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good day everyone from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to weekends aalex witt. a lot going on on this saturday before the election. let's bring you up-to-date. we are down to the final weekend before election day. the campaigns are on the move in 79 hours the first polls officially close. 7:00 p.m. eastern time tuesday. in the meantime, the candidates in an all-out race tolt wire making final pleas to voters. the president is speaking right now in pennsylvania. just one of the four stops in the keystone state today. joe biden is finishing up his final swing through the midwest with back-to-back ral kniss mli michigan and joining with barack obama. the two appearing on the stage first time this election cycle and comes as early voting numbers shatter records.

more than 87 million votes cast and experts say at this rate that number may reach 100 million before election day. right now, nbc news is polling average, biden leading trump 51.7% to 43.7%. on this final weekend before the final votes we report a standout across the nation covering candidates, voting, voters and the polls. also among our guests this hour, pennsylvania's lieutenant govern john fetterman about voting and mood in the keystone state and former campaign manager jim messina why both candidates are visiting certain states and congressman democrat from new york and member of the homeland security committee on election day fears. we go to flint, michigan. joe biden will take the stage alongside barack obama soon. and hoping that having those two big names together will help.

>> reporter: alex, first, we should mention joe biden just touched down at the airport. we'll see him on his way here very shortly at the cars have filled in to the parking lot. i koshered joe biden every day on the ticket with president obama. covered him in 2012 campaign wigs the president for re-election. where did we see him? every day, day after day, week after week, month after month talking about the character, leadership quality is of barack obama encouraging them to vote for him for four and then eight years in the white house. now today we're going to see those roles reversed. it's barack obama onstage with his former running mate making the case to them why joe biden should get a chance and wipe he should replace president trump in the white house. now we saw those two onstage often in eight years. haven't really seen them, though, on the campaign trail. the pandemic declayed the opportunity for this joint appearance. one day we'll see them together on the campaign trail. up know it shows just how

important michigan is. especially as they reach out to african-american voters. talking about the role of a running mate, the role joe biden played eight years with president obama it's to testify to their character and also really defend him against attacks. seeing it also on the campaign trail in florida where kamala harris, joe biden's running mate answered criticism from the trump campaign about joe biden especially towards latino voters. listen to what she had to say. >> i know there's been, you know, folks on the other side trying to, trying to question the values that joe biden and i have. so let me just be really clear, florida. joe biden and i are proud, patriotic americans -- [ cheers and applause ] [ horns honking ] -- who share the values with the vast majority of the american people who want a president of the united states who speaks truth, who uses that platform

not to beat people down but to lift people up. >> reporter: so this event here in flint, the first two of stops today. barack obama, and joe biden, later campaigning in detroit with another special guest. stevie wonder, alex. >> okay, mike. absolutely right. joe biden touched down. also disembarked that plane and heading your way, my friend and we'll go there as well and seeing you again. turn now to nbc's carol lee from reading, pennsylvania, where the president has a first rally, i should say. this would be the second rally awaiting his arrival. four stops really in the keystone state today. what's the big focus of his message today? >> reporter: alex, the message is, turn out, turn out, turn out. the president just wants his voters to turn out. the campaign's feeling now is that there's not any voters they're going to persuade at this point in the campaign. so it's all about getting the

president's supporters out to vote. the message we've been hearing from the president at all of this campaign stops in the run-up to today. making four stops, you said, in the four areas of pa moving east 0 west saying to supporters he needs them to get out and vote to clean up this state's 20 electoral votes. a big prize for the president tuesday night and would get him closer to 270 electoral votes. what he's doing is, with his message in pennsylvania, trying to bring it back to the state's origins saying that this is a state where independence started. that been his message that he's trying to use to appeal to pennsylvania voters. listen to how he made his pitch earlier today. >> -- three days from now this is the state that will save the american dream. [ cheers and applause ] on november 3rd we're going to

win pennsylvania, and we are going to win four more years in that very beautiful white house. >> reporter: you hear the president expressing a lot of confidence in his ability to win pennsylvania, but, look, he wouldn't be here much as he is if he wasn't worried pennsylvania may be out of his reach this time around. a longtime neighbors state, know him well. highly competitive here in pennsylvania. the president trying to make this last-minute appeal. this isn't the last that pennsylvanians will see of the president. he'll make these four stops today and then return to the scranton area, where joe biden was from and born and raised part of his childhood on monday. part of the president's efforts to hit ten stops on sunday and monday in the closing days of the campaign. so that he can try to get as many voters as he can out, because his campaign feels that their best asset, they don't have a lot of money. certainly losing the money gained to joe biden and feel they can put out their best

