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well, good evening, once again, as we continue our special election coverage. the election of joe biden. noisy celebrations continue, tonight, and for that matter, around our country, as joe biden and kamala harris are now preparing to assume power. today, it finally, indeed, became official. they are now president-elect and vice president-elect. in just 74 days, both will take the oath of office. >> the people of this nation have spoken. they've delivered us a clear victory, a convincing victory. a victory for we, the people.
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for all those of you who voted for president trump, i understand the disappointment, tonight. i've lost a couple times, myself. but now, let's give each other a chance. this is the time to heal, in america. >> you delivered a clear message. you chose hope and unity, decency, science, and, yes, truth. what a testament it is to joe's character, that he had the audacity to break one of the most substantial barriers that exists in our country, and select a woman as his vice president. the road ahead will not be easy, but america is ready. and so are joe and i. >> biden's win makes donald
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trump the first, one-term president, in over a quarter century after the four divisive and chaotic years of the trump white house. not long after the announcement of his loss, the president, who spent much of this day at his golf resort, began posting. said his campaign will, start prosecuting our case in court to ensure election laws are fully upheld and the rightful winner is seated. meanwhile, joe biden and kamala harris are focus on their new administration, tonight. biden announced he would name his coronavirus task force. an actual coronavirus task force, mind you, on monday. according to "the new york times," the biden team has accelerated the transition planning. focusing, first, on the white house staff with cabinet posts
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likes likely named around thanksgiving time. reversing trump policies soon after, including the paris climate accord, it's a lot with us, tonight, from wilmington, delaware, karine jean-pierre. good to see you. congratulations. thank you for coming on. is job one an uncontrolled pandemic, obviously, makes this transition so different just as it made this campaign different from any other. >> as you know, brian, when we were talking about our closing argument for the campaign, we talked about the three -- the four crises that this country -- that americans in this country are facing.
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covid-19, as you just laid out. coronavirus. and also, the economy. the mismanagement of covid-19 has led to a downturn in our economy. systemic racism. dealing with that, in a real way. and climate crisis. so, yes, what we saw behind me tonight was history. was history in the making. we saw kamala harris break the hardest, tallest, ceilings in this country. we saw candidate biden and former vice president biden transform into president-elect. and this was a hard-fought campaign. it was divisive. it was hard fought. but, clearly, as you know, we won and now we have to go about the people's business. now, we're going to lay out what -- what -- what the biden/harris administration is going to look like. and as you just talked about, coronavirus is top on that list. we need to -- more than 8 million people have -- have cases of coronavirus.
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we have more than 230,000 people who have died in this country, alone, of -- of the virus. now, we have vice president -- i should say president-elect biden is ready to lead and put forth his plan, along with vice president-elect, kamala harris. >> well, it's nice to hear you stumble over that because all of us, in this business, are getting used to new titles as well. you spend enough years calling somebody. >> muscle memory. muscle memory, brian. >> exactly. thank you for making time for us. safe travels. good luck to you all, and congratulations on this outcome. >> thank you very much. let's turn our conversation to our lead-off guest tonight. peter baker, correspondent for "the new york times." joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. and david plough, former
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adviser. welcome to all three, returning veterans. peter baker, you are the page one journalist among us. what is the story, as you see it, after the week we've just had with the level of anxiety as it's been in the country? >> well, brian, as you know, any transition, from one president to another, is a big moment in the country's history. but i don't think i could think of any where the change has been so drastic and so radical. and so emotional, obviously, for people who support president-elect biden. i imagine it's also quite emotional for people who support president trump. president-elect biden made a point of reaching out to them tonight in his speech. he tried to say to them i'm not going to just be president for the people who voted for me but who voted against me as well. this is a different tone than we have heard in the last four years. president trump, you know, this administration who did not see
