biden is my brother. i love -- i love joe biden and he will be a great president. now, i will admit 12 years ago when i -- when i asked him to be the nominee for vice president with me when i was running, i didn't know joe that well. we had served together in the senate, but he and i came from different places, part of different generations, but i quickly came to admire joe as a

man who learned early on to treat everybody he meets with dignity and with respect. good morning and welcome to the last "a.m. joy" before election day. i'm jonathan capehart. we are counting down the hours until polls close on tuesday, putting a cap on a voting season that's been under way for months. as you see on the screen there so far a whopping 91 million early votes have been cast, more than double the early vote at this time in 2016. but every vote matters and today is another busy day on the campaign trail where the four candidates will be crisscrossing the crucial battleground states in last minute pitches to voters. on saturday in michigan the obama band was back together complete with socially distanced elbow bump. president obama was stumping for his former right-hand man in a state he won handilily twice. for his part president trump

made four separate stops in pennsylvania, a state that a "new york times" siena college poll out this morning has him down in by 6 points. mean while, a brand-new nbc news "wall street journal" poll out just within the past hour also spells bad news for the krender commander in chief. among registered voters biden has a ten-point advantage nationally. joining me now at his legendary big board is nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki. steve, good morning. so you are at the big board. tell us what do we have to look out for? >> a couple things, jonathan. this is brand-new in the last hour u our national poll, a ten-point advantage we find for biden over trump with a couple days left. the final nbc "wall street journal" national poll just for comparison here in 2016 trump also trailed in that, but the margin in 2016 hillary clinton led by 4 in our last poll in 2016, now it is 10. in the final popular vote margin

in 2016 when the election was held clinton did vary the popular vote by two points nationally, there was still room there for trump to come through the electoral college. so a little bit of perspective on what this ten-point margin means. basically, look, there has been a lot of talk that donald trump could still win this election while losing the popular vote by a wider margin than he did in 2016. there are scenarios there where he could lose the popular vote by four, five points and still find his way through. if this is right, though, if this is what happens on tuesday, it gets very difficult in a ten-point national lead for a candidate, basically impossible to see a candidate winning the electoral college if it's ten points nationally. this is one poll two days left, this is our poll, let's see where it lands on tuesday night because, again, you mentioned it when you start looking at the electoral college math this is a must win state for trump, pennsylvania, you've seen all the attention his campaign is putting on there. another poll here, you had "the new york times" that has it at six there, here is the abc

"washington post" poll, they have it at seven. to get to 270 trump really needs to pick off pennsylvania, this is a must win. florida another must win for the president. here is an abc "washington post" poll overnight that does put trump ahead by two points in florida. there's also iowa, not a huge prize in terms of electoral votes, but this was almost a ten point trump win in 2016, this is a state where the polls have shown trump in trouble the last few weeks. this is a bit of a break from that. this is the des moines register poll in iowa, in their poll they find trump voters are coming in there. go ahead, jonathan. >> so on this poll, you know, my executive producer james is a proud son of minnesota and he's been telling me and i think you as well that there's no way donald trump is going to win -- is going to win minnesota, but when this poll came out, the des moines register poll came out and showed this swing back in the president's favor in iowa,

that set off alarm bells for him and what that could portend for minnesota. i would love your thoughts on this and does this swing in the des moines register poll for iowa give you any tea leaves to read for what it might mean for minnesota and the president? >> yeah, or i think more broadly kind of the midwest, the states where trump surged in 2016. let's call up the electoral map and take a look. iowa is one of these states -- here is the battleground, these undecided states, states that trump carried in 2016. iowa was interesting in 2016 because the swing was so dramatic. in 2012 barack obama carried iowa, it wasn't even that close in 2012, obama won it by six points. you saw a huge swing to almost a ten-point trump victory, it was particularly pronounced, sort of along the mississippi river there and, yes, you saw it bleed over into minnesota, bleed over into wisconsin, you saw it happen in michigan, you saw it happen in ohio, demographically similar areas in the midwest.

so if we play this out a little bit and just -- iowa -- if iowa were to go to trump, again, it's six electoral votes so it doesn't move that dramatically but the first state i actually think of if that des moines register poll is right i think of ohio because ohio is one that also swung big, trump won it by eight points after obama had carried it. if that dynamic is actually what's happening in iowa, it's one poll, by the way, but if it is and trump then holds on to ohio, which has also been close and then you say, okay, florida, you saw that abc "washington post" poll, very competitive but big electoral prize, if trump got that, okay, he's put a few pieces together here, you see his electoral vote count rising, then the question really does center on thee threes states, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. these two, wisconsin, michigan have been trump's weakest in the polling. you continue to see. and then pennsylvania, again, we've got two new polls in pennsylvania putting it at six an seven there for joe biden.

minnesota kind of enters to me the discussion a little bit after that because that's one that trump got close in in 2016 but didn't even carry. he lost by a point and a half. he lost by a point and a half in '16, lost by a little bit less than a point in these states. he's got to find a way trump does to pick off one of these, pennsylvania is the most logical target but he still trails there more significantly than elsewhere. just to give you a sense of it, if he did get pennsylvania, he certainly would need north carolina, georgia, texas. if he could ever pick off one of these two, but, again, the polling would have to be off in those states again, otherwise the recipe for trump would be to win all of these, hang on to everything in the southeast and then either get arizona or the other thing would be to flip nevada. nevada if there is a clinton state on this map that trump has a chance at flipping at the last minute i would say it's nevada. it could be another scenario for him. he's got to piece all of this together and, again, in the

context the national polling we don't elect by popular vote, but a ten-point gap nationally and in our final poll and we're seeing something similar in others, worth keeping in mind, too. >> i'm going to ask cindy mccain about joe biden's prospects in arizona when we talk to her later on in the show. steve, before i let you go i have to show you this tweet from keith who dressed up as you for halloween, the caption reads scariest halloween costume i could think of, steve kornacki projecting electoral college tie. so there you go. i don't know if you had a chance to see t but now you've seen it. >> i hope the scary part is the tie and not me. >> that's exactly -- it is the tie, steve. steve, thank you very much. >> thanks. now joining the conversation is former senator from missouri, claire mccaskill, a political analyst for msnbc, errin haines, msnbc contributor, kimberly atkins senior opinion writer for "the boston globe" and msnbc contributor, and rachel

bitecofer senior advisor for the lincoln project. welcome all. i'm going to go to the election forecaster first. rachel, you called it in 2018. what are you seeing for 2020 and the presidential race? >> you know, everything is lined up exactly as i forecasted back in july 1st of 2019 and that's a long time ago, right? i mean, basically 15 months and three weeks and like seven -- or five days into this forecast and all of the chips have fallen as i predicted although i would never have told you we would see all of texas' 2016 turnout come out in early vote. even my most bold turnout estimations would never have guessed that. so we really are seeing exactly what we expected to see, this massive turnout, enthusiasm, you know, a fact from trump and i'm