asset, they view as president trump, to try to get the voters to turn out for him on tuesday. >> yeah. listen, a bit of an update and glad you have a warm coat on and hope you have a chair. running a bit late, departing newturn to, still at the lectern and we're monitoring him there as well. thank you. voters in arizona already casting ballots. early voting kicked off in the state within the last hour and we continue our countdown to tuesday with our reporters. vaughn hillyard, the president carried that state in 2016. polls have him trailing there. what's your take on the race given what year hearing from voters? >> reporter: yeah, alex. sorry. we have a lot less activity than others states out here. the only thing happening here, people are actually voting. again, through this weekend, you know, you've got folks here. i've talked to a great many of

them. one tell meese trump, the next tells me biden here. yet this is a swain out in arizona, a state that does not expect to see any of the four candidates over these next four days here. there are no month western swings on the docket for these candidates. meanwhile, essentially leaving it up to their ground organizers here and local organizations. we were out on the ground the last couple of days with latino coalition, labor coalition, getting out for folks to turn in early ballots, because most people here in the state received these early ballots. it's a matter whether they're turning them into to a location like here. take a listen to a few conversations i vuft had. i just had. >> i feel he's gotten a lot done for us. that -- obama didn't do, and, and the fact that he's against abortion. is a big, a big thing for me. >> i voted for biden.

as you can probably tell i'm very left-leerning. left-leaning. i was -- hurt sew tea the current president elected in the last election. >> reporter: alex, the big question we keep asking out here, did you vote for president trump in 2016? how are you voting now? he only won here by 3.5 percentage points in 2016. in polling evidence and anecdotal evidence suggests he has bled support here particularly in suburbs around phoenix. to what extent? i talked to two individuals who told me thwere disappointed in his covid response but same time cast this votes for him. was joe biden able to pull enough to win it here on tuesday? >> the one gentleman you spoke to said he voted for president obama. how did he know we were leaning

his way? his cool hair? how would you know? it is what it is. thank you. over to another battleground state. wisconsin in the final weekend of early voting as covid cases there are rising. nbc's cal perry is there with the latest from there for us. with a cool purple mask there, my friend. what about the virus? is that affecting voters enthusiasm? >> reporter: it doesn't seem to be. we've had 1.7 million votes cast here in wisconsin already. 500,000 early voting intern at centers like the one behind me. look, alex, this is where all the ptsd comes from within a democratic party. the scene of the original trauma for years ago. hillary clinton lost this state by only 30,000 votes. so democrats out there looking for just 30,000 votes. if numbers track into this election to try to get wisconsin to flip back blue. talking to people all day as they've voted. you'll hear a democratic party dream. take a listen.

>> i got to say this. i have brought five people that did not vote in the last election, i brought them to the poll. and i just met a gentleman who i told him that you can call for a ride to vote and he tried to call and couldn't get a ride, and i was nervous, but you know what? this is what was so important. i told him, i'm going to take you. i don't know this man from adam. i just brought him to the poll. how important this election is for me. now i'm going to go sanitize my car and spray it down. that's how important this election is to me that i brought a perfect stranger to the poll. >> reporter: an election with record turnout in what is a global hot spot. reading the paper this morning. what everybody's saying, pack your patience. a while to see results especially from a place like milwaukee. so many voters and a play where democrats want to win have to run up the score in places like milwaukee and madison.

alex? >> can i just say, big applause to that woman. she was terrific! taking total strangers to the polls and, yes, cleaning and making sure she had covid, a covid-safe car. a great interview thank you very much. tomorrow, just two days before polls close, join misysn for florida's role in the race to the white house and following, a preview for what you to watch on election day. then at 10:00 p.m. eastern, steve kornacki breaks down the latest polling data and all the outcome scenarios of the big board for you. all starting tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. the last weekend of campaigning. what can we precede into the choice of states, both the trump and biden teams have made for their final stops? my next guest is someone who made those very choices before.

