with reports of a flurry of executive orders to reverse what donald trump's been doing with executive power. for his part, trump is spending the day golfing. second day in a row he's done that. no public statement. we've got a very special show for you right now. including some special guests. special guests. my special comment on what it all means this weekend. and we will haveava longoria here live tonight. but we begin immediately with our all-star panel of experts. jason johnson, former united states senator. barbara boxer, and jonathan jays green who worked on senator warren's campaign and leads the progressive margery foundation. what does it all mean to you tonight? >> relief, happiness, joy. it's been really difficult for those of us who felt this president was leading us into a tyrannical place.

and, you know, i honestly think that and i say this and maybe it's not politically correct, but i think that joe biden was the only one who could have done this and he met the moment and people trust him. he's got so much empathy. he knows how to work with folks and get things done so i'm so happy, ari. but mostly it's relief, you know? >> jonathan? >> i think i also share the relief as someone who's undocumented and who's been fighting the politics of fear and hate of this administration, it is such a relief for our communities across the country to be able to say to stop the bleeding, right? because we know one election is not going to bring the justice we're fighting for, but we know it has and will make a big difference. so to me i took yesterday and i'm taking today to celebrate.

and tomorrow we're right back to work, right back to bringing and fighting for the future we all deserve. >> yeah, and as you say that's certainly the biden-harris' administration plan because we're seeing them go right back to work tomorrow, first workday of all this regardless how donald trump handles it. so if the workday is tomorrow, that means tonight we're not yet back to the workday. and so i want to get into some of the memes. these are going viral online, but not everyone looks a thlt same thing. some of them are so good we cut them for air. there was a famous clip of joe biden in september when he took out his cellphone to play the hit song despacito. someone remixed that. take a look. hang on here.

♪ you about to lose your job >> jason? >> ari, the original version of that was actually -- it was actually changed to you about to lose your job. i think what that reflects is there's been a tremendous amount of creative joy about donald trump being pushed out of office. the memes from making fun of nevada to the nation being saved by atlanta to various clips from key and peele about the president saying thank you you're welcome to all sorts of different kinds of states and ignoring people in different parts of the country it's like a creative expleosion, and we've seen this. you have artists, creators,

musicians sort of coming outmism i don't think we are going to fully recognize for a couple of weeks maybe even months how much repression culturally there was with the trump administration and how free people are going to feel afterwards. >> well, jason putting us on the to the fact there were remixed versions with fdt on it and it was too hot, it's going to go viral -- pretty hot. weigh in and i have a question for you as well. >> what i really want to talk about, ari, is really talking about the people who made this possible. like i love taking a second to enjoy and really celebrate this moment, but i really want to make sure we're giving credit to the organizers, to the young people who came out and voted in record numbers, in key states like arizona and wisconsin and

pennsylvania. to me what i'm holding in this moment is how are we as a country going to deliver for them the way that they delivered on election night? >> yeah, fair. senator boxer, i saw ava today posted about the great creativity. she said try to do your job in a way if you lose the people aren't dancing in it streets all over the world. senator? >> yes. i mean, when i saw that explosion that spontaneous explosion of joy i mean no one really organized it. people just came out. you know, i'm old enough -- i wasn't old enough to see the celebrations after world war ii, but i was born right during world war ii. and those famous photos, those iconic photos of people just streaming out, and of course the historians are basically telling us this is what happens when

dictators get overthrown. people just come out and celebrate. and it's stunning. when i heard that i stopped in my tracks. you know, i've been through five presidents. i've served with five presidents. i've seen transitions. i've never seen any president act like this. but i have to tell you even after barack obama got elected and my heart swelled and i thought the whole world was better, i thought everything was done, you know? and nobody went into the street. they went into the street after this -- trump. and it says so much, and historians when they do write about it i think it's going to be a page of the book. just last point i know how much you love music. six seconds before it was announced that the networks had given it to biden i was on my

ellipical in my garage listening to -- you're going to think i'm so old -- lambert hendrikson ross and you probably don't know who they are, but i thought i love this. i'm going to switchover to msnbc. the moment they announced it, jumped off, ran to tell my husband, almost killed myself. but i'm here. >> you're here. yes, we're glad you're here through the five presidents that you've worked along side in the senate and the experience you bring. it is -- we're talking about -- and it's hard -- what do woe do in our jobs? we do reporting, we use sourcing, we use words, we show the videos. it's hard to get through the camera here and even showing all these things we went to the memes a little bit, jason, because it's hard to get to that next level and brings a point i want you to speak on michelle goldberg raised earlier in our previous hour which was are they going to go around now and ask