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very many points to try to reach out beyond the people who voted for him, to begin with. just not interested in unity so much as he was division. and obviously, that's going to be biden's challenge and the economy sitting on the to-do list when he arrives january 20th. >> it was symone sanders that reminded that there's nothing in the constitution about conceding office. there's a lot of thins about taking office. and my question to you, as an attorney of note, do any of these legal challenges that you see and have read out there, since the president is predicating his lack of concession on them. do any of them have merit? do any of them hold water? >> just because you scream, in all capital letters, on twitter doesn't make it true. and so, the president is clearly going to continue to insist that
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only the votes that were cast for him are lawful. that votes that were cast for biden are not legal. and he has nothing to back that up. he is 0 for 9, now, in the courts. most of -- they don't even challenge the legitimacy of the votes. so the problem is this. trump has very often gotten the public to go along with him, when there is no evidence to back up what he is saying. we have seen a few republicans, roberto gonzales, for example, said that trump should concede and there is no merit to the lawsuits. whether other members of the republican party will cabin the behavior or setting this clear tone and expectation, and if that will be enough to get us to
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inauguration day. >> also, joyce, i have to ask if you share eugene robinson's fair of what could happen in the 73 remaining days. and obviously, would be concerns over the attorney general. but do you think enough eyes will be on this administration? >> you know, sunlight has always been the best disinfectant with this administration. a lot of times, exposing misconduct to the public view has been enough to reign it in, at least a little bit. we saw that with the shenanigans at the post office. perhaps, some of the worst damage was avoided. but the president has roughly 72 days left. and what we're really looking at is a child in the oval office, throwing a temper tantrum. someone who's never been subject to the law. who's managed, for four years,
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to avoid legal consequences for any of his behavior. and now, i'll face the reality that, when he leaves the white house, he loses a lot of the protection the office he has sat in has afforded him. so i think it's a dangerous moment. it's important for people to be on alert, particularly when it comes to pardons. we may see him prospectively pardoning people or where investigations are underway. of course, he can't protect them from state prosecutions, only from federal. but the reality is, brian, he has a lot of power. and eugene is right to say that this is a very dangerous time we're entering into. >> indeed. david plough, i have two questions for you. the first of which, calls for you to get your kornacki on. a lot of people heard the main result, this morning, and went outside like it was a fire drill.
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and haven't checked back in twih the race. what states are the democrats waiting for? >> well, now, we're just waiting for arizona. so i would expect the biden lead holds up but i wouldn't be surprised if the margin gets down to 15 or 20,000. my -- if you look historically, a race, maybe 100, 500, or even a thousand votes, the recount may change the outcome. but we generally don't see that. and i make this point. if you look at 2016, donald trump won pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin, between the three. you know, joe biden's margins will be triple that. this is not a close race. in fact, you know, 2008, barack obama won 305 electoral votes with biden as his running mate. i mean, biden's going to be close to that so we need to see
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what happens. obviously, i think much more important now that biden's been declared the winner is those two runoffs in january. >> as a party guy, are you fearful of the work that lays ahead of the democratic party? i am looking, chiefly, at the results of a whole lot of races across the country, splisespeci in the house. >> listen. it wasn't the election, maybe, of our dreams with a landslide. but we always knew donald trump was going to get great turnout. he's on top of the ballot. but you win a presidency, we did lose a few house races but, you know, 2018 was kind of a high-water mark. now, we know from stacey abrams and '18 and biden now winning the state or at least ahead, we have got the numbers. runoffs and special elections
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have their own dynamic. but you're not going to need a miracle to pull off these races. you know the numbers are there if you can execute good campaigns and turnout. you know, the republican party has their challenges, too. they have suburban women that have left them, in droves. trump did slightly better amongst hispanic men and african-american men. but still, biden dominating. and the question is how can you solidify the gains he's had? trump was able to maintain those margins and drive huge turnout. so if we want to have the opportunity to get to 250 in the house, again, you have got to get more competitive in rural areas. but i think the republican party has a lot of problems in front of them. and changing demographics, as we know, are accelerating. and georgia and arizona, now, could this decade become the