really excited to see what the total turnout is going to reach. i was thinking 70%, but we might actually exceed that. we might get above 70% national turnout and i think it's just astounding. >> rachel, just to be clear, because you've mentioned a couple of times that your forecast from july '19 is panning out. for those who don't know what your forecast was back in july 2019, what was it? >> well, it predicted a democratic win, right, it didn't have a nominee, but it predicted that the electoral -- >> at 9:15. >> go ahead, rachel. >> i'm sorry. already a lock for the democrats and that it would really be a solid, you know, advantage for them in the blue wall that instead competition would have shifted to the sun belt and we would be having conversations about arizona and georgia and states down in the sun belt and that the democrats would be feeling very confident, but

never neglectful about the midwest because, of course, that ptsd feeling about what happened in 2016 with the midwest would never allow the democrats to take their foot off the was and that's exactly, of course, what we're seeing play out and biden is of course closing out in those, you know, blue wall states because if he wins all three it's game over. so that sun belt of course is surplus electoral college. >> claire mccaskill, senator claire mccaskill of missouri, from your vantage point, what you're seeing, how likely is it that joe biden could put the bricks back in the blue wall of pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin? >> well, first of all, i feel really good about wisconsin and michigan. pennsylvania i'm not going to say it's a done deal, but i like our side better than theirs. let me say something about the midwest, i know something about

the midwest. yes, there was a poll last night that had trump way ahead in iowa and had joni ernst up by four. guess what, there is a really respected poll out this morning that shows trump only up by one in iowa and, in fact, greenfield beating joni ernst by the same four points that the poll last night said she was losing by. and look at the emerson poll this morning on ohio, i think that's a sleeper state for joe biden. >> wait. claire, what does the emerson poll say about ohio? >> that biden is up by one in ohio this morning. so that's a big deal in the midwest. that is a state that trump won handily, both iowa and ohio last time, and the manufacturing he promised in ohio was not delivered and those, you know, working voters in ohio know it. and then you layer on the covid problem and i just don't

think -- i know we are all panicking because of what happened in 2016, take a deep breath, realize that we are in a very strong position. let the fear motivate you to vote. let the attempts at voter suppression motivate you to vote. but i think the midwest is in much better shape than many people are saying right now. >> you know, you see in the bottom corner, right corner of your screen, this trump rally in washington, michigan. you see the crowd waving signs and moving to the beat, not also because it's gold, to the gay anthem ymca. just went up. ♪ ♪ >> i'm just going to stop grooving out to the music here. president trump will be there campaigning in waterford township, michigan, we will see

that in a little bit. errin haines, let me come to you. in addition to pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan to my mind i'm looking at georgia and the possibility of joe biden being able to be the first democrat since, i believe, '92 to win georgia. i love your insights on that and also your overall insights on what you're seeing two days before election day. >> yeah, just two days to go, jonathan. hang in there. listen, my home state of georgia is absolutely in play this cycle and you see senator harris heading back to georgia in this final stretch to make the closing argument for that ticket there. but, listen, i mean, the south has got something to say, not only in georgia, i think the mississippi senate race is something that people also should be looking at, obviously the south carolina senate race and what jaime harrison has been able to do. i mean, that nbc "wall street journal" poll i just want to go back to that for a minute,

jonathan. look at some of those numbers. a 20-point gap with women, an almost 30-point gap with seniors. what that reinforces is that the dual pandemics of coronavirus and systemic racism are absolutely on the ballot for these voters and it is what is motivating them. we have a story up on 19th news.org right now about the idea that early voting was dominated by women and the record turnout and record voter enthusiasm that rachel mentioned is being driven by the women who are being impacted daily by the reality of the coronavirus in particular, you know, i think that both of these candidates in the home stretch are leaving it all on the field. president trump was blitzing pennsylvania, joe biden is blitzing the battleground states frankly in a way that we didn't necessarily see the candidate do four years ago. you had surrogates in places like wisconsin and michigan, but he is also showing up in those places and not really taking these poll numbers for granted.

you know, but president trump is also, you know, out here in these states, he's behind, but he's making the case and saying that there's a silent majority that the polls may be missing. we are about to find out in just a couple of days. >> all right. and we were just seeing some video there. i wasn't sure if that was live or if that was memorex. s kimberly, i want to show this siena college poll of vice president leading in the battleground states, arizona, florida, pennsylvania and wisconsin where all of vice president biden's leads are outside the margin of error with the exception of florida. as we take a look at those numbers there, kimberly, your views two days before election day. >> what we are seeing here is a real narrowing of paths for donald trump in the electoral college to eek out the kind of win that he was able to do in 2016. we say -- >> how much longer until you

think he will -- >> -- in 2016. so that's not happening as easily this time as we saw steve point out, that if he loses one of the midwestern states or if he loses some of the other states in the south, even if he wins florida, even if he wins texas, it will still be very difficult for him to make it to 270. so it's a lot different. one of the things that stands out to me, jonathan, especially as we talk about efforts at voter suppression and efforts by republicans, the playbook at this point is really to try to get as few votes counted as possible among these early voters as a strategy to win. think about what has happened in places like north carolina. recall a voter id law was struck down because it targeted according to a court black voters with, quote, surgical precision. no you all of a sudden north carolina is a battleground and we're seeing the difference there where donald trump narrowly pulled it out in 2016, now you're seeing these voters

actually being able to cast their votes. so the same thing is happening in a lot of these other states including those in the south, that that is making a difference. and i think that's something that folks need to understand after this election is done when it comes to putting policy on the books, that voter -- voter access and voting reform should be one of the top things on the list because we're seeing the difference in how the changes in those laws are playing out in realtime and we're seeing the focus by republicans in many of these states to turn it back in realtime. >> time flies when you're having fun. we've got to go. claire, errin, kimberly and rachel, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. coming up, president obama and senator kamala harris are doing everything they can to turn georgia blue. that's next. ything they can to turn georgia blue. that's next. ♪

