement yesterday, the league said this. turner was placed into isolation for the safety of those around him, however, following the dodgers victory it is clear turner chose to disregard the agreed upon joint protocols and the strict instructions he was given regarding the safety and protection of others. while a desire to celebrate is understandable, turner's decision to leave isolation and enter the field was wrong and put everyone he came in contact

with at risk. when mlb security raised the matter of being on the field with turner, he emphatically refused to comply. now, according to espn both teams were cleared and flew home after negative test results yesterday while turner and his wife remained in arlington, texas, after his wife tested negative. so mike barnicle, what do you make of this story? full disclosure, i sit on the board of a great veterans organization with justin turner, i know him to be a wonderful guy. it looks like he mad a bad decision and being excited to celebrate with his teammates. shouldn't have done it, i'm not defending it, but what do you make of this? >> willie, first of all, on justin turner everybody refers to him as a great clubhouse guy. because of his nature, his spirit, his ability to pull the team together and he is indeed that. he's been a key figure in the dodgers organization for several years. and as well as being a really good player. but the idea that andrew friedman, the chief of baseball operation for the dodgers, a

very smart guy, put this team together, and other members of the dodger organization tell justin turner after he is allegedly been shown to be proved -- to have come up with case positive, no, you can't go out there and he still does it. he overrules them and they let him overrule them, and let him go out on the field unmasked to participate in the ceremonies. we all understand the fact that he wanted to be there, but come on. i mean, he's putting everyone around him at risk. so it was a pretty dangerous, pretty selfish decision from a really good guy. >> yeah. good guy and you hate to see it overshadow what the dodgers achieved. he shouldn't have done it though. we'll be right back on "morning joe." we talked about the outbreaks again across europe which have sort of presaged back in march what was coming to the united states. germany locking down, france with a partial lockdown. we'll go live to london with keir simmons when we come right back on "morning joe." keir simm back on "morning joe."

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wall street took a major hit yesterday as the dow jones and the s&p 500 both suffered its worst losses since june. the dow closed down 943 points, a 3.4% drop and the s&p 500 and the nasdaq composite also sank more than 3.5% each. this marks the worst day for the dow and the s&p since june 11th at the height of the pandemic. it comes as investors show concerns about a global uptick in coronavirus cases and the potential for new lockdowns here at home, lockdowns that we are seeing now in europe. joining us now from london, nbc news senior international correspondent keir simmons. keir? >> hey, mika, good morning. the rain in europe sums up the

atmosphere, the london market this morning struggling to recover from an avalanche of selling yesterday at a six-month low. and we're about to show you why in some stunning illustrations that show how europe. here in the uk, they're talking about 100,000 new infections per day. in the czech republic the crisis is so bad, they've asked the american national guard, troops from the american national guard to come and work alongside doctors. europe convulsed by protests and riots. people increasingly frustrated with the mounting restrictions, as european leaders desperately try to contain soaring covid cases. at a berlin demonstration, a coffin for the entertainment industry, germany closing pubs, restaurants, movie theaters, and gyms for all of november. the alternative, germany's chancellor warned an acute

health emergency. in a national television address, the french president announcing a second at least month-long lockdown. i know you are weary, but he warned that france is at risk of being overwhelmed. in every one of europe's major nations, it's the same story. daily deaths are rising frigh n frighteningly fast, 40% in a week. infections in france quadrupling since early september, more than 33,000 cases on tuesday alone. german infection rates lower but approaching their april peak. spain even higher, but like most nations, its numbers of deaths are still low. even italy suffering so many fatalities the first time around almost 25,000 infections in 24 hours while 205 people died. in the czech republic, they've recorded the second highest per capita death rate in the world. some of belgium's doctors say

they have been told to keep working even if they have the coronavirus. while russian officials admit that in 16 regions health care beds are at 90% capacity. we must monitor the situation, says president putin. reports in some parts of russia say the sick are being turned away from overwhelmed hospitals. and for some weeks now, mika, the question has been why the numbers of deaths haven't been exponentially rising the same way as the infections, but there are experts warning that the numbers of deaths will follow and that because we're at the beginning of the winter, mika, what we're looking at is a longer period of coronavirus infections unless europe can get this under control and that therefore, the fatalities will be sizable even if they are spread over many months. mika. >> all right, nbc ea's keir simmons, thank you very much.

