tv Politics Nation MSNBC November 7, 2020 2:00pm-3:00pm PST
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. it is finally time to exhale, america. joe biden is the president-elect of the united states, and kamala harris makes history as the first woman and the first black and the first asian-american vice president. and this was the moment that made it all feel real. >> we did it. we did it, joe. you're going to be the next president of the united states.
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>> celebrations erupted across the nation, the sense of relief and jubilation was palpable as americans reveled in the return of decency and competent to the white house. love also returns to the white house. the future first lady, dr. jill biden, tweeting this photo saying of her husband, he'll be a president for all of our families. joe biden's granddaughter, naomi, tweeting this incredible picture of the biden family celebrating once the victory was announced on television. and then the first ever future second gentleman, doug emhoff tweeting this adorable photo saying of his wife, so proud of you. very cute. more than 75 million americans, a record, voted for a leader who today reminded us that democracy is deep in the heart of america while calling on us to put the anger behind us and come together as a nation. we'll hear from the country's
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newly elected leader in about two hours as president-elect joe biden and vice president-elect kamala harris they speak from wilmington, delaware. they will address the nation for the first time ever and talk about their historic victory. yes, there is a lot of work to do. the president-elect has inherited a wrajrage pandemic a the worse crisis since the depression. but let's take a moment to take this in. just take it in. take in this victory that belongs to every single one of you who fought, who organized, who marched, who called representatives and, of course, those who voted, our mvps. to every single person who refused to let trump demolish our institutions, who rejected his plot against democracy and believed instead in what america can become and what america's promise is. joining me is ali vitaly. okay, emmy, what are we expecting to hear from the president-elect and the vice
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president-elect this evening? >> reporter: this is an event in this parking lot we have, frankly, be staked out in for days now, an event we thought was happening yesterday and then there was no call of gd getting to 270, so the event was pulled back. we heard from him anyway, but this is the event they've been planning on. you can probably hear a bit of music in the background. we're seeing cars start pulling in. this is all in preparation for tonight when the sun goes down. there's going to be lights. i'm told there's potential for fireworks. really celebrating the victory that the biden team for days now has been telling us they felt was imminent. it's finally here. as far as joe biden, we've heard these themes from him before, the idea of healing the nation. even in a statement that he put out today, he was saying this was the time for america to heal. and so clearly that is going to be so key in his remarks. it's the way that he ran. i imagine now it will be the way that he will governor and certainly several crises on the
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radar soon he assumes that position. the transition team already gearing up with a covid task force. out on the campaign trail, that was focal point for both joe biden and kamala harris. our colleague, mike memoli, teasing out some new details about how joe biden found out he won. you showed that picture from naomi biden. mike memoli hearing from a source familiar that joe biden was at home this morning enjoying the unseasonably warm weather when his grandchildren ran in and told him that he won. that picture was taken soon after. and so really a family affair as so much is with this biden campaign and joe biden himself. i would also point out what this moment is on another historic front, not just joe biden getting the job that he's been questing for 32 some odd years since he first ran for president in 1988, but historic in that kamala harris, the first female vice president, you and i talked about this on your podcast, joy. a lot of little girls out there right now for halloween dressing
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in their blazers and chuck taylors. now tonight seeing themselves in the next vice president-elect of the united states, kamala harris. >> nbc's ali vitaly who was great on the podcast yesterday. thank you so much from wilmington, delaware. joining me from near the white house is nbc's garrett haake. i have gotten texts about this. i've seen the coverage, so i know there's a party out there. talk about whether or not you're hearing moans, groans or whales comi -- wales comi wails coming from inside the building. >> this is black lives matter plaza. this is as close as i can get to the core before our transmission stops working. this area has been packed all day long. down the street there's almost like a walking parade that's been going on up and down the street. this has been going on for hours, almost from the minute that the call was made. earlier i talked to a group of students from johns hopkins who
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heard the call, got on a train in baltimore and came down here. they knew that this was the place to be, this street, that plaza has become so symbolic since the events after george floyd's killing, the protests here, getting cleared out. i was one of the reporters who got pepper sprayed and forced out of this plaza by police. it's become essentially the headquarters of the resistance to this white house in this city. the president was out golfing. this guy is here. he's having a good time. the president was out golfing earlier today. he came back and he absolutely had to see and deal with this crowd. i'm told that it is audible on the lawn of the house if not inside the armored interior. i suspect this will be going on for quite some time, joy. d.c. historically democratic, never really embraced this president who also never really embarrassed this city in any way. not a lot of tears shed to see him leave. a lot of excitement about this
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incoming administration that looks, frankly, so much more like this district jodi. >> absolutely. nbc's garrett haake, thank you very much. out there with the party. joining me now, the mayor of atlanta, keisha lance bottoms. claire misconduct cask, and al sharpton, host of "politicsnation" on msnbc. i got to go with the mayor first because the new sign that apparently is going to replace maga is paga, and the g-a in that stands for georgia. a lot of people thanking george. john legend even saying georgia on my mind. talk about the mood in georgia, the mood in atlanta, and how much pride is your city taking in having delivered the white house to one joe biden. >> oh, my goodness. i woke up to john legend the other morning and it really has captured the mood of our state.