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georgia is on the minds of both campaigns today. donald trump and kamala harris

will be there to rally their supporters. former president barack obama will be in georgia tomorrow with nearly 4 million early votes already cast in georgia democrats are hoping it's a sign the traditionally red state is finally ready to turn blue. msnbc's blayne alexander joins us with more from atlanta. good morning. >> reporter: jonathan, good to see you. the fact that we are even talking about the state of georgia right now shows you how different things are now than they were four years ago. president trump won this state four years ago by about five points without making a single stop here in the peach state after he officially became the party's nominee, but this year in the final three weeks before the election he is making two campaign stops so that really shows you just how much republicans and democrats are coming here and trying to make their closing argument. on the democratic side you mentioned big names, senator kamala harris will be holding a rally later this afternoon, tomorrow former president barack obama and all of this comes on the heels of joe biden's visit

just last week. so, you know, there are certainly going to be a lot of eyes on georgia but not only for the presidential election but the fact that georgia has not one but two senate seats up for grabs. certainly very unusual. i know you will be speaking with reverend rafael war knock one of those candidates and another a different race with john osnoff. >> blayne alexander in atlanta. thank you very much. >> joining me now is one of those candidates blaine just mentioned, he is democratic senate candidate reverend rafael warnock. sorry to get tongue-tied there. >> no problem. great to be with you, jonathan. thank you so much. >> sure. let me ask you this, how important is it that both president obama and senator kamala harris are coming to georgia in the closing hours of the election? >> oh, it means one thing, georgia is the battleground

state. we really are on the verge of victory and change here in georgia and you can feel it on the ground. i'm on a bus right now, we've been moving all across this state, and -- from dalton to dublin, from marietta to macon, people are excited and there is this sense that people are hungry for change and a deep gratitude that georgia is at the center of our changing and turning the page in america toward a brighter and better future for our families. >> one of the ways that you can change georgia is to win your senate race. i'm going to put up some poll numbers. monmouth university poll shows you leading your two competitors, republican competitors, the incumbent senator kelly laugh letter at 21%, doug collins at 18%, but you won't go to the senate unless you crack 50%. are you going to crack 50%?

>> we're absolutely going to crack 50%. i don't know if it will happen november 3rd or january 5th. i'm sitting on this bus a couple blocks away from my church where normally before the pandemic i would be preaching on a sunday morning, i have had occasion to preach from that pulpit about david and goliath, i will remind you that it ended up pretty good for david. i'm running against the wealthiest member of congress, she is in the senate and a republican congressman who is a professional career politician. they're pouring millions of dollars in this race but the people of georgia seem to be responding to the message of a young man who was born in poverty, grew up in public housing down in savannah, georgia, and now i'm running for the united states senate. it means that the american dream is alive and well. it's just slipping away from too many people and i'm deeply honored that the people of georgia are giving me a hearing. i'd love to serve them in the

senate, fight for health care, voting rights and the dignity of work. >> reverend warnock your church is the historic ebenezer baptist. thank you for coming on the show this morning. coming up, senator gary peters reelection effort in michigan could be the key to stopping the grim reaper. we talk to the senator next. stopping the grim reaper we talk to the senator next. did you know that 70% of the soils on your clothes are invisible? under u.v. light, you see the invisible dirt trapped deep down.

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obama and joe biden made their first joint campaign appearance yesterday in the battleground state of michigan. donald trump just landed in michigan himself for a rally there in the next hour. it's a state trump won by a third of a percentage point in 2016. that amounts to just 10,704 votes. but with record breaking turnout expected in michigan, the calculus is changing for 2020. democrats are hoping it's a sign they're rebuilding their great blue wall. joining me now is someone who is a key part of the democrats' effort, michigan senator gary peters who is up for reelection. senator, great to see you. thanks for coming on the show. >> great to be with you, jonathan. thank you. >> how important was it, because the event happened yesterday, to have both president obama and the current democratic presidential nominee joe biden in the state and in the state yesterday? >> well, it's incredibly important. it was great to have them there,

it was great to be with them in both flint and detroit, two key areas for us here in the state of michigan. we need to turn out our voters. we certainly have some very encouraging news base on absentee ballots, close to 2.9 million of those have already been returned, but this is going to be about turnout. we've got to get every democratic voter out and having both joe biden and barack obama firing up the troops and certainly there was a lot of energy yesterday and we have to keep running and run through the tape. >> speaking of a lot of energy you can see in the bottom -- well, it just disappeared but in the bottom right corner of the screen was video, there, again, the president is rallying not too far from you there in i believe it's washington -- yes, washington, michigan. you mentioned just a moment ago that this is about turnout and michigan is key for both biden and for president trump and for you in your reelection effort that latest poll that i've seen has you -- has you in the lead. it's the abc news "washington

post" poll has you up 52% over your opponent, 46%. how confident are you that you will indeed win reelection? >> well, we always knew this would be a tight race as michigan is a battleground state as you know. we know that donald trump won here before so the republicans have come at me aggressively, they continue to do that. in fact, mitch mcconnell and his super pac has put in just in the last -- just on friday put in close to $5 million of negative nasty false ads against me, they're pouring cash in here. we've got donald trump, as you mentioned, here today, he will be coming back on monday and being in two cities as well. so republicans are all in on michigan, they're pushing hard, we're pushing hard as well, we're working to get our voters, but once again michigan will be a pivotal state for both the presidency and for the united states senate, but we're -- i'm going to be working hard right to the very end.

>> senator, how confident are you that all votes cast in michigan will be counted? >> well, i'm confident we will count those. we have absentee ballots which is a big part of this coming in and i want to remind folks we have had absentee ballots for a while. this is the first big election where we have no reason abs tease which means folks can just request it, to vote at home, that's why the numbers are up i think over 3.2 million have had requested, not all are in yet but we're confident we will get close to that number. when you think about president obama's victory in '08 which was a high water mark, that was a little over 5 million votes. we think we're going to break that record, we're going to have incredible enthusiasm, but we need to work hard and continue to push aggressively to run through this tape and i look forward to seeing a victory here, but, you know, i'm the kind of guy that just rolls up our sleeves and you work to the end. you can't take anything for granted. we certainly can't take michigan for granted, that's happened in the past by folks around the country and that's been a huge

mistake. so that's why we are all in. >> well, just two more days to go. gary peters, senator of the great state of michigan, thank you very much for being here. >> great to be with you. after a short break, two former secretaries of homeland security give us their reaction to the voter intimidation tactics already under way. keep it right here. n tactics already under way. keep it right here you're strong. you power through chronic migraine-15 or more headache days a month each lasting 4 hours or more. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine. so, if you haven't tried botox® for your chronic migraine check with your doctor if botox® is right for you and, if samples are available. effects of botox® may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away, as difficulty swallowing speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness can be signs of a life-threatening condition. side effects may include allergic reactions neck and injection site pain fatigue, and headache. don't receive botox® if there's a skin infection. tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects.