we want to turn now to yamiche alcindor who has some reporting especially pertaining to florida. i just want to add that even doctors we had on the show earlier are telling us quite clearly the numbers are headed in the wrong direction for the united states of america. >> that's right, mika and having u just come back from florida thar that st a state that the trump campaign in particular, and the biden campaign, they say that florida is their top state to watch for election night. they are very, very countncerne about florida. the president is going to have a campaign speech in tampa. joe biden is going to be in broward county, which is where i grew up. what we see here is really a battle forturnout in the state of florida. it's all about demographics and all about messaging. joe biden really needs to up his numbers specifically among black men, among puerto ricans, some

who have moved after hurricane maria and also convincing some seniors in that state to get behind him. we've seen some polls that seniors are leaning more so than they have in the past toward joe biden, but president trump the way he won in 2016 while hillary clinton did really, really well in south florida, he ran up his numbers for white voters in northern florida, so the president is very, very focused on that. we can expect the president yet again to have a message that covid is being focused on too much. this, of course, is remarkable because as you said, the cases are rising across the country. florida has been a hot spot for a long time. i hope someone will tell my mother to stop getting her nails done in florida, but it's a state that people are very anxious to leave their homes because they have had situations where the governor has had things be open, but that people are still continuously getting sick and dying. i talked to a lot of seniors while i was down there reporting, and a lot of them are still backing president trump, saying that this virus would have been out of control no matter who was president. >> yamiche, thank you very much,

and by the way, joe biden and barack obama will make their first joint appearance of the 2020 campaign this weekend. the former president and vice president will visit michigan on saturday just three days before election day. the exact location has not yet been announced. and still ahead, new polling and new numbers on early voting. we'll break down what it all says about the exact state of the race right now and more on the sharp contrasts into how donald trump and joe biden are handling the virus on the campaign trail. yesterday on the same day, the u.s. reported its highest number of new daily cases. trump continued to hold packed rallies with no social distancing, and he rails against the virus as overplayed while biden sat for a virtual briefing with health experts. "morning joe" is coming right back. smart xl grill.

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special mask. you cannot under any circumstances take it off. you have to eat through the mask. right? right, charlie? it's a very complex mechanism. and they don't realize those germs, they go through it like nothing. they look at you with that contraption, and they say that's an easy one, i'm going right through with the flu. >> on a day when the u.s. set a record high for daily coronavirus cases. for the third time in one week and on a day when nearly 1,000 deaths were also reported, dr. anthony fauci warns that this is going to get worse as president trump pokes fun at california's mask mandates. >> well, we've been here before time and again. we were here in the spring when, of course, we were getting to the point where there were a thousand deaths a day. where things continued to spike, where the president kept saying it was going to go away, that we

were just coming around the corner, that there was nothing to worry about. of course you also had the president telling bob woodward he understood how deadly this disease was, how deadly the virus was. >> airborne, no getting away from it. >> and of course, again, the president continued to assure you that the virus wouldn't come back in the fall. he said it's not coming back, and here we are with the third wave. it is back. there are almost 230,000 americans who are dead now, and they were dead -- and dr. fauci was saying we've got to do something different. dru donald trump is not going to do anything differently, he's going to continue to let americans die, and the only question is why so many americans like that policy and, really, it's a deliberate policy. we're going to be showing -- playing a clip of jared kushner who his stories we'll now record is a man responsible for at

least 100,000 dead americans along with donald trump, probably by the end of it, we'll probably blame jared kushner for having the blood of 150, 200,000 americans on him, on his hands along with donald trump because very early on in the process -- and that's, of course, if we only have 400,000 americans dying. at the very beginning part of the process where the doctors and the scientists were begging donald trump to do something to prevent this spread, what happened? they knew the truth. they knew how to do that. donald trump told bob woodward he knew how to do that, but they refused to do it, and jared kushner actually is caught on tape bragging about freeing americans from the scientists and doctors.

