almost all of my friends and my family members who were voting for donald trump, it wasn't a vote about donald trump, and it wasn't really a vote about hating the democratic party. it was a vote about being scared of the democratic party, and despite all the bull -- i won't say the next word -- that you hear from progressives on twitter, they are concerned about safety. they are concerned about socialism. they are concerned that the democratic party is outside of the mainstream. and what i would say to them on defunding the police, i had nancy pelosi say she was against defunding the police on the show. i had jim clyburn saying he was against defunding the police on the show. i had al sharpton saying he was against defunding the police on the show. i had every democratic leader on my show and asked them. they all opposed even the slogan of defunding the police.

department matte-- didn't matte. >> you get derisive of the other side. they're crazy. it makes sense to listen to the attack ads of the other side. they're putting tens of hundreds of dollars into the attack ads. they're not stupid. you're exactly right. nationally it was a perception that the democratic party was not respectful enough of the police. now, i think there is a solution here. it's not either you support black lives matter and you attack the police. no, of course, you make the statement loud and clear and everybody does it. as you point it out, joe biden, leaders, most democrats were very clear that a lot of police are very, very good people. most police are very, very good people, but there are atrocious people in the police force.

there is still racism. that doesn't mean you attack all police or line up and you're anything but 100% clear that violence and looting and wind ideas, they need to be 100%. those crazier ideas need to be 100% objected to. one of the problems we have with a party -- and this is a dynamic in politics, and it's not assisted by cable news. the wildest voices, one member of either party says something crazy and that becomes amplified on cable news and all of a sudden democrats are anti-police. i don't have all the answers, but we absolutely have intro expect about the power of fear. >> thank you so much, jim himes. it's greatly appreciated. by the way, democrats can say also it's code for racism when you look at the fact donald

trump did better among black males than any republican candidate in a very long time and did much better among hispanic males than any republican since george w. bush in 2004. willie, i think we may have a clue as to what donald trump plans to do after the presidency. he tweeted this he's going to have a big press conference today in philadelphia at the four seasons at 11:30 a.m. apparently it's about total landscaping. so perhaps -- >> what's that? >> total landscaping. perhaps he's getting into the landscaping business. good for him. >> i think he might have meant landslide, but twitter covered it up. >> i appreciate a good landscaping story. he tweeted out his campaign would have a press conference at the four seasons. in his mind you assume it's the four seasons hotel.

turns out it's four seasons total landscaping company in pennsylvania. at 11:30 they're going to have some kind of briefing and twrie to announce something or make some other false assertion. >> a total landscaping. >> let's go to steve kornacki at the big board. steve, as we hit the top of the hour, let's give our viewers a sense of where things are. i think people were hoping to wake up and see that 253 turn into a 273, democrats and supporters of joe biden anyway. what's going on in the state of pennsylvania? how soon may we know? >> it was a quiet night when it came to throwing new votes in. here's where we stand. they've been in this holding pattern for a while now in pennsylvania. joe biden's lead climbed with each update. now approaching 30,000 vote, 28,833 to be exact. we know there's a lot of

activity. in allegheny county where pittsburgh is, they released some of their ballots last night. that's one of the reasons biden's number was pushed up. they still have ballots to get through and report on. they've begun working on those. there are indications that perhaps late this morning, a few hours after that, you never know with these things, but maybe in the near future we'll get another update from allegheny county. these updates have consistently been adding more votes to the biden pile, far more volts to the biden pile than the trump pile. there are more in allegheny and philadelphia. there are pockets in pennsylvania. i think everyone is just kind of waiting right now for another one to report, another big chunk of vote. if you get another big one out there, then biden's lead moves north of 30 thousand, perhaps into the mid-30s.

but the only direction with the mail ballots seems to be up. the only question is how high is the lead going to climb on the mail ballots. so far in terms -- i can keep saying it's on track to do it. let's see if we can get a release from one of these counties. >> we should point out to our viewers, we're not holding anything back. we don't know when these leads will be posted. steve can post what we're seeing on the county websites and city websites. that's the most we can do. over the next hour steve may post some vote, but it might be a small number. they're going to trickle out. do they have a schedule? nevada said they're going to do two a day. do the counties around fleur-de-lis and t philadelphia and the city of philadelphia have times? >> no. it seems to be when they say, we're going to have a lot in an hour, it means a little in