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new -- and that completely scrambles the electoral college. >> yeah, i hear you. peter baker, it always sounds vaguely patronizing to say about a fellow adult, he or she will get there, eventually. they need to -- they need to get to a certain place, mentally. but that is where we are, concerning the president of the united states. what has been your sense? who are the grown-ups who can either walk in or pick up the phone? who are -- who are the grown-ups that can talk to donald trump, after a period where the -- the anger has let loose? >> yeah. it's a great question. i think, you know, we went back yesterday and watched some of the great concession speeches. and you can do a lot to enhance your reputation, even in defeat, with a great concession speech. look what john mccain did or al gore did in 2000. and yet, i don't think that is
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what we are going to see here. i don't know who could actually talk him into giving up, at this point, what seems to be a pretty, you know, impossible effort to challenge an election. none of these lawsuits, as joyce said, carry the weight of overturning the election. you wonder if mitch mcconnell or a lindsey graham or someone who's had his back so loyally and consistently over these last couple years, three years, four years, will have the ability to talk to him and say, okay. you did your best and now it's time to -- to -- to transition to a new president. and i don't know. i don't know if he listens to, if anybody, honestly. nobody in that white house, clearly, has that stature with him. nobody that works for him would have that capacity with him. it would have to be an outside ally that he respects. he respects basically his own instincts and his instincts are fight, fight, fight, and never
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give up. we could be in for a very long 70 days even though i don't think he could do much to change the outcome. >> peter baker, joyce vance, david plough. thank you so much for standing by with us and coming on with us. coming up. the london mayor today said it's time to get back to building bridges, not walls. we'll get more reaction from around the world to this biden/harris win when our special coverage continues. humira patients,... ...this one's for you. you inspired us to make your humira experience even better... with humira citrate-free. it has the same effectiveness you know and trust, but we removed the citrate buffers, there's less liquid, and a thinner needle... with less pain immediately following injection. ask your doctor about humira citrate-free. and you can use your co-pay card to pay as little as $5 a month. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections,... ...including tuberculosis, and cancers,
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it's time to put away the harsh rhetoric, see each other again, listen to each other again. and to make progress, we have to stop treating our opponents as our enemies. they are not our enemies. they are americans. >> for a time there, today, it
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seemed like no one could possibly be home in new york, washington, philadelphia, los angeles, san francisco. as people headed into the streets. we'll add atlanta. nbc news correspondent, rehema ellis was out in philadelphia today. and tonight, rehema, was there a pride of authorship considering philadelphia's going to get credit for putting joe biden over the top? >> you bet there was, brian. people were celebrating, not only the fact of the biden/harris ticket. but what it means to this city and to this state. an opportunity to celebrate something so wonderful, so glorious that here, just across from city hall, streets here opened up now but they were shut down. because, to your point, people spilled out into the street. literally, dancing into the street to show their excitement. let me take you other here, just a little bit. there were national guard, lots of police officers.
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but they were not needed. this was exceptionally peaceful and joyous and all about the celebration that was going on here. as people wanted to just come out and do what you are saying, and that is showing what they hope the country is going to be. one woman i talked to. black woman with two, teenaged sons. she said she brought her children out here because she wanted them to see the possibility of the country going to unity. and to her, that's what the biden/harris ticket represents. also, there were so many people i talked with who talked about the history of this moment. young women saying they, now, really do see themselves in this. another woman said to me, she got emotional and made me want to be emotional, in some respects. she said, kamala harris looks like me. she is from me.
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and it means that we can do anything. this was one of those moments that people who were here will talk about for generations to come. where were you on the day that it was decided that the biden/harris ticket was the winning ticket? and that, this city, philadelphia, a place where history has often been made, was a big part of making history again, today. brian. >> wow. i know enough not to try to put it any better than rehema ellis just did from across -- from city hall in philadelphia. after the day she's covered. rehema, thank you very much. an incredible thing the voters have done here. and when you think about it, are still doing in arizona. that is to say, they are still counting the votes and the crowd that has gathered outside that vote count may have given us the strangest 2-acre parking lot in all of america.
