hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east with just four days left to vote in the 2020 presidential race, and both presidential candidates are at this hour making their final arguments of the campaign. donald trump and joe biden campaigning. only one of the candidates is

engaged in a deadly game of chicken with a ruthless virus and seemingly committed to showcasing his super spreader events in which he puts the lives of his own supporters on the line. at this hour trump has packed a rally in wisconsin, a town that woke up to this headline, quote, tired and frustrated, inside hard hit green bay icus. the entire country now tired and frustrated by the pandemic as we continue to break records of new infections and deaths. more than 90,000 new cases yesterday, a death toll that already surged pass 230,000 souls, a number that is projected to approach 400,000 people by the next inauguration day. one american is dying every 107 seconds according to a headline

in this morning's "usa today." if you listen to donald trump and his allies even in the last days of his final stretch in the campaign of a second term, all those lives amount to nothing but an afterthought. just listen to donald trump, jr. last night. >> i kept hearing about new infections. the number is almost nothing and we understand how it works. they have the therapeutics to be able to deal with this. if you look at, look at my instagram, we are out performing europe in a positive way so well because we have gotten a hold of this. >> the audacity to call 1,000 american deaths a day just nothing, and we start with our

friends. joining us former obama white house secretary robert gibbs is here, and a former health policy director in the obama white house. i have to start with breaking news for you, dr. patel, because president trump accused doctors of lying about covid deaths to enrich themselves. let's watch. >> you know our doctors get more money if somebody dies from covid. you know that, right? our doctors are smart people so what they do is say, i'm sorry, but everybody dies of covid. >> first of all, that's not true but what do you have to say to someone who is so willing to make political road kikill out

everybody -- even the doctors that worked to save his life. >> nicole, there's nothing to even say to try and rationalize it because it's clearly irrational. he has been saying this now, doctors are making it up and the deaths are not real, and not only are the facts completely opposite of that but i wish there were a world where we could actually say, oh, you know what, there's no more covid and these deaths are not coming from covid but unfortunately i have spent the day and i will be spending more days along with my colleagues in making diagnoses and claiming and pronouncing people dead, so this is absolutely the opposite. unfortunately, nicole, this is part of his last-ditch effort to try and save any amount of his president see and somehow prop gate the notion that covid is done and he put it in a memo and

it's not real and the reality is what we see in front of us, almost 100,000 cases a day, and i didn't think we would get here but here we are, and listen to his words and watch his actions. >> it's part of a strategy, robert gibbs, their strategy -- i saw that clip from don junior last night on "laura ingram", and i was appalled by her reaction as i was his words, and their strategy is to denver, colorado -- -- their strategy is to deny covid-19 exists. >> there are two people talking about a media ecosystem that reaches about 42% of america, and they will believe whatever

they here inside that media echo chamber. the rest of us, a majority of the country have been watching that media echo chamber happen for the last eight or nine months as we have seen the proliferation of this mass pandemic, and we see somebody who is not just unwilling to take the steps to get our country back into safety, they are unwilling to even acknowledge it exists. that distrust has made a majority of americans ready and on the precipice to fire that chief executive, because we know he can't only fix it but he doesn't even see it's happening. >> i want to press you on this, robert gibbs, because i saw that and i felt that there was this tragic exploitation taking place. there are people who are so lonely and so frightened about their businesses and about their kids being home at school, and

it seems -- you're right and maybe we should have been paying more attention to the big lie and the marketing of the big lie. i mean, donald trump acknowledged to bob woodward he was downplaying covid-19 on purpose as a political strategy, so he confessed to the crime. maybe we should have stared a little longer on the cover up, and fox news is very much part of the cover-up, and are you sure it's not enough, there are more people living here on planet earth that see the facts than there are people that swallowed the big lie? >> no, i definitely think there are more people that have seen the facts. there's the alternative reality over there that denies wearing a mask is the right thing to do rpblor the idea that they have got this under control or it's next to nothing, and we set a record yesterday and will today, and we will probably see the number of

cases we have as the doctor said shortly, and i have had the arguments with the higher ups at fox news, and i will tell you what they will tell you, and laura ingram, sean hannity, tucker, we can't go in and do anything about opinion programs. the challenge and the difference is they are not opinion programs, they are news programs and people are looking at them and reading them or watching them as if they are trying to get information and news. it's exceedingly dangerous. people have died as a result of misinformation across a number of spectrums, and the absolute -- the denial is -- it's terrible, it's tragic and it's deadly. it's -- i fear it's not going to get any better anytime soon. >> i have the same fear. eli, i want to show you donald trump made laura ingram, he

attacked her for wearing a mask. let's watch. >> where is laura? i can't recognize you. is that a mask? no way. are you wearing a mask? i have never seen her in a mask. look at you. oh, she's being very politically correct. >> wait, laura, you broke our deal, we promised our 40% wouldn't protect other people from our potential contagious covid germs? there was a positive person on the plane on the private charter home from the last day baiebate the notion that he would single her out as though she violated some hidden handshake agreement that our side doesn't wear masks, we're more manly than that, again, it's bonkers. >> nicole, having been to six

rallies over the last three days, i can tell you the president's supporters will laugh at these lines and then the president will tell them that, look, i am just kidding, you know, the press doesn't understand, they can't -- they don't know when i am joking or being sarcastic, and it's the casual tone after we have lost so many lives that seem off key to where we are as the country, and it may be part of an inside joke they have and the butt of the joke is the press and media and all the people that don't understand, but this is serious stuff. the president has tried to balance us and walk this tightrope, and he says i am okay with mask, and then he in that clip is saying you are so politically correct wearing the mask teasing somebody who decided to wear a mask, and it's part and parcel of the whole approach trying to act like the

pandemic is not that big of a deal at the end of the day. the president on the rally stage, what he's saying right now is it's not that bad, i got it. if i can be okay afterwards even with my 12 doctors and experimental drug cocktail, you all will be fine as well. when he says, you know, i just want my life back, we just want to go back to normal, he's not talking as if he is the president. he's trying to get the audience to go along with him and to say, you know, look, he's trying to get the audience to go along with him for this ride and forget he's actually the person that was in charge who could have done something different to contain the pandemic and shorten the pandemic by controlling it better. he's waoup he's wanting them to just identify with them and their frustrations and fatigue with the virus, and you know, it's tricky because in a sense a lot of people do feel frustration with the fact that they can't resume their lives. he's saying if biden is president, you are not going to

be anyone to have weddings or send your kids to school and a lot of people in the crowd nod along and say that's right, but there are already so many americans who had to cancel americans and kids are doing home schooling right now, so there's so much cognitive dissonance required for the president and to not see the holes in the argument. >> it's a lie. doctor, dr. anthony fauci did an interview today, and the point some scientists keep making, it did not have to be this way. >> australia has been in a position that has done extremely well. their compliance with public health measures is extraordinary. they have the entire country pulling together, universal mask wearing by everybody, and that kind of adherence to the

measures -- yesterday, just yesterday, in australia they had zero cases in a big city like melbourne. can you imagine if we had zero cases tomorrow like in new york or los angeles or philadelphia? that would be amazing. but they did it and they did it with public health practices. so when i keep talking and saying it can be done, it's not impossible, a very well developed country like australia with a big vibrant city like melbourne has actually done it. >> that is how we open everything back up, right, dr. patel? the other half of the trump lie is that we open up and die. the way to open up safely is to do what melbourne, australia did, get the virus under control and get to a point where you have zero or less than the thousands of positives like we