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did anybody see the picture of that crazy bus driving down the highway surrounded by like

hundreds of cars and they are all trump flags all over the place. what a group. it's like a hot -- it's like a hot thing. see, that's really number one trending. you know, this he won't put that. that's number one trending. so we're clear, the president of the united states was referencing the trump train of supporters who surrounded a biden harris campaign bus in hays county, texas and according to the biden campaign tried to run it off the road. trump tweeting about the incident writing in all caps i love texas. the texas tribune reports that the fbi is now investigating. meanwhile, in some cities businesses are boarding up in preparation for potential election-related unrest. while in graham, north carolina, police officers pepper sprayed people marching to a polling place including children. we should warn you the footage may be disturbing.

the police department said officers did not directly spray the demonstrators and the north carolina attorney general has noted that this did not impact early voting in the area. joining me now two former secretaries of homeland security, janet napolitano and michael chertoff who have launched citizens of democracy along with tom ridge and jeh johnson, a bipartisan effort to ensure integrity in the election process. secretaries, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. secretary napolitano, let me start with you. from your vantage point how concerned are you about america's election security two days out from the election? >> you know, in terms of the basic infrastructure of voting, it's very strong in the united states. the count is very secure and i just want to remind people that

it's important to vote and for their votes to be counted. that's why four secretaries of homeland security have united in their efforts. >> and, secretary -- i should say secretary napolitano, you were appointed by president obama. secretary chertoff you were appointed by president george w. bush. from your vantage point, your perspective of the -- of election security two days out. >> so i would agree with janet that i think we have a very secure infrastructure and i think we have authorities who are very alert to the possibility of some kind of interference. and the good news is very many people have voted already, which means that their votes are already cast and in the system and they will be counted. so that actually reduces the temptation for somebody to try to interfere in the voting process. i would encourage everyone to go vote, be patient, practice social distancing but i think -- and they can have a lot of

confidence that they will be able to vote and the votes will be counted. >> you know, to your point, secretary chertoff, counseling wisely the american public to be patient, but what do you say -- or how destabilizing is it when you have the potential of the president of the united states not exhibiting the patience required to see that all those votes are counted? >> well, i think we have to view that in a way as a disinformation campaign. it's designed to shake people's confidence both in the voting process and in the election outcome. frankly, it sounds quite a bit as if present company is creating an alibi for himself with the expectation that he may lose. i think at this point it's important to understand the essence of disinformation is a head game, it's a head fake and designed to make people not participate because they are afraid that something will

happen or that it's pointless. our message is very clear, when americans are faced with serious threats, whether they're domestic or overseas, we have come together and in that unity of effort we have found security and we've been able to utilize -- >> you know, there are outside influences and inside influences on our election systems. secretary napolitano, in terms of outside influences, i want to show this story from "the new york times" from october 22nd, russia poses greater election threat than iran many u.s. officials say. there is a quote iran has been involved in the spread of fake threatening emails which were made to appear as if they came from the proud boys, a right wing extremist group. another point, russian-backed hackers had penetrated the computer networks without taking further action as they did in 2016. when you read that story, what did that say to you? >> what it said to me is that

russia is still at it, they were at it in 2016, they are still at it. other countries like iran have also played a role. but that's -- you know, that's why it's important for people to go to trusted sources of information and as michael said, look, the most fundamental element of our democracy is the right to vote and for your votes to be counted. and that's what we need to focus on over the next few days. >> and then in terms of inside influences, secretary chertoff a story from nbc news from october 18th, u.s. police chiefs grapple with new election day threat, armed men at the polls. here is one, quote, here law enforcement officials believe the threats will grow as election day nears. concerns are high even in states with strict gun laws and few, if any, active militia groups. in all your time in public life and certainly public life at

that level, have you ever seen an election day where american citizens trying to exercise their right to vote have to worry about armed people at the voting booths? >> this is unprecedented, although i will point out that in 2001 we had elections shortly after september 11th and there was a lot of concern about terrorist attacks from global jihadis. it's not completely unknown. one thing i would point out, this is actually a good news story, the cybersecurity agency within homeland security, you know, both janet and i used to head as secretary, has set up a war room to work with election officials to help them deal with any physical threats or cybersecurity threats that come up on the horizon. like weiss, the fbi is working with local authorities on this. so the kind of the operational people in the u.s. government are working with local officials

again to secure elections and the more earlier voting we have the less we have to worry about someone trying to interfere with things on election day on the 3rd. >> so i just -- i'm so glad the two of you are here, you're both former secretaries of homeland security, and there are a lot of people who are watching right now who are, quite frankly, freaked out about what could possibly happen on election day, particularly election night, and then in the hours after all the polls have closed and potentially not knowing who the next president, the next declared president of the united states is. is there anything you could say to allay the concerns and fears of the american people writ large that we are about to go into something, one, we have never seen before, and two, are not terribly confident that we can see our way through to the other side peacefully. secretary napolitano?

>> look, the last day to deposit your ballots, election day, is tuesday, but ballots will continue to be received by mail, those ballots will be counted according to state law. we need to counsel patience. let the votes be counted, let the process go through to completion. you know, the smooth transition of power, should there be a biden victory, is a hallmark of american democracy and we need to all act in a way to further that process. >> secretary chertoff? >> i would agree with that and i would add i think there will be a lot of efforts, some of them just as a matter of mistake and some of them malign to play with people's heads in the period after the election to suggest that there is a problem that it's being rigged. this will come from overseas adversaries who want to undermine our democracy as well as from some domestic actors. so i think patience is

important, but more than just patience, it's a matter of courage. we have strong institutions, we have laws that have dealt with these issues before. it may not happen instantly, but it will happen. what i would suggest is people, you know, hold their powder, don't run out quickly and start to agitate. i will admit there will be some people who may try to get out and create disturbances in certain cities. i can tell you from some of the things i'm doing that the officials are very aware of that and they are taking steps, again, to reduce the risk. so the good news here is nobody is going to be surprised, the officials are preparing. i'm not saying things are going to be perfect, but i think that our resilience will show through. >> from your lips to god's ears. secretary chertoff, secretary janet napolitano, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you, jonathan. up next, karine jean-pierre

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y50i6r7b8g9sd uksd . three days. we can put an end to this presidency we have now that has quid divided the nation. three days, we can put an end to a presidency that has failed to protect this nation. three days we can put an end to this presidency that has fanned the flames of hate all across this nation. >> i will continue to fight for you with every breath in my body. and with your support on tuesday, we will show the world that for our country and for our

children and for the incredible people of pennsylvania, the best is indeed yet to come. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy." i'm jonathan capehart. it is the final country dodown. nearly 92 million americans have already voted early either in person or by mail. that is almost two-thirds of the total votes cast in 2016. all four candidates on both tickets have been out in full force making 11 campaign stops yesterday in four different states as they rush to the finish line. today the candidates continue to make their closing arguments in key battleground states. biden will be in pennsylvania, kamala harris in georgia and north carolina and biden will be in georgia where he will try to repeat his 2016 win. and the backdrop is the final

nbc news/"wall street journal" poll that shows joe biden holding a double digit national lead over president trump. joining me know, careen john pierre, thanks to see you. >> good to see you. >> and so senator harris will be campaigning in georgia today. obviously democrats are hoping to turn the state blue. do democrats have a chance at doing that? >> look, here is what i'll say, that we have been blitzing the battleground states as you just kind of laid out. we had kamala harris was in florida yesterday and texas on friday as yyou mentioned. she will be in georgia, north carolina, we had president trump

a in michigan. today joe biden is in pennsylvania. look, we are feeling good about where we are and how we're moving with our campaign, but people still have to go out and vote. we do have multiple ways to get to 270. and we're playing offense. that is a real deal here. we're playing offense. but here is a message that i have to all of the folks watching. these who have already voted and knows exactly what is at stake. we need to get off twitter, we need to call the battle ground states, folks need to call their friend, call their family and make sure that people get out and vote. that is the only way we will win. where he can make history tuesday, we can, but only if people about question out and vote.