228,000 deaths later we actually have the perry mason moment. we actually have the person on the witness stand who is actually testifying against interests for himself and for donald trump. they deliberately, deliberately freed america from the doctors and the scientists, so by the end of this, 400,000 people will be dead, almost as many americans who died in world war ii. >> it is breathtaking, and what's so infuriating about it is the doctors told us this was coming, not a month ago, not two months ago. they told us in february and march. it's going to be bad now, and it's going to be bad again in the fall, but it doesn't have to be this bad if we take steps and mitigation. let's play the clip right now that you're talking about, joe,

of jared kushner, this is in the middle of steep rise in covid cases last spring, white house senior adviser, presidential son-in-law jared kushner telling bob woodward was the president was, quote, getting the country back from the doctors. the comment made in an april 18th taped interview with woodward while he was working on his second book about the trump presidency titled "rage." cnn obtained a copy of this tape, listen. >> the last thing was kind of doing the guidelines, which was interesting, and that, in my mind, was almost like -- you know, it was almost like trump getting the country back from the doctors, right? in the sense that what he now did was, you know, he's going to own the open-up. there were three phases. there was the panic phase, the pain phase, and then the comeback phase. i do believe that last night symbolized kind of the beginning of the comeback phase. that doesn't mean there's not still a lot of pain and there won't be pain for a while, but

that basically was we've now put out rules to get back to work. trump's now back in charge, it's not the doctors. we have like a fwoernegotiated settlement. >> so joe, trump is back in charge. that was the message. just to orient everybody, april 18th, that's six day after, remember, president trump wanted to reopen the country arbitrarily on easter on april the 12th. he said let's get it back open a couple of weeks after we had some of these shutdowns in the country. you have jared kushner saying out loud that president trump is getting the country back from the doctors. in other words, this is a political exercise. we came, we saw, we conquered. let's stop listening to the doctors now. donald trump is in charge. yeah, he was in charge, and look where we are right now as we sit at the end of october. >> yeah, and again, trump getting the country back from the doctors who, of course, doctors were just trying to save american lives. the doctors were just trying to

save the lives of a will tlot o senior citizens in florida and a lot of senior citizens in texas and arizona, a lot of senior citizens in wisconsin and pennsylvania and michigan. look at the pain right now that wisconsin is going through. look at the pain that so many people are going through. we're getting up to a thousand deaths again per day, and, mika, on april the 18th, really, almost the beginning of this, a month in, we're really a month in where america really, really was focused on -- >> mapping out the phases of this. >> he said we're now starting the comeback phase. >> really? >> let's see. the comeback phase. that was about six months ago, and here we are at the end of october just as anthony fauci told you. just as anthony fauci told the american people that the fall was going to be bad, and it

might even be worse than the spring. >> yeah. >> and here we are, and jared kushner said the comeback phase started in april, wrong again and again, hundreds of thousands of people dead since that time. >> he also said publicly by july we'd be rocking and rolling. there's so many ways in which jared kushner has shown that he's unmatched for the job that he was put in -- >> of course he's up matched for the job. >> -- and sort of the vacancy of thought that he has on many levels. i think at the beginning of the presidency he chided people he was giving a tour of the white house, we don't need to look at history. almost like we know what we're doing. we don't need to study history, but to think that this man, that this man would be put in any type of position of responsibility and be expected to understand the totality of responding to an international pandemic, and let's not stop at jared kushner. mike pence, he's head of the

coronavirus task force. what has he done except make it worse? he has all these people who tell him all these things that need to be done, and none of them get done. >> yeah. >> so he's sort of like -- what is he, screening the good information to make sure it doesn't get to the president? >> i mean, americans just keep dying. and still ahead on "morning joe," we'll bring in our panel, jonathan lemire, kasie hunt, and bob costa are standing by, their reporting from capitol hill to the campaign trail. that's next on "morning joe." ♪ - [announcer] welcome to intelligent indoor grilling with the ninja foodi smart xl grill. just pick your protein, select your doneness, and let the grill monitor your food. it also turns into an air fryer. bring outdoor grilling flavors indoors with the grill that grills for you.