have in our cities a day, and then you can safely reopen. >> what is ironic about dr. fauci's words is everything he said starts with having a national strategy, a country-wide identity that we will not let this virus take over everything and we're going to do as much as possible to try and defeat it or at least hold it back. we're still in our first wave. we are in our third peak of the first wave, and we never have gone down like in australia, and australia and new zealand, they have a leadership and strategy, and what do we have? we have somebody acting like the bad teenager you don't want hanging around your children and spreading misinformation and trump is that kid you don't want your kids to hang out with, and

that's our national strategy. >> let's just pick up on that. the part of the fauci interview that was like a punch in the gut was to say that australia, they are different because they have an entire country pulling together. i think that the tragedy here and the variable that scientists didn't plan for was that we are a country incapable, it would appear, of pulling together or it's impossible to do that structurally when the head of the 42% of people that follow him and trust him for medical advice, even though it's killing some of them, is a mask denier, somebody who is heckling governors who are trying to extinguish the virus in their states. do you think the rebuke is sharp enough of what he's doing? you look at the pictures of the rally, and there's a picture of the breath coming out of president trump, and he was a patient himself, and he is gathering people on to buses.

we learned from the omaha debacle where several people complained of hypothermia, and he bussed people into the event, and he is hosing hot crowds down calling for medical support, and these are people getting sicker in the moment of a pandemic, and it's a super spreader event where they are not wearing a mask and social distancing, and tim miller made the point earlier on this week, this should be front page news everywhere, the president of the united states not only is he not participating in the cure but he's spreading the disease. >> you asked if the rebuke was sharp enough, and i heard political operatives in the last 24 hours that say they have seen polling that shows not only are the rallies not doing trump any good but they are hurting him. it's the flip side of the don junior denial. it's the making fun of people

that wear masks, if you think about the people he is trying to reach politically right now, if you are undecided in the race, and you taking this virus seriously, you are not listening to him as a public health communications specialist and you are watching his actions every day and realizing, again, he can't possibly lead us out of this mess because he won't even admit we are in the mess. we tried to do it from the very beginning. the first interview he gave with cnbc, it's all under control and will just go away. don't worry. 15 cases going to zero. if only we were at 15 cases and somehow headed to zero, but these pictures, all they are doing is everything that has been in the back of voters' minds for six months about how badly this case has been

handled, it's incap sa picture e rally, and we are watching the leader of the free world that could be leading us into the same sort of resilience in australia, and he's helping to divide the country making it you are either for public health or politically correct. >> i think the other side of that, eli, is the lean trump voter who like the defiance of everything and everyone that is normal, but maybe has a parent who is going through chemo or has a kid with asthma, or has not been able to see their grandkids or their friends because they are in a high-risk group. there is evidence, as robert gibbs said, these rallies themselves, just the spectacle of them is impeding trump's ability to reassemble the 2016

coalition. what do they say about that? they just can't control him, this is what he needs? >> right, they think, look, this worked in 2016 and it will work again. this is what he does, and they are sticking to the template right down to finishing monday night in grand rapids at a rally because that's where he was four years ago. this campaign has been managed and overseen by the president himself and when you are out there you see in watching the rallies that really the events are for him, and you see the enthusiasm he gets when he walks off the stage, and he's being cheered as he walks to the plane and the affirmation he gets from the crowd, but they are affirming some of his more self-defeating attacks on other people, and there's polling to show that the country is exhausted after four years of

this presidency, and there's polling to show that 60% of this country disapproves of the president holding rallies as the cases continue to spike across the country, and it's the narcissim that is self defeating but he doesn't know any other way. he has never expanded beyond his base of core supporters. it's undeniable they love him and they will nod their head and sing along to whatever he says, but as far as getting beyond that and broadening the base, this is a far different election than in 2016 in terms of the opponent and in terms donald trump is no longer the hypothetical, and a majority of americans think he has mismanaged. the response is the 2016 response to a very different cycle in 2020. we are going to find out if the images he is creating of the cheering crowds will mean more to people than the realities

outside of his world, the realities for people dealing with the pandemic and the words that he is saying that are just flat out false and misleading and dangerous to the public health at this point. >> that's a perfect summation. if only they were huh met klee sealed. there's word they are spreading it, and thank you for starting us off. robert gibbs is sticking around. pennsylvania by far appears to be the most competitive. plus, could 2020 be the year that the latino vote becomes the most influential voting bloc out there. our friend rosy perez joins us

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covi we're more than eight months into this crisis and the president still doesn't have a plan. he's given up. he's quit on you.

i will never, ever, ever quit. that's how we'll shutdown this virus so we can get back to our lives, a lot more quickly than the pace we are going at now. i dealt with guys like trump my whole life, and so have you, guys that have a lot more money and think they are better than you, and 1 in 6 businesses are now out of business because he won't act. i have said before i'm not going to shutdown the economy, i am going to shutdown the virus. >> shutting down the virus, that is the essence of joe biden's closing message. it's a pitch and it's not just about covid but fundamentally about reopening the economy and ending or curtailing the pandemic here, and while trump is trying to say biden is in favor of lockdowns, more

restrictions are being put in place on donald trump's watch because president trump has failed to make a plan, and the biden campaign is bringing the message to pennsylvania in the final days of the election season, a sign that the campaign thinks the whole election might turn on that one state. they are set to barnstorm pennsylvania the day before the election. joining us now, rev sharpton, and robert gibbs. rev, you are all over the country all the time. do you have a feel about pennsylvania, and trump flipped it four years ago, and then after landing in erie and saying i shouldn't be here and have to

ask for your vote, and i am not sure that's the right tone in a swing state? >> that's not the right tone at all, and people in pennsylvania do watch the national news, and he says he turned a curve, and it's not a debate between biden's program and trump's program, and it's biden's program versus fantasy. i am hearing particularly in pennsylvania a lot of people that, a, have turned against him and voted before, and i am haring people on the ground even in the african-american community which has come out a lot with this police shooting this week saying that i may not have voted in '16, but i am voting this time. i think pennsylvania can be

close but i think biden in from what i have been able to ascertain is slightly ahead. >> you know, robert gibbs, it's good to point out -- there is almost universal anxiety and that may be the one thing that unites us in the incredibly divided moment in politics, and we don't know what the result will be, and what the rev just reported is a story that data turns out, and people that did not vote in 2016 are voting, and there's a phenomenon that benefited trump last time, and let me read to you from the "los angeles times" sz. a democrat running for senate in erie said she meets democratic

supporters, among the refrain she often hears, i can't talk to you for long because i can't afford to have my neighbor be mad at me. this is some of the cultive personality that trump ushered in, we go to events and we're a gang, and we rail against the media when we go home, and don't tell anybody, but, shhh, we watch the news. do you think this is a thing, the hidden biden vote? >> yeah, i do. i think you will see pretty close elections. i am sure there's a lot of the hidden biden vote in florida particularly and maybe among senior voters, but i have no doubt -- look, politics has become really pitched in our country as you well know, and it's so polarizing. i am sure people enjoy each other's company, and as my mother used to say when we are going to relatives' house,

