schedule anybody external can set. all eyes on a few battleground states tonight. just since we've been on the air tonight joe biden has cut significantly into president trump's lead in the great state of pennsylvania. about 42,000 votes now separate the two. in georgia the margin is tighter. the president's lead now in georgia is less than 2,000 votes. in both pennsylvania and georgia joe biden appears to be narrowing the president's lead more and more with each new slice of votes that gets reported. again, on an unpredictable time frame. in the west joe biden leads in both arizona and nevada with most of the outstanding votes from democratic leaning counties. that said, the incoming vote in arizona including some just this past hour has seen president trump narrow the biden arizona lead. that said, the biden campaign expresses confidence tonight that they will end up winning in that state. we're watching it all unfold just as you are. we don't have any secret information. you're seeing everything that we

see. all of this is live. there are no re-runs in this part of our coverage. let's head over to msnbc's steve kornacki. steve, i feel like even though this is really five states yet to be called and one, north carolina, we're not talking about much because they haven't been producing new vote totals and neither campaign seems to be as focused on north carolina so it is really four states. even with only four states on the board i do feel like the potential yalties of what these results might mean toward who is going to be the next president sometimes get conflated in my mind. maybe i've been on the air too many hours. >> it's true. all this talk about arizona and, you know, trump could overtake biden there plaus baibly and we get an update tomorrow morning. in georgia biden might overtake trump and it might land in the zone where there is a recount. here's the ball game at the moment. it's pennsylvania. you just mentioned it. donald trump leading by 42,000. dwindling with every update.

we set it up a couple hours ago and said biden is winning about three-quarters of the mail votes on average. that remains the average. we've had tens of thousands of mail votes counted since then. he continues to win them at that rate. if you just look at the outstanding vote if that rate continues, biden would more than cut that deficit to zero. he would go ahead himself by tens of thousands of votes so it raises the question. if that happens if biden passes trump, if biden pulls away in pennsylvania, if biden wins pennsylvania from the road to 270 standpoint that is a biden win and what it does to the electoral math. joe biden goes over 270. if biden is declared the winner in pennsylvania biden becomes president-elect. trump could still get the win in arizona. trump could still hold off biden and get the win in georgia. trump could get north carolina. at this point the trump campaign probably feels good about north carolina. we could get into the details on that but put it aside for a minute. trump could get everything else out there right now. if he doesn't get pennsylvania,

he doesn't get to 270. period. so pennsylvania is the ball game. we're getting the most vote out of there. you heard that chris jansing report. they'll be counting the vote overnight it sounds like in pennsylvania. you do see since we've been on the air, keeping track of the numbers, where we started to where we are now there's been significant erosion. so we can expect if what chris is saying is right they'll count through the night, we can expect this to continue to erode through the night. meanwhile we're not hearing anything until the morning from arizona. we'll see what happens in georgia. we're not hearing anything until tomorrow in nevada. we're not hearing anything until next week in north carolina but we'll learn a lot about pennsylvania i think in the next few hours and overnight. >> steve, let's talk about tunk the telescope the other direction. if the pennsylvania numbers come in wildly differently than expected, let's say president trump wins pennsylvania. it is not then an open-and-shut

case for him. pennsylvania, winning pennsylvania is enough for joe biden to put it away. winning pennsylvania isn't enough for president trump to put it away. correct? >> yeah. necessary for trump but not sufficient. so right. that is a good way to think about it. right now we say the ball game is pennsylvania in that biden wins the ball game if he wins pennsylvania. trump stays in the ball game if he wins pennsylvania. and then you start looking at the rest of the electoral map and what it would take for donald trump. if you gave him pennsylvania he'd be sitting at 234. again, his campaign feels good about north carolina. i think there may be good reason for that. that would put him at 249. if he holds off biden in georgia, that is a huge if, given what we're seeing there. but if he does that would put him at 265. then you'd be looking at, okay. alaska. that's not called. remember that one? if trump gets alaska, 268. that would leave a nevada or an arizona. he'd have to pull off one of