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we are so proud to play such a big part in this historical election. when you look at georgia and you look at the turnout that we had, it represented the diversity of this country. nobody thought that we could do it this year. and we've gone blue, even if just for a moment. obviously we are still a battleground state and the battle is not over because we know that we have two senate seats coming up in january. but i tell you, joy, it feels absolutely amazing and i couldn't be more proud of my state. >> you know, claire, i can tell you, i worked on a campaign a in 2004 as a press secretary. when this sunk in that we weren't going to win against george w. bush, even at the end, the dream, the driving dream for democrats as democrats were looking at it was that one day the two states they would love to see flip and that they could see in the distance eventually being battleground states were
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literally georgia and arizona. i remember those conversations like they were yesterday. they saw those two states in the distance because of the demographics and because they saw where colorado and the west were going. but georgia in particular has been something the democrats have coveted for a really, really long time. what's the significance of this state maybe setting itself up to be the the next, i don't know, virginia? >> well, this is a really big deal. one of the reasons that georgia has become so competitive is because they've seen great growth. you have a much more diverse population of georgia. i mean, just look at this amazing mayor of atlanta. look at the votes that we garnered out of there because it is not, you know, just the stereotypele thing people think of when they think of the south. it is a highly educated, highly effective, economically powerful state. and the fact that it is trending towards us is a big deal.
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now, i know -- i mean, georgia, you talk about pressure. this mayor and stacy and all the others are under tremendous pressure because these elections in january for these senate seats are a huge deal to our country. here's what i want to say. all the national people ought to get out of there and let these women in georgia figure it out. they don't need all these national big wigs coming in there. let these women who have figured out how to harness these votes, let them be in charge of what we do january 5th. >> stacey abrams' job if she gets a job should be secretary of whatever the hell she wants because she's like a national treasure. and i say that -- and then go to my pretend pastor, reverend. i got to go to you. reverend al sharpton, who will forgive me because he's a pastor and he's my friend for using a cuss word. rev, the thing about politics --
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you ran for president so you understand this. every single state is basically blue cities and red country. red, sort of rural. all states are sort of built that way. it feels like democrats are starting to expand their imagination about where they can win because the reality is there's a blue part of utah. there's a blue part of every state. it's just a matter of marshaling those votes and getting enough voters registered and willing to turn out. what lessons do you think that the biden campaign has maybe taught democrats about politics? >> the biden campaign taught the party, the democratic party, to stop segregating yourself and locking yourself out of an expanded campaign. joe biden is culturally more like a lot of the areas that they had neglected even trying to get into, more so than donald trump. he is one of the regular guys. he is mr. everybody in rural
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pennsylvania or in kentucky. and i think that it's related. kamala harris is black and asian and woman. and i don't think in all of our jubilation tonight we ought to forget that they paid a price to knock these barriers down, including mayor bottoms who's on with us, who was shunned by some for going with joe biden when it wasn't popular, before south carolina, but stood up anyway. that's been the tradition of a lot of our women. emedical i can emilia boykin was sprayed on the ed made up pettus bridge. we see kamala harris coming from a litany of people who paid a price, including hillary clinton. this is not just some victory that jumped out like a joack in the box. it's a technologies of people who refused to turn around even
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when they faced a head wind. now they won tonight by showing that a middle class guy from scranton, pennsylvania, and a woman raised from the west coast could bring this country back from the brinks of democracy faltering for a long time. >> don't let the jamaicans out because they are jubilant right now. there was a lot of disappointment that jamie harrison didn't win in south carolina. but the reality is south carolina, mississippi, georgia, the south delivered joe biden, really, this nomination. he was dead in the water after new hampshire and iowa, these states that are oversized in the imagination of american politics but when it got south to the southern states, biden swept them all. he swept every single southern state. alabama helped deliver him as much as people are disappointed about doug jones losing there.