circumstance hours may-- six ho. that seems to be the pattern. we did get yesterday -- you guys were on the air. early yesterday morning philadelphia did come in. it's been about 12 hours since their last report at this time. they came in with a big batch. they've been working outnigh out overnight. since then we got a small update from philadelphia and nothing else. i'm thinking they're hoping for another release. when it comes to this stuff, i do want to say, i give credit to maricopa county, arizona, where we're get an update this morning, a potentially critical one. they give you a schedule, and, man, do they stick to that schedule. 9:00 p.m. eastern, 7:00 p.m. every time. and on the date at 9:00 p.m., you check the website and new votes come in. they report these big batches out. they tell you when it's coming

and it comes. >> so, steve, for those that are just tuning in right now or may not have seen your summary again, let's go through that again. i know when i'm watching you or just tuning in, a lot of people want to know what's going on and why this race has not been called yet. let's go through allegheny. let's go through philadelphia. let's talk about the ballots, the provisional ballots, and we'll go county by county and talk about what people are going to be seeing today and why the remaining votes lean so heavily toward ben bernanke. >> right now, 28,833 votes.

start in allegheny. what we know in allegheny third quarter say there are 20,000 mail-in ballots they're working on right now and getting us results from. now, they've released some of the results so far, and biden is winning in the high 0770s, clos to 80. if they've got 20,000 mail-in votes left and if you say biden gets 80% of them, then that would be 16,000 for biden and 4,000 for trump. it would be a net gain of 12,000, right? 16 minus 4. it would be a net gain of 12,000 votes for joe biden on the remaining mail-in ballots in allegheny county. if you take a 12,000 vote gain for biden, that will push his statewide lead to basically 40,000 votes, give or take.

40,000 votes would be joe biden's statewide lead on the roughly remaining absentee ballots in pittsburgh, allegheny county is what i really meant to say there. in philadelphia, we have outstanding votes in philadelphia as well. the story is the same in philadelphia. overwhelmingly, these an senn tee ballots are going for joe biden. in fact, in philadelphia, it's even more. it's like 90% in philadelphia. so, you know, philadelphia again is tells us -- let me give you the exact number right here. i will call this up. philadelphia is telling us they've got 15,000 to 20,000 an cente absentee ballots. there are other counties that are much smaller. >> steve, let me stop you there.

we had dave wassermann on in the last hour. he's been digging into the numbers, and based on the same low day turnout and precincts in the city of philadelphia, wasserman's expecting joe biden to overperform in these remaining precincts in philadelphia. what's he been doing? winning 85%, 90% of the mail-in ballots in philadelphia? >> no. he's been getting 90%, 91%. i've been using a conservative number. it only increases that much more when you say what if biden does even better than 90% in some of these places that of course, that could be almost double. if there are 20,000, 22,000 votes remaining and he does as well as he's been doing, that's an additional 18,000 votes.

yeah, you're being very conservative there. >> if you said 50,000 -- there could be other counties as well. but if you just use 50,000, if you worked off 50,000, okay, the thing that's -- >> very conservative estimate. >> the thing that's left after that is about 100,000 of the provisional ballots, and we know disproportionately, you've got a lot of them. 17,000 of them in allegheny county. you've got a bunch in philadelphia and in these heavily democratic areas. talk to the county executive there, he was explaining why they're going to be as heavily democratic as always. traditionally they are heavily democratic. what trump would need, if he's now in 50,000 when it gets through and there's 100,000, he would need to win 75% of them. again, the provisional ballots are traditionally heavily democratic, and we know the provisional ballots come

disproportionately from pennsylvania. you're asking trump to have a landslide with provisional ballots to get at this point at least 75% of them and probably more. >> which is about as likely -- and i'm dead serious -- as bernie sanders get landingslide atlanta if he ran there. trump has got to get 75% of those provisionals. well, we know that 17,000 of those provisionals approximately, provisional votes are going to be coming from

allegheny county. we talked to rich fitzgerald who's run the show there, been there for quite some time, and he's estimating about 75% of those provisional ballots are going to be breaking for joe biden. and if that's the case, then, my, go donald trump outside of allegheny county would have to be getting 90% of the votes. it's just not going to happen. steve, stay with us. jonathan jonathan, what are you looking at right now? >> we'll be monitoring the rest of the results. we'll stay in touch as these numbers keep climbing. i think i want to understand score what the two candidates are doing today. the president as we just discussed is everyone route to what appears to be his golf course where he'll be.