of the rest of america to do what was asked after '16, to try to the trump voter, do you want to understand the biden voter and understand why is it as the senator just spoke about so many people feel liberated? what is it about the way the government is running -- you have a difference over how big should the federal education be or should it be more locally funded. okay, that's a debate. the people aren't dancing in the streets over that. they're dancing in the streets over why they feel finally liberated. >> yeah, ari. this is an important historic context that i think everybody needs to understand. usually you don't get in countries even democracies as old as ours, usually you don't get rid of an aspiring dictator through the electoral process. philippines is going to have problems with duterte, putin is

not going to leave until he wants to leave. the idea that america and i'm not usually heavy on american exceptionalism, but given the ways donald trump had cheated, he'd perverted everything from the post office to the department of justice to basically turning the republicans in congress into his own personal weng of power and abuse, the fact we were able to remove somebody like that through the peaceful process of voting is miraculous. that is historic on so many different levels. and people were out there because we have liberated ourselves without having to shoot anybody. and that's pretty amazing for american history. >> well, when you put it that way it's like a riddle. when's the last time that someone holding onto an authoritarian type goal was thrown out through a democratic process? to your point here it's not my

job to tell people how to vote or what to think. it's an objective fact donald trump openly talked about breaking election law, having his supporters vote multiple times and other people not and all the rest. senator? >> well, the power of the rote is so strong, and the message got through to the people, to an incredible, you know, coalition of people who look different, pray different, love different, you know, have different economic values and so on and so forth. but they understood. you know, the big mistake trump made is he kept trying to take away our vote. and people, especially young people, you know, they want to be part of a revolution. and voting never was cool before. and now it was cool because why? trump kept saying, oh, you know, we're not going to let these people vote, we can take away the votes of these people, it's all fraudulent. and all of a sudden people said, uh-uh, we're not going there.

so the beauty of this is the power of the vote. and i've often said when you get in that -- in that voting booth -- this time a lot of us did it right at home. you are as powerful as the most powerful ceo or anybody else. it is our vote, and i think the country is going to change because i think when young people vote they keep voting. i mean, they're not going to just now turn away, and we have to focus on georgia. and now we have to take this to georgia, and i am so excited at the prospect of this ticket, which is historic in many ways, that ticket that we're going to be voting for. >> well, i hope you're right. i hope you're right, senator. i hope voting stays cool. this was a tremendous way to keck off the hour. i appreciate each of you. still ahead in this hour of special coverage we have white house insiders spilling secrets

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donald trump has not discussed anything on camera since losing this election, but many trump insiders are starting to leak and speak about where it all went wrong. i want to get right to it with two very special guests for our coverage tonight. former trump coauthor tony schwartz. his new book is "dealing the devil, my mother, trump and me." and katey kay, anchor for bbc news. there's fascinating reporting i've been reading with people really opening up in ways we haven't seen before. i want to read something here about people in trump world basically trying to pin a lot of

this on jared kushner. politico reporting kushner began to take on his hands on role demanding details from everything from finances to messaging when he was not in charge of the campaign technically. a trump ally tells the paper the only constnlt in this campaign from day one to the very last day is kushner adding if the president wins kushner deserves credit but if he loses kushner deserves the blame. we see these trump advisers turning on themselves sometimes on the record. >> i mean, what happens when you lose in a campaign is that very quickly you look for somebody else to blame particularly when you have a president who himself has admitted he finds losing very difficult, right? and this will come from the top. donald trump has yet to concede. he has yet to tell the american people that joe biden won fair and square. he's still searching for reasons that this might have been stolen from him, and that trickles down throughout the campaign. they're going to constantly be trying to find people to blame.