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the south really delivered joe biden into the position where he could then deliver the country away from donald trump. >> you know, joy, back in february i said the south's got something to say and that's all i'm going to say, andre 3,000 at his best. but i knew there was something historic that could happen in the south looking at our demographic shift. and when you, again, look at the turnout and the voter registration that we have across this state, the same things are ripe to happen in other southern states. and so when joe biden visited just before the end of the campaign, i wore a shirt that said atlanta influences everything. and it is, you know, this model in atlanta, but it really is who we are. we are the center of the southeast in so many ways, and so goes atlanta, so goes georgia, so goes other southern states. when you look at mississippi,
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you know that the demographics are there. with the right voter registration effort and with the right turnout, mississippi can also go blue. and i know it can happen in south carolina and alabama as well. >> let's not leave out the midwest, claire, but the reality is this was a victory for joe biden. there was a combination of marshaling the base of the democratic party, black women came in 95% for biden, which is what black women do, even when black men fall slightly. but then you swing up to the midwest and you're -- he might have been the only candidate in that 22 people who ran who had the ability to maybe deliver back those three brexit states, pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan, because if he can get a strong enough black vote out of places like detroit and milwaukee, kenosha, detroit, all those places, philadelphia, and he could just ease a little bit of that white working class vote
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away from donald trump, he could win. the exit polls show that's exactly what he did. he performed better even if he didn't win them outright, with white working class voters, and all that talk of the suburbs, biden won the suburbs. can you talk about that formula and how that worked for this candidate? >> well, you have to give the biden campaign credit. there were so many people, you know, grassroot him they were doing it wrong, that he needed to go to texas, spending more time in this state or that state. this campaign learned something important. this is where barack obama's campaign was a role model, discipline. they were so disciplined. they focused over and over and over again on those issues they knew were really important in those three states. and they delivered those three states. and it is remarkably effective what they manage. now, we still have work to do in the midwest. ohio went down by a margin that was much larger than we expected.
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we thought we had a chance in iowa. we ended up not having a chance. my state there's still a 15-point margin for donald trump. indiana, same story. so we've got more work to do, particularly in rural areas talking about some of the economic issues. we've got a tremendous coalition of democratic party and we got to stay united. but that doesn't mean we can't add some economic issues that will resonate in rural america >> by the way there was a lot of hawing about the latino vote. but they were so confident about arizona because the white vote tied in arizona. biden won the hispanic vote all across the country except miami-dade. talk about the lessons for governing. there's a lot of people who are already trying to downflay biden victory and say he got over 50%, which is more than george w. bush ever got. how do you think he should come in in? how much swagger should he have walking into the white house
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with the margins that he had and with the demographic groups that he carried? >> he should come in the white house with the swagger of being a guy that wants to heal, not the swagger of arrogance, but a swagger of that we are in a country that 230,000 people died from a pandemic that this president should've alerted us in january when he was informed that this could be deadly. he should come in with an agenda to deal with the racial divide that this president brought us to all kinds of peril when he started talking about good people on both sides in charlottesville. he should coming saving the affordable care act because millions of americans with pre-existing conditions that have now gone up with covid-19 -- he has to come in proud that america came together to elect him, but uniting america. we should give him enough room to reach across the aisle.