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correspondent gadi schwartz has become one of their closest friends and continues to catalog. >> that's the parking lot we have been spending so much time on. for the first time today, we are seeing something happen on the other side of the street. i want to show you. these are people celebrating biden's win. they've been coming out and chanting at the people that are still in that parking lot. and i want to take some time because if you just look at these faces, a lot of these faces are young faces. here, in arizona, gen z turned out in a big way for joe biden. so, do you guys mind if i ask you guys some questions? can i come stand next to you? all right. cool. so i want to know. this is the first time you guys voted. >> yeah. >> why did you vote? >> for my mom, especially, because she has tps, temporary protection status, she's from el salvador. and i know trump is trying to get rid of that. it expires in january and we're just hoping that biden can find a solution so that immigrants
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who are under that status could have protection here in the united states. >> were you -- so you were -- you were worried that she might be deported? >> yeah. and she's big financial like in our household. >> how often did you guys worry about that? >> all the time. all the time. we would be in lines for hours waiting for her to renew her status and stuff. >> so now, with this news, how do you guys feel? >> relieved. definitely, relieved. we're hoping that biden can find something to keep her here, you know, and everyone else who is under that. >> thank you guys, so much, for sharing your story and tell your mom we said hi. thank you very, very much. brian, that's just one of the stories we've been hearing on this side of the street. and in the building, beyond, they are still counting those ballots. the last time we checked, the gap here in arizona has narrowed to about 18,000 with president-elect joe biden leading donald trump, 18,000
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votes. so he's still closing the margins just a little bit. but it is an incredibly hard, upbill batt upbi uphill battle for president trump. but what we are looking for is whether or not arizona a red state that will swing completely blue. and remember, we already got two senators here from arizona. this historically red state, that are blue. so now, the -- the last question is whether this is going to be a democratic president elected by arizona as well. brian. >> indeed. gadi, we're happy you are on top of it. thank you for bringing us that interview with an extraordinary, first-time voter. we appreciate that. reaction has also been pouring in from leaders around the world, as you may have noted today. british prime minister boris johnson was one of many to congratulate biden and harris. adding, quote, the u.s. is our
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most important ally and i look forward to working closely together on our shared priorities, from climate change to trade and security. back in 2017, the german news magazine "der spiegel" published a cover. you may recall, president trump holding a severed head from the statue of liberty. well, today's shows joe biden with a mask, fixing lady liberty, instead. for more on the reaction from outside the united states, we are so fortunate to be joined by our chief foreign correspondent, richard engel. richard, i will say in front of the entire audience via satellite, you wrote me the most thoughtful note today when results became clear. and all i can ask is that you share the contents of it with the audience watching, tonight. >> so, brian, as the results came through tonight.
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i -- i started to swatch the reaction coming in around the world. and people were reacting like the united states had overthrown a dictator. that democracy has been saved. that america's reputation had been saved. because, just imagine, had this gone the other way, imagine what the world would be saying right now if president trump came out and gave a very aggressive speech. if his supporters, some of them armed and, of course, not all of them are, but that would be the ones who attract the cameras. were out on the streets and that he would be having another term and he's often suggested that another term's not enough for him. people would think that america lost its democracy. and that, this vital role the united states has played for democracy around the world would be gone. and that the shining light on the hill would be extinguished.
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but instead, what has happened? countries around the world saw the united states had a strongman. had a strongman that wanted to bring power to himself and to his family members. something that is not that uncommon. it happens all the time. but what happened, in this case, was through democratic institutions, through a free press that was relentless and gotten better over the last four years, they were able to unseat him, push him aside legally and, hopefully, peacefully. and that means that the impression of american democracy, through this experience, is actually going to be reinforced. that i think the impression of the united states as a believer in democracy will be stronger coming -- well, starting right now. >> what a great quote at 3:30 in the morning off the top of your head. a relentless, free press, that got even better as it went along. richard, one last question and
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that's about boris johnson. trump bragged when he first heard that boris johnson was called the trump of the uk, or vice versa. it doesn't matter, now. what matters is both men were crow in coronavirus deniers. both men have now had the coronavirus. and both men are paying the political price for their early denial, in the form of a second spike in both countries. >> so, not just boris johnson. there was a whole generation of leaders who came in right around the same time as president trump. there was a wave of -- it's been called populism. sometimes, it's just been called a wave of anger. and boris johnson came through on that same wave. there were, as you remember, more than a million migrants and refugees coming out of the middle east, heading toward europe. germany was welcoming them in and there was a panic that was settling in across the
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continent. and boris johnson came in on this -- this -- this -- on this climate of fear and there were -- there were others. the leader of hungary is still in power, and still very much playing that same, political card. and president trump was part of the same generation. now, are we seeing a repudiation of -- of that movement? and trump the biggest leader of this populist movement, movement of anger, that is now falling? will boris johnson fall with him? certainly, this movement reached a climax with president trump and that crest, the wave has -- has crested and may be falling. >> my always-thoughtful, well-traveled friend of many years, our chief foreign correspondent, richard engel. as we said, coming up on 4:00 a.m., in london. we certainly thank you for adding your voice, your important voice, to our coverage
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when our very democracy was on the ballot with this election, with the very soul of america at stake, and the world watching, you ushered in a new day for america. >> california democratic senator turned vice president elect, kamala harris. and back with us, tonight, former minnesota democratic senator, al franken. he was also hired a while back
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to host the al franken podcast because they figured he had the perfect name for it. hey, senator, i am curious to hear you out on the job you see ahead of this ticket. mitch mcconnell, as we sit here tonight, we don't know if he is going to be minority leader or majority leader. >> of course. special election in georgia will determine that. either way, mitch mcconnell's going to be -- to have to be dealt with. to the extent that mitch mcconnell has human relationships, him and joe biden know each other, very well. president -- president elect. and they, during the obama administration, a number of times, things had reached an impasse where president or harry reid couldn't negotiate productively with mcconnell. and joe biden stepped in.