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he's been given at the white house, and he brags back in april about wrestling the deadliest pandemic away from doctors and getting it back in the hands of a politician who is a reality tv host. >> joe, it's not that surprising to see bob woodward coming out with these tapes because years ago he told me to be a great reporter, you have to not only get background quotes, you not only have to get inside information, you have to really get documents, proof, save your notes, he said. save your audio recordings. try to get emails, documents that prove the story. and he also advised me and other reporters, remember to sometimes stand back and let a story grow, develop, take different turns. what's the story in april may not be the story in late october, to let things develop over time and build the sourcing. that's what he's done with his book in "rage" and that's what

we've done at the post and you and your colleagues at nbc news have done tracking this virus. the real story here is not only the spread of the virus, but the response of pruesident trump. what we're seeing is a systemic response inside this administration to always try to push the reopening, even when the scientists are saying other things, when the data points in a different direction. this is about political will power in an election year motivating almost everything within a white house. >> and of course the markets collapsing down another 900 points yesterday, covid cases are spiking, going to be heading for record highs for infections every day, jonathan lemire, the timing of donald trump's -- the timing of these things happened seem at least to show the idiocy, the negligence, the

callousness of this president and his son-in-law are catching up to donald trump at the very end of this campaign. >> certainly seems that way, joe. obviously significant mistakes and miscalculations made in the early weeks and months of this pandemic. the audio tape from bob woodward lays bare more of them. we now have a president, we're under a week until election day, who is trailing in the polls, significantly in the national polls, and pretty steadily in most battleground states too, who is facing a real uphill climb and facing a need to campaign and win states that are really suffering right now. wisconsin chief among them, but others as well. the michigans and the iowas, particularly there in the upper midwest, but not confined to there. virtually every state in the country right now is really battling a rise in infections. this is a trump campaign that is really strapped for cash, who has had real issues with fund-raising and spent an extraordinary amount of money with not that much to show for

it. therefore they're left here in the final five days unable to afford any sort of major advertising blitz, and really, the one thing they can do are these rallies that they feel like it's not just gathering people but driving coverage in local media markets. that's the one way they can reach voters and change the shape of this race. what does that mean? that means gathering thousands of people together in direct defiance of cdc guidelines with no social distancing and very few masks, exposing people to the risk of the virus, those there, even trump's own supporters he is suppor supporters he is endangering by being there and creating these images we're broadcasting on cable in media markets that are saturating these cities of people wall to wall packed in there, a frightening image for most americans particularly suburban identi

suburbanites and seniors. it's hurting him with the very voters he needs to win over to make up these deficits with a few days to go. >> mika, to jonathan's point, if you look inside some of the polling, 70% of voters in wisconsin are worried that they or someone they know will get coronavirus. they're very concerned about that. what the president's saying mocking masks and telling governors to open up their states might feel good to him at those rallies because he gets the cheers, it's not where the voters are. coronavirus is being taken very seriously by this country, if not by its president. >> that 70% number is an interesting number. that's about the same number of americans who believed that the united states would be attacked again by al qaeda after 9/11. so if you want to put into perspective how widespread that fear is, seven out of ten americans fearing that either they or their family members are going to be impacted by the

coronavirus in a negative way, that's really serious. and mika, i know that there are people that go on facebook an awful lot and get confused very easily. they think they're turning on their kitchen light, they're actually sticking their hand in a blender. they think that they're feeding their cat, when in fact, they're sticking their head in a pool. i understand up is down and down is up, but let me just explain to you these guidelines that donald trump is violating. they were not put together by a group of like drug crazed hippies in a berkeley garage. they were not put together by the trilateral commission with bill gates wearing a thorny crown made of the blood of infant children from each continent. no, they were put together by donald trump's white house. so when you hear us saying that donald trump is violating cdc

guidelines, when you hear us saying that donald trump's rallies every day are in gross violation of washington, d.c., guidelines, it's not tom hanks. it's not tom hanks putting these guidelines together. it's not bill gates. it's donald trump. these are at the end donald trump's own guidelines that he's violating. why? why? because he doesn't care whether you live or die. he just doesn't, and you know that's true. you know he doesn't care whether you die or not. he just wants to pick up a couple of votes. if you or people that you love die, well, he just doesn't care because after all, these are his own guidelines that he's breaking. it's pretty simple. by the way, hey, look down. yeah, right now.