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we should give him and kamala harris the room to do that. but also letting them know that their commitments they made, they will keep. i'm confident. i've known joe biden a long time. we disagreed in the '90s but we worked together the last 20 years. i believe that he has the backbone to do that, and i know that kamala harris has the backbone to do that. and i think that the preacher in me says at this point in history, god probably created both of them for times such as this. >> you can get an amen on that. mayor keisha lance bottoms, her city puts the g-a in paga. reverend al sharpton, thank you so much, always great talking with all three of you. we'll bring you back on another show. later this evening we'll hear from president-elect joe biden himself. he's scheduled to speak at 8:00 p.m. eastern from wilmington, delaware. also speaking tonight, the vice
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president-elect of the united states, one kamala harris. we'll talk about her historic victory which has had such a profound effect on so many americans. listen to one atlanta mom's reaction today. >> being able to see someone who looks like her, who looks like him, it's going to really help them and help other children to know how far they can go in this world. >> reporter: you got emotional on the first question. what's going your mind? talk to me. >> the last four years have been really hard for parents. and i feel like we've created a better opportunity and a better world for our children. and that means a lot today. let me tell you something,
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victorious. his path to the nomination was fueled by black americans, and more importantly, by black women. and tonight they finally have a seat at the table. 48 years ago congresswoman shirley chisholm became the first major party candidate to run for president. >> friends, i am a candidate for the presidency of the united states. i make that statement proudly with the full knowledge that as a black person and a female person i do not have a chance of actually gaining that office in this election year. i make that statement seriously, knowing that my candy itself can change the face and future of american politics. >> tonight vice president-elect kamala harris, the daughter of jamaican and indian immigrants will be the first black woman and the first southing asian-american woman in our country's 244-year history to enter the white house as a leader. joining me now, errin haines and
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president for the center of american progress representing both sides of the kamala harris demographic in this panel. errin haines, i woke up to your piece, i tweeted it out. i'm so proud of you. she gave you her first interview, jealous jealous jealous, but it was a great interview when she was named as the vp nominee. i'm going to let you flow. people need to read your piece, you wrote their pragmatism helped unemployment harris. their determination helped elect them both. the floor is yours, ma'am. >> thank you so much, joy. i mean, listen, it is a really remarkable moment that we find ourselves in this evening. i've written for the past four years to tell this country what i think the nation is realizing with this election, which is that black women are the backbone of this democracy and they have long even before they had the right to vote been
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working to perfect this union. you know, this is really a victory for black women, as much as it is anything else tonight and a victory for vice president biden and obviously history-making for senator kamala harris. but, i mean, i cannot be understated that we will have a woman as the number two person in the country for the first time ever and not just, you know, a scripted series on a cable network. this is real. this is going to be real for people for the next four years. you know, kamala harris is obviously somebody who has been a trail blazer, but this is certainly the highest ceiling that has been broken by any woman, but for it to happen with a woman of color, a black woman a woman of indian descent, representation matters. you know, she carries with her not only african-americans, but the historically black college community, the black greek community, which is losing their minds right now. >> we can't live with the akas
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right now. >> howard university, i mean, every day is homecoming for those folks for the next four years. i don't even know. but, i mean, it speaks to that representation. i mean, more than 230 years after the constitution was written here in philadelphia, this city, the founding fathers couldn't have imagined somebody like kamala harris being, you know, governing this country. yet here she is coming in as the second most powerful person in america come january 20th. i mean, it really cannot be understated, the history, the poetry of this moment and what it will mean regardless of your politics. this is a significant milestone for this democracy and kamala harris was somebody who wasn't even on the ballot for the primary. and now she's on her way to the white house. truly something. >> absolutely. i know my mother just loved shirley chisholm because she was
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guyian ease. the west indian community is so proud of her and excited about her. but there's also a lot of pride in the indian-american community. my friend ali velshi was hosting earlier today. it might have been when he was on or when lawrence was on. there was an indian-american woman talking about it getting teary that she's so proud, you know, that her community is also going into the white house with this kind of power and representation. and i have a former producer who's indian-american who said his mom was, you know, calling into wisconsin and phone banking and is so proud to know that somebody that shares her heritage is also going to be the vice president of the united states. talk about that community and how people feel. >> first i'll just say, you know, i've been in politics a while now. and i never thought i would see in my lifetime the daughter of