i think one of the tenants of the trump presidency that lots of people have covered and other presidencies have remarked on is actually there are very few people around donald trump who are really loyal to him, who really like him, respect him, would go out of their way for him. you know, just look at the turnover in the white house. it is unprecedented the amount of turnover there has been, and he has had an ability to hire and fire people, and that doesn't do great things. then when you're in a foxhole and you need someone to help get you out, there aren't many people around. and it doesn't surprise me we've got members of the campaign looking to blame other people. >> it's a great point she makes. and tony, it speaks to an accountable truth that might disagree with the narrative. the narrative is oh, he gets away with everything and he gets away with some things but not everything. and there's a view here not only did he just lose and he's the loser. i don't say that perjortively

but he's the loser of this race. we're seeing in this reporting a trump pollster back in july put together a 79-page exhaustive memo. he had to reverse course, he had to encourage supporters to vote by mail rather than bashing it, to address the virus before trying to open the economy, to mandate face masks rather than mocking them. each of those being straig straightforward things from the rather intense political headline this f-ing virus quote-unquote. but these are trump's people saying it's his fault. >> i'm going to go with kattey is blame goes around. and trump has to blame because it's intolerable for him to think himself as anything but a winner. loser is to be obliterated and

not exist, so he will never concede that he lost. but i was reading cast, isabelle wilkerson's extraordinary new book today, and i read a quote that seems so relevant to this moment. she's talking about dehumanization, and she says it's a war against truth. to dehumanize another human being is not merely to declare that someone is not human, and it does not happen by accident. it's a promise. it's a programming. it takes energy and reinforcement to deny what is self-evident and another member of ones species. and it made me think, ari, that what we need right now and i do think biden is maybe ideally positioned to do this is we need to rehumanize, not demonize. we need to re-humanize america and americans because the american infliction mostly

unspoken is the fear of not being good enough and the need as a result to feel better than by dehumanizing and demonizing others. but trump -- trump may be the first leader ever to do that to supporters and detractors alike. if you think about covid what he did to all of us in his handling of it is to make us sick and actually to be responsible for the death of what is now going to be almost a quarter of a million lives. this is man who earned his loss. >> well, as you say that approach of -- it's important you mention demeaning many but also his own people. we saw that in these bizarre closing rallies where he was saying i didn't want to be here, i wouldn't come back here but for my own political survival on the line. and it was a contrast, again, i want to reach into some of this brand new reporting, the reporting after the loss.

biden was criticized at times over how they didn't do in-person campaigning. his campaign telling "the washington post" it was an easy decision, a senior advisor adding only in trump's america does the fact when he listens to medical experts become a shocking political decision. >> look, i have spoken to democratic candidates during the course of this campaign in states like georgia and florida when i was traveling down there who did express frustration with the fact they couldn't do in-person events, that there wasn't more door knocking in person over the course of the summer when perhaps people felt a little more comfortable because the virus seemed to be receding a little bit. so it's fair to say that there was frustration, and it's also possible that we will look back, you know, once we have all the numbers. in its early days we don't have all the data from this campaign and look at those rallies of president trump's and find they did actually drive out turnout. you know, something accounts for the fact there was a big turnout

for president trump on election day. and, you know, some of it's extraordinary. you look at the 936 counties in america that have the highest cases of the corona -- so 376 counties in america that have the highest cases of coronavirus. 93% of them voted for trump. so there were plenty of people out there around this country who saw the coronavirus in their communities. i mean some of these counties are small. you know people who have the coronavirus, and yet donald trump was winning those counties in a landslide. so the impact of the coronavirus i think on this campaign is one we will still have to continue to study, but it's a more nuanced mixed confusing picture, perhaps, than we might have thought a couple of weeks ago. >> well, i appreciate as always your rigorous approach to the underlying data, and when i was pouring over the actual vote tallies i noticed that seniors

said they prefer trump's handling of the coronavirus to biden. so either they do or they just prefer trump and claim to support him on any random topic. people can debate out what those numbers mean, tony, but they don't suggest the at-risk pool, the senior pool had some seat change on that. the last thing i want to get tony here on is donald trump hasn't spoken in two days. when will we hear from him? how will he process this loss as everyone abandons him? >> so i don't think he's able to process the loss. i don't think as i said earlier i don't think there's any chance he'll say he's lost. he's turned a defeat into -- or he's portrayed defeat as victory a million times. we're rounding the corner on covid as we hit record numbers if you listen to donald trump. so i expect him to fashion a way of explaining this loss by doing what we've been talking about throughout this segment which is

by blaming others, that jared will come high in that. almost everybody around him is going to get it because at this point trump is incredibly isolated. he has basically reduced his circle to almost nonexistent. so you can expect trump to attack anybody. maybe his three oldest kids have an exception, but even they could become -- the one thing donald trump can't do is be the person who is responsible for this. >> really fast, two of our experts i want to thank you. up ahead in our special coverage the actress and activist eva longoria is here. she of course was a big part of this on that convention stage. but up next is my special report on what the end of the trump era means as we go forward. the trua means as we go forward