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i'm fighting for the dreams of all americans including millions of truly amazing hispanic americans. who's hispanic? who's hispanic? they're shocked. they don't believe it. you know the polls with hispanics are through the roof. they're reporting on it. i said i never had a problem. i always liked hispanic, but they're really -- they're getting to understand me. >> i always liked hispanics donald trump points out. his message yesterday in arizona. he may have a point at least when it comes to florida when he talks about his support. both the latest polls from nbc news marist and telemundo find joe biden under performing compared to hillary clinton's 2016 showing among latinos in

florida, largely due to the president's lead among cuban american voters there. to overcome that gap, vice president biden will need high turnout from other latino groups in the state, especially from puerto rican voters. a group the former vice president leads by more than 40 points. "morning joe" producer daniella pierre bravo spoke with puerto rican voters about their priorities in this election. >> reporter: in the sprint to november, both campaigns are going after the fastest growing latino group in florida. >> you better vote for me, puerto rico. you better vote. >> here in florida, there are not a whole lot of peeuerto rics are who are going to vote for donald trump after what he's done to puerto rico. >> reporter: puerto ricans who tend to vote democrat are erasing that gap. in 2018 the difference was just 57,000 voters. >> the puerto rican vote in florida may be the single most important voting block of any

state. >> chuck roca was the architect of latino outreach. he's the founder of nuestro pac. >> he has to overcome this cuba vote. it's more conservative. they're going to vote in majority for donald trump. the way you stop that growth is you have a robust turnout with puerto ricans up and down florida. >> the i-4 corridor connecting daytona beach and tampa has been the epicenter for migration for more than a decade. tens of thousands fled there after hurricane maria. for many of them, president trump's response to that storm is on the ballot this fall. >> puerto rico was in bad shape before the hurricanes got there. >> president trump questioned the storm's death toll and reportedly held up recovery funds, a former dhs official said the president even spoke of trading puerto rico for greenland. >> david onera moved to

kissimmee florida after his home was battered in the hurricane. >> when i see may apartment, i know how to explain. i cry because i lost everything in the apartment. >> reporter: he says he's voting for joe biden in part because of trump's administration's response to maria. >> do you feel like your puerto rican community around you is actually mobilizing? are they planning on voting in november? >> i'm going to answer this question by mentioning that there's the before maria and after maria. >> she grew up in puerto rico. she's lived in east orlando since 2004. >> we were all affected by maria, not only the people on the island but also the people here. we're already stressed trying to make ends meet, already struggle and then where's the support? we didn't get any kind of support. >> reporter: others praised president trump's handling and blame any failures on puerto

rico's local leadership. >> what was needed to be done in puerto rico was done, and i believe that the president up to the point that i've seen and that i've -- that i have witnessed, he did what he had to do. >> roberto perez was born on the island and now lives in orlando. >> trump. >> joe biden y kamala harris. >> both campaigns have announced policy proposals for the island. biden's plan unveiled in central florida includes infrastructure investments and a program to forgive disaster relief loans. >> i'm not going to suggest that we sell or trade as was mentioned earlier, puerto rico. i'm not going to throw paper towels at people whose lives have been devastated by a hurricane. >> also at that campaign stop, ricky martin. >> i just have one thing to say. ♪ >> all right. ♪ >> three days later, president

trump who had long opposed more aid for the island reversed his stance and pledged more than $11 billion for recovery. >> it may be coincidental it does coincide with the big push for puerto rican voters. >> puerto ricans in florida are also responding to a more recent crisis, the coronavirus pandemic. a mother of six who works in commercial insurance voted for president trump in 2016. she is undecided this time. >> covid has swept across our nation, left people without jobs, has taken lives. those have become my priorities. >> wow. all right, thanks so much, and you know, daniella's interviews obviously talked to people that were going to biden's way, trump's way that are still indifferent, but if you look,

willie, and we were here every day after maria hit skps, and ts no way you can call donald trump's reaction to the suffering of puerto rico anything other than at best indifferent, at worse openly hostile. so i'm not exactly sure how anybody could be saying that donald trump did everything that needed to be done after maria just absolutely devastated puerto rico. >> yeah, i mean, the term gaslighting has been over used over the last four years, but my goodness, let's remember where we were after that hurricane with the throwing of the paper towels was symbolic, but it was the withholding of money and resources and attacking leaders of puerto rico that was much worse. now he wants to say no one's done more for puerto rico than i have. let's bring in the anchor of