whatever you do, don't bring up politics. that's what i think you are seeing live large in a lot of these places. pennsylvania is really it. it's kind of the whole ball game. if you are biden, you know, you are -- you feel better about a wisconsin and michigan, and if you are trump your idea is i will win all of the states i won last time except those two, and really it's a ball game where both campaigns are focused on the winner of that state winning this race. so it's going to be -- it's going to have an out sized amount of attention over the course of the next, you know, 72 hours. >> so in that spirit, rev, i want to play the governor talking to my colleagues, hallie jackson, about what people should do if they are holding on to absentee ballots and have not mailed them yet. >> we have done everything we could conceive of to address the

potential, the possible issues that are out there. again, the best thing all of us can do is walk our ballots to the polls so that none of these things become a reality. if the republicans are going to challenge us on votes that come in late, we can do something about that. make sure we get our ballots in by 8:00 p.m. on election day. >> rev, do you view it as a forgone conclusion that republicans will almost preemptively turn pennsylvania into a 2000 florida recount situation? >> i would absolutely think that it is a forgone conclusion, particularly in the minds of many on the ground that are handling a lot of the elections, even local elections all the way up to the general presidential election. and a lot of us in the voting rights movement, i would be very surprised if they did not blatantly try to make pennsylvania florida. i think that that is why many people are trying to get a

massive turnout so they can be no doubt, the results when the polls close and all the mail-ins have been brought in by tuesday, and anything short of that i think you feed right into a plan that donald trump has no way around this in pennsylvania other than to complicate it and try to make it florida 20 years later. >> florida became florida in 2000 because there's an automatic recount that is triggered. donald trump is taking that to the trumpian version of that, robert gibbs, he's already using it on the stump speech that he plans for the supreme court to decide the outcome of the election. how is that being countered as a closing message on the other side?

>> yeah, well, i think, look, if there's one thing you can say about the trump campaign, the one single consistent message it has had for months and months and months has nothing to do with joe biden and has everything to do with the fact if they lose this election it was only because it was rigged. in some ways, and you see it in the turnout numbers we are seeing across the country, i think in some ways, it's what the rev said, it's becomes the message that has animated more democratic voters, and that's why you see the blowout numbers like in texas, and texas is getting publicity because they are more around 100%, and in georgia and in north carolina, just 86% of that. you are seeing these big blowout numbers in a lot of places. certainly some of that is the pandemic is getting people to vote early and think about it, but in a place like texas, harris county, right, one of the

biggest counties geographically in the united states of america, and when the judges said you can only have one drop box to put in your ballots, people got in their cars and sat in their cars because voting was more important. i wonder if that judge doing that is exactly what lit the fire under a lot of those people just one last time. >> yeah, it is such a good point. at this point, it's sort of over to you, america, and every action has a reaction, and i wonder if the trump side will look back and see that short of broadcasting and showcasing all of these plans to cheat may have had unintended good affects of the democracy but unintended consequences for the trump side. the rev and robert are staying with us, but we have a special appearance from my friend, rosy perez, on the next four days and what the next four years could bring.

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this moment means everything. so as a person that grew up here in arizona in a red racist arizona her whole life whose parents were undocumented growing up, the folks like

arpaio, but i knew arizona could be better and arizona could change. >> i know it's making a difference because people are getting out there and i see the numbers on the news where people are voting early, and i am, like, that's us, that's us doing that. >> latino labor core hreualitio organizers on the ground in arizona, where they are gaining the vital latino vote. joe biden is leading among them in florida, arizona and in texas where more than 9 million early votes this year smashed records surpassing the number of total votes casts in 2016. joining me, actress and activist, rosy perez. we used to have conversations on tv, and off tv, and the more colorful ones were off tv about trump and politics. what are you feeling about this

moment? what you do you think is happening outside of the latino community? what do you think is happening to the country? >> i think people are waking up, you know, and that's a good thing, nicole, because unfortunately covid has made people wake up. despite what that man is saying out on his rallies, his unprotected rallies, we know the truth. we see the headlines every single day. we see and hear the exhaustion of our frontline workers and medical workers and our emt workers. we know the truth. i hope the truth speaks power to the polls come november 3rd. the good news is over 5 million latinos already voted but we still need more. there 32 million latino voters eligible to vote this year, this year. we have the power to change the outcome of this election. we need to know that. we need to know that all the

misinformation out there, we're not buying that and we're smarter than that, and i want to talk to all the latino voters out there because there are a lot of people from different countries that came here, but the majority of the latinos here are american born, and their most important issues are health care and the economy, and covid is entintertwined with that andu can't separate the two, and what this president has done during the pandemic is shameful and near criminal. all those latinos and l, after pandemic is over we will count on him to fix the economy. he can't fix it now, so how will he fix it later when we are in a deeper hole? you know? i have friends who have small businesses and who have worked their skin and bone for the american dream and it was happening and now covid hit. it is gone. their businesses are closed.

you know, it's as if, like, if there was an avalanche coming, right, and the mayor of the town said don't worry, it's going to go away, and as the snow was coming down and smothering people and killing all the people in the village, this is what trump has done. we can't rely on him for four more years. he can't do it now. how do we expect him to do it later? it's not going to happen. i want to tell all of the latinas out there, we can have the power -- no, we do have the power, excuse me, to change the outcome of this election. we know -- we know -- i know and you know as head of your households, if you go out and vote every single member in your household will follow you and vote. we know that. that is a fact. so use your power. yes, we can, not yes, we can,

yes, she can. we will do this, nicole. it just boggles my mind how he just says it's going to be over, don't worry about it. what was the other day, he said -- i can't wait to get back to my life. really? really, trump? we can't wait either. you have not had a plan to fix this. you have not had a plan to do anything about this, except lie and deny, you know. people saying he's a macho man, that's the type of macho man i do not want to have, you know. >> i want to ask you about that. you said the disinformation. what kind of desiisinformation, what kind of lies are to the latino community from the trump side? >> one is that joe biden is a

socialist. he beat the socialists, okay? he's not somebody's trojan horse that will allow them to take over. no, this is joe biden who has been tested and tried and has come out to be a man of his word time and time again, you know, so that is just a hoodwink, a gas light that republicans -- republicans for trump, use me, because there are a lot of republicans not for trump, thank you very much, and they put that information out there because they know that's a great fear of a lot of latino americans. it's understandable. a lot of them have come from countries that had dictators and socialists. well, you know, if you are afraid of that don't vote for trump. >> that's what doesn't make sense to me. right. he's the one with the autocratic tendencies and he left puerto rico to fend for itself after a

hurricane, and he sees one to cage children as the purpose to keep migrants from coming to the country. do those issues matter or is it more of an economic focus, a beat covid focus message that matters in the last few days? >> those issues matter but it's about the economy and health care. he failed at both. i mean, there's a case at the supreme court right now to eliminate obamacare. what is going to happen to all those people who were on obamacare? it's crazy. and then all of those people who say he is such a great guy for the economy, look what he has done to the economy, and how is that working for us right now? okay? he has not done anything. he did not take the responsibility. he could have taken charge, he could have set a mandate, and he could have set out a plan and we