now we turn to the meaning of it all, the end of this trump era. let's start with the facts. president-elect joe biden is the winner of the election. donald trump is the loser of the election. donald trump got fewer votes than biden just as he got fewer votes than clinton. he's the only president to ever lose the total vote twice. both times he ran for president. and it was not immediately visible on that unfolding election night with results trickling in for election where americans shifted how they vote for this pandemic. and while it took several days to get all the ballots in and report out the careful projections state by state at kornacki's big board, in the end it was not even close. biden beat trump decisively with roughly 4 million more votes, with over 50% to trump's 47.

with an electoral college margin of multiple states which shuts down even the long shot ploy of a recount or lawsuit might drag this out. this is clear to everyone. >> former vice president joe biden has been elected president of the united states. >> winning the white house and denying president trump a second term. >> rachel, the screen right under neath you says joe biden elected 46th president. >> you can see here there's music playing. people are dancing. cheering. lots of biden harris signs. >> this is a great day for everyone. great for america. >> we have created a better opportunity and better world for our children. that means a lot today. >> donald trump ended the white house at unpopular. america's second choice.

vaunted into power with the strange electoral college system in 2016. and leaves the same way. unpopular loser of the total vote and the electoral college. from the 420 year-old play the lines that apply. all the world is stage. all the men and women players. and one man plays many parts. suggesting the last stage is a return to the first. when a man in his old age becomes like a baby again. facing his quote second childishness and mere oblivion. that's trump tonight. leaving as he arrived. facing a loss that cements his president as unpopular chapter in history. as he enters his political oblivion. okay. what do we make of it all? if he came in on a fluke. never earned majority support. what was this all about? can we just forget about him and what he brought? can americans say, hey, we want

to say and believe we're better than this. we reject this. let's move on. or do we need a reckoning with how far donald trump got here, which shows how far we have the go? i want to tell you tonight it matters how we approach these questions. and i want to tell you what i think. on one hand, there's no reason to over estimate donald trumps support when he lost when he's the loser of this race. when he has been rejected. it would be inaccurate. and dilute the victory to over due that. sometimes democrats get in their way on these things. on the other hand, i don't think there's any good reason to think trumpism is some kind of historic rare in american life. in fact, over the past four years we heard people sometimes

comfortable d.c. people blindly claim this not who we are. america, trumpism is who we are. in some significant ways. this is who so many americans support. and after four years of seeing trump in action, removing any possible doubt people might have had, trump went from 63 million votes last time to 71 million votes this time. he grew his share among certain groups as well including wealthy voters and latino voters. trump won outright in america. it's women of color who powered biden's margin of victory. trump won outright and decisively among vite voters. 57% to 42%. we need to remember that as well. anytime you walk into a room of white people who are registered to vote, statistically most of them back donald trump after all this. and finally i want to show you this in one of it most telling

break downs for the future. donald trump still broke even with biden among the traditional electorate, the majority of americans who had voted before. when you just look at that part, they split 49-50. biden won this thang by dominating among first time voters. to put it a different way donald trump could have swon this race if those 19 million new and young voters didn't register and vote for the first time over these past few weeks. in the years ahead i can tell you whether those new voters keep voting it can completely control our politics more than anything else. so both things can be true. america has rejected trump, a majority voted him out in 2020. but second trump tapped into broad american support, and he enlarged it over this time. consider that an informed endorsement of what he stands for. we've got to face that, too.

it's quite obvious trump didn't create or begin the bigotry and anger he tapped into anymore than he wrote make america great again. that was plagiarized from ronald reagan. he just played this part. he got the script from around the nation. he got it from the rest of america, from our living history, from our struggle to ever try to truly achieve justice and to overcome, which brings us back to another set of classic bars from the bard on this topic of standing up to a would-be autocrat. i bet you know the line from julius caesar. the fault dear brute s is not in our stars but in ourselves. wave got to look into ourselves. in a year where so many stood up to ongoing injustices it is perfectly fine to forget trump. we should not forget trumpism whereby its causes, its anger,