meanwhile joe biden is planning for an outdoor meeting where he hopes to speak as president-elect. we're not there yet. we can see where the trends are going, and there seems to be a sense of real hope in the biden camp, and those on the trump team i've been texting with the trump administration, a sense. those in his legal circle are threatening to challenge and not go down without a fight. there is a sense within the white house and particularly the republicans, rnc and those on capitol hill, that this fight is, indeed, about over and that potentially even in the next few hours we'll see a new chapter here and further breaking of that party away from donald trump. >> we've been talking a lot about allegheny county and the

rest of pennsylvania. let's go to maura barrett. she's live in pittsburgh. good morning. tell us what's happening in allegheny county. we had rich fitzgerald on a few minutes ago. said we're pretty much down to the provisional ballots. is that pretty much your assessment of what you're seeing there? >> that sounds about right, willie. canvassing is currently going on behind me. this is democracy in action and we're bringing it to you live. you can see over my shoulders, the candidates working on it. you can see observers from all the campaigns and parties that have full access to the process. you heard rich fitzgerald say we're likely to get 5,000 or 10,000 of the mail-in ballots they're processing now at some point mid afternoon to today. we also just found out on the other side of the state, a

philadelphia official telling us we can expect to see more results midday saturday, but it won't be the full rest of the picture. there are 240u ballots remaining in philadelphia. the one these going be releasing on that side of the state are going to be ones that do not need to be hand picked through or elevated to any senior election staff. like you said, it could very much come down to the provisionals. when you're talking about that, you broke down what rich fitzgerald said, that they're going to be breaking for biden with the 17,000 provisional ballots in allegheny county. we have about 100,000 provisional ballots state wide we know of. 60% are coming from other pockets of the state. we don't know which counties those are heavy coming into, if they're red areas, but we know

about 60,000 will be coming from outside of the two biggest strongholds, willie. >> if we can go to the allegheny county graphic, rich fitzgerald told us he would expect joe biden's lead which stands at 138,000 votes to tick up once they've counted through everything to about 150,000. maura barrett in pittsburgh. i know we'll be talking to you much more over the course of the day. guys, joe and mika, we just heard from maura we're going to get more votes out of philadelphia. it may trickle in in the middle of the afternoon. there's a lot more to count. i know our viewers are impatient. >> our viewers? >> perhaps too slowly for everyone. it's being counted the way it's supposed to be counted. there is no nefarious action going on. we have republican observers in the room just the way it was

supposed to be done. as mika pointed out earlier, the way it was designed by legislatures, which is why it's taken this long. >> for those that haven't been around for our coverage this morning that may be tuning in and you're wondering why it's still dragging on, there are a lot of different reasons, but it starts with the legislature in pennsylvania. the governor begged the republican legislature repeatedly to come up with a plan where they can follow florida's path, republicans in florida who passed legislation that allowed all of the supervisors of elections, all the county administrators, to count the ballots before election day so they could report them all, and we would have come to a decision by 10:00, 11:00 on election night like we did in the state of florida. they did not do that. they didn't do it in the state of michigan, the republicans

didn't, the le lay tur, and the republican legislature refused to do it. if you look back at the article from a month ago, many rolled their eyes at it. it was trump's and the republican party's plans on how to steal the election in the days following the election day. they were going to try to drag it out as long as they could. they were going to try to file as many lawsuits as they could, and they were going to try to get in the way of the process. that, of course, wouldn't have happened if the republican legislatures in philadelphia, michigan, and wisconsin had followed florida's leads and allowed for an efficient counting of the ballots as the ballots came in. there is no excuse for what those republican legislatures did other than, you know, trying to do donald trump's bidding, and that is why three days later, this race is still not

been called. >> you know what else they've done? they've put these poll workers -- i don't know if we can put one of the live cameras in the poll tag silts, they put these poll workers and observers at risk because they're all doing their duty to work for this democracy to help democracy work. they're doing this for the united states of america, helping count the votes. and in some of the pictures you see, there are observers that have to work together. they're exposing themselves, of course, to coronavirus and to whatever else because this has to get done. and this didn't have to happen. this could have been done in a much more organized fashion. the votes could have already been counted, but thanks to republican legislators, this is happening now and dragging out now. many see it as a strategy to give donald trump time if and when he lost the election to challenge the courts to do

something to churn up whatever it is he wants to churn up to try to buy himself some time, but what we see is american democracy at work and people putting themselves at risk to make that happen. >> yep. and, of course, it seemed evident to those republican legislators when they dragged their feet for the ballots already sitting around in their office offices, the supervisor of election offices, it seemed obvious donald trump was going to lose those states, and so, of course, they wanted to drag it out as long as they could because they knew if they had same-day vote and could call the race on election night, they could drag this out. let's bring in jon meacham. john, i'm just curious what your thoughts are right now. it looks like joe biden a, a ma who's run for president for about 30 years --