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an indian immigrant in the white house as a vice president, and a woman. it's just breathtaking. what's historic about it is t t that, you know, obviously history in the making itself, but she inspired so many people to get involved in politics for the first time. i mean, if you look at what happened in georgia, the turnout of indian americans in the suburbs went through the roof. that's in large part because of her and what happened in texas in the cities, a lot of asians turned out because of kamala and because of this ticket. this is a historic moment. it is absolutely a historic moment for black women who have been carrying the principles of the democratic party. but this ticket and what we've seen in the resistance is we've seen a multigenerational,
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multiracial resistance to trump that has carried the option to trump for four years and then organized politically and the rust belt and georgia and arizona for the democratic party. that is -- that is a multiracial, multigenerational, white, black, asian, latino, people deciding to take the country back. and it is -- it is -- it is amazing. >> absolutely. and i think for a lot of women who were taken aback by hillary clinton not winning the white house, it's sort of vindication that women made a huge comeback. now the eye of sauron turns to georgia. i hear that georgia accent. atlantaens are now back under pressure because now you got two
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big senate races coming up in georgia. this is stacey abrams -- has never been under a bigger spotlight. talk a little bit about what that contest is going to look like, 700,000 new voters were registered through the god-blessed work of stacey abrams and her organization. can that be replicated as you're looking at it on the ground in georgia in january? >> well, i think it absolutely can. georgia, atlanta in particular are no stranger to runoffs. the atlanta mayor's race has been a runoff for the past several cycles. black voters are used to hunkering down, circling back, to do what needs to be done in atlanta. and i think that georgia, you know, with its newfound swagger as a battleground state can continue to be competitive straight through january. it is going to be largely because of the work of the black women who in the centennial year of suffrage, 55 years after the
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voting rights act, are absolutely flexing their power and letting it be known that they are a force to be recenkon with in this democratic process. at the top of that list is absolutely stacey abrams who had the vision to see that georgia and the south, frankly, were in play. mayor bottoms, but also, i mean, the democratic party chairs of counties like gwenet,e or cobb county, lisa cupid. you have black colleges who are ready to galvanize black voters to turn out one more time in georgia and potentially make the senate blue as well. >> shout out to latosha brown who was all over the country who made this happen. interesting to watch it happen and i know that you'll be covering it, errin haines. thank you so much.
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this is quite a day. thank you both. up next, as president-elect joe biden has said himself, it's time to get to work. a look at the transition and the challenges that he will face leading a deeply, deeply divided country. you're clearly someone... ...who takes care of yourself. so when it comes to screening for colon cancer, don't wait. because when caught early, it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers... ...even in early stages.
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music? the campaign also begins the transition to taking power as the country remains very much on edge. the coronavirus is still raging throughout the country with nearly, get this, nearly 10 million confirmed cases and more than 238,000 deaths. that includes a new wave of cases in the white house with
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chief of staff mark meadows and as many as five other aides testing positive according to "the new york times." joining me karen bass from california, the home state of vice president-elect kamala harris, and adviser for the obama administration. i want to let you react to what has happened with your fellow californian and fellow black woman about to be vice president. i'll give you a minute to just go ahead and react. >> i have to tell you, it's a glorious moment. we are celebrating here in california and in los angeles. everybody is tweeting and talking to each other. so we're very proud. and also from the cbc. >> congressional black caucus in the house. you know vice president biden very well. you are a long time friend and ally. how do you think he comes in and does this? listen, people were like, don't get on trump voters. and people were like, why not?
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i mean, people are not really feeling a lot of charity toward people who voted for donald trump right now, understandably, given what's happened over the last four years. but biden seems to be the type who wants to do the with malice toward none thing. >> i absolutely expect that that is the way that he is going to lead, and that is exactly what the country needs right now. the country needs to heal. we need to lower the temperature. and then remember our number one problem is the fact that 230 plus thousand americans that have died. and i do think that, first of all, we have seen him as he has spoken periodically throughout this week, assuming the position and the behavior and the tone of a president. and i think that's what he's going to do. i think that his administration is going to be very diverse, the exact opposite of the trump administration. it's going to look like america. >> ben, i'll let you dunk a little bit too if you like.