those. certainly you see and have heard tonight about what we can expect in nevada tomorrow. that really probably means arizona. arizona is the one where trump seems to have a shot so he'd need arizona. he'd need georgia. he'd need north carolina, alaska. he'd need pennsylvania. it is interesting. you could look at these states right now. certainly alaska. certainly north carolina. i think you could still make a case trump could pull out georgia somehow and certainly make a case he could pull out arizona. but pennsylvania is the one. when you start looking at these votes you're right. something dramatic would have to change in the remaining results in pennsylvania because the trajectory right now is not one the trump campaign wants to be on in that battleground. >> one more, steve. like you're my human calculator. give georgia to biden and if georgia goes to biden and trump gets pennsylvania then what happens? >> so we've got, we're giving trump arizona, too, and then if biden does get nevada --

>> nevada would be actually for either one of them. >> exactly. if trump got nevada that would be -- >> oh, that's the tie. the thing we don't speak of. >> welcome to the house of representatives election for president. what a way to end 2020. >> i keep running into that brick wall. it is not like a trick i'm trying to do. >> now it's you bursting into flames. >> exactly. please put me out. thank you very much, steve. over to you, brian. >> thank you. for those viewers watching earlier tonight, if you saw a uniquely 2020 moment, the president of the united states entered the briefing room at the white house, started to speak, and we chose to cut away because he wasn't telling the truth. and more than that, he was attacking the veracity and integrity of the electoral system in his country. this is all a way of bringing in our friend lawrence o'donnell whose hour this normally is. lawrence has a special guest who might speak to the mom ent we

witnessed earlier. >> that's right. joining us is mary trump, president trump's niece the author of "too much and never enough, how my family created the world's most dangerous man." mary, when i was watching the president make his statement this afternoon i was thinking of you as i so often do wondering what was going through your mind. what were you seeing? >> well, we're seeing a man who is in a unique position. donald has never been in this place before where there's nobody to bail him out, there's nobody to buy him out. he's desperate. he's flailing. and there's literally nothing he can do legitimately except to watch this play out helplessly. and i think based on what he

said, that's a pretty good indication of what we could potentially be in for especially if republican leadership continues to do nothing. this wasn't just donald obfuscating or lying. this was donald talking about an attempted coup. the leader of a country trying desperately to de-legitimize an election. it is obscene and somebody has to step in and stop him. >> we have reporting in "the washington post" tonight describing your uncle's condition in the white house as a downward spiral. it is strikingly similar to the kind of reporting that bob woodward and carl bernstein did on the final days of richard nixon in the white house when nixon was literally wandering the halls late at night with henry kissinger, some of that time drunk. very detailed kind of downward spiral for nixon already in our history books. what would be your imagined view

of what your uncle is going through in the white house now? >> oh, he's in an uncontrollable rage i would imagine. the difference, however, is that privately, you know, nixon, donald, it's bad. i mean, it's never good to know the person in the oval office is decompensating. however, it is donald's public statements we really need to be worried about. the damage that he just did is inka incalculable and we'll deal with it for a very long time. nobody in the republican party steps in. democrats can't do anything about this. only the republicans, the people in his administration can do something about this. i think that the public statements is a pretty good indication of how bad things are privately. >> i have to ask you quickly

about one word and that's the word loser and how it will fit in donald trump's life and in his psyche as joe biden approaches 75 million votes. those are votes against your uncle, rejecting your uncle, firing your uncle to use his term. it is going to be the largest number of votes against a president running for re-election in history. how will your uncle live with the word loser if this trend continues and joe biden closes in and finishes it off in the electoral college? >> you know, it's interesting. unfortunately and again i think this is a terrible indictment of where we are as a country, donald also will have been the person who received the second most votes in american history in a presidential election, but that will not comfort him because what is going to exacerbate his loss is the fact that the republicans, at least it looks like they may keep the senate and they gained seats in the house.

so essentially, he cannot avoid but experience this as a repudiation of him, a rejection of him. and he is not going to get beyond that and it's going to be a very dangerous couple of months. >> mary trump, thank you very much for joining us once again tonight. we always appreciate it. >> great to be here. thank you, lawrence. arngs brian, back to you. >> lawrence o'donnell, mary trump, our thanks. again, the states we're concentrating on, we all know them by heart by now. the race that has tightened dramatically in the last 60 minutes is georgia, but that is pennsylvania where the difference is 42,000, where we're watching the remaining blocs of votes. there's georgia. 1700 souls differentiate those two candidates. arizona, 46,000 vote difference. they're still counting. nevada. they're still counting as well.