>> three times. >> it looks like joe biden is slowly but surely moving toward 270 electoral votes. what are you thinking this morning? >> well, two things really. one is that man and moment may be meeting here, right? joe biden is particularly equipped, i think, to try to negotiate such a divided country because of all of those years in the senate. that has its vices but also has its virtues. i think joe biden would restore what we had. that was a figura turn tension between fdr and ronald reagan, and it may be that that conversation was not commiss rat to all the challenges we had, but at least it's a conversation that makes sense and out of which we can make progress.

the second thing is i think we just have to take, you know, one step back, which is also a step forward. if these numbers hold, whenever they're certified, whenever they're called, all of that, he's going to have a president trump who comes into office with the same kind of margin or greater than harry truman in 1948, john kennedy in 1960, richard nixon in 1968, jimmy carter in 1976, ronald reagan in 1980, george hurt walker bush in 1988, much higher than bill clinton in '92 and in '96, and george w. bush. an so these kinds of elections in terms of the popular result are far more the rule than the exception, and i think that

people on the right are going to want to say, oh, there's no mandate, it was this muddled thing. people on the left are going to be understandably horrified that the president performed as well as he did. look, that's the debate we can have going forward. but let's not underestimate or misunderestimate that biden's victory here would be fully within the mainstream of big presidential wins. >> oh, it would be fully within the mainstream. it's something bill clinton didn't do in '92 or '96, that president bush didn't do earlier. joe biden won't make the same

claim, but he certainly will be able to claim, jon, a mandate of sorts. >> well, i think -- the other thing -- and you've just written a book about it. he's also been -- so, yes, in terms of the recent history. he will have got an higher popular volt percentapo popular vote percentage than harry truman. i think we need to have some context here. >> i always told my parents -- i've said this before on the show -- i've always told my parents when i was in law school, ma, dad, you know what they call the guy who graduates at the bottom of his law class. they said what, joe? i said lawyer.

you look at george bush in 2000. i would suggest the 13 million lives were saved in africa because of what he did against the battle of aids might disagree with that assessment, but he still had a consequential presidency. and as jon said, president truman, a guy who squeaked to victory in 1948, his presidency, a guy who was constantly urchlds estimated, mika, his presidency was perhaps the most consequential on foreign policy, in the field of foreign policy of any pretty over the past century other than fdr's. >> and we're right now looking at 27 past the hour. i've got a couple of statements from three different folks very high up in the biden campaign, which i'll read to you, but also with us we have white house correspondent for pbs news hour

and also susan del percio is still with us as well. we've read this one. it's time to start healing our country and have this election continue on like this is not healthy. also this. i've talked to three different folks here. we believe this race should have already been called, but if 35 k -- the 35 k margin is still what the networks need, then we will hit that later today. they should be able to call pennsylvania soon. another member of the campaign says we feel frustrated with the networks, but we're fine and confident. it looks like today will be the day, but they just need to call it. i tried to get a sense of how joe and jill are doing. i got five words on that. joe is calm and patient. not that joe. joe biden. willie? >> let's talk about where the white house is now. jonathan lemire is telling us there's a washing over of where

this is heading. the president continues to tweet false assertion about what's happening with the votes in certain states quickly shot down by secretaries of state, for example in arizona and in pennsylvania. what is the mood from inside the oval office and the inner circle of president trump? >> there are really two schools of thought and one is growing by the hour. the first is there is this fighting spirit where people want to get behind president trump's false claims, write they're almost making a hit list of republicans to target who are wanting to back up the president even though he has absolutely no evidence, has been delivering some of his most dishonest statements to date, and has been living in an ultimate realts. the other school of thought