noticias telemundo, nicole suarez. it's good to have you with us. we've been combing through these numbers of latino voters if you look across places like texas and arizona, the president has sizable leads. the fascinating state of florida, the president trump in a new poll from nbc news wall street journal this morning, president trump is up six points among latino voters largely because of his support among cuban americans. so how do you look at the state of florida and its latino vote? what's your explanation for how it plays out? >> well, i think it's easily explained by looking at florida, knowing that the latino voters in florida, we are a melting pot of so many different countries, and we do see that trump holds a strong lead among cuban american voters. he holds a lead of about 33 points, it's definitely a much higher lead for cuban americans that identified with his rhetoric against communism. when you talk to puerto ricans as you mentioned, he has a

much -- biden has a much higher lead with 43 points. so it definitely flips the script when you talk to latinos from different backgrounds. we have also seen that these campaigns are trying to canvas with columbians, with venezuelans, dominicans, puerto ricans, with so many ends of the spectrum of the latino community because they truly know that every single state, every vote in the state counts because hillary clinton won the state of florida -- trump won the state of florida by just one percentage point in 2016. >> yeah, if you're looking for the difference in this nbc news wall street journal poll this morning where joe biden is up four points, he has commanding leads among black voters. he's winning independents in doesn' double-digits. he's winning women, but it really is that latino vote that's keeping donald trump close. is it your impression that there are still undecided latino voters who are still considering which way to go and could swing this election in florida? >> i think at this point from

what i've spoken to with many people in the street, they either have made their decision and i think that division is palpable, you see everybody on the streets in the cars with their trump signs, also with their biden signs. so i think now it's really a matter of having the campaigns actually turn that enthusiasm into actual votes, and that's why we've seen that they are both president here in florida here today. >> all right, nicole suarez of telemundo. thanks for breaking down the numbers. good to see you this morning. joe, you know florida as well as anybody. you've run in florida, you've followed florida closely. as you said, you counted votes in florida in 2000. what are you looking at inside these new numbers, especially this morning, that show joe biden is running up the score among some groups that donald trump hoped he could count on, namely seniors, but latinos are keeping trump in the game here. >> and that's a question, what's going to happen with the puerto rican vote. the biden campaign knew four weeks ago, they were talking four weeks ago about their

problem in florida with hispanic voters turning out the same sort of numbers for joe biden that hillary clinton got, and they said they were having problems especially with latino men. and so that remains a challenge. that's been a big focus over the past month. you look at the numbers coming out of miami-dade yesterday, and again, it's still early voting. there's still a long way to go. democrats tend to vote more on the weekend. republicans tend to vote more on the week. we'll see what happens this weekend, but if joe biden can match hillary clinton's numbers among latino voters from 2016, then you've got to like his chances in florida. that's a big if right now, willie, because, again, that's been a question mark hanging over the biden campaign this month. but if he can, because biden is doing better in the suburbs, because biden is doing better

among educated white voters, because biden is doing better among seniors than hillary clinton did four years ago, then breaking even with his panics with hillary clinton's vote total in 2016 would make a big difference for him and might be enough to tilt the state in his direction. but again, i can't say this enough. the reason why this latino vote is so important as daniella showed us in that fantastic package is because democrats and republicans alike think this race is going to be decided by 100,000 votes or less, which means it's going to be well within a percentage point, and so every single vote counts. and again, the question, i'll just say it. the question you've got to be asking yourself is why isn't the biden campaign doing better among puerto rican voters given donald trump's horrific

response, his insulting response to hurricane maria? it still remains a mystery to me. >> yeah, we'll see how that plays out, and there's good reason vice president biden and president obama both going to be spending some time in florida over the next few days. the united states economy is trying to bounce back, but not enough to get out of a deep hole yet. the new gdp report just crossed the wires. joining us now former treasury official "morning joe" economic analyst steve ratner and nbc news senior business correspondent and msnbc anchor who follows us here every morning, stephanie ruhle. steph, start us off. what does the number look like? >> it's very good news, however, the president is touting this as the greatest economy ever that i delivered four years ago is back, baby, back better than ever. he's been buying up facebook ads for the last three days touting that.