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since we have been on the air tonight we have been watching votes roll in in both pennsylvania and in georgia. not on any time frame we can discern. they just come in when they're ready. over the course of the night in georgia that has meant a dramatic narrowing of the race. my notes show when i sat down here this evening at 6:00 p.m. eastern the president's lead in georgia was over 9500 votes. it is now under 1800 votes. #99% of georgia's votes are in with each new slice of the vote that comes in, vice president bide encloses in on that lead.

it is hard to see where the votes might come in from georgia that might turn it around for president trump or allow him to hold on to what he's got already. let's bring into the conversation now greg bluestein the political reporter at "the atlanta journal constitution." thanks for being here tonight. >> of course. thanks for having me. >> give us your take as a georgia politics expert as to what has happened today and tonight and where it looks like things are heading in georgia for the presidential. >> things are extremely tight and heading toward biden surpassing president trump. we're looking at a trove of about 4,000 votes still to come in from clayton county which is georgia's most democratic county. it is not the biggest democratic county but the most democratic county by vote share in georgia. that tallying is just wrapping

up so we expect those before midnight and if those go the way historically clayton county votes go then you could see joe biden surpassing president trump tonight. still too close to call in my view because you've got thousands of other ballots, provisional ballots, overseas ballots and perhaps as many as 8,000 military ballots to come in but it looks like joe biden will probably stake a lead later on tonight or early tomorrow morning. >> greg, when you look around the map in terms of what is still outstanding, i'm no georgia politics expert but i've been looking at the tilt of various counties and the ratio of democratic to republican votes in various counties and it feels to me like the republican counties, the republican leaning counties that are still to report are just reporting such smaller numbers of votes still outstanding it is hard for me to see any place on the map where the president might have a potential life line.

however unlikely. is there any spot for him among georgia counties where you think there might be a sort of hidden treasure of votes for the president? >> yeah. that is a tough one because as you mentioned and kornacki, too, tonight, he was -- not a big net gain but i think part of that reason was democrats in georgia so aggressively encouraged supporters to vote by mail. even overwhelmingly republican counties the smaller vote share of democrats are voting by mail and that is paying dividends right now. >> greg, you mentioned provisional and overseas and military ballots. we don't know exactly how many of those there are. do you have an expectation in terms of when those might be counted, how many there are, when they might be counted, and what their lean might be in terms of president trump versus vice president biden? >> we've been told thousands.

we don't have an exact number on that right now. we expect some of them to start, some of them already being counted but some continue to be counted tomorrow and maybe into the weekend. in terms of the military ballots, 8900 or so. that is the maximum. there could be 50, you know, there could be, or there could be as many as 8900. we're looking at a pretty wide range there. >> what is your expectation in terms of how those votes might turn out? >> that is a tough call. i did talk to a state elections official earlier today who suggested it was not going to be a game changer. they didn't think it would be a big, a maximum turnout. they thought it would be on the lower end of the spectrum. kind of all bets are off because usually you can assume military votes tend to be more republican but i think in this election cycle even some surveys showed military members are more split than usual. >> greg, let me ask you before

you go about the senate races in georgia. georgia alone among the states has had two senate seats on which people were voting this cycle. it looks like both are going to a january 5th run-off. those two senate seats coming up both having run-offs the first week in january, was that on your bingo card? did you think that's how that was going to go? >> actually believe it or not, yes, i did. you know, senate control will be up for grabs but i definitely was expecting two run-offs in georgia. you saw poll after poll show david perdue and jon ossoff both below the 50% benchmark they needed to clear so we've got campaigning through christmas, hanukah, and thanksgiving, and new year's. so get ready. >> wow. all of us are probably moving there in order to cover which is going to be very uncomfortable and awkward for all of us. all right. very good. greg bluestein, political