that's growing by the hour, people are feeling based on my reporting, deflated, feeling this is a white house that is unwinding, this is a president becoming more and more unhinged. even people wanting to see the president re-elected, they're worried about him because he's not even beginning to try to acknowledge the fact that he's about to lose the election. he's been watching the tv. he may be getting some air and playing golf. he's in a bad mood. that means he'll be lashing out and issuing more false claims this. is a white house also dealing with yet another covid outbreak, right? in the middle of all of the election issues, you have a growing number of people coming out with the virus and that's worse news for the president. >> so susan del percio, this is something i've witnessed personally. things turn at moments like this

in the face of loss. i don't know. you've had experience winning and losing with campaigns. things change quickly. i remember when jimmy carter lost. it was, what, 24 hours the red phone was ripped out of the house, the secret service -- i mean everything was gone. everybody was gone. and oftentimes people who are right there with you, they're gone too. and i just wonder if you could speak to what yamiche was just talking about but also that position of churning that donald trump might be in where people around him exclusively bow to his every word. >> we have 74 days to go until joe biden is elected, and donald trump can do a whole lot of damage in those 74 days. of course, his immediate reactions over the next couple will be very scary, i'm guessing, a to who he lashes out to or fires whoever he has.

but i will say one alternative narrative to this long drawn outprocess is last night joe biden was able to give a speech that was presidential without taking a victory lap, that was inspiring that he was going to be a president for all of us. and also since in has been going on, guess what donald trump hasn't been able to prove? fraud. we have not heard of an abundance of stories, and i think of voter disenfranchisement or anything. i they's seeping into the public psyche. that's what's also going to push donald trump further because people aren't rallying behind him the way he wants. there isn't this big urge to say, let's keep fighting. they know he has lost, and donald trump hates to be a loser. also, i think he's very scared. watch out new york attorney general and manhattan district attorney. his whole life is going to be

changed dramatically under investigation. >> yeah. it's absolutely the case. a lot on donald trump's mind right now for sure. we're going to take a quick break. it's 32 past the hour. we're awaiting results in key battleground state. we're awaiting results in pennsylvania specifically and should be getting an update in the next few hours, but we're watching it moment by moment right here live on msnbc. >> we may be opponents, but we're not enemies. we're americans. no matter who you voted for, i'm certain of one thing. the vast majority of them, 150 million americans voted. they want to get the have it roll out of our politics. ut of s don't worry, julie...

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just look at what has happened since yesterday. 24 hours we were behind in georgia. now we're ahead, and we're going to win that state. 24 hours ago, we were behind in pennsylvania, and we are going to win pennsylvania. and now we're ahead, but we're winning in arizona, we're winning in nevada, and, in fact, our lead just doubled in nevada. we're on track to have over 300 electoral college votes, and look at the national numbers. we're going to win this race with a clear majority with the nation behind us. we've gotten over 74 million votes. let me repeat that. 74 million votes. that's more than any presidential ticket has ever gotten in the history of the

united states of america. and our vote total is still growing. we're beating donald trump by over 4 million votes. that's a margin that's still growing as well. >> i don't think it can be stated too often na joe biden has received more votes than any other candidate that has ever run for president of the united states, so you want to talk about mandates? that is, of course, a historic mandate, and if the states hold right now where joe biden is leading, he will end up with over 300 electoral votes. so there is no doubt if you look across the map in legislative races, republicans had a great day, and they overperformed all expectations. democrats had a bad day, and they're going to have trouble trying to spin that because it's

just not true, the democrats saying they had a good day are telling the truth. but when it comes to joe biden, joe biden has to be happy with these results. over 74 million people voting for him. he got more votes than any other presidential candidate in the history of the united states of america, and he's most likely going to end up with over 300 electoral votes. this is a split decision for the parties. the country has decided obviously. they want republicans to have more of a say in the legislative branch and they want joe bide on the be their next president of the united states. >> what you just heard was joe biden speaking yesterday. compare that to trump world. advisers close to donald trump are advocating for him to admit to defeat should joe biden

become the president-elect. the "washington post" reports that advisers urge trump to prepare for a defeat. yet trump is unlikely to ever concede in the traditional sense, allies said. if joe biden wins, they expect to trump basically claim the election was stolen up until the very end. according to one republican in touch with the white house, quote, they know he's lost, but no one seems willing to tell king lear or mad king george that they've lost the empire. that is very awkward, willie burke also very bad for the country, not somebody who's putting country before himself. >> yeah. and this is totally predictable, isn't it.