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listen, the obama administration is probably like, we back, okay? so i get it. so if you want to dunk, feel free. there's serious issues. joe biden is going to come in with 9.867469, that's the number of people with covid. biden has already announced he's going to have a task force that's going to be led by cochairs. dr. marcela nunes smith of yale university and he said he's doing that first. that's the first thing that he announced. i assume that you think that that's just going to be one, two, three, four five. >> absolutely. but they've been preparing for this. you mentioned the obama/biden administration. he has people around him as well who were involved in the effort to stamp out ebola. he has a lot of talent he's bringing into the administration with him, starting on day one, and i think the task from now until january 20th is for them
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to get up to speed, get into agencies, figure out what the response is. here's the thing, joy. for the first time they will be listening to the scientists, the people who've been ignored for the last seven months will suddenly have people listening to them so that we as a country can get our arms around this on january 20th. people will see how quickly how irrelevant donald trump becomes. when you make the turn from being a candidate to president-elect, the trappings of the office start to surround you. you start to draft executive orders, to re-enter the paris agreement. you start announcing your cabinet. the center of political gaeravi is shift to go joe biden. he's going to have momentum and the biggest vote total of any person ever elected to the office of the presidency. he's going to have this kind of cathartic euphoria that you see in the streets of our country
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right now. he's going to have the support of world leaders. and the people around the world who are looking at these scenes and seeing, wait, this is the big multiracial, multiethnic democracy that we love and admire. this is not the anti-ththesis o that. he's going to get a lot of people behind him, a lot of expertise on his team, and, frankly, i think he goes into this as qualified and prepared for this job as any person who's ever taken that office. >> i think to that very point, representative bass, he to me is very similar to an lbj who was senate majority leader when he was there. so he knew the senate, knew it in and out. he knew congress very well. how do you think that that sits him in a position to deal with the ogre that is mitch mcconnell, who has shown no interest in the american people's welfare, no interest in doing a covid relief bill other
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than stacking the federal judiciary? how do you expect biden to deal with the likes of him now that he's re-elected? >> first of all, i think, you know, of course the good news is that we still maintained our majority in the house. we still have speaker pelosi at the helm. and i am very hopeful given that he has known mitch mcconnell for decades that he will be able to leverage that. there's so much goo will for him in the senate because there's so many historic relationships there. so i'm hopeful. i'm hopeful that mitch mcconnell might decide to govern, might decide to do something other than confirm judges. how about passing the h.e.r.o.e.s. act, the george floyd justice and policing act? >> i'm sorry. representative, seriously, though. on a real, real, i know we're feeling good today. we're all high on excitement that finally we have saved democracy. but you and i both know that
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mitch mcconnell could give a damn about passing a h.e.r.o.e.s. act, could give a damn -- seriously. h.r. 1 he said was dead on arrival because it had too much voting rights act stuff on it. this man doesn't care and now he doesn't have to ever face the trump base ever again in re-election. he's 78 years old. he's in there probably for life. what incentive would heavy to do a single thing other than sit back and do an evil laugh for four years? >> well, again, i am certainly hopeful that that will change. but how about this, joy? how about the fact that i'm now willing to concede that mitch mcconnell is going to be the majority leader. we have these two seats, and, frankly, a lot of accolades needs to go to stacey abrams for her work in georgia. but, you know, all hands on deck for these two senate seats. and if we win these senate seats, then it's not an issue about mitch mcconnell because we'll have vice president harris to break the tie. >> we'll see what happens. congresswoman karen bass of
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kaech california. the world reactions to the election of joe biden as the 46th president of the united states. say that again, president biden, and not a single person believes not a word of trump's rhetoric about fraud. the mayor of paris, france, tweeting welcome back, america! more reaction overseas on this historic day. stay with us. at dell technologies, we started by making the cloud easier to manage. but we didn't stop there. we made a cloud flexible enough to adapt to any size business. no matter what it does, or how it changes. and we kept going. so you only pay for what you use. because at dell technologies, we stop...at nothing. ♪