reporter for the atlanta journal constitution the night is young in georgia. thanks for being with us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> we'll go now to the state of delaware where u.s. senator chris coombs is standing by. he just won re-election wednesday night. let me start by congratulating you on that fact and the fact you'll be going back to the senate. >> thank you, rachel. >> let me also ask you i know you are close to the biden campaign and to vice president biden himself. let me ask you for the mood of the campaign or the candidate tonight if you are able to speak to that. >> optimistic. hopeful. that when all the votes are counted joe biden and kamala harris are on their way to being the next president and vice president. it is striking given what you were just talking about in terms of georgia. just how close georgia has come. it is likely that later tonight clayton county i'll remind you was represented by congressman john lewis will be the county

that puts joe biden over the top and makes georgia blue. i think that is going to be an important historic moment for joe. he was so close to and grateful for the support of congressman lewis. i just talked to attorney general shapiro, congressman boyle, senator casey in pennsylvania, and i'm optimistic that we will get final numbers by early tomorrow in pennsylvania that will put joe biden over the top in the state of his birth. joe has never forgotten where he is from, scranton, pennsylvania, claymont, delaware. he's never stopped fighting for the hard scrabble fighting towns he grew up in. i'm excited and he is optimistic. one thing that really struck me, yesterday and today we had the all time high number of covid cases yet when president trump spoke we heard nothing about that. joe biden and kamala harris went to get a briefing about the pandemic and their pandemic response plan today. we have someone in the white

house who is acting like he's president and then joe biden getting ready to actually be president. >> i don't want to brush by those numbers too soon. in the past 24 hours it is not only a new record for our country but the previous record was set yesterday and it was the first time we crossed a hundred thousand cases so for us to blow past that by 20% is terrifying. and i remember in 2008 when president obama and vice president biden were first elected when the economy was going off what at that point was the highest cliff we could imagine. the cliff it's gone off this year turns out an even higher cliff but it does seem like you win this election and what you win is the worst job in the world at least the job that is the hardest work in the world but sounds like you think joe

biden is the man for the job. >> very much so. i've supported joe from the day he announced. i always believed he was the person with the character and capability to lead us forward. it is going to be harder if we don't win these two run-offs in georgia but i think joe is exactly the right leader for our moment. >> tell me about the two run-offs in georgia. i know the campaign has been such a sprint and so strange in the era of the pandemic with all the accommodation needed for that. nobody knows what president trump will be like if he loses the white house and is in a lame duck position. if he is going to continue with defying the results of the election and trying to rile up some sort of i don't know in terms of trying to get the american people to reject the results of the election. it seems like it is going to be a handful. on top of that two georgia senate seats up at once within five days of new year's eve. has the campaign and the democratic party started thinking already about what it

might take to mobilize georgia again in very short order to try to win those two seats? >> i'm just reminded of how grateful i am for stacey abrams. she first brought to me a plan she was working on for how to turn georgia blue years ago. i think this was six years ago where she's been tirelessly working before and after her race for governor on voter registration, pushing back on voter suppression. we've got a very strong ground game in georgia because of the leadership of stacey abrams and many others she has brought along with her. so i'm optimistic that every democrat in the country will contribute to those races, engaged in those races because control of the senate will likely hang on the outcome. i think there is some chance we'll get a covid relief package done in the lame duck because we'll be in such a mess nationally. donald trump's failed leadership, his bungled

mishandling of this pandemic as you just noted, 120,000 new cases today, is going to put a lot of pressure on the republican majority in the senate and the democratic majority in the house to get something done. but then all eyes will turn to georgia right after new year's and we'll see what the outcome is. but i am hopeful we'll have a fully engaged democratic community from all over the country focused on helping jon ossoff and reverend warnock. >> senator chris coombs joining us from wilmington, delaware the center of the democratic universe right now. all eyes on the biden campaign as the results continue to come in. thank you for your time. enjoy the night. looks like it is going well until the biden campaign. we'll stay on it until the bitter end. >> thanks, rachel. >> we have new votes in from pennsylvania. we'll take a quick break so steve can get his magic going in terms of the board. right back with steve kornacki and new numbers from pennsylvania right after this. stay with us. ith us