we've known from the very beginning of this race, if he lost, he was going to claim the election was rigged. he's been saying it for months and months and months, sort of softening the ground as we'll see later today that joe biden could become president-elect. he needs an excuse, he needs an out. remember, the coronavirus, the plague as he called it, not his fault. well it is your fault that we hit a new record. every day we're crossing 100,000 new cases moving into this darkest new time. but, joe, to your point about joe biden and the potential for 306 electoral votes f you think about going back four years ago that democrats said they needed to happen, they had to take back the upper american states, and with so much focus on pennsylvania, we can go back now sort of from east to west and look at michigan and wisconsin and joe biden did the job. that's exactly what he needed. hillary clinton was stunned in those states, lost by tiny

margins, just over 77,000 that gave the house to donald trump. the job was to take back those states and add a few more. joe biden is expected to learn today he'll win pennsylvania and will have successfully done the job. >> we've learned a couple of things. first, donald trump's election in 2016 was not black swan event. it was not a once-over. and that leads to number two. we also learned in 2016 that hillary clinton didn't botch that race as much as i said and a lot of other people had said, that actually donald trump had -- in 2016 and in 2020, had a much more loyal army, and it wasn't as simpy as looking at one letter from james comey.

it wasn't as simple as hillary clinton not visiting wisconsin enough. it wasn't as simple as hillary clinton moving workers to iowa the week of the final campaign instead of going up into michigan. even if she had run the best campaign, even if she had had four years of donald trump's tragic leadership in my opinion, even if she had had all the money, the financial advantage that joe biden had in the closing weeks of the campaign, the margin of difference between donald trump's victory in 2016 and joe biden's victories especially in wisconsin and in michigan and pennsylvania are razor thin. so it means that we underestimated -- if it is possible, we underestimated both

the lasting power of donald trump's candidacy -- i won't say message because i'm not really sure what that message is other than donald trump, and the candidacy of hillary clinton. >> well, i'll tell you -- >> steve kornacki is -- >> sorry, willie, go ahead. >> that's okay. steve kornacki is still with us. steve, i think we can show graphically what joe biden's been doing across the states that joe and i were just talking about. if you take us across from wisconsin to michigan to pennsylvania, steve, and we look at the upper midwest and what joe biden was able to do in wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania to turn this election. >> yeah. listen. we'll take a look in wisconsin. you know, biden with a victory there with 0.6% of one point. 20,000 for biden, 23,000 for trump in 2016. check this out. let's go back through three elections here in wisconsin.

this goes back to 2012. this is when barack obama was re-elected. he carried wisconsin. he carried it handily. and by the way, the republican ticket had somebody from wisconsin on it, paul ryan, and yet barack obama pretty handily won wisconsin. look at all the blue that you see in wisconsin. it's not just madison and milwaukee. that's a lot of blue here. now, when donald trump won it four years ago, check out the swing. it's like an i test here. watch the blue go to red. this is four years later. this is 2016. this is 22,700-vote trump victory. see where he started to make progress. what happens this time around? democrats trying to win back the blue collar rural areas, check out the map this time. not much changed. not much. see that? two counties, and it's very

small. biden, $49.9, trump, 48.2%. biden doing a couple of points better here, four or five points better in wachashaw. biden did a couple of ticks better in these suburbs. it held in the rest of the state. this map looks a lot like 2016. if you showed me before election day, if you showed me this map and you didn't put any numbers on it and said who wins with this map, might have thought trump got re-elected or won wisconsin again. it's very narrow, very

incremental what happened. it's similar in pennsylvania with the outstanding vote. we have a couple of switches here. here's a switch. erie county. biden looks like he's going to win erie county, narrowly. a come of years ago, trump carried it narrowly. it's a swing. it's a narrow swing wrchlt is the performance here for the democrats in pennsylvania? for biden in pennsylvania? it's in the philadelphia suburbs. it's in increasing levels of support. in chester county, biden is winning by 17 points. here, outside of philadelphia, it was ten. that's the bounce, that's the bump. that's the increase for democrats in pennsylvania. but, you know -- i'll give you another one here. lackawanna county. this is scranton.