its growing support this week as americans face another difficult chapter. even as many celebrate the relief of putting trump behind them, you know, the streets were full of this revelry and the honking and the dancing and singing, the anthems that had imagined this day. one song in particular has been playing on a loop in many parts of america, fdt which boils down to basically forget donald trump. one of the late artists nipsy hustle contrusts how obama offered hope where trump spend his dad's money on the vote adding, quote, i'm from a place where you probably can't go, speaking for a people you probably ain't no. pressure built-up and it's probably going to blow. and along with the rapper yg, he quotes tupac's celebration of american diversity. quote, it wouldn't be the usa without mexicans, if it's to team up let's begin. black love, brown pride in the

sense again white people feel the same as my next of kin, end quote. how about that? donald trump exploited division for his own political survival. but it is this diverse teamwork that led to his political extinction. so just as both things can be true we can all do two things at once. we can remember exactly how we got here but also forget donald trump. got here but also forget donald trump.

well, i must admit it surprised me. tonight we're seeing all over this nation, all cities in all parts of the country indeed across the world an outpouring of joy, of hope, renewed faith in tomorrow. bring a better day. >> president-elect biden saw it

and that's just not political rhetoric and i bet if you're watching the news you saw it, too. theseallybrasions around our nation and across the globe. in streets of major cities like washington, d.c., of course our capitol, new york, the singing, the dancing, the cheering at the end of this era. there were also celebrations abroad in places like paris where the actual church bells were ringing. listen to that. that doesn't happen for every election. that was the reaction there to mark trump losing, joe biden becoming our president-elect. or take london. fireworks were setoff celebrating the historic win. let's take this in.

millions of people in dozens and dozens of countries stopping to reflect on what we did, what you did here in america yesterday. and then there's another one here from a long time ally, israel's prime minister netanyahu going out of his way to clearly and graciously congratulate biden and harris. and now we go from global reaction to a true global icon. we're about to speak with the actress, direct and activist eva longoria. she worked tire lassly with the biden campaign. you may remember her of course from that starring role hosting the first night of the dnc this year. we should also mention she was on the ground in florida twice with biden participating as well in virtual events for the campaign. she was also formally the national campaign cochair for barack obama's 2012 re-election. she is the co-founder of an organization aimed at fostering a community for latinx voices. and after a very busy weekend for many i'm thrilled she is our

guest. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> you know this expression when someone's the face of something. for a lot of americans not following who's the lieutenant governor, who's the deputy campaign manager you are a well-known and trusted and i think it's fair to say very popular face. you became the raface of the convention at this time of peril and virus. and you were out there on the came pain. how are you feeling tonight? >> i cannot express the amount of relief i felt. just like, you know, all the pictures and video you were showing. it isn't just america. we have a lot of work to do moving forward, and i'm excited that, you know, democracy won. we have to remember that we have so much more in common than that

which divides us. and i think, you know, biden's speech really summed it up really great when he said it's time to put away the harsh rhetoric, we've got to listen to each other again because at the end of the day we all want the same thing as americans. >> was it important to you -- go ahead, sorry. >> no. go ahead. >> were you humming to my hmm? >> i was doing that because i felt you didn't agree with me. >> no, no, i was humming in agreement, but you're anorakterous so you're so empathetic naturally probably hard wired going off the sound and the vibe even through our remote. but, no, i was going to take that and say how important was it to understand joe biden as a person? because you just talked about what brings us together. and certainly decency brings us together. we were talking earlier what dave chappelle said last night,

and he said, well, let's try to empathize. and a lot of people say we lost that partly because of the way donald trump has driven the conversation for four years. was it important to you as a supporter of joe biden that his decency seemed to come through? >> oh, my gosh, of course. character matters. who is in the room where it happens matters. there's a lot going on in the world right now are and we need to pick a leader not a liar and america chose that. i being part of many campaigns, you know, there wasn't one more important than this one. and we've been saying along you mentioned it on your show right before the break he has a lot of people to thank for this victory, mostly people of color, the black and brown communities delivered for biden. and, you know, we've been saying all along that the white house ran through the latino community and latinos turned out in record numbers across this country in states where it really mattered. and i feel like because florida was the first state to come in that night the narrative took