would not be the worst country in the world right now with our covid numbers and covid deaths. you know, he left it up to the governors. he did not step in as a true man, as a true macho man would. he did not do that, and he failed. each and every time this man has failed the american people, you know. yes, those other issues are very important, but right now during this critical time, this pandemic, right now it's the economy and health care because so many people are suffering. so many people are scared. so many people can't pay their rent. so many are on food stamps for the first time. and all of this is not getting out there and it needs to get out there because you know we are intelligent human beings and we will not be fooled. >> why do you think it's not getting out there? >> i get hysterical when i talk about this man. >> i love it. this is my last question. why do you think it's not

getting out there? >> well, i think that, you know -- i think a lot of people rely too much on social media. there's some really great people out there, and i will say hello to my hello social media friends fighting the good fight and trying to combat that, and i think social media has really done a disservice. they are not sitting down and reading "the new york times" or "washington post" and they are not taking the time to do their home work. we are better than this. we can overcome this man and eliminate him and vote him out of office. i also want to say, you know, to all of the latinas and latinos who are considering trump, i have nothing personal against you, and i don't want to ridicule you or put you down, but i just want you to do your homework and see the truth. once you do, you will be voting

this man out of office come november 3rd. >> you are one of my favorite humans in any context, but four days before the election, i don't know that there is anybody better or more succinct. >> up next, a look at the closure, president obama, out together and on the trail. that story, next. l. that story, next

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i am proud to have what i believe will be the next vice president of the united states joe biden standing beside me. >> i have ninth street. >> i'm paying for joe so don't take his money. >> i thought i was paying for you. >> this list of accomplishments and the amazing resume does not capture the full measure of joe biden. i have not mentioned amtrak yet or aviators, literally. [ applause ] >> mr. president, you have creeped into our heart, you and your whole family, including

mom. and y and you occupy it. >> the thing i have confidence in joe is your heart and character. >> this weekend former president barack obama, democratic nominee for president joe biden will take their bro-mance, their true friendship on to the campaign trail. obama hoping to give his former number two a boost in the state of michigan and another opportunity to troll his troll as the "new york times" put it this week. robert gibbs is back. so, i have always admired and even back in the days when you and i used to stand shoulder to soldier and go at, i admired your former business's political skills. he's a campaigner of his own but he seems next level in this cycle. his attacks on trump are sharper and clearer and the softer underbelly of the covid failures as rosie perez was just artsic lating.

is he enjoying this as much as he appeared to be enjoying this. >> if you see the video from the rally in philadelphia, he looks like he's absolutely enjoying this. watching the glee on his face making some of those kind of cutting remarks. you would think to yourself, boy, i haven't seen him that happy in a long time. he looked like he was thrilled. >> let me show some of that, what you're talking about. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> covid, covid, covid, he's complaining. he's jealous of covid's media coverage. if he had been focused on covid from the beginning, cases wouldn't be reaching new record highs across the country this week. >> now, i happen to know this is true. he is jealous of anything and anyone and even a pandemic that gets more attention than he does. but it is such an epic takedown

of everything that is wrong with donald trump. he's not trying to beat covid out of the public health crisis, he's trying to beat it out of the headlines. it is an unbelievably devastating attack and it happens tragically to be true. >> well, i think what you see there, look, the former president would probably normally make this an issue discussion, a comparison. health care policies. but i think he knows more than anything what really gets under trump when he talks about ratings, when he talks about his personality, when he talks about the fact that we know he's obsessed with something and he's losing in it and i think that he knows that trump is never going to get worried that his health care plan isn't what somebody else's health care plan is. but if you go into the nielson ratings, you have drawn blood. >> it is so sad. it is part of where we are, where we are. but it is so true and we'll be watching former president obama on the campaign trail this

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why minnesota? democrats won minnesota in 2016? are you concerned. >> no, i'm not concerned. we're going to be in iowa and wisconsin so i thought i would stop in minnesota. i don't take anything for granted. >> hi, again, everyone. it is 5:00 in the east. not taking anything for granted,

joe biden underscoring that message with less than 100 hours until the first polls close. the only certainty about this election is uncertainty. despite polling in key battleground states that show joe biden is ahead, including a new poll with him up six points in north carolina, doubts still swirl over whether polls are telling the complete story. adding to that, the potential legal challenges around the vote tally. worries of a high likelihood of foreign interference and a changed electorate from four years ago are keeping both sides up at night worried about the possibility of defeat. heading into the final weekend, both candidates have full schedules today. crisscrossing the midwest and visiting must win states and broadcasting different closing arguments about how they would lead the nation an this crucial moment. donald trump has been to michigan and wisconsin, on his way to minnesota which is where

former vice president joe biden is right now, set to take the stage any minute for a drive-in event in st. paul. what is evident is americans wan their ballots counted. more than 80 million people have voted early so far and that is a large portion of those who didn't turn out the last time trump was on the ballot in 2016. the question remains, which side the increased turnout is helping. "new york times" reports this, quote, both parties are succeeding in one of their chief goals this year. to motivate large numbers of infrequent voters to come off the side lines for what supporters of both nominees call the most crucial election of a lifetime. it is a goal that alluded bernie sanders during the democratic primary but with democrats united mr. biden is pulling it off and mr. trump is answering critics who said his appeal was limited to those in his base who voted for him four years ago. four years of a trump presidency

clarifying for many. a presidency susan glasser in the new yorker said, could be encapsulated in the last few days and weeks. it is self dealing, denialism, dishonesty and deflection. it is narcism and reckless and disregard for the public good and for democracy itself. there is nothing and no one he has not corrupted or tried to. even the remaining uncertainty about the election outcome is a product of trump's cynical self-serving and dangerous assault on the political system. washington could read the polls but after four years there is still no poll that could account for this president. folks, it ain't over until its over. high anxiety in the final days of the campaign is where we begin this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. jason johnson, politics and journalist from morgan state university and contributor to the agreo is back. and also with us kimberly atkins

from the "boston globe" and rick stangel, former managing editor. and all three msnbc contributors. jason, i have to ask you, susan glasser's piece seemed to capture all of the sort of sub plots of the presidency, the self dealing, the cynicism and corruption. do you think that creates as much volatility as we're all bracing ourselves for? >> oh, yeah, nicolle. i mean, think about it. if you would ask everybody in october of 2019, if you told someone in october of 2019, hey, you can't trust the post office because they pligmight be an ar donald trump, people would have thought you were crazy. but the corruption and the mend asity to stick his hand in any pie and ruin it and it made us doubt the hands in front of our faces.

it has had an impact and the reason you have so many people nervous on tuesday. because let's be honest, we would say this looks like a joe biden victory but nobody trusts that their votes will be counted and verified an that is why there is say lot of anxiety going into the election. >> and this anxiety, kim, cannot be overstated. and i've challenged some of my friends and said don't we become like them if we deny the science and the data. the pollsters in my life are much calmer than the former political operatives in my life. but i think what jason is saying is right. and if you look at trump as sort of a houdini who gets out of all of theseams, there is this win at all cost pattern that has to be recognized. >> i think that is right. i think you have to look at two things here. the likelihood of donald trump winning this election is somewhere above zero. just like it was in 2016.