it's really important for our viewers to understand while 33% is a positive, we are far, far away from being back. we would need to be near 50%, and while the president is making this argument, you've got half of the people who lost their jobs because of the pandemic still out of work. one out of five small businesses closed, so the president is likely going to use this strong gdp number as his closing argument, this very strong economy. and it's just not the case. for a portion of americans, for all of us sitting right here, we're doing well. we've saved more money, but if he makes this argument that we're back and better than ever, he's going to be alienating millions of americans. >> you know, steve ratner, the bottom line from this news today is going to be that the gdp grew at a record 7.4% rate. i've always accused democrats of being overly pessimistic, but there were democrats warning everybody back in the summer the way that this was setting up was that because things had gone so

badly over the first several quarters of the year that this would be set up this number would come out right before the election and give donald trump something to crow about for some time. yes, the economy is growing at 7.4%, the number looks great. it's a historic number. it comes on the heels of a lot of pain in the past and pain to come, but still, bottom lining this for the election that everybody's looking at five days from now, donald trump's going to be able to run around and saying this last quarter the economy grew at a record rate. the highest rate ever, period, end of sentence. >> that is exactly what donald trump's going to say, and it's going to be a battle between -- of the words and of the facts and of the numbers between donald trump and joe biden and their various surrogates and supporters because that record 7

p .4 increase followed a record decline in the second quarter and a smaller decline in the first quarter. to some of the points stephanie made, if you had $100 and you lost it and somebody gave you back $65, would you feel like you were well off or not well off. that's where the economy is. with this number, we've only regained 65% of what we lost in the record decline in the second quarter. and that's the narrative you're going to hear from joe biden, that we still have high single-digit unemployment, arguably even double-digit unemployment if you measure it more accurately, and we still have over 700,000 people losing their jobs every week. we had that number this morning, too. it was a little better than expected. it is still higher than the record number we ever had before this pandemic. and as stephanie said you still have many people out of work, and getting more of them back is going to get harder and harder, partly because the virus is spiking again. it's not going to help people resume trachliveling and going

events and reopening entertainment venues. from here the progress is going to be much, much slower and perhaps even worse if we can't get the pandemic under control. >> steph, steve puts important context around the new -- >> and don't forget, we -- >> go ahead, steph. >> i would also just add, don't forget that one of the reasons we saw that robust consumer spending in that last quarter was because of the stimulus payments because we had expanded unemployment, because we had the direct payments to americans, and because you saw ppp, those small business loans to small businesses enable business to hire their people back. we haven't had that stimulus in months. people have run out of money. you're not going to see that spending right now. >> so steve, the dow was down 943 points yesterday. wall street is obviously reacting to what it sees coming. it's watching europe close down again. it's watching germany have a lockdown, france a partial lockdown. what changes the trajectory of these market numbers, which, as

you know, president trump has staked everything on. he says the dow higher than it's ever been. that's the one economic indicator he continues to point to, which is now headed in the wrong direction. >> it is. it may open a bit higher today, but the trend certainly for the last few weeks has not been positive. look, the market is concern aboed about two things. one has been the lack of a stimulus agreement, and that now clearly is going to be pushed off until at least after the election. the market believes the economy needs more stimulus, and without it, i think the market will be very, very unhappy, and secondly, as you said, it's watching the virus rates in europe and seeing what's going on. back in early march when we're all talking about italy and the infection rates there, as if it was some -- and it was -- horrible tragedy, the infections rates are two and a half times. as many people as have died here that didn't have to die, you can see in the western world in particular with a different set

of cultures and a level of government control, it is very hard to navigate between getting the economy open, getting people back to work and school, and not having the virus resurge. and that's what the market is really scared about that what is going on in europe is very, very scary. >> and what the doctors here are warning us about. steve ratner, thanks so much. stephanie ruhle, thanks as well. we'll see you in just about 15 minutes. stephanies guests include peter navarro and senator bernie sanders. we'll look forward to that. coming up next on "morning joe," with five days left until the election, we will talk to three democratic candidates who are hoping to help make a bit of history next week. we'll explain ahead on "morning joe."