over that that latinos showed support for trump, and that just isn't true. it's not the narrative that needs to be out there. latinos delivered big for biden. latinos flipped arizona no question. latinos delivered nevada, and we had historic victories in wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan because of latinos. so latinos were a cornerstone to winning this election for biden. >> well, you know the usual problem with the political media narrative. >> what? >> it's wrong and stupid usually. >> well, you know we've long said i think what this election really proved is that the latino community is not monolithic. we've known that. and the election really, really showed that. so many of those headlines that came out that first day just weren't true. if you looked at florida, you know, biden got the same amount of cuban votes as obama did, but he got 71% of puerto rican votes in florida. but the real headline was the

turnout from unexpected parts of the united states -- michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, not to mention texas. as a texan for the first time in decades we were talking about texas going blue, and that was exciting for me. texas is a large hispanic population, a young population. and within texas the lieu teeno vote was 70, 75%, 80% for biden in a majority of latino precincts. so it's overwhelmingly clear latinos of all backgrounds supported biden. >> part of what you're doing right now is we're talking about the fuller picture of the numbers, some still outstanding ibcertain places including new york, but if everyone got that on tuesday night at 9:00 p.m. what you just walked us through, the huge margins, the power of young voters and particularly a diverse coalition and really people of color but specifically women of color putting joe biden over the top and what that means. if that all just exploded along

with, you know, a clear electoral vote margin tuesday night that might have sunk in. instead we had a lot of other stuff between theb and now that doesn't really matter. i wonder what you think about that because going forward this is also about power, and does the democratic party understand why it's back in power. >> yeah, i think you bring up a good point. i think, you know, campaign financing needs to be looked at. i think the way in which we campaign, there were so many false ads in florida in spanish. spanish wasn't regulated the same as in english, and so i do think we need to take a look at that. again, our work is just beginning. but i want to take a look at what you just said about women. the women of color showed up in big ways. of course you saw in georgia what black women have done, but latina women were the real heroins here. that wasn't surprising to us because latinas are the ceos of

the households. they make all the financial decisions and educational decisions and health care decisions. many latinas are small business owners and they wanted to plan for recovery for themselves not for wall street. and trump's policies were never aimed at the struggling latina community. and you know, if you look at voter suppression on top of that, how latinas showed up even through the closing of polling place and the shutting down of drop off sites, the new voter i.d. laws and long lines and driving 30 miles and all of that, and on top of that restrictions and safety protocols of a mpandemic, that spirit and perseverance latinas use in their daily lives, the struggle to pay their bills and show up to their jobs and take care of their kids and their elders is the same experience they use to show up at the polls. >> i want to play one more piece from the dnc where people remember you from so much. this is from brayden harrington talking about how joe biden helped him personally.

take a look. >> about a few months ago i met him in new hampshire. he told me that we were members of the same club. we stutter. it was really amazing to hear that someone like me became vice president. >> he's talking now about the president-elect. can we have more of that? can we have more kindness? >> you know, as a sister of a special needs person that moment -- not only that moment but the moment -- there's so many moments that character matters. that was one of them of course, but the moment when trump made fun of a disabled person, that to me just stabbed me in my heart because it reminded me of all the bullies in my sister's

lifetime who made fun of her. and he was one of them. he was one of them? he's the leader -- he was the leader of this country, and so when i saw that little boy say, you know, that mattered to him, biden changed his life, biden's going to do that for all americans. >> well, it's been a long road for you. i appreciate you sharing how your feeling. seems like an emotional night for good reason. >> it is an emotional night and i think like i said we have a lot of work to do. the fact we had a historic voter turnout on both sides is a positive sign to the health of our democracy. and so when you're making voting more convenient it opens up democracy for all americans. and i think that's the message we have to take away, you know, when it's like why are all these votes coming in? because democracies working. so that gives me great joy and pleasure. >> i don't do predictions but i

wouldn't be surprised if they come calling on you for more conventions. >> hey, i'm for hire. >> we will be right back with our special coverage. hire >> we will be right back with our special coverage

it's time to put away the harsh rhetoric, lower the temperature, see each other again, listen to each other again. >> and the road ahead will not be easy, but america is ready and so are joe and i. >> thanks for watching our special election coverage. you see the president-elect and the vice president-elect there. you can always find me on social media, instagram, facebook or twitter @arimelber. or join me tomorrow night 6:00 p.m. eastern for "the beat" with ari melber. and keep it right here for msnbc with more live coverage next.