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bottom line if joe biden manages to win pennsylvania tonight the race to the white house is over because he has hit 270 electoral votes. that said, pennsylvania still too close to call. since roughly dinner time on the east coast president trump's lead in pennsylvania has been cut from roughly 80,000 to roughly 40,000, just over the course of the last four and a half hours or so. and the vote has continued to come in including just in the last few minutes. steve, what do we have from pennsylvania now? >> another update. relatively small one but bucks county one of those counties that has a lot of these votes left in it. you can see here biden winning overwhelmingly picks up another thousand votes or so and so now 41,305 votes. that is the lead for donald trump statewide over joe biden. we continue to get updates like

this. i tell you, just one to keep an eye on here. we haven't gotten one in a while out of philadelphia where we know they are sitting on about 70,000 votes they got to get through and report out. philadelphia again if we get a big batch from philadelphia oh, we just had another update and my producer, adam, where did that come from? get an answer here. oh, delaware. okay. so delaware county which we've also been keeping a close eye on. delaware and bucks outside of philadelphia the two philly metro area counties have been reporting out a lot of early vote, too. we just got, sounds like a pretty big batch there from delaware to get that down to 36,572 votes to draw biden within half a percent. again, the progress that biden has made here in the last several hours and, rachel, you've been tracking this. keep in mind it's been a long time as i was saying since a philadelphia update and yet

biden has managed to continue to slice into this trump lead. now down to 36,000. again, 70,000 votes we think in philadelphia. 35,000 votes we think in pittsburgh. still significant number of votes in allentown, in lehigh county. those are just some of the big ones. some smaller counties around the state sitting on piles of a couple thousand absentee votes that they're working through and then reporting the results out to. just all sorts of possibilities for joe biden and again continuing to hit that number. we said 76% of the early vote. excuse me. the absentee vote. he has been winning 76% as it has been processed. that's why i think you've seen it. every single update we've had tonight. every time we've had new votes reported it has meant biden chipping away at the trump lead. every update of the absentee vote has favored biden. we gave you the math earlier if he keeps on pace, he would be

well past the breaking even point and ahead of donald trump at that point. >> two quick questions on that, steve. you described roughly 70,000 votes in philadelphia county still outstanding? >> yes. >> the way you put it was that philadelphia is still sitting on about 70,000 votes again with the proportion, the partisan proportions we're seeing out of that philadelphia vote it would be enough to potentially put vice president biden quite healthily in the lead. when you say they are sitting on those votes and we haven't received any numbers from philadelphia in a long time, what are the odds we're not going to get anymore tonight they went to bed and they're coming in the morning? >> hopefully, we got a report from chris jansing a little while ago they were planning around the state to stay up through the night and process these so hopefully just from the standpoint of getting all these ballots reported out that is what is happening in philadelphia. i do remember last night somewhere around this time we were told, hey, stand by around midnight we'll have a big batch of votes coming out from

philadelphia. >> and then -- >> 8:00 a.m. i think we got it. 9:00 a.m. we got it. these are the empty promises of the election night and election night extended. >> my last very quick question we just talked with greg bluestein a really good political reporter in georgia about the super narrow margin right now in georgia, although things are looking strong for vice president biden there. he was highlighting the fact that overseas and military and provisional ballots are still due to come in and be tallied as part of the georgia race. are we also expecting overseas and military and provisional ballots to be part of the story in pennsylvania at the end of the day? >> yes. provisional ballots in particular, i should say, provisional ballots, in the 2016 election, i'll ask my producer to check me on this but the number on my head for philadelphia is 24,000. is that right, adam?

okay. let me get confirmation on that. i should have got confirmation before i said it out loud but i do remember a fair number of provisional ballots that came out of philadelphia and pennsylvania statewide in 2016 and that after the election it established trump as the winner of the state. clinton did erode the trump lead a little bit on provisional ballots. yes if you got into a situation where this was razor thin right around the line, provisional ballots come into play. >> likely to cut against trump. >> likely to cut against trump. the pace biden is on here is not an i need provisional ballots pace. >> thank you very much. back with us now beloved lawrence o'donnell the host of "the last word." >> thank you rachel. joining us now jon ossoff georgia democratic candidate for united states senate. thank you for joining us once again tonight. when we talked last week you said you were prepared to keep running to january 5th if it came to a run-off situation.