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let's take you now to pennsylvania. clearly the president is still speaking there in newtown ahead of three more stops in the keystone stated today. joining me now, the democratic lieutenant governor of pennsylvania john fetterman. lieutenant governor welcome, sir. good to have you here. your state is getting a lot of attention from both candidates. the latest poll indicating a very tightening race there. according to the morning column, the muhlenberg college poll, joe biden leads president trump by about five points. that is wirth the margin of error, though and comes as a

pair of "new york times" articles put a spotlight on the state asking, can we trust pennsylvania's polls and can the polls get the state right? give me, sir, your take on the state of the race there? >> yeah. i think the state of the race is close. and i certainly would never make the mistakes of underestimating donald trump's popularity in pennsylvania. i can read the polls as much as anyone else can. i don't subscribe to this idea that there's, like a 90% chance of joe biden winning the way the economists put it out there. i think the president understands what he needs to do here in pennsylvania and that is to juice margins in these small counties across pennsylvania and he's doing just that with an unprecedented four campaign stops in smaller counties today in pennsylvania. that being said, the biden campaign is very energized and understands what it needs to do. nevertheless, pennsylvania is very much in play on the ground. >> absolutely.

more than just campaigning you well know. because the supreme court decided to hold off reviewing a pennsylvan pennsylvania election case leaning to a lower court ruling the much count ballots up to three days after election day. do you think the supreme court could pick back up the case on wednesday? >> i'm telling everybody. sure. if you want your vote to count for sure, get your ballot in. that's been my message. if you have a ballot, bank it today. take it 0 a drop box. don't use the united states mail. bank it in a drop box at your local elections area or a satellite location in your county. you can't trust it, you know, i don't want the supreme court to tell me if my vote's going to count or not. make sure it counts. bank it today in pennsylvania. that's it's moeessage. >> a big message. seven counties not to tally

mail-in ballots in the the day after election day. two or more other counties could follow suit. seven of nine counties including two "maybes" with more registered republicans than democrats, all nine went for donald trump in 2016. is this strictly a personnel issue? do they not have enough people to start counting before then or is there more to it? >> no. i'm certainly suspicious and a great example is cumberland county. cumberland county voted last night to start precanvassing an 7:00 on election day without any fanfare or deliberation. then on the 29th of october they just changed their mind and so what changed since then? really, there's nothing that changed other than the supreme court makeup. and there is no good logical explanation, logistically or otherwise that would explain not starting pre-canvassing at 7:00

on election day. none. >> you heard the president slamming the are pennsylvania governor tom wolf. take a listen to that. >> well, watching you, governor, very closely in philadelphia. we're watching you. a lot of bad things. a lot of bad things happened there. with the counting of the votes. we're watching you governor wolf, very closely. >> what's your response to that? do you have concerns about your state's election system? >> no. i don't. you know, desperation makes a lousy cologne. you know? no reason to say things like that. the bottom line is, that the vote by mail system in pennsylvania and our voting system at an entirety works just fine. if it wasn't for the lies and misinformation the president is fermenting, chaos, there wouldn't be any of these issues or stories and we would be sitting back waiting to see who wins pennsylvania and the election. so my message clearly has been that pennsylvania voting works.

it's safe, secure and true. we're going to have an outcome that everyone can be confident in as the true democratic will of pennsylvania. >> yeah. as we looked there. entertainment there in early voting lines. pretty talented. somebody doing a break dance or something. look -- as you look at democrats in that state. they are outnumbers in early voting. the republican 73% to 2 %. what do you make of this? will it hold or do you expect republicans to make up for this and perhaps flip the numbers at the polls on tuesday? >> i just am telling everybody, get your ballot in. i don't care what party you're in. i'm everyone's lieutenant governor in pennsylvania. that being said we have roughly 800,000 ballots out still and we're just a few days out. there's three possible lanes for those ballots. one, you bank them in a drop box. or, two, they go in the trash, or you go into a line and jam up the election day lines which

already will be long for no good reason. so if you want your vote to count and you don't have to care what the supreme court does say on wednesday, you bank it. use a drop box. and get it in. because we don't want you in line unless you absolutely need to be in line to vote. and we certainly don't want the votes going in the trash. it's, there's a very, a very clear choice now for pennsylvania voters still in possession of their ballots. >> a great conversation. thank you for your time and your message sent and received. joe biden now making a swing through the midwest with two stops in michigan today after stumping in iowa, wisconsin and minnesota yesterday. biden will spend the final two days of his campaign in pennsylvania. the state we just talked about. as the president is sprinting through almost every battleground state. joining me now, jim messina, ceo of the messina group and former campaign manager to president obama's 2012 re-election campaign. we've done it. we've done all the saturdays up