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drop off their ballots. we're encouraging people to be safe and reaffirming that, you know they can go out and drop off their ballots. there's a lot at stake. we have the presidential, there's a lot of local elections. the state of california has several ballots that are critical. some will create future money to resolve housing -- the housing crisis issues, and we're working hard at the end of the day making sure that we're contacting the voters and that they know that i'm the right choice for them in the congressional 53rd district. >> we should point out that you're the president of the san diego city council. you grew up not too far from the mexican border, so how strongly is immigration playing in your race right now, georgette? >> well, we have a lot of issues that are really critical, one, i mean, on top of mind is covid and the fact of the matter is that right now residents are hurting. there's a lot of small businesses that are having to

shut down their doors because of the lack of action in d.c. there's still a lot of residents that are unemployed. they need support. they have to pay at the end of the month their bills, and it's coming up, so it's stressful. yes, we're right at the border. i'm a daughter of immigrant parents, first generation, mexican immigrants that came into this country and fought very hard. and we have an administration that is attacking the immigrant community, that is separating children from their parents and families. so there's a lot that we have to do and really moving forward with the more human focus and validating the importance of the immigrant community has brought to this country and continues to bring to this country. i mean, a lot of our immigrant communities are frontline workers. and they are keeping this country alive. and we need to respond in a more humane way than what we're

seeing right now. >> gina, let's move to the state of texas. you serve as a captain in the united states air force, deployed to iraq. a lot of people are talking right now, perhaps wishfully, about texas becoming a swing state in less than a week from now. some thought it was 4 or 8 years away, but what are you seeing in your race in the 23rd district? >> hi. good morning. yes, i'm a first generation american, honored to have lived the american dream but i also worked for 15 years protecting our american dream. i served under don't ask, don't tell. so equality is absolutely on the ballot. no one should be surprised by the turnout here in texas. we're the most uninsured state in the country. it's our indicted attorney general that's in lockstep with this president to take away health care during a pandemic. we deserve better. we can have better.

and folks know that health care is on the ballot. >> john, you're running in michigan's 6th district. it's a fascinating district in that it's one of those that went for barack obama and then went for donald trump. it's a traditionally conservative district but you think health care will make the difference? tell us about it. tell us about the race. >> yeah, health care is on the ballot and people in southwest michigan know it. my opponent voted 12 times to take away coverage for people with pre-existing conditions. and he's trying to get everybody to forget about his actual voting record. he cozied up to donald trump at the early part of the administration. and now he wants everybody to try to forget about it. but the reality is that this is a swing part of the state. it supported barack obama. it just barely went for mitt romney, and folks voted for trump, but not in overwhelming numbers. this is the part where people are looking to see some change. after 34 years in office, that we're hearing from people all

across the district that maybe now is a good time to try something else. >> what's your impression, john, more broadly what's going on in the state of michigan? what's going on, on the ground in your state? the president's spent a lot of time there, still railing against the governor. >> this is what i remind everyone. you can't let your foot off the gas for a minute when it comes to michigan. that's why your support for our candidates and folks up and down the ticket make a huge difference. there's a lot of folks who were still deciding. people feel like their voices haven't been heard because the same team have been there for so long and they're wondering, are you ever going to fight for my family? we're seeing that turn the corner. we see a lot of people have significant enthusiasm for this election. but now the question is going to be, will everybody get to the polls? and that's why campaigns are

working hard over the next five days, making sure people turn in their ballot by hand or make a plan to vote on election day. >> gina, as you look at your own race in the 23rd district and extrapolate out on texas, do you believe the hopes of some democrats that even the state of texas could flip and turn blue this time? >> absolutely. again, we're seeing record turnout because we know we deserve better. but again, we've got leaders working to take away people's health care during a pandemic. and an economic crisis. we should be getting working families more help and focused on making sure our economy is as inclusive as possible. and that's why it's so important that we are making the voter contact, getting folks out to the polls, have a plan. two days left of early voting here in texas. and folks are excited about what's possible. and that starts with prioritizing the needs of working families. that starts with making sure they have access to quality,

affordable health care. >> we'll find out how it all turns out in just five days. georgette gomes, gina ortiz jones and jon hoadley, thanks for being with us. joe, we've got a couple of minutes left here. let's frame out. we're five days away. hard to believe we're coming up on the last friday heading into the last weekend before election day. where in past presidential races, things have turned. obviously, donald trump finds himself in a hole but hoping to keep it close enough, pick off a few states and even if he doesn't win outright on election night, maybe get it to the courts. >> and he's been presented now a great test. he's run the most undisciplined campaign in the history of modern american politics for a party nominee. he's just been given a gift. a 7.4 growth rate in the third quarter for the gdp. it's something, again, that a lot of people saw coming for months because the economy had

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