hello, everyone. i'm ali velshi. thank you for joining us on this historic weekend for our country. for a second day americans celebrated joe biden victory over donald trump which became official saturday. after pennsylvania was called for biden. this is a look at black lives matter plaza near the white house. it's one of many sites from coast to coast where americans are ecstatic over donald trump's defeat. and while the excitement is real and understandable, there is a raging pandemic in the country. that is only getting worse. today nbc news confirms the united states has surpassed 1 million covid-19 cases. covid has killed 239,000 of our fellow americans. tomorrow president-elect joe biden will reveal his plan to fight the virus, announcing his

own coronavirus task force. the biden transition team will officially launch on monday as well with 73 days until biden is sworn in as the 46th president of the united states. >> it's time to put away the harsh rhetoric, lower the temperature, see each other again, listen to each other again. >> the road ahead will not be easy, but america is ready. and so are joe and i. >> today the president-elect spent his sunday like he always does, going to church. he also visited the grave of his late son, beau. a now defeated donald trump spent sunday playing gauchl at his resort in georgia since the race was called and his bid for re-election lost, we have heard very little from it sitting president. no concession, no gaggle with the white house press corp, and most importantly no formal address to you, the american

people. here's one of his allies texas senator ted cruz earlier today on fox. >> i think that this point we do not know who's prevailed in the election. the media is desperately trying to get everyone to coronate joe biden as the next president. the american people get to elect our president. >> we know the trump administration has a long history of filing frivolous lawsuits. trump will threaten to see just about anything he doesn't like. but there is a big difference between a filing and a win. there's been at least half a dozen lawsuits his campaign has filed so far related to his election. some have already dismissed and more are likely to be. to be clear, we're not going to give you greater clarity in just a moment from someone smarten than me on this, but to be clear there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud. there isn'teds of little scale voter fraud. and then there's this. we learned the majority of the

remaining ballots in arizona are not expected to be as trump heavy as they have been in recent days. biden is leading arizona tonight by nearly 17,000 votes with 98% in. there are between 33 and 80,000 ballots left to count in arizona, but a majority of them are provisional ballots. and those that have to be specially processed ranging from military and overseas ballots to braille, large print or damaged ballots. the biden campaign has paid little attention to these lawsuits choosing to enjoy the victory that's been three decades in the making or in the words of l. l. cool j, don't call it a come back, i've been here four years. and with that i welcome my friend ari melber, host of "the beat" and our chief legal correspondent. i worked on that. >> you're giving me biden said

knock you out vibes. >> thank you. i've been looking forward to this all day. ari, here's the thing, for a guy like me who doesn't know much about the law as you know i get most of my legal knowledge from you or law and order. it strikes me that there is no one objecting to any fundamental truth about which the trump campaign has got itself tied up in knots. there's no one saying here's a pile of votes, don't count them. this is not 2000 where there's a question whether someone cast a ballot for al gore or pat buchanan. at least democrats have been on the same side of this one for from the beginning, count all the votes. trump has been inconsistent, count some votes and stop the counting. what's your take on this in. >> you're exactly right and it does differ from past examples where something is hang by a single state and there's an actual vote in controversy you might be able to drag it out. this is not that situation. the margineris are clear.

there's no pending case that could change the outcome of this result. ted cruz, by the way, knows better because he was a very celebrated attorney in private practice and in i believe handled appeals in the state of texas as well before he got here. it's certainly fine to say outstanding issues would be litigated, ali, sure. just as there's a right to a recount. but there's no open case that has any chance of changing the outcome. mr. cruz and others know that, so that's what leaves us in the situation we're in. the legal battle has hit a brick wall, the margins are not close. president-elect biden will be the president january. and so what we have from donald trump over these two days is tweets and the desire to make it seem somehow more murky than it is. >> so met lee give you a couple of examples of the kinds of things they're suing about. i'm in pennsylvania and here if you mail in your ballot you have to mail the ballot, the security

envelope and the envelope in which you mail it. you're not supposed to can s the ballots before the beginning of election day. so they were weighing in the ballots in the county i'm in, montgomery county. so as to say mr. ari melber, your ballot doesn't way enough, you may have done something wrong, would you like to cure it is the they they term it. there's that kind of stuff going on. but there's no ballots in rivers, ballots in garbage bins, in dumpsters. there's no thing that we're talking about. we're just talking about counting all the ballots. >> there's no evidence of voter fraud. this is where we are here sunday nig night, and we didn't know we'd be here necessarily. but now we know that independent news organizations including our own have made these calls and there's a clear margin. we have a president-elect. we don't have anything like the open legal issues let alone rampant voter fraud that would call that into account. i say this not pejoratively but