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he's -- he's an experienced negotiator and i think it's very useful we're going to have someone who knows the senate as well as joe biden does. >> i have to read you a quote from joe scarborough, this morning. and here it is and i will get your reaction. there's no way to put this other than to say joe biden winning looks like a one off. this election, for the most part, was an absolute repudiation of the democratic party, as a brand. that's the quote. senator, i'm sure it's an overstatement. but i'm, also, sure he was looking at congressional races. speaker pelosi's thin majority. and he was looking at things like the toxicity of a phrase like defund the police. >> yeah. that was a dumb phrase, wherever it came from, because that's ridiculous. no one wants to, or almost no
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one wants to, defund the police. you can't. we need police reform but that was very unfortunate that that stuck and it did. yes, it was disappointing both how we did in the senate and in the house. 18 in the house. we had picked up over 40 seats. so that was, perhaps, losing a few is not to be unexpected. but, yes, it would be much easier to accomplish what we want to have accomplished if we had -- also, had control of the senate and that's why these two special elections in georgia are just so unbelievably important. >> do you -- do you believe it's about messaging and how you approach folks on the other side? do you think if you and i got into a car tomorrow, drove up to the iron range of minnesota, and
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talked to people. that, given the chance and given a couple of minutes and the right approach and the right argument, you could find common ground? >> well, i did. my -- one -- i won my first race by 312 votes. but my second one, i won by over 200,000 and that's because i went up to the iron range and i went around the red areas of minnesota and rural minnesota, where one out of every six jobs in minnesota is tied to agriculture. and there are issues that we should have been fight -- winning on in rural america. medicaid expansion. the last five states to approve medicaid expansion by referendum are idaho, nebraska, utah, oklahoma, and missouri. medicaid expansion is one of the
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best things that's happened to rural america. also, the trade war that this president engaged in with china has -- has devastated farmers, all over this country. and i wish -- you know, you have to go, show up. on my podcast, a couple weeks ago, i had john custer talk about, and he is the only working farmer in the senate, about how democrats can reach out to -- to rural americans and that's something we really, really have to work on. >> senator, thank you, very much, for your thoughtful answers. we appreciate it. we will be -- we will be talking to you, along the way. with us now is our friend, general barry mccalfry. former cabinet member and our military analyst. general, i have been looking forward to talking to you because i read you, every day.