>> in texas supporters of the president in their trump flagged emblaze edened trucks trying to ride a biden/harris campaign bus off the road. what is the reaction as we look at the video here, what has been the reaction inside the campaign? and in all my years of watching politics and covering politic, i've never seen anything like this. >> yeah. it is appalling. and like you said, we've never seen anything like this. you know, you have a president that puts up barriers in front of voters. and a party as well. they have been doing this for a long time, voter suppression. and what you are seeing is intimidation. and so here is what i say to folks. do not be intimidated. i'm sorry this is happening, but you know what is happening here is what is happening is they know if we vote, where he will win. that is it. if where e vote, we will win.

and this election is about a choice. it is about which direction do we want to take this country in. and it is about how do we get out of this hole and leadership. this is why joe biden is running. this is what a biden/harris administration will do. you think about coronavirus, you think about how this president has basically looked the other way, said it is what it is and said we're turning a corner, who is holding super spreader events right now. and does not care about doing his job and trying to stop, curtail, coronavirus and we have, you know, more than 9 million cases, more than 230,000 people in this country alone have died. and so we need to change the direction of this country. we need new leadership. we need to elect joe biden and kamala harris on tuesday. >> and as we see on the screen right now, you are talking about the super spreader cam bapaign events and we are looking at what appears to be another one, this time in washington,

michigan where the president is due to hold a campaign rally where it is cold and rainy there. >> and he is holding a super spreader event less than a month after he tested positive for covid-19. i mean, this is the type of leadership that we are seeing. and look how he is treating his own voters. this is not the leadership that we need. and this is what is at stake. we talk about what is at stake on this election, everything is at stake. our lives is at stake. justice is at stake. our democracy is at stake. and this is what we're seeing from this president who just doesn't seem to care about anybody but himself. >> and let me ask you personally, because we're talking with covabout covid ande at arm's length here, but as a member of the hash rrris campai

there have been people who have tested positive. you are the mother of a young daughter and being very concerned about her health care. talk about personally about what it has been like being on the campaign trail while dealing with covid as a campaign issue, but also personally. >> i'll tell you this, this campaign, our campaign, has been incredibly safe. we put our masks on, we social distance, we wash our hands. and when we had two folks who were -- one was a staffer, one was bart part of the flight cre senator harris took her campaign down. she took it down. the campaign. and she made sure that -- you know, we took the protocols that we needed to do. and you don't see that from the other side. the contrast couldn't be clearer. and yes, you know, you are asking me penally, yes, i'm worried and all of those things. but we are safe. we are safe.

every time we go out there, and it is not just about us and our families, it is about the voters that we are entare enter acting. joe biden says wearing a mask is being a patriot. that that's it is. this is how we do the events in a safe way, not holding super spreader events. so we are looking out again not just for ourselves, but for the people that we're interacting with. >> all right. 48 hours to go, tuesday night, where will you be? >> oh, man, tuesday night i think that i'll be like everyone else watching the results, waiting for that last final poll, right? because the only poll that matters is the one on election day. le folks, all my a.m. joy folks who i've gotten to know who watch you, jonathan, and even

that is sitting in the chair, we have to go out and vote. this is it. you guys know this. this is it. and once you vote, go out and ask other people to do it. do it safely, either over the phone, you know, make phone calls, he with cwe can do it by. but get your friends and family out to vote. >> and i think the saying that goes just do it. careen john pierre, thank you. stay safe on the campaign trail and good luck. >> thank you. joining me nowjohn pierre, . stay safe on the campaign trail and good luck. >> thank you. joining me now is cindy mccain, wife of the late senator john mccain. mrs. mccain, thank you very much for coming on the show today.

>> 2345my pleasure. >> so i tried to be as dramatic as possible because this is a dramatic moment. you are -- your husband was the 2008 republican presidential knowledge knee. you are a dyed in the wool republican. and yet in 2020, you have endorsed the democratic presidential for president. why? >> well, first of all, i am a republican as you said and i'm going to remain a republican. but this is far -- way far more than party politics now. we have a president that is simply not listening to experts, he is putting peoples lives in danger.e littled or troops by calling them losers and suckers. he doesn't have any character or anytegrity or values.

i think americans deserve bi better. that is why i endorsed joe. of course our families have known him for a long time and i know the kind of man he i he is. and so that is why i want to work for joe and he sure that he can be elected. >> i was strukd by whck by what said, that america and your family deserves better. and so i would love for you aboe the president of the united states personally attack you and your family at a shred difficult ti very difficult time in your lives. >> my husband the first time that occurred, my husband was somewhat alert and herded it heard it. so i figured is he angry, what will happen. and he just laughed it off.

and that is really what we've done. anyone that would profess do something like that is not completely right anyway. what i'm really about though is about the kind of person he is, the kind of tactics he uses. you showed a video with campaign supporters of the president trying to push a bus off the road. we've gone way beyond what we normally have done. there are tactics, but that is outrageous. it is time that we bring back the kind of civility that we deserve in the united states senate, in the white house, and within our government. and we are certainly not at that point at all right now. >> mrs. mccain, what would you say to fellow republicans who might be watching or, you know, in your campaigns on behalf of joe biden, what would you say to fellow republicans who are still

on the fence or undecided about what to do in the election? how do you convince them to follow your lead? >> well, what i tell them that i have had this discussion with several friends is that we need a president that is a president for all people. someone who works not just for democrats, not just for republican, but all people. and that is the kind of president joe would be. we also need a president that is going to be concerned and will work hard for our health and safety. joe biden has a plan for covid. as soon as he is elected, he can hit ground running with something that will help keep the country safe, make it so we don't have to lockdown and spread these things around. and more importantly, listen to the scientists. the people, the real experts on this. which is not happening right now. so -- and if i may mention one more thing too, biden would

have -- does have the kind of courage it takes to work across the aisle to listen to people of opposing opinions, talk to them, maybe not always agreethem r them, work across the aisle. the lack of birp rigpartisan ri now -- well, there is no bipartisan. and this is what we need to get anything done. and more importantly, he -- joe biden would put could you ntry before party. that is the kind of things that i remember from the past. i was in quaugwashington a very timing and we need these kinds of thingses. and the best message i can give anybody is vote vote vote. 91 million people have already cast a ballot. let's make it 100 million. >> and one last question for you. the latest battleground poll from arizona has vice president

biden up 49% as you see on the screen, president trump at 43%. do you think that vice president biden could actually carry your state? >> i do. i really do. our state has changed. there is a lot of new people moved in, a lot of young people are very active now. i think that we'll see a change in not only our party politics within arizona, but i think that the state will be blue, i really do. but i do think that it will be close. i don't think that it will be a blowout here, but i think that it will be close. >> are cindy mccain, once again, thank you very much for coming on "a.m. joy." >> you're very kind. i appreciate you having me. thank you. next up, mary trump givens u -- gives us insight into what her uncle is thinking. insight t her uncle is thinking.