to the election. get to it this time. as you look where everybody is, right? the choices are always very calculated. why are the campaigns choosing these states as their final stops? why is biden in reliable blue minnesota and trump hitting georgia? just about locking them in, or are they worried about these states? >> well, on the democratic side you and i talked about for weeks, alex. we have ptsd from 2016 and assuming absolutely nothing. biden going to minnesota was just to do that. it was a very quick stop and being absolutely sure he had it op. it on everything else, playing straight offense. in states donald trump carried last time. in michigan in pennsylvania, in wisconsin. that's very good. trump, meanwhile is mostly on defense. not in any state he didn't carry last night. so you know, the fact that donald trump has the to send his campaign in georgia just shows

you how competitive this landscape is and shows you overall the defense that the republicans are playing. i'm really heartened to see this. i think democrats should end this campaign in the midwest. pennsylvania is the state where the winner has a 94% chance to be the president of the united states. and when you look at the early votes, you know, the great thing is you and i aren't even talking about polls, alex. makes me so happy. because 90 million americans have already voted and we know how they're voting. in the conversation you just had with the lieutenant govern beer beer -- governor is exactly what we're talking about. we know who hasn't voted and what to do to get to get those votes. >> happy about pennsylvania being the final focus by joe biden to get out the vote on election day? turn in the absentee ballots as the lieutenant govern beer talked about, get them in early. asap? you liked the focus on pa? >> i like it. i like it a lot. i like it, because the midwest

is always going to be the place where the presidency is won. i also like it because i think it's smart of him to end in pennsylvania. he's a scranton kid. you know? it's always been the reason why joe biden was the best nominee for our party. he does better in places like pennsylvania. people forget that barack obama ended his re-election campaign in iowa because it's where it started. there's good poetry, good symmetry doing it there. that's why i like ending it in pennsylvania. a rationale to his candidacy, who he is. it will remind people right before they vote he is the guy they've always thought he was. >> yeah. so we are not going to get into the national polls, because we feel exactly the same about them and their validity based on the 2016 experience. but in terms of state polls, are there any trends that you're seeing? is there anything you think the biden campaign is looking at that they might say, we got to step it up? we're concerned about --

this --? >> lots of reports about florida this week. you know, miami-dade turnout, is it high as it needs to be? i think you see, they sent president obama, their best asset there. trying to goose that a little bit. i think both sides are looking at that saying what's going on? actually the biden campaign, kind of, you have a bunch of opportunities. georgia continues to look in some ways even better that florida. so they're searcheding kamala harris there again to go get the vote there. i think they're looking at these southern states, georgia, florida, north carolina and saying, is there more stuff we need to do there? but that doesn't take the eye off the ball of the midwest. and the biden campaign were really disciplined making sure it was about the midwest. that's the easiest pathway to 270 electoral votes. >> as if they heard you. a live podium in flint, michigan. the rally getting under way.

cleaning right now the podium for the next speaker to take there. about 15 minutes or so we expect joe biden and barack obama, if they're returning on time. let me ask you about something said by david wasserman from the cook political report. there's an article out this week he says that all polls could be wrong mip know you're going to nod your head on that one. perhaps in biden's favor. what do you make of that one? >> well, what is true is dave wasserman follows house races across the country. what he's seeing is in these house races, really competitive house races, joe biden is doing markedly better than hillary clinton did in 2016. and that he thinks that some of the overall -- you know, we know in the blue states democrats will vote in report numbers for joe biden and in the deep red states republicans will vote for donald trump. but in these swing districts, his experience, the numbers he's seeing are saying joe biden is doing better. that's kind of what we're seeing

in pennsylvania as well. he's overperforming a little bit in western pennsylvania. doing a little better in pittsburgh. and you know, doing a little better in rural florida. that's always been the theory of joe biden's candidacy. if there's a surprise on the upside for democrats, it's going to be, hey, joe biden did better in suburban and rural areas than even the polls showed a little bit. >> what about the lone star state? you have nbc that is suggesting that texas may, in fact, be a toss-up state no longer leaning republican. do you buy that? from your expertise, what you're hearing across democratic circles, is it realistic to think of flipping texas blue? do you think the campaign should invest advertising dollars there? or put a lot of surrogates there? >> well, look. i just got back from texas last night. i spent two days there and the interesting thing about texas is, neither side on the ground thinks that it's really that