and in 2016 he was able to pull that inside straight with the electal college which led to the victory and it surprised people in part because there were problems with the polling, people being underpolled and not all of the trump voters showing up. and now add to that a pandemic, unparalleled fear and concern about that, something that is touched everyone and we don't know how that will affect polling. we don't know what groups might still be underpolled at this time because they were affected by this pandemic or maybe had to lose their jobs or had to move to a different place. so i think there is reason to have that uncertainty and i think that is why the big folk right now is voting. getting people to vote, trying to ensure that the votes that people have cast will be voted, will be counted above focusing too many on polling.

i think everybody including me has ptsd from the polling in 2016. >> agree with that. i'm in the same boat. i want to say this, rick, i think at every point the democratic establishment and the trump side and media underestimated the campaign that joe biden is running and some of that is a product of the low key nature but i see a lot of hallmarks of winning campaigns in three factors. one, he's in minnesota. that is the sign of an overconfident campaign or candidate. he's going out there and asking for the vote. two, this is a campaign that no one has run for president in the modern era in an hour of pandemic in this country and really the final days are the surging peak of the pandemic so far. joe biden is sort of staying in the course, and there have to be debated inside of the campaign. the campaign by enlarge does not

leak. and three, for every sort of big moment, they have played the expectations game very wisely. they have kept expectations low and they have constantly exceeded them. who do you make of sort of the underestimated joe biden campaign? >> i think that is a really smart point. by the way, i'm not the least bit nervous or anxious one tiny bit. this is -- this is our most fantastic democratic ritual. people are voting in numbers that are never seen before. it is inspiring to see them waiting in line. yes, we should make it a lot easier to vote. but texas, hawaii, all of the states where they've already had more votes than in 2016, i'm not nervous, i'm inspired. and to your point about underestimating joe biden, look, the most critical thing here is that donald trump was unable to

turn this election away from being a referendum on him. it is not a choice election necessarily between two candidates it is a referendum on the most reckless, undemocratic leader we've had for any four-year period in american history. and so as a result, you know, joe biden is not constantly saying, hey, look at me. you've got to choose me over this guy. he's pointing the finger every day at donald trump. and the incredible failure of the trump presidency. so, they have gone right down the middle. his like ability, his lack of negatives compared to what secretary clinton had four years ago is in his favor. he's doing well among older voters and i think as everybody said before me, if turnout continues to be high, then i am -- i'll treat to you a drink on election night, nicolle.

>> all right. so since you came with your sunny disposition, i'll stick with you because i need more of it. this thing that you just talked about is a structural thing and it is always true. and i think you're getting at something. i think trump makes us doubt that which has always been true. but it is always true that when an incumbent is running they only prevail when there is a choice between two competing visions between the next years and donald trump didn't fail to make it a choice. donald trump refused to even try. donald trump can't stand for the news to be off him long enough to present a choice to the american people. and he thinks attacking aoc or the media or hunter biden is somehow showing the country a choice between competing visions. how much of this do you think is sort of testing our understanding about the way

people process catastrophic failures? i mean donald trump's hanling of covid is a catastrophic public health failure. it is a stain on this country forever. we cannot go to most countries because of what donald trump has done in terms of covid. and he's decimated our economy. the stock market, which is an indicator donald trump likes to point to, has registered some of the hardest blows and hardest hits not just in his presidency but in recent history. how much of that figures into what you feel is going to happen on tuesday, rick? >> i think that is right. i mean, the reason it is not a choice election is because donald trump has to be the bride at the wedding and the corpse at the funeral. there is nobody else. there is another choice but him. it is either a binary thing, yes, trump, no trump. and we've had so much exposure to him. so i think that is one of the things that biden is doing in terms of just saying, look, people don't like this guy and

they're going to turn out in historic numbers to vote against him. i'm going to say one other thing about alluding to what jason was talking about. yes, of course there is the old saying it is not who votes but who counts the votes but you've been through a lot of elections and the people who count the votes, the election fooofficialn the state, they're like the accountant at the academy awards. they're not the movie stars, they are don't want any glamour, they are not trying to put their fingers on the ka fingers on the scale. that is and true across the countries in america and i feel confident they'll do a good job with this election and the good faith and good intentions of people on both sides who are election officials i think will see they'll do a good job on election day and thereafter. >> all right. i've got plenty of bleak headlines but since you turned

this into an optimistic direction i'll stay there. this is former president talking to lebron james about his mom, who it sounds like he's describing her as an infrequent voter. >> my mom sent me a video today of her voting, actually. and i don't know if this is her first time voting but this is the first time she ever talked about. i believe it is her first time voting and she was so proud of herself and i was proud of her. >> you tell her i'm proud of her. >> thank you. i will for sure. >> you tell her barack and michelle give her much life and respect for that. >> absolutely. she sent me a video today leaving after she voted. she had her sticker on her chest and so dam proud of herself and so proud of her. it is a beautiful thing. so there is some change happening, man. >> lebron james as a one-man sort of voting integrity and get out of the vote operation is

again one of the most underreported stories of the cycle to me. and this message here, talking about his mom, saying i don't know if she ever voted before but telling that story, these stories matter. and people are hearing these stories in a four-day period where they have to decide whether they'll get a babysitter or go in late for work or maybe take the day off the way the lines are stacking up in a lot of parts of this country. what do you think about these conversations and is it important that the former president and lebron james are having them? >> so, nicolle, i'm going to put on both my optimist hat and my cynic hat all at the same time because i am usually wearing the cynic hat on a regular basis. lebron james has done fantastic. his protect the vote is amazing and he has a career post basketball when he decides to finish of being an organizer. you also have people like shaquille o'neal who admitted he never voted before.

and we know shaq has met president obama and snoop dogg never voted before. you have celebrities in the african-american community saying i never voted before and i i'm going to vote. that is good. the flip side is, we're seeing things in florida, we're seeing in south carolina, where early voting is 1% lower for african-americans than it was in 2016. we're seeing signs in different kinds of places that we don't know if the black vote is going to all be same day voting or if the level of suppression that we're seeing in places like north carolina, and pennsylvania are going to keep african-americans's voices from being heard. so i have serious concerns heading into the election. would you love whatever narcotic richard is on because i don't believe in the system working properly. but when i hear something like lebron james talking about his mother, i do think that is more of an untold story than we've been focus og an. there is a lot of people that i know of that are voting for the

very first time in 2020 because of the circumstances in this country and those people have never been polled before. >> well, and far be it from me to steer this into a sunnier topic so let's stay with the reasons for concern. is your theory of the case that the voters suppression in actuality is working or that the message has succeeded in discouraging the behavior of going out to vote? >> i think it is a little bit of both, nicolle. i mean, voting during the pandemic is hard. it is changing the way people have to campaign. people's ballots are being rejected so you're hearing different things of kinds. i don't think people say it doesn't matter. you had your celebrity and your lil wayne and your 50 cent. i think you have a lot of folks who are like it is a pandemic, i'm frustrating and i thought i sent it in and i didn't use the right envelope and now i'm frustrated. so that is a greater concern when it comes to black and latino voters than them