it looks like that's where it is. but can you tell us do you have any information about the vote outstanding in georgia tonight that could possibly close this gap that we're seeing on the screen right now and that could possibly get you to 50%? >> well, my understanding is that the outstanding ballots could very well push vice president biden over the top here. we're expecting a run-off in the senate race. i don't know if you remember, lawrence, when i came on the show over a year ago to tell you that i was running and i said georgia is the most competitive state in the country and i know you didn't doubt me, lawrence, but some people did. i think what is happening tonight demonstrates georgia is indeed the most competitive state in the country now. we have progressively built political power here. the state has become younger and more diverse day by day. the organizing effort led by people like stacey abrams to protect ballot access and now

potentially the presidency hanging in the balance and i understand that at the latest count something like a 2,000 vote gap. >> yeah, you started as a candidate in georgia in 2017 special election for a congressional seat. you saw it then. you saw the possibility then the next year stacey abrams ran for governor and she really showed us. she really showed the national media in the way that your single congressional district race couldn't what the statewide possibilities were in georgia. what did you learn from the stacey abrams campaign for governor? >> well, even before her gubernatorial run, stacey was deeply engaged in the work of voter registration, organizing and training volunteers to mobilize and reach out to communities that hadn't heard from candidates or campaigns in a very long time. then of course my 2017 special election, which really woke up

the nation to the changes that were occurring in this state. a state as i mentioned that's been getting younger and more diverse year by year. then stacey's historic run in 2018. each of these huge battles, win or lose, has been worth what we have built in the process. and now here in georgia we stand poised to deliver the senate majority with two u.s. senate run-offs. remember, it's two run-offs here, lawrence, that will determine the balance of power in the united states senate. and we need everybody to help us equip ourselves and resource ourselves for this fight. they can go to elect john, elect jon.com because the election may be, election day may be behind us but january 5th, 2021 the fate of the u.s. senate will be decided. >> john ossoff thank you very much for joining us once again. we will probably see you next week on "the last word."

thank you very much. >> thank you. >> lawrence, it is going to be fascinating to see the way the democratic party switches gears from trying to elect joe biden, trying to elect senate candidates and house candidates all around the country with all of that that entails all the drama around this election to then see them focus like a laser on jon ossoff and rafael warnock in georgia with so much at stake. it is going to be remarkable to see. >> everything is riding on it, rachel, everything about the future of a biden presidency and domestic policy will turn on what happens in georgia. they either get 50 democratic senators out of georgia or they don't and it is a different world one way or the other. >> exactly. if you want a biden presidency that can have policy, then you need those two senators. otherwise you don't get policy. you get stasis at best. good interview.

steve, do you have philadelphia numbers? >> yeah. here is the situation. i'm staring at our screen because i want to see if this updates. we have our own internal system that gets the reports and puts them in but we are also checking the official websites of a lot of these major counties and cities. in philadelphia the city of philadelphia's official election website has just reported out new results and they're not yet in our screen but i can tell you, again, they do about 13,000 ballots an hour. it looks like an hour's worth of ballots were just reported out. and the net gain for joe biden was 10,253. that would bring the statewide lead for donald trump down to 26,319. just going on their website, that is what we have in terms of finding these numbers, my guess would be it would be an hour's worth of ballots processed

because remember they said 13,000 ballots an hour is be the what they can process. there it is. 26,319. it just came up. >> you've got the math exactly right. whoo-hoo! >> doing all this tap dancing trying to get it. there it is in our system. the system works. 26,319. so, yes. we just got about 13,000 new votes out of philadelphia. to refresh the situation, we get a philly update. trump's lead now down to 26,319 statewide. if you deduct those 13,000 from what we think are the remaining pool of philadelphia votes there should be still approximately 57,000 votes in philadelphia still to come. once again this most recent update goes about 9-1 for biden so that ratio is holding. he is still winning the mail ballots at the rate we've been talking about. again, 57,000 votes remaining in philadelphia. just seems clearly ontrack to be enough to overtake trump in that