close. but the data people, the people looking at this data do. so that is a super interesting dichotomy. right? if you just close your eyes and pretend, just look at the data. actually look at cold, hard facts. we have already in texas more people voted than in the entire 2016 campaign three days before the election. it is likely to -- by a couple million votes exceed that. look who those people are. 30% of them, alex, didn't vote in 2016. the question, who are those people are they the non-college white voters president trump excites? are they coming in in huge numbers? or the young voters? we know it 20% of these people are young voters. are they going to completely change the dynamic? it's difficult for me to see texas in the end going blue this cycle because it hasn't been enough stuff on the ground to do it. you know, instead there weren't enough resources to really put it there, but the fact that we're just having this

discussion shows you two things. one, massive turnout and we're not exactly sure what that turnout is. and, two, a lot of people who never voted in presidential elections before. you know, just step aside from my partisan hat for a second, it's great for democracy and means the next 20 years you and i will talk about texas as a purple state in a presidential election. which you and i have never talked about before. >> absolutely. perfect timing for that texas question. given you just got back there from the lone star state. consider yourself booked for next saturday. a lot to talk about next saturday again, jim messina. thank you. for all of you looking at the screen at flint, michigan, you see a friend of this broadcast. representative dan kitty of michigmis -- dan kilty. we'll take you there as soon as the two big names get there as

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fears are growing among americans today about what might happen on election day pap new "usa today" suffolk university poll finds through of four voter are concerned about the possibilities of violence tuesday. good to see you again congresswoman. ge get right into this. see businessing boarding up, windows. preparing for possibility of unrest. do you have any concernsroundin election? has your committee discussed what could be expected? >> thank you so much for having

me, alex. you know, there's been very little information coming from the federal government to any congressional committees regarding what their plans are to ensure that there is a peaceful election day and in the days thereafter, because a lot of the rhetoric about, you know, arming and getting out in the streets is coming from the white house, and from this president specifically. now, there is a chance that we're going to see renewed protests and civil unrest again bp i know local police departments across the country have been preparing for this unrest and partly due to the disinformation and divisive rhetoric coming from this administration. the president needs to tone the rhetoric down and we know he's not going to and has refused to submit to a peaceful transition of power in the event that he loses, but i'm imploring people to just stay calm. vote early.

get your vote -- vote in person early if you can. lock your vote in. send your ballot in. hand deliver it if you can to make sure that this election result is as definitive as possible as close to election day as possible. >> yeah. one thing i know you are aware of. a real first here. the dhs agents including those from i.c.e. have been told to be ready to protect federal property in d.c. if there's unrest on or after election day. this protecting american communities task force, it's the very same one, as you know, met with backlash in portland over the summer. the agents protecting the federal courthouse clashed with protesters for months's a tremendous amount of violence and really destruction there. do you think this is necessary? do you have any concerns this could fuel further unrest? this presence? >> i mean, i think that's what the purpose is. isn't it?

it's like the, president trump saying he's putting together a 50,000-person army of what he's calling poll watchers. which are nothing more than intimidators. so it's an alarming abuse of power, i think. but we've seen it before when they -- where they reacted violently to peaceful protesters that were outside in lafayette park. just so the president could take a photo op in front of a church. this is the kind of crazy stuff i think is motivating more people to come out and vote early. look at the numbers, alex. you reported it all day. almost 9 million people voted early either in person or by ballot. i think this kind of -- it's backfiring, what the president is trying to do. actually getting people to come out earlier than maybe they would have, because of the fears that he is trying to stoke. >> yeah. absolutely extraordinary. again, projections are could be 100 million by tuesday in early voting. i want to turn to the foreign threats now with the "new york

times" reporting in the final days of voting election officials and cybersecurity experts are keeping a close eye on a range of possible ways foreign governments and other hackers could interfere. you know this details a few recent incidents including the one in georgia the russian hackers locked up a database that verifies voters' signatures's another in louisiana where the national guard was called in to stop the kraber attacks aimed at the small government offices there. from what you have been believed on and can share, what are the biggest concerns surrounding foreign election interference? are you confident that we can defend the integrity of our election? >> the sources of the attacks are very clearly russia and iran. regardless whether the white house wants to admit it or not. alex, i just proposed a bill, elections security assessment act. what it would require is the director of national intelligence, dni, to submit reports on pre-election, foreign interference threats to gogh both members of xoong and state