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you are looking at live pictures from washington, michigan where the president of the united states donald trump has arrived for a campaign rally in a michigan town that is 42 degrees, 20-mile-per-hour winds. and a light rain. he has been joined by his daughter ivanka trump. and his son-in-law, jared kushner who both work for the president. the president will be taking the stage shortly. and when he does, we will pop into hear what he has to say. but in the meantime, let's turn to someone else who has something to say. her name is mary trump, psychologist and author of "too much and never enough, how my family created the world's most dangerous man" and niece to

donald trump. mary trump, welcome to the show. >> it is great to be here. >> and so as i said, fair warning, at some point we'll have to jump in while we're talking about the president, but in the last 48 hours of this presidential campaign, what are your thoughts right now, what do you think your uncle is thinking about right now? >> well, i think he is thinking about the fact that bunch of people will be cheering for him. you know, he is a man who kind of lives of in the moment and if he can convince a bunch of strangers to put their lives in danger in order to support him, he will consider that win. outside of that, i imagine that he is feeling quite desperate as he should. but more to the point, these aren't rallies. these are super spreader events.

we have data that show the number of infections and number of deaths that can be directed related to attendance at one of these things. so what he says, and we know that he will lie, all of that is irrelevant. we're looking at a person who is putting his own people -- and these are his supporter, he doesn't consider the rest of us as people. these are his supporters. he is putting them at risk and for what? >> you know, you said that he is feeling quite desperate. as a psychologist, if you have a patient come in and you notice that they were feeling quite desperate, what would be among your concerns of what they would do to alleviate that desperation? >> well, if it is somebody like donald, my concern is that he is going to do anything he can to alleviate the desperation and

unfortunately, he has considerable power at his disposal in order to change the subject, muddy the waters, and create the kinds of chaos that are going to potentially put our elections in disarray. and that is the last thing this country needs right now. >> and so to that point, do you think that your uncle would go full authoritarian? i mean, it is one thing to have the power at your disposal, it is another thing to actually use to overturn democracy and american democracy. >> i put together a panel 6 experts a few days ago to talk about these very issues. these are people who have expertise inof experts a few days ago to talk about these very issues. these are people who have expertise in law, in thehe juste

department, clinical psychology. and the message is that donald trump has done everything in his power to dismantle every institution that comprises this country and the bottom line is we are looking at an authoritarian state here if he is allowed to continue unimpeded. that message is clear and we need to start listening to people with that message. so we have the information we need going forward. donald is desperate, yes, but he also understands that if he cannot get four more years in the oval office, there is a rick conning coming and he will a vow that as all cost and he will use all the of us including his supporters as we see in order to get off the hook. >> and we're looking at live pictures from washington,

michigan. taking the stage is ivanka, trump. the president's daughter. she also works for the president in the white house. she is going to the podium. we'll take a listen to what she has to say. >> hello, michigan. you are absolutely amazing. and i have to say, i have loved and respected my father my entire life. but it has been the honor of a life to see him fight, serve and lead the amazing people of this country. [ cheers ] you know, i have found that people fight the hardest for that which they love the most. and that is you and that is the united states of america and that is who president trump fights for every single day. he goes to the mat for you, for

your -- >> you are looking at live pictures from washington, michl mitch. ivanka trump speaking to the crowd. it is 42 degrees there. 20-mile-per-hour winds. s if mary, i want to get your reaction to something that your uncle said in pennsylvania yesterday. take a listen. >> anybody see the picture of the crazy bus surrounded by 100 cars? trump flags all over the place. what a group. it is like a hot thing. see, that is it really number one trending. they won't put that, but that is numbering one trending. >> mary, he is talking about really a disturbing incident where supporters of his were trying gd to rtry ing to run a biden/harris bus off the road. >> as if my blood pressure weren't high enough. thank you.

>> that's what i'm here for, mary. >> that's okay. we all have to do our part. he is vile. he is actickley calbeing a alas differencely calling on a alaska differencely calling o this is so dangerous. he is doing the same thing with his arm supporters to go watch the polls. is it can't it can't be clearer. i know some people are in-reach only, but some aren't. but please understand that he will allow violence to be committed in his name in order to take this election.

he knows he can't wicn it legitimately. >> and year seeing president trump and position maalso mark i think i saw also owe prior'br the president. and he is xwleeting tgreeting t supporters band you saw that the crowd is all wearing masks.and crowd is all wearing masks. gee ahe go ahead, mary. >> he is mocking them. he has a ride out there have but they will be stranded because they don't care. they are using these people as props. these people are allowing themselves to be used as prop s

and i'm not sure how effective a mask can be when nobody else is wearing one and you are standing 6 inches apart. >> and so the president did a rally in nebraska in omaha if memory serves, he left bud his suppo but his supporters were still trying to get home after three hours from their cars being parked miles away. so do where he stay with these pictures? okay. we'll stay with the pictures.e pictures? okay. we'll stay with the pictures. the president is about to speak. president trump. ♪ [ cheers ] >> usa, usa, usa, usa!