statewide lead and then again the question would be if philadelphia helps biden get ahead of trump is there anywhere else in the state where trump could fight back and get ballots of his own? we have been talking about and showing you for hours every single county that we have been getting mail-in vote from, absentee vote from has been helping joe biden whether it's red, blue, a swing county in pennsylvania. and there are lots of votes still left in those places as well including by the way allegheny county where pittsburgh is. there are 35,000 absentee ballots that they are going to be reporting out we believe tomorrow. so all sorts of opportunities on this map. when i laid out, i don't know when it was, three hours ago, whatever, we did all that math and we said, if joe biden is winning the remaining votes in pennsylvania at this rate he would erase trump's lead and go -- he is still on track for that. he is still on track for that with what he has been hitting in

these counties and what we are told is remaining in pennsylvania. >> and what this means in addition to that math you just did, let's not just blow past the fact you were like, here. this totally nonmemorable five-digit number is about to appear in our system and then kaboom, it did. that was a miracle. you've just described there steve in terms of the math is important enough but also means that philadelphia is awake and alive and counting. it means chris jansing's reporting from earlier tonight that there would be additional votes reported out of philly tonight is true at least 10:45 p.m. on the east coast. in terms of what that means for when we might have a number out of pennsylvania, sufficient to call the race one way or the other, that just changes the time horizon in terms of when we might know who the next president of the united states is >> i mean, if you got, look at it this way. the update we just got, again, 10,500 vote net gain for joe biden in that statewide vote.

if you got two more of those, again, we think about an hour's capacity in terms of maximum capacity they can do about 13,000 votes an hour. if you got two more updates like we just saw, then trump's lead would be sitting around 5,000 votes statewide. so really probably three more updates of the same size from philadelphia would be enough to put biden ahead. you know, two more at an extreme level might really have him dancing right at the line but three more would put him over. like you say this has not been on a very neat, even, and tidy schedule. but the capacity exists for 13,000 ballots an hour to be processed. the will according to chris jansing exists to count these all night. so the potential is there for a few more updates like we just had to happen and to put biden over the top. by the way, it is not just

philadelphia apparently. you see these updates of a thousand votes. that is the other thing. if you're getting a couple updates of much smaller, if you get one philadelphia update that brings this down to 16,000 or so, then you get three or four smaller updates from around the state that bring it down to about 10,000 then it only takes one more update from philadelphia after that of the same size and biden would be ahead statewide. again, we're doing this timeline and i feel it was maybe 20 minutes ago trump's lead was 42,000. so 16,000 votes have just been shaved off this thing in about 20 minutes. it's going fast. >> it is going fast. it means the schedule you're describing there you would be talking about the president's lead in pennsylvania being gone within two to three hours conservatively. the way things are going. >> if they keep doing it. >> the way, if things continue to go the way they're going and they continue to count at the pace they're counting, and at

that point there would be tens of thousands of more ballots that would lean heavily blue that would still be due to come in. sorry, joy. go ahead >> i was just going to ask either one of you. with what steve just said, at what point do the probabilities disappear for donald trump to be able to come back? if we're talking about within two or three hours, biden then goes ahead, if what steve is saying from what i'm hearing whether a red county, blue county, purple county, doesn't matter. the same thing is happening all night. i guess my question would be at what point does donald trump lose any possibility of being able to come back in pennsylvania? >> which is the end of the road for him. >> right. that would be the question. at a certain point what do you think the margin is for biden at which donald trump cannot come back? mathematically. >> yeah. i mean, i'm trying to determine the number of votes left. it is not even a question of margin i think at this point. it is a question of there has to

be some kind of a we find out oh, wait. the state had philadelphia all wrong. what we just saw from them were the last votes out of philadelphia. even then as i say there's all these votes, it has to be something on that realm right now. we've said at the start of the night we're looking to see are there any of these counties where we get absentee vote. oh, okay. it is possible that absentee vote could come out and donald trump is actually gaining votes somewhere. we haven't seen that happen in a single county that's reported out. we've seen some very red counties report out but biden is winning the absentee vote. it's just -- this was in the polls. i think you mentioned this earlier. we were looking at polls of pennsylvania voters in october asking, you know, by voting method are you voting by mail or are you voting on election day? we were seeing results in these polls that were like 79 to 17 biden voters, mail voters were biden. voting -- people voting by mail