believing some celebrity at the last minute decides they like donald trump. >> i want to stay with this theme. because i have spoken, and again anecdotal reporting sometimes means nothing. i'm a fan of it because i think behind all of these stories is a bigger truth. but anecdotally i've heard from two people who know a whole lot about texas, kim, that there is something going on in texas. and again, we don't know what it is. but it is a big vote, it is a state that beto came really close to taking out ted cruz, i think within three points of ted cruz in an off year, which usually is a bigger republican year than democratic year. that sort of partisan divide has been shrinking over the last 20 years really. kamala harris is in texas today, sort of heeding the calls from activists in that state, that texas is possible. kim, what do you think it would say, because it is not --

republicans will be quick to say changing demographics and the same excuse if they lose arizona. it is a different story. texas is a big state where if donald trump's message about i'm going to hang on to my liberty and not wear a mask and it is going to land anywhere in texas. if donald trump loses texas, i think there is sort of a big rebuke of trumpism in something like that. >> i think so, too. i think if donald trump loses texas, and we also see wins among democrats in the down ballot races in texas, which is possible, even if trump wins texas, we may see big down ballot victories for democrats in this state. it is a sign of a lot of things. yes, it is a sign of a rejection of trumpism. keep in mind a lot of the messages with the focus on pandemic but for over four years where he's really, his policies are on immigration and people at

the border and children taken from their parents and that painting immigrants as dpaangers people and that doesn't generate where people deal with immigrants all of the time. it resonates more in ohio and pennsylvania. and you talk about beto o'rourke and the work he's done there, democrats since then have been trying to do that grassroots work, connecting with voters, registering voters, getting young people involved and i think what you're seeing now is dividends that have been paying off for years, those years of work, those dividends beginning to pay off and getting a lot more support, energized and active voters out of the people that democrats have done that outreach to. so i think it is a lot of things going on. ip think it is a rejection of trumpism but just energizing of the democratic base and the rejection of the republican rhetoric that just doesn't work

there. >> and before any of my democratic friends yell at me for talking about texas being possible, at least two news organizations have recently moved texas into the tossup column. i love this conversation with jason and kim and rick, i'll ask the three of you to stick around. when we conneme back, we may no know what will happen on election day, steve kornacki is joining us, the latest edition of ask steve anything is straight ahead. plus we'll hear from kamala harris. she's making her closing argument as we mentioned in texas. state democrats would just love to turn blue. and the battle for control of the senate. that fight is coming down to a handful of tight races that include georgia where the incumbent republican canceled the final debate after getting a lashing from his democratic challenger in one of the last ones. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. k break. don't go anywhere. gentle with the pens. okey. okey. i know. gentle..gentle

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we're going to change the course of the country and quite frankly the world. >> donald trump and joe biden, both trying to get out their vote with vastly different messages. as they reach out with just four days left. trump, biden and running mates, mike pence and kamala harris scheduled to make stops in all of the battleground states in the final days of the campaign. but the group of people who haven't voted yet keeps dwindling by the day. according to nbc news and target smart, more than 82.5 million americans have cast ball theots and that is roughly 16% of those that voted in the 2016 race overall. we turn to steve kornacki at big board. jason, kim and rick are all still here will jump in after i start this off. could you -- so people like you always understand why the candidates are where they are. can you just talk about the travel today and over the

weekend for each side and what it says to you about what their own polls are saying? >> sure. you just showed clip of trump in michigan. and take a look. in 2016, three states democratic that donald trump flipped, michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. and he flipped them by the slimmest possible margin. less than a point in each one of those states. and the basic reality for trump, he has vulnerability all over the place on the electoral map and joe biden has a lot of different paths to the presidency but the simplest and most direct path for joe biden is to do 0.3 points better than hillary clinton in michigan and 0.8 better in pennsylvania and 0.9 betner wisconsin. because if biden wins all three of the states he'll be president-elect. what you have in these states, these are the three strongest states for biden of the about

thele ground right now. especially true in michigan and especially true in wisconsin. this is the polling average in those states, 6.5 points for biden and then 3.5 for biden in pennsylvania. so certainly the trump campaign sees urgency. they have to hang on to at least one of these states. pennsylvania is the one they seem the most optimistic about. but when you got beyond these three, even if they hold on to one of the states here, they have so many challenges elsewhere, you could see they're hoping certainly could they get lucky in michigan late again and could the polls be wrong, or do they have more rural white supremacist than is popping up in the polls. those are the kinds of things that you see and hear to suggest possibilities. but the basic reality for trump is that he has to get a win in at least one of these states. >> you know, steve, i have a question for you. so if he can't win all of those, that was his inside straight in 2016 that got him to that

electoral college victory, is there another path that we haven't seen or paid close attention to. >> this is a starting point where you're given biden for the sake of this, all of the states hillary clinton got in 2016. the battleground, these are states trump got in '16 that look competitive and looks vulnerable. so if trump were to get wisconsin, if biden were to get wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania, 278. now, the trump people will tell you, look, they think they could play offense in a couple of states that hillary clinton won in 2016. what are toz states? there are three. number one is new hampshire. and new hampshire was razor thin in 2016. it was actually a 3,000 vote margin. problem is we've seen a fair amount of polling recently in new hampshire in the margins have been high single-digits for

biden over trump in new hampshire. the polling is not picking up on that time around in new hampshire. if trump were to pick off new hampshire, you could see it is four electoral votes and with that combination that wouldn't offset it. the other two states, we'll put that back to blue and the other two states that they talk about are minnesota. but the problem is the demographic similarities between a wisconsin, like michigan and pennsylvania, the similarities there, if trump is getting wiped out in pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin, is he really flipping and making gains in minnesota at the same time he's losing the others? that is the issue for them. and then they say nevada. and to my eye of these three states fef nevada is the one shot at flipping if he will flip any blue state. there was a poll this week that put it at six points. there is a large non-college

white population that is trump's base. but here is the thing. again, if biden gets those three states, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, and trump does pick off nevada, it is six electoral votes. biden is still at 272. so again, if biden is sweeping these three, trump needs to get a minnesota or he needs to get a nevada and the new hampshire. that is what you're kind of talking about right there. >> steve, i've got a question. and this is what has intriguing to me about texas, arizona, florida, and north carolina. these sort of cherry on top places that the biden campaign is looking at. what are the numbers for first-time voters in these places and people would skipped the 2016 election. because the political scientist in me knows that hillary clinton's difficulty was people that voted for obama stayed home for her. are we seeing signs that those

people are coming back and voting in north carolina and florida and texas, or could all of these first-time or infrequent voters be trump people who sat out in 2016? >> yeah, i mean you're looking at high numbers here of young voters. voters under 30. voters under 30 who haven't voted before. some of them just because of age, they're just turning 18 for this election and looking at a state like texas, target smart is tracking this. we've been showing some of the data. they have more than three quarters of a million in texas ballots cast so far. by voters under 30. the majority, the clear majority of those voters being first time voters. you're seeing stats similar in florida. some other states. it raises the question, if that is a democratic leaning constituency, if it is a democratic leaning, if democrats are getting encouraging numbers with groups like that right now in the early vote, are republicans saving something for