bind talked about scranton every other sentence he spoke in this campaign. he was born in scranton. let's go back to two elections. lackawanna county was a democrat for 17-plus county in 2012. it crashed all the way down to clinton by three points in 2016. this typified the kind of gains donald trump made in states like pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin in 2016. biden, the guy from scranton who built his entire campaign around it, okay, it's better than clinton, okay, it helps him win the state, but he's nowhere in the ballpark of what democrats could pull off in lackawanna county eight years ago. so i think one of the stories in this election, those shifts on the map, the gains donald trump made in 2016, he solidified an awful lot of them. and if he is going to lose to pennsylvania, it does end up, has lost to wisconsin, ice not because he's lost a ton of those votes.

i think the suburban areas, heavily republican in wisconsin, heavily trending in pennsylvania, in both cases, that's where you see movement. that's where you see biden significantly, i would say, increasing the support from hillary clinton. that's where he wins those states. it's not in trump country. >> so, yeah. i mean we're waiting on pennsylvania, and the biden campaign really truly believes this race should already have been called for joe biden and that it is a matter of hours that this race will be called for joe biden. and then there will be so many more questions. will donald trump concede? probably not. i think most can probably predict that this president will not even make a concession speech, which is un-american really. and then in the 74 days until inauguration day, there will be a lot of questions about that. >> we'll see what happens.

>> we'll see what happens go quote the president himself. they're having a news conference today at 11:30, and i think that might confirm some of this analysis. joining us now, we're move to georgia now, a contender vying for one of the senate seats. >> what are you hearing now? >> we're headed to a runoff in this u.s. senate race and another in georgia. georgia is the only state in the country that has hosted two united states senate race this year, and both of these races will move to runoffs on january 5th, 2021, which will be decisive in controlling the united states senate. we're seeing unprecedent

enthusiasm and turnout in georgia. we've seen this state become younger and more diverse year by year by year, intensive investments in voter outreach to younger people, communities of color. all of that is paying off now. it appears that vice president biden is likely to win this state and will have dual senate runoffs in early january. >> so, jon, what are you going to do differently in this next phase of the campaign, in this runoff? it was a close race. you came up short again, though, you need dodd what you needed to get into a runoff. so obviously it because successful campaign. but what do you do to make up the difference, to cut into the 2% lead he has when you have the final election? >> we're going to have to a

record turnout. already we are conducting aggressive voter registration efforts. already we're reaching out to communities across this state to make sure folks are ready to get back out to the polls in early january because the stakes are this. the stakes are if we're going to mount an effective response to this pandemic, if we're going to contain this virus, if we're going to resource georgia's centers for disease control and prevention, if we're going to resource georgia's hospitals and hospital systems across the country, if we're going to get economic and financial relief to working families and small businesses, then we need representation in the u.s. senate that hasn't been part of this catastrophic effort to downplay this virus that my opponent has for months, to obstruct economic relief for those suffering. my opponent was one who opposed even a single initial $1,200 check for working people. we're going to have to mobilize

record turnout, and i need the help of people to get out the vote, to protect ballot access here. they can go to electjon.com to invest in this effort, to win this crucial senate runoff. >> hey, jon. good to have you on the show this morning. i was talking to a democrat who supports you and the reverend. the concern he raised was, boy, turnout is going to be tough because you don't have a presidential election on the ballot. it's january and you're not revved up to go out in the cold on january 5th. how do you tell people to come out again the way they did this week? >> hey, willie, thanks for the question. first of all, it appears that joe biden is going to win in georgia, and it is impossible to overstate the significance of that, the impact on momentum and

energy. georgia democrats have been organizing and working and working in tough battles, some won, some lost, for a decade now. and now to see joe biden poised to win this state gives us a huge head of steam headed into these runoffs. but second of all, willie, we oar still in the midst of this public health emergency. this virus is spreading out of control. a thousand are dying per day, and there's a real sense of urgency that we need to deliver pandemic response resources, for example, to the cdc, economic relief for the working people, and a recognition that to do that, we have to win the senate runoffs in early january. >> all right, jon ossoff, good luck. our special coverage continues after a quick break. the closest thing we're up to right now is more results from pennsylvania, which could be imminent. we're also going to update you

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edition of "morning joe." steve, i understand you may be getting results in from maricopa county? >> that's why i'm standing here awkwardly hitting repress. i told you maricopa is one place where when they say they're releasing votes at a certain time, they mean it. when they say 11:00 a.m. eastern, we're going to get a batch of potentially 70,000 votes. i'm going to stand here if you'll indulge me and keep clicking. there it is. okay. let me just write these down and get you what the numbers are here. biden, 1023516. trump, 977495. okay.