>> does 234ib haveanybody a coa? this is definitely 234509 tnot t one. hello, michigan. thank you very much for four years ago, but i gave you a lot of auto plants. so i think that we're even, right? and we have a lot more moving in. a lot more moving in. >> we love you, we love you, we love you, we love you! >> i love you too. if i didn't, be i weebts i wou standing here. because it is freezing. we're down to two days. two days from now, we are going to quinn the sta win the state of minnesota again. again.

michigan again. and we will win four more years in that beautiful place called the whouls. ov white house. i've fought for michigan like no one has ever fought for michigan. before i became president, the great state of michigan was hemorrhaging, your car companies and your car businesses. thanks to corrupt politicians like joe biden, he has turned out to be a skru e a corrupt po plants were closing and moving to mexico, you know that better than anybody. there have been no new plants built in michigan in decades before i got here. i stopped the moves and now plants are being built and already -- >> the president speaking to a campaign rally in washington, michigan. starting out complain be about the cold and new sonow some of

greatest hits about what he's done. mary trurnlg, yomp, your final before the nation makes its choice for who the next president of the united states should be. >> everybody needs to vote. that is for sure. you know, that is the only way that we can have a democracy or ever hope to have a democracy i should say. i want people to focus on who aren't decided yet and i am assuming that undecided are people w.h.ho don't know if the want to vote at all. to our institutions, our health, think about the multiple crises we're in the midst of because this administration has failed so miserably at every level. think about the will fsness ful the corruption of the indifference and think about where this country is heading if we don't put the brakes on this.

the federal policy for covid-19 will continue not to exist, the economy will continue to slide over a cliff. so be thoughtful and just -- know that things can be better if you get to the polls. >> mary trump, niece to president trump, thank you so much for coming on the show. >> thank you so much, jonathan. >> and joining me now are anthony scaramucci, am and the former assistant secretary. you are all inside the trump administration. some longer than others. >> i thought you liked me?

>> come on, mnuchiooch. your former broad oss is on 9th screen. anthony in, 48 hours to go in this election, your thought about the man you used to work for. >> first off, am rosa will tell you that i can't be offended. but this is military grade style propaganda. this is weapons grade manipulation. and so i don't know what to a other than the fact that i prayed every day that 55 to 60 % of the american people see the evil. i think mary trump has done a grit service to the united states and omarosa's best selling book as well. i'm working every day, blalgatt

grounds areas, everything that we can do to move the needle. but i think that he will get destroyed on tuesday. if you look at the magnitude of the people voting, it will be an overwhelmi ining loss for him. >> omarosa, i don't know if you recall, you were on, i was subbing for the weekend show in 2015, and you were on the weekend after donald trump participated in his first presidential debate and we talked -- i had you there as a trump whisperer and you said some things that stick with me to this day because of how prescient you were. do we have time to show that? >> please do. >> you said to me that donald trump is selling the sizzle and we're focused on the steak. and that is when you weren't

even supporting him. you then moved to the campaign and you worked in the white house. 48 hours before the nation goes back to the polls to say whether on or not he should be reelected, what are your thoughts and what should the american people know about him four years later? >> first of all, watching this rally, and i know people at home are watching this, donald trump not only is he not telling the throughout the, but he is doing it with a straight face mask. so he will do anything to stay in office. donald trump is not equipped to only that the job for four more years, but more importantly, he squandered an opportunity to actually lead this country and bring the country together, but nd instead he focused on himself. we need a leader to put the american people first. not take away their health care

and have some empathy for the 2 230,000 americans have died. i was part of the movement because people underestimated that they didn't have a voice. and now you have a voice. donald trump needs to get out of office. >> and as we're watching president trump speak there in washington, michigan, the light rain that i mentioned earlier, clearly looks like it has become a light snowfall. his vice president mike pence is in north carolina doing a campaign rally there. and it was in north carolina that we've been talking about the pepper spraying incident at a polling place. elizabeth, you are a former home land assistant secretary. how concerned are about our nation's election securities 48

hours before people really do go to the polls and cast their ballots? >> well, i wouldn't have said that year ago, but i know bucket election security into two categories. there is the work that is under way by good men and women at our cybersecurity agencies, dhs, the fbi, and they have strengthened capabilities in the states and i feel confident that we are doing weste better than than we did in 2016 to protect our elections. but the second category is much more alarming now and it is the disinformation particularly on the right. there is an echo chamber in the media that many trump voters pay attention to and they are convinced that trump will win in a land slide. and if the polling is correct, and he does not, then iblgt that

sizable portion of our country will believe that the election was stolen from them and that will lead a small group of people to feel just are filed in carrying out acts of violence. and so i think that you have heard from law enforcement and from many of us that have studied extremism, this man emboldens hate. we have more people involved in hate groups now than before he became president. he has given permission to the worst aspects of white nationalism and violent militias. and that empowerment will lead to potentially violence on the other side of the election. so that is what i'm most concerned about 48 hours before our election. >> and i'll tell you are audience, earlier you saw joe biden, he was 4r50leaving churc this wilmington and now you are seeing president trump at a campaign rally in washington,

michigan. and in the middle of your screen, you see mike pence speaking before a crowd in north carolina. and then on the right, you see me. and this is "a.m. joy". elizabeth, one of the things that has offended me a lot, because i've seen it in new york and i saw it in washington, businesses boarding up their windows, boarding up their plot in plot property in anticipation of violence. do you think that they are justified and i'm into tm i'm n their concerns seriously enough? >> from the chatter that we are seeing on many of closed forums and where streamist groups like to coordinate indicates that

they do have plans. you know, many of these groups spooechl speak with a lot of bravado, so i still hope that cooler heads will prevail, that they will be talked out of doing something violent. but in-that many think many fes wise to make preparations. there is legitimate free speech protests and we have seen over the summer in the george floyd protests people with alternate purposes coming in and trying to cause violence and stoke violence, cahave an ideology of using vid lens to bein violence collapse. but then there is the other concern that we will have people intentionally seeking to do harm because they are angry about the outcome of the election.

>> and what would you say to people who are still trying to decide whether they should even vote on tuesday? >> i would say vote and believe in america and be opt missionic opt mirs tick and we'll fix an ill america. stay calm and vote. and only ros and so i would this is your chance to bring our nation together to restore dignity and integrity and stop having laughingstock. your vote allows us the chance to change direction and it is time. donald trump has to go. >> and with that, we have to gy.

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with less than 48 hours until election day, there are a few messages we want to share but. especially if you or someone you know will cast a ballot soon. this one was especially popular in our team "a.m. joy" group text chain. >> why are so many powerful people trying to make it so difficult for us to vote? ♪ keeps me awake, the look on your face, the moment you heard the news ♪ ♪ screams inside, frozen, all the that you can do ♪

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♪ powerful ad. and biden video hugging the kid always gets me. a close friend of the show, the reverend dr. barber also had a powerful message. watch. >> we are black, we are white, we are latino, we are native american, we are democrat, we are republican, we are independent, we are people of faith, we are people not of faith. we are natives and immigrant, we are business leaders and workers and you unemployed, we are doctors an uninsured, we are gay, straight, students, retirees, we are america and we where here a are here and we ain't nowhere. up next, we check in with two important "a.m. joy" fans. but first, first, --