election officials. why is this so important? dni radcliffe a clear political ally of the president refused, stopped giving these briefings to members of congress in the leadup to the election. it's outrageous. we know russia and other foreign actors are trying to interfere in the election again. the administration 23450eneeds more transparent. americans need to feel confident in the integrity of the vote count. your vote will count as it is cast. when we talk about foreign interference we don't mean russia or iran's, to this point their ability to change vote totals. those are secure. the premiere threat of foreign interference is from information to spread lies, confuse the voter and influence who you vote for with disinformation and misinformation. i inform people in the couple days before the election make

sure your news sources are credible and verify final and don't believe everything that you see on social media. >> for sure. going to ask about your bill. are you getting a lot of support for? >> it was actually proposed four years ago by a republican. i assume once we get past the election, i think this will be one of those common sense bills both republicans and democrats can get behind. our very democracy is at risk here. if we don't take these common sense steps to depoliticize the office of the director of national intelligence so that we are getting unadulterated, clear facts about the level of foreign interference in our elections, what do we stand for as elected officials? >> what about the coronavirus relief package? is that something that you can also get bipartisan support? it's not going to happen before tuesday. that ship sailed. right? but you have to look ahead to what if joe biden wins the election?

do you think that congress will come together in a lame duck session before he were to be sworn in and inaugurated on 20th of january? or what happens with that? >> i want to believe that regardless of what the outcome is, whomwhomever wins. whomever our president is, congress gets together and hears the cries of the american people. it is desperate. more families are falling into poverty. over 17 million food insecure children are in this country. the greatest country in the world. how can we allow in a to happen? we try hard. we voted two bills out of the house basically that went to the mcconnell graveyard to die. for political reasons, i can only assume. my hope is once we get past what i hope will be a decisive victory, either way on election day, we are going to immediately take up a relief bill that we know individuals, families, small businesses, our frontline health care workers need

desperately to stay afloat or we're going to find ourselves with a level of civil unrest and falling into an economic depression we can avoid if we put politics aside. >> awfully go to see you. thank you so much. it is a rust belt state that the president took by a very slim margin in 2016 and what joe biden needs to do to clinch a victory in michigan this time around and we are awaiting the former vice president -- yes, former vice president and former president to get to the scene there. we get another look at that flint, michigan. we'll take you there soon as it starts. and a first look at first lady melania trump in west bend, wisconsin. we are monitoring that as well. making campaign stops in battle's ground states as well on this saturday before the election. sta by making the cloud easier to manage. but we didn't stop there. we made a cloud flexible enough to adapt to any size business. no matter what it does, or how it changes.

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as we await joe biden and barack obama to take the podium in michigan a look at wisconsin and our first lady melania trump talking to voters there. let's take a listen. [ cheers and applause ] >> look what we have overcome together. look at the progress we have made to ensure our kpirn continue to grow up in the safest and most prosperous nation. we now have careful safety

measures in place in every city and state. these safety measures allow our children to get back in the classroom. our careful guidelines are not only keeping people safe but allowing restaurants and businesses to open and people to start earning an income again. [ cheers and applause ] this president is focused on not just destroying the virus but creating ways for people to safely start gathering with friends again. that -- this is about mental health as much as it is about the physical well-being of people. [ cheers and applause ] and while this year has been unbelievable challenge for all of us, because also showcases our american strength and

spirit. [ cheers and applause ] it is in times like this that we will look back and tell our grandchildren that through kindness and compassion, strength and determination, we were able to restore and promise for our future. i want to take this moment to say thank you to the many amazing franklin workers who are with us today. [ applause ] thank you for all that you are doing. our administration. and listening to the first lady. clearly focusing on covid and the response by the trump administration. she was mounting a vigorous defense of his husband, defense of him and the way he handled the covid pandemic. certainly merely days and currently as well, the early days and currently.