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president-elect as well. richard engel in london. thank you so much for being here. i have so many questions. i want to start with the shift in tone that you're seeing from leaders around the world who have had to deal with donald trump, who they went from obama in some cases have been there for a long time to trump and his pulling away from allies. what's the level of relief that sort of normal america is back in charge? >> there is a profound sense of relief. there is joy even. it is normal for countries around the world and governments to congratulate the president-elect of the united states. but this time was different. there was a palpable hope that the united states could go back to a normal foreign policy and that this era of trump when everything is personalized is over. president trump sees the world in very -- in two different camps. there are s-hole countries, countries that are poor,
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countries that produce refugees, countries that are in his view of no value, countries that are muslim that shouldn't be allowed to send their people to the united states, and countries that are valuable to him personally. and that was the way the world understood president trump. you were either an s-hole country and you were worthless, or you could be personally valuable to him. so world leaders had to cater to him, had to cater to his whims. there was also a sense that president trump was delusional. i was here in london at a protest, and whenever he came to london, there were protests, and they were insulting him. they were giving him the finger. they were selling toilet paper with his picture on it. they were flying the baby trump blimp, which was a symbol that went around the world depicting president trump as an obnoxious little baby. and he went on the say that there was a big crowd welcoming him. so if you live in this suspended reality, how do you deal with
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that? so world leaders figured out the only way to deal with that is to flatter him, to try and get in his good books. you saw emmanuel macron had a lavish party for him, and that worked for a little while for france. the same thing with saudi arabia. the crown prince gave a lot of attention to president trump and his family and jared kushner and was literally able to get away with murder with the murder of jamal khashoggi. the world saw what happened with ukraine and the famous perfect phone call when president trump asked for an investigation into hunter biden through his surrogates, and if he didn't get it, he was going to withhold military aid. so everything was transactional to him personally. and there is a hope now that the u.s. will return to a more normal, to a more moral, and to a more sane foreign policy. >> let me go through very quickly. the pretext to what trump did was brexit.
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and brexit produced boris johnson's leadership. but he tweets out the u.s. is our most important ally. i look forward to working close loy live together. you see people realigning themselves to the regular reality is back. the access of autocrats is done. we're not going to be buddies with north korea. how easily is it going to be for the u.s. to get back -- on the grid so to speak? you had emmanuel macron tweet out some very positive things. justin trudeau, our traditional allies are back out there. china, state news mocking donald trump. how easy is it for us to work our way back into the nato alliance at this point? >> very, very easy. i think we've already seen it tonight. i think the door has been swung open for president-elect biden, for the united states to come back to the fold. you saw that tweet, and i think you mentioned it earlier from the mayor of paris. welcome back, america. there was a cartoon in "der
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spiegel" in which the statue of liberty is being made whole again. the head is being put back on the statue of liberty. and it says "we're making america great again," meaning america as the world knew it, this symbol of democracy, which is important, which seemed broken that america is a place where people can go. they can work hard and get a fair shot and have the ability to change their leaders. that example to the world had been tarnished. and i think around the world people feel that the united states with this election redeemed itself, redeemed as a symbol of democracy. >> very quickly, i'm almost out of time, but talk about the middle east. the one country that might be sad today is israel which got a lot out of president trump, and the palestinians now feel maybe there is some hope that they might be treated like human beings. what do you think the mood is in the middle east? >> well, everything with president trump was very transactional. and he made a lot of very
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favorable transactions to israel. he moved the capital to jerusalem. he made a lot of moves to allowing a normalizing settlements, the golan heights, gave israel basically everything it had been asking for. there was a lot of talk, and i think among israelis, the idea was that he was trying to appeal to evangelicals back home. israelis didn't think it was out of a love for them. it was because it was about donald trump. so there are those who saw a benefit to having president trump giving them everything they wanted, whether this is going to bring peace to the middle east i think is a much more complicated answer. >> it always. richard engel, thank you so much for some of your time. great talking to you as always. we are expecting to hear from president-elect biden for the first time in just a few hours. of course, we're going bring that to you live. our coverage continues with this. stay with us. when panera's chef claes makes a pizza,
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