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it is always about our country. it is about the country you were willing to die for. it's always about stewardship and rigor and competence, and heretofore, it's been about your disappointment and deep concern over president trump. i'm curious as to how you're feeling right about now? >> well, pretty much, relieved. i worked with then-senator biden, for years. tonight's acceptance speech of his president-elect status was a good window into who he is. this is a kind, decent, civil, experienced, collective-thinking, committed to science and rule of law. he understands the constitution. he understands our big constitutions of the congress, supreme court, et cetera. so i think it's a great sense of relief. look, brian. the armed forces will loyally support, as a nonpolitical
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institution, anyone the american people elect. however, it is clear to me that we have been descending into authoritarian government. there's no collective party in the senate that was influencing trump. he was making bizarre, impulsive, dangerous decisions, on his own. i think the greater national-security-expert world, intelligence diplomats, were appalled and frightened. if i may add one censure to the american media. we do not have a commander in chief in america. that is a title that only applies to the armed forces, not the american people. and by the way, we got a concern of enhanced vigilance over the coming 70-plus days because, you know, the coercive institution of america, homeland security,
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defense, and justice, we're going to have to watch, carefully, what goes on there. >> are you convinced, as i asked michael steel, that democracy grows back like a starfish? for example, if i sent you on a government plane, tonight. start in japan. go to south korea. come on back through france and germany and the uk. and look our allies in the eye, and promise them everything's going to be okay. we're going to get back in the w. w.h.o. we're going to get back in the paris environmental accords. could you think it can come back with a few scars for the damage it's been through? >> absolutely, no question. i think if mr. trump had been re-elected by hook or crook, we would have owned him and been in trouble for the rest of our lives. but, look, biden is maamerican
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values. senator harris is american values. they're going to select first-rate, expert people to be in government. hopefully, he 's going to reach out as strongly as he can to the people who voted for trump, for one reason or another. but i do not think we have suffered lasting damage, at all. american people are good and sound. we got to deal with the covid environment. we got to reform criminal justice. we've got to, you know, stabilize the economic future of the country. we got a lot tasks at hand but i think this team is up to it and american people will be relieved to not have the chaos, the impulsive stupidity going on day in and day out. so i feel pretty good about america's future. >> one of the voices i have wanted to hear since we got the news. general mccaffrey, thank you as
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force, something we are not used to and have not seen of late. so back with us again tonight is dr. erwin redliner, pediatrics physician by training, a senior research scholar at the columbia university earth institute. he's also it founding director of columbia's national center for disaster preparedness. doctor, politics aside just as a matter of public health which is your specialty after all i imagine it is very good news to you that a 12-member actual functioning coronavirus task force is going to come online. >> yeah, it's extraordinary, brian. and thank goodness for that. and i'll tell you i spoke late this evening with some of the senior members of the transition staff including people who are going to be on this task force, and it is extremely heartening. for one thing it's probably come to news to you and others and
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certainly to me that actually they've been already working with the vice president now the president-elect for many months. joe biden has actually requested briefings by some of the superstars in pandemics and in infectious disease. he's requested biden has 40 to 50 hours of briefings by these scientists and experts and has received those, and has received those with open heart and open mind. and this is going to come as a shock to the system for many of us, but we're going to see an administration that is focused on transparency and honesty and a reliance on science to make policy about this horrible threat that we're facing. as you mention there's no end in sight now. the trajectory is upwards, and we need exactly what i think is going to be presented by this task force and how they're going to advise the president. i think, look, there's no magic bullet here. there's not going to be an
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instant cure. there's not going be mysteries or miracles or bleach injections. there's going to be policy dictated by science and evidence, and that will be an incredible relief for so many of us concerned about where this pandemic is going. and the other thing, they made a point of telling me joe biden does not want a shutdown. he does not want to interfere with a growing economy unless it's absolutely necessary. and i think we're going to see a president who will dependent on policies and recommendations that will help guide us to a place where we can contain the spread of this virus without having to necessarily do anything that will interfere with the necessity of getting the economy back going. so we have a lot to look forward to, and it's a tremendous relief to all of us in the business of public health, and i think it would be a great relief to the american people as well, brian. >> doctor, yours was another
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voice we wanted to hear as soon as we heard the result. again, politics aside and based on your lives work which is public health it looks like we're going to be heading into some circumstance where we have expertise in exile and we have to wait for the change ipadministratioin administrations to see it have policy teeth. thank you for that report from the front lines and your colleagues going to be dealing the president-elect. our final guest for this hour tonight. that's going to do it, again, for this hour's live coverage on this history making saturday night. our coverage of course is far from over. that continues at the tom of the hour with my friends and colleagues katie tur, amy after a short break. we'll go out on the scene tonight in wilmington, delaware, as the democratic ticket after a long campaign became president
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