>> one thing that i will be watching for on election day is whether the courts will son every vote from being fairly counted. in any traditional collection year, we would be talking about the campaign and stops. but this year with voting being disrupted by the pandemic, it is all about how the vote get kouchblt counted. and it could mean the difference in states where it is close, that is what i'll be watching for. fr fr

the pandemic has made everything harder, especially spending timing with friends and family on election night. we here at "a.m. joy" would like to remind you to reach out to people you care about and share this historic moment, which is why for the last segment before election day, we wanted to share a moment with our friends, katheri katherine grody an and manny do

everything they can. >> the home stretch. >> it is a coordinated earth effort to make sure that we have a larnge event. >> great to see you. how are you? >> great to see you. you have a little growth since last time. >> you did that, manny. >> i'm sure. >> nothing is coming out of my mouth. >> we've been practicing. >> great. well, to your point of what you said in the clip that we just saw, a coordinated effort, we're 48 hours out. how confident are you about the way things are going to go on tuesday. >> what i'm confident about and really take great environment

from is the diverse groups working together to protect democracy. you have aoc democrats, everything everybody in the middle, generation z. all these diverse people are coming together to protect each other on the planet, so i'm encouraged. >> and i'm actually kind of surprised that she seems upbeat. >> yeah, that is because she's on television. look, i am very encouraged. i do not want to be too encouraged. i want to be as nervous a wreck a possible. i don't want to listen to a single poll. i want to bust my tush to make sure that we get out every single vote possible and i want everyone on these phones to the last second as i will be, cath

writt will be. >> and the phone bank is what has made me encouraged. let me ask -- >>swingleft.org, they'll tell you how to do it. it's really easy. and really necessary. >> well, katherine, talk more about the -- what you're hearing from people while you're doing phone banking. did you just say that by doing that, you've actually become more encouraged? >> oh, absolutely. i did a call last night. i couldn't get over it. first, i thought it was a computer talking to me, and now i realized that the guy who answered didn't have a voicebox, he had that electronic kind of, you know, mechanism that speaks for you, like stephen hawking. he was so beautiful on the phone, telling me he got three other people out to vote, that he'd already voted. it's completely encouraging. people hang up, sometimes you don't get an answer, you check

that so you don't call it again. but we've already made 6 million calls, but it's not enough. remember, gore lost florida by 537 votes. every vote counts. if you don't think, you know, save one life, you save the world. save one vote, you save the world. this isn't just a vote for the united states of america, this is a vote for the whole world. we get notes from around the world, i wish i could vote in your election. >> what do you say to people who you reach in the phone bank, who are -- they're trying to decide whether they're going to vote at all. what do you say to those folks? >> what i say to them, jonathan, is, too many people have fought for the right to vote. too many people in countries don't have the right to vote. it is a sacred responsibility. you have to honor it. it is deeply american to vote. you know. >> people have died for it. >> people have died for it. my dad was on normandy in world

war ii. there is no option. if you're a citizen and you have anything to complain about, if you want your voice heard, it starts at the ballot box, up and down the ballot box. >> we have a lot of repair to do. so we need to turn the white house blue, flip the senate blue, get the statehouses blue, get the congress blue. and that's not forever, that's just for a time being until we stop the hemorrhaging and get the heal going and bring our nation back together. so a vote for joe biden is a vote for every american, not just democrats. every american under the sun. and for everyone in the world. >> do you think, because vice president biden, part of his campaign speech is, he's running as a democrat for president, but if he becomes president, he will be president of all americans. this desire to bring the country together is something that is deeply felt by the president. deeply felt by the former vice president. and deeply felt by the two of you. but do you think the nation can

be brought back together, after the four years we've had with the president who's done everything in his power to drive us apart. >> i think it's -- >> go ahead. >> i think it's going to take a tremendous amount of work and dedication and not demonizing each other, not tribalizing each other. it's going to take -- >> decency. >> decency, and it's going to take journalists like you, jonathan, to help people wade through what is misinformation and disinformation. and fear on social media. but we are going to have to reintroduce ourselves to each other as human beings that want to live in harmony and civil discourse and having interesting and complex discussions and not seeing each other in these stupid colors of blue and red. i'm going to be a human wanting to help a fellow human. >> and we have to get people like mark kelly, steve bullock, mark rose, people who will reach across the aisle and like the old days when they stop being so partisan and they were americans and they were making -- they

were exercising political decency in their rhetoric. and that's what we can bring back. i am certain of it. i don't just wonder, i am 100% certain. >> and more people have turned out than ever. people are hungry for this, jonathan. it's everybody wants to be able to live in a civil, kinder place. >> we have less than a minute left. and i wanted to do this the last time you were on, but you're -- you're son, gideon is there. >> yeah. >> we see your arm. there he is! there's gideon! real quickly, we have -- like i said, we have less than a minute left. given what you just said about needing to reach across the aisle, what would you say to progressives for whom this idea of reaching across the aisle is an anathema, something they don't want to see happen and is a fool's errand. >> go ahead. >> no, no, go ahead. >> everybody has to reach across

the aisle. everybody has to make compromise. it's like a family dinner table. everybody has progressive ideas. everybody has the ideas they believe in. we have to work together. what has been going on for the past four years in this country is not sustainable. we can stop the death, the 220-some-thousand deaths, a thousand people a day from covid. we can bring that in order, put it behind us, get the economy back in, get the kids back in school and we can get progressives and right-wing and left wing and people in the center, all to work together. there is no other choice, jonathan. that is our job, to all work together and be citizens of the united states of america. >> and progressives have to work with people who are less so and talk to each other and move us forward to equality. >> and everybody has to work for what they believe in the most, but everybody has to make compromise. >> you're a great guy, jonathan. >> thank you. thank you. with that, katherine grody,

mandy patin kirkskin, thank you much for coming on the last "a.m. joy" before the election. >> and today is kyle good's birthday. >> oh, happy birthday. >> that is our show for now. stay tuned for alex witt, her guests will include veteran journalist, dan rather. r guests journalist, dan rather easy to wear with soothing vicks vapors for her, for you, for the whole family. trusted soothing vapors, from vicks rakuten is free to sign up and it's in over 3,000 stores. i use it to buy makeup... travel... ...clothes, electronics to me, rakuten is a great way to get cash back on anything you buy. sign up today and get cash back with rakuten. oh, you think that's a bad move? so you're saying i should go to subway for a delicious footlong.

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across america at this hour, signs of democracy and millions of voters meeting and feeling this week of history, with a ripple of anxiety and anticipation. the president in the thick of a five-day stop. here he is in michigan. this is a live picture. and before midnight, it is iowa, north carolina, georgia, and florida. the biden camp fanning out this weekend, as well, with a blitz through battlegrounds. joe biden, kamala harris, and former president obama all in action. a slew of new polls in key swing states that give us a glimpse of what might transpire on tuesday. can they be trusted this time? and then there's this. the first election day, polling places open in 42 hours, and close as early as 53 hours from now. florida, that's you, and pennsylvania, polls there closing in 54 hours. the clock is ticking