go to nbc's monica alba standing by for us in detroit. the suburb there actually of rochester, michigan. so you're just outside detroit there. michigan, lots of play. i mean, you've got joe biden, barack obama today. i believe the president goes there tomorrow. so what what is the state of the race there this weekend, monica? >> reporter: exactly. it will be busy here in the wolverine state. they will be making these key stops here as a ploy to win back michigan and maintain the blue wall that was knocked down essentially in 2016 when hillary clinton lost michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. the polls sheer showing that biden is up by quite a significant margin. the trump campaign feels they can continue to eat away at that by having the president return here. he was in the state yesterday in

county here we with are oakland county that he lost in 2016. he will be back tomorrow for his first stop of five rallies. on monday, two of his stops will be in michigan. the president is a bit superstitious. he will hold the entire rally in grand rapids, michigan which is what he did four years ago as well. i've been talking to voters here today and a great majority of them have already voted. they turned in their ballots in last couple of weeks saying they didn't want to have to go to polls in case they were busy on tuesday. two people i spoke with who supported the president in 2016 plan to do so this year and will be going in person on tuesday. i have to tell you, being at these rallies the president likes to ask the crowd whether

they voted already and it's usually the minority who say they have. the majority plan to vote in person on tuesday. that's something republicans are really planning on that very high turn out to try to eat away at that margin that the democrats have and leading because their efforts have be so tied to the early vote. the president focusing more on turn out on tuesday. that's why he's going to be here three times in the next couple of days in that final sprint to election day. the trump campaign is feeling optimist optimistic. his path looking for narrow than the former vice president and it still exists and in large part it goes through here, through michigan. in the president is still

talking there in newtown. thank you for that. an estimated 87 million early votes already. whether many of these are counted may come down to signatures. the ones on the individual ballot as well as the ones on file when the voter first registered. the ballot signature verification process is flawed even though it's a big factor in this election. you wrote that the people verifying voter signatures are not handwriting experts yet they are the ones making these decisions just in matter of

seconds. who are these people and how much training do they have? >> these are election workers. people who sign up to work the polls to help out. some of them get some training. sometimes it's a few hours. it's not forensic signature training. they are using their subjective analysis to look at a signature that you may have made many years ago when you first signed up for your driver's license. maybe it was on your voter registration card. they are just eyeballing back and forth to see does that look like the signature on your ballot envelope. there's been studies showing people without training are more like likely -- there's some concern that genuine ballots could be tossed from this process. >> let's put up a sample test that you put up on your website in which it shows two slightly different signatures for the same voter.

the question, were these written by the same person, yes or no? they look different but, you know. let's look at ha happens when the reader chooses no inkrekd and this is from a forensic document examiner. can you explain this to us. >> that's correct. this is the hypothetical signatures. they are not appeared on a ballot. they were provide bid a professional forensic document examiner. this is a example of a signature written by the same person that can show how signatures change over time. it's because you first sign your voter registration when you're 18. you sign up for a driver's license when you're a teenager. over time your handwriting just evolves. it's kind of part of human nature. this is a very common example of how you can see there's similarlies between the two signatures but first glance you mi night not think they were written by the same person. >> elderly voters based on what you have been saying, they are

at a higher risk of having their ballots tossed. the number of reject ballots was higher than the bwinning number of votes. while it's probably a relatively small amount of ballots that we're talking about here that were cast fairly that could be rejected, it actually still could be significant. if we're talking about races where there's going to be a very close vote, it's going to come down do counting every ballot and this is one area that's it's never been tested on this scale. there's been questions raised over the years about this issue with signature verification and now for the first time, we're really putting this to the test and seeing is this a fair

process. >> yeah. it's an extraordinary piece by the both you have. i'm sorry the interview was not particularly balanced but we do have to get in a commercial break before we hear from barack obama and joe biden. ladies, thank you so much. i suggest every one get out there and read this article in the l.a. times. thank you. we're waiting for the biden/obama rally. it will begin in flint, michigan at any moment. the president still talking at his first of four stops in pennsylvania. he's running about an hour late now. we'll keep an eye on both campaigns. chase freedom unlimited, i now earn even more cash back? oh i got to tell everyone. hey, rita! you now earn 3% on dining, including takeout! bon appetit. hey kim, you now earn 5% on travel purchased through chase! way ahead of you! hey, neal! you can earn 3% at drugstores. buddy, i'm right here. why are you yelling? because that's what i do! you're always earning with 5% cash back on travel purchased through chase, 3% at drugstores, 3% on dining including takeout,

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