election day? is there a comparable surge and energy level, participation level among republicans that only becomes evident on election day. i see plenty of reasons to be skeptical about that but you can't know ultimately until you get to election day and see. >> steve, it is rick. that was the question i was going to ask you. so i'll make a comment and then ask a question. but editorial comment and i think you'll agree with me, people need to realize the polls in 2016 were pretty darn accurate. the national polls had hillary clinton winning the national vote by 2% and she did. those 70,000 votes in wisconsin and pennsylvania and michigan is 100th of 1% of the national vote and you could get the state polls wrong. so here is my question for you. in places where hillary clinton underperformed in 2016, where is biden over performing her and can that also compensate for something that we talked about earlier in the show, an

underperforming black vote and hispanic vote. >> it is a good question and it is a key point to keep in mind. and if you just look at a wisconsin, a michigan, a pennsylvania, if you look in the polls right now, the biggest improvement that biden has over hillary clinton is white voters. hillary clinton got absolutely wiped out among white voters in these states and elsewhere in 2016. bide is not winning the white vote but he is competitive in a way that she wasn't and these are heavily white states and that is moving the polls in his direction. and i think we need to emphasize, it is states like this, state like michigan, state like wisconsin, where there was a very big polling miss in 2016 and to be honest, in the midterm elections in 2018, a lot of midwest states, a lot of states with non-college white population, there were polling misses then too. i think that is worth keeping in mind. you're right, the national polls were pretty close in 2016. but there were some issues in

2016 and some key states and issues in 2018, i'm not predicting it happens again in 2020. there have been changes made to polling, but i do think that is a point worth putting out there. >> steve kornacki, what keeps you up at night? what do you get up up in the middle of the night and do you shoot to your producers to say did we look at this county or state. what are you jumping up and thinking about? >> it is mechanical stuff, but i'm trying to make sure that we understand looking ahead to election night in each state because this is going to vary by state. the mechanics, is this state counting mail-in ballots or same day ballots first. because there is potential here for some wide disparity and wide gaps and potentially some misdirection here in what people are seeing, where it looks like one candidate is far ahead, whether in reality the other

candidate is perfectly on pace to win. you just don't see it in the numbers yet. so i want to have a clear sense in each one of the states, the particulars we're looking at, so that i could communicate that to folks watching those numbers come in on election fight. >> those folks would include rachel and joy and brian and i who sit there and look at things and we say, kornacki, what does he know. so i appreciate that personally and as a member of the viewing public. steve kornacki, jason johnson, kimberly atkins, rick stengel, thank you so much. when we return, senator kpaamal harris is making her closing argument today in the state of texas. a it is a state democrats haven't won since 1976. but this year things might, just might be different. "deadline: white house" returns after a quick break. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. ♪

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this moment will pass. it will pass. and years from now our children and our grandchildren and others, they will look at us, each one of us, they're going to look in our eyes and they will ask us, where were you at that moment? and you see, we're going to be able to tell them so much more than just how we felt. we will tell them what we did. we will tell them what we did.

>> it was senator kamala harris with a powerful closing argument there. in battleground texas where early voters splashed records with more than 9 million ballots cast so far. more than the total number of votes cast during the entire 2016 election and that turnout is giving democrats hope to turn texas blue. the lone star state hasn't voted for a democratic candidate since jimmy carter in 1976. joining our conversation, lilly adams, advisers to the dnc war room and former communications director for senator harris and sam stein, politics editor for the daily beast. what do you think is going on in texas? >> well, look, nicolle, i think you have a potent cocktail here of failed republican leadership with donald trump at the top of the ticket on covid where there has been more than a million

covid cases in texas. you have failed statewide leadership with governor abbott who rejected mask mandates and forcing unsafe reopening and then a really enthused grassroots you're seeing turnout in the gang busters early vote numbers. one of the most important numbers is not just that a blue path to 2016 total vote but also 30% of the voters like you were talking about with steve, are new voters. these are people who didn't vote in 2016. and i think the problems that donald trump is having in texas mirror his problems across the country. not able to attract suburban voters to his coalition. >> you know, we've got joe biden just taking the stage, we're going to go to in a minute. sam stein, i said this to john heilemann on his podcast earlier and i wonder what you think of this theory. if you look at the turnout numbers one of the underreported stories that mechanically the biden campaign has done a whole

lot of things right. turning out that much early vote is not easy in a pandemic and in a lot of states you have to request absentee ballots and everybody have to hear and digest to plan their vote in a year like this. what do you make of the numbers tell us so far. we obviously don't know what will happen. >> it is a potent cocktail at 5:30 on saturday. >> it is about all of us to turn to our potent cocktails. >> in terms of where -- i've been doing reporting this whole week looking at this question, which is how did the biden campaign decide to adjust to a pandemic. it is not that easy obviously. your trured to do a lot of canvassing on the ground and you have to plow an entire boat load of resources into making digital operations work and they don't usually have to work. and i think they've done a good

job. but ultimately we complicate which is a simple thing which is we're in the age of a deadly pandemic that is getting worse. and the president has done a very bad job handling it and i think a lot of people are poet v -- motivated by that fact. and it doesn't matter where you live. including texas that had its own spike back in august. i think a lot of people are motivated to make a change and that is what is driving this, including getting involved in the political process vis-a-vis the internet. >> i think that -- and everyone is so gun shy about drawing any conclusions. we don't know how the election will end. but matt dowd knows texas as well as anyone i know, that there is something happening there. does it put joe biden and kplars over the edge. >> -- we don't know. but the voter in tex drawn to the biden/harris ticket is going

to be more drawn to the biden ticket than the trump campaign. they're been worried about arizona for many months. what do you think, sam stein, we're learning about republican weakness in a part of the country that they've taken for granted for decades. >> right. it is a great question. you know, trump in a way, his 2016 run kind of warped our nursing of what republican politics are. he built together a really unorthodox coalition which is working class white voters who felt like the political establishment and the media had looked down on them vis-a-vis the coverage of them but also the trade deals, the loss of jobs, the fact that manufactures had been hollowed out and when the traditional republican coalition wasn't really that. it was suburbanites. it is people who were more well off, people who voted largely on cultural issues, less so on economic ones.

although they won through a taxes cut. and now we're in this weird sort of change. a structural change in how the parties interact with voters. and what biden is doing is he's taking a huge chunk of what a traditionally republican voters, the suburban moms and suburbs and well educated and brings them into the democratic coalition. trump is making that up in hispanics that was not predict the early on. but as you said, it remains to be seen. this is dynamic. but we're just in a place where you can't make sweeping conclusions about the coalition that are undergrounding our politics. >> we won't be able to do that for many, days. i'm going to ask you to stick with us. let's dip into the joe biden speech and listen to him in minnesota at a drive-in rally there. >> -- of making up covid deaths so that they make more money. doctors and nurses go to work

every day to save lives. they do their jobs. donald trump should stop attacking them and do his job. [ horn honking ] folks, there is the same man who weeks ago was told we're losing a thousand lives a day, and you remember what he said? he said it is what it is. that is thoughtful. well it is what it is because he is who he is. donald trump has waved the white flag and surrendered to this virus. but the american people don't give up. they don't cower, neither will i. remember when he told -- when he did that inview and he told bob woodward he knew about the virus and how deadly it was at the end of january but he didn't tell anybody. he didn't tell those folks. he didn't tell anybody. and woodward asked him why and