were biden. i was seeing those numbers. you know, margin of error, but that is what we're seeing. >> exactly. >> it just seems like in pennsylvania -- one thing, when we say there is this extreme difference this extreme difference between the male vote and the same day vote in pennsylvania and we don't see it quite on that scale in a lot of other states. i think one of it reasons why is this. in a lot of other states like a florida, for instance, like a georgia we conflate i think in our understanding of this that there's the mail vote. there's also in those states early voting. people can go -- it's like election day. you go to a polling place. you check in, you get your ballot. you're just doing it two weeks ahead of time. and we have seen in places like georgia and florida and texas, republican voters were very willing to do that. it was just mail-in voting. state after state you had not -- and again this was tied to the president was telling his supporters don't trust the mail, don't do mail-in voting so republican voters seemed to

listen to that because in state after state they were not voting by mail. in states that allowed in-person early voting we certainly saw republicans participating in that. so in florida i remember being here 7:00 on election night in florida and we said here's the early vote, and it wasn't great for trump in some cases, but he had plenty of support in it. the early vote in florida means mail plus in-person early. in pennsylvania there is no in-person early. your choice is mail or same day. and republicans chose same day. they chose it in republican counties. they chose it in democratic counties. and the people who chose mail whether you're in a republican county were democrats. >> joy, i think what you're asking tell me if i'm wrong, is when is this going to be called. i will just remind our viewers we do not make the call. we have nothing to do with making the call. we have so much nothing to do with the call that the people

making the call do not listen to us. they are not mopterring onitori coverage. they do not know what we're saying. it's a totally separate entity from us. we can lobby and complain -- >> i think what's happening is everything steve is saying is the reason i'm texting these folks in the campaign and they are so confident they're going to win. and they're so confident about arizona the same way because they feel there's a certain point at which at least they've got somebody doing math for them internally and they're seeing the same things. >> one of the states in which we're not hearing expressions of confidence either way is a state where the vote count has been very slow coming in where, the great state of nevada. joining us now is dina titus.

thank you have making time tonight. >> well, thank you for having me back. it's time to see you, too. >> we've been talking with john rosten, ruben gayago. we've been talking with people in the southwest all night what's going on in nevada, in arizona. and nevada is telling us to be patient. we don't feel patient. do you feel either patient or confident in terms of what's going to be released from nevada in terms of numbers tomorrow? >> i feel confident but i'm losing my patience. i'm like you. i'd like to see votes counted so we can put biden over the top as president. the main thing is we want it counted right, counted carefully, counted so everybody's vote feels like it was a voice and it was a part of the process. >> congresswoman, as we start to think about what those votes are going to look like tomorrow when they do get released from clark county, one of the things i

spoke with john raul stn about was the worry that -- at least i'm a little worried that by taking a long time and by having it stretch out day after day after day clark county may be putting a little bit of volatility into the mix in terms of them being targeted by some of the crazies. in terms of them being targeted by some people trying to create chaos and an indameittitimidati atmosphere. are you worried about that at all? >> we're seeing some of that. i was at it registrar's office where people turned out to protest. and now there's a fourth suit but they're just being seen as frivolous even by our republican secretary of state. i believe when they come with the numbers tomorrow -- and remember 90% of the numbers still right down here in las vegas. that's my district. i hope you've all visited here. you've seen the people who are

casting these votes working in the casinos, working back of the house. they're the ones who want to have a say in this. and i believe the count tomorrow morning will be enough to let whoever calls it, call it. >> in terms of the campaign, are you hearing similar confidence from the democratic party in the state and also from the biden folks? >> we are. we feel like if you look at where the votes are and what kind of votes still need to be counted, they tend very strongly towards the democratic party. certainly that's true here in southern nevada and then my district, which is strongly democrat. >> democratic congresswoman dinna titus, it's great to see you. i really appreciate you being on here tonight. >> thank you. please have me back. >> i will. we're watching north carolina, georgia, pennsylvania, arizona, nevada. we are not expecting numbers from north carolina and nevada tonight. pennsylvania and georgia,

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