on tape he said because he didn't want to panic the american people. the american people don't panic. donald trump panics. and unlike donald trump, we will not surrender to this virus. look, president trump is spreading division and discord. he thinks that he could divide us. we won't notice his failures, that is what it is all about. that is why he's shamelessly equated somali refugees, folks seeking a better life in america, contributing to this state and our country, with terrorists. an and as he did last night. we need a president that will bring us together, not pull us apart. i'll deal with this pandemic responsibly. bringing the country together. around testing, tracing, masking. it is estimated that by the leading doctors in this country

that if we just wore a mask for the next few months, we'd save over 100,000 lives of over 200,000 lives they expect to lose. dr. fauci called for a mask mandate last week. this isn't a political statement like those ugly folks over there bleeping the horns. this is a patriotic duty for god's sake. look, in his own words, as i said, the president knew back in january how extremely dangerous and communicable this disease was. and i told you, he went on and made that tape. he said the disease was easily able to spread. but he did nothing. he did nothing at all. look, folks, american people are people that are tough. and instead of talking to them

and politicizing the vaccine, he should be planning for a safe equitable and free distribution of a vaccine when it comes next year. this guy refused to provide schools and small businesses the resources and the national standards to open safely. the house of representatives already passed the money to allow schools to open safely. businesses open safely. to make sure people are paid. ladies and gentlemen, we'll bring republican and democrats together to deliver economic relief for working families, schools and businesses. as i said before, i'm not going to shut down the economy. i'm going to shut down the virus. donald trump inherited a strong economy that barack and i gave him. but guess what? like everything else he

inherented, he squandered it. but we could build back and we could build back better. with an economy that rewards work, not wealth. we could do it without raising taxes on the middle class and working families. i promise educator and the guy blowing the horn why should he pay? why should a nurse pay higher tax rates than the super wealthy? why should you pay more taxes than donald trump pays?

est he's run a shale game to avoid paying taxes. if you noticed, i've released 22 years of tax returns. he's not released one single year. what's he hiding? where is the corruption? according to trump, the reason why he only paid $750 is because he's smart. well, what does that make the rest of us to pay our fair share, mr. president? we're going to deliver tax relief for working families in the middle class, help you buy your first home, help pay for health care premiums or child care and pay for your ageing parents or be able to actually, actually pay for school. trump got a supreme court justice, first time it's ever happened while the election already started for one reason. he's determined to do what he's been trying to do for four years, destroy the affordable care act. if they get their way, 100

million americans will lose protections for preexisting conditions. complications with covid-19 will be the next preexisting condition. allowing insurance to jack up your premiums or deny your coverage and we'll be able to be charged more for the same health care as the man just because you're a woman. donald trump thinks health care is a privilege. i think it's your right. and if we all get out and vote, we'll not only restore obamacare, we'll strengthen and build on it so you can keep your private insurance, if that's what you like a choose ocr chooe a medicare-like option. lower deductibles, out-of-pocket spending, reduce prescription cost by 60%.

we'll keep the protections for people with preexisting conditions and protect social security and medicare. meanwhile, the social security administration said if donald trump said elect me again i'm going to change social security. the actuary said if the changes he puts in place occur, that social security will be bankrupt in 2023. so go home and tell your parents and grandparents just what trump is about to do. i'll protect social security, medicare and medicaid. but folks, nothing is worse that this president has done than the way he spoked about those who served in uniform. he called them losers and suckers. my son beau gave up the attorney general seat in the state of

delaware to volunteer to go to iraq for a year. he won the bronze star, the service medal. he wasn't a loser or sucker. he was a patriot. so many of you, as well. no wonder the six generals who work directly for the trump administration have left and they say he does not deserve to be the commander in chief of the united states. that's never happened to any president before. and that's why special operations commander stanley mcelderry aga mccrystal and 24 stars endorsed me saying they support me to be the next commander in chief because they trust me. and that's why the military times reported the more troops that vote for biden than trump, that's why we have to support the military.

they're the backbone of the country so let them vote and let vote for them. what donald trump fails to condemn white supremacy, we can deliver on racial justice. the season of protest has broken out across the nation. because the life and dignity of george floyd killed seven miles from here and protesting and burning and looting is not protesting. it violence clear and simple and will not be tolerated, but these protests are a cry for justice. the names of george floyd, breonna taylor, jacob blake will not soon be forgotten, not by me, not by us, not by this country because true justice is also economic justice. access to schooling, housing, access to capital, good paying jobs and financial stability. giving families of color a real

shot to own a home, start a small business, send a child to college debt free to build wealth and pass down opportunity through the generations like the rest of us have. we have to vote to ensure the full promise of this country for everyone, and finally, we have to vote to beat the challenge of the climate crisis. the west is on fire losing more forest than connecticut and rhode island combined. the midwest is flooding. here in minnesota extreme weather occurs and incurs big cost for your infrastructure, watershed is shut down, facility here and in st. paul. donald trump thinks it's all a hoax. he sure is a stable genius. he says wind power causes cancer. i say it creates jobs, minnesota

jobs. we can battle climate change. we can change the path we're on. nothing is beyond our capacity. honk your horn if you want america elite again. honk your horn if you want americans to trust each other again. >> we've been listening to former vice president joe biden rally his vote in st. paul, minnesota. lily adams, the update i heard to some of the things that joe biden tries to hit at all of his stops is this attack donald trump made today on doctors, accusing them of lying about covid for money. joe biden as soon as we went in was launching that attack saying not only has he failed but now he's accusing docs of lying. >> i mean, it's ridiculous and

just a continuation of what we've seen from him throughout the pandemic, which is that he's rejecting experts, he's attacking dr. fauci, now he's attacking doctors at large. with him, it just everybody else's fault. it's never his own. he's never taken responsibility as the country blows past 9 million cases and 225,000 deaths. it's just unconscionable and the american people are sort of fed up. >> the truth is doctors like the ones donald trump today accused of lying about covid saved his rear end. i mean, he was very, very sick with covid according to white house chief of staff mark meadows, which was the story and was nl the story and then was the story again and yet he attacks doctors for lying about covid diagnosis. >> listen, nicole, i don't think hypocrisy is the problem for donald trump. >> fair.

>> i think it's insane to attack doctors for profiting off of covid. it insane. not only is it ir reprehensible but a strictly political matter. i'm not sure saying covid front liners is a winning message. this is been with trump since get-go, which is he's in politics and he says what's on his mind at all times and a way that he thinks appeals to voters, he does appeal to a lot of voters. people find it funny and interesting and provocative and drawn to it because their enemies are his enemies. but it doesn't really appeal all that much beyond that. i think closing your campaign by saying things like doctors are profiting off of covid is really

just sort of a showing of the bigger problems of this campaign. >> to your point, it is all that you need to know. i think most people, most americans, democrat or republican are grateful with every fiber of their being to nurses and doctors and everyone who is standing inside hospitals right now as our country to unprecedented levels. lily adams, sam stein, two of my favorite, thank you so much for spending time with us today. >> we can have a cocktail today? >> it time for all three of us to do just that. thank you for letting us into your homes for another week of extraordinary news. we're very grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts now. >> hi, nicole, i know you'll sleep a lot this weekend because you could be up all night tuesday. >> i think we start sunday, right? i think i got one day off and then we're l