factually is the fraud is donald trump's twitter stream and that's soon to be ex-president donald trump's twitter stream. that's the fraud. that's why independent platforms actually put warnings before you even read or open the information. and journalistically we might open it for fact checking, but that is the fraud. that is the fakery. and the truth is there are margins in these states that are overturned. and you and i want to be fairwreck right, if there are open door proceedings in any state we'll keep an eye on them, we'll follow them -- >> i know you. you'll be on it. so here's the question. there is business that has to be done. there's no official call. at some point in early december the electors get together and cast thaer ballots and elect a president. and then on noon on january 20th a new president is sworn in. the general services administration, the branch of government that holds the keys,

rents the buildings, keeps them clean, they're not authorizing the transition team to get their computer sign-ins and their badges and office space because they said the constitution is not -- as determined by the constitution we do not have a clear winner. what does that mean? what does a clear winner mean legally? >> well, i don't think that gsa issue means much. they're under the auspices of the trump administration, it is true we have a time line being followed where states certify results. we haven't hit that date yet. i was think about this, we've all been running around with our coverage. i was thinking about this how the fact it got slowed down for political junkies it was like ah, it's delayed, but for the country allowed everyone to take a few days and calmly watch it slowly, absorb. and i think we're in a much better place today sunday night than we were say going into tuesday when there were people who were worried mostly because of donald trump's statements that somehow any of this would be in doubt.

it's no longer in doubt. and so once states certify the results, once you have the electoral college vote, once you do all those things, those are the normal deadlines outlined in the state constitution and the process plays out from there. >> ari, today is my wife's birthday. we did have dinner tonight and instead of paying much attention to her birthday i was googling rap lyrics that have something to do with election outcomes thanks to you. so you've caused a little tension in my house but not that much. >> you did great with l. l. and happy birthday not only to your wife but happy birthday to election day that comes around only once every few years. >> let's go to wilmington, delaware, after a night of celebration president-elect joe biden and his team are plotting a white house transition. plans for biden's first days in

the oval office as for the 46th president are already in the works. joining me now is nbc news correspondent mike memoli who you've all seen and you all know. he's been at this for far longer than he looks he's been at it. he's been working with joe biden. in some fashion you've been covering him since 2008, and now he's going to be the president of the united states of america. >> how about that. yeah, ali, the first time i actually covered a joe biden presidential campaign event was october of 2007. it was in the remote north country of new hampshire. and little did i realize then as a young reporter i'd still be covering him today as president-elect. but here we are. and it's interesting, ali, we talk about where the biden team is at this point. last night they were celebrating enjoying a spectacular fireworks display, reveling in their

nictvy addressing the nation as the president-elect and vice president-elect. tomorrow the enormity and reality of the job ahead of them comes into focus as they stand up that transition team. and as a real signal of what their priorities are the first thing we'll hear from the president-elect about is announcing a 12-member task force to deal with the covid-19 pandemic. biden included this in his victory speech last night. and his goal is to effectively implement his agenda he's been laying out on the campaign trail the last two weeks. he's expected to be chaired by the surgeon general of the united states, the former fda commissioner as well as marcels nunes smith of yale. so a three person cochair of that task force. and then i think we'll begin to see biden leaning into some of the things he's talked about in the closing weeks of the campaign including reaching out to the nation's governors trying to basically assembly a task list of what they're going to need on day one of his administration so he'd have

legislation on his desk to get resources to them immediately, ali. >> mike, you and i will be talking much in the coming days. thank you for your coverage. for us in wilmington, delaware, covering the president-elect of the united states. the biden camp works on its plans for the january transition, president trump is still claiming as you heard falsely that the election is far from over. axios reporting tonight that the president plans to brandish obituaries of people who supposedly voted but are deceased in an effort to prolong his fight. he also plans to hold more campaign-style rallies focused on his litigation and announce specific recount teams in key states. nbc news correspondent carol lee is here now with more. carol, this is the kind of thing that takes this from the absurd into the very real because if the trump appointed general services administration doesn't give the transition team the basic tools they need because they say the election hasn't been won that stymies the

transition. and now if donald trump is going to go out there and do the thing he does best, hold rally and tweet nonsense, they actually seem to have a plan around this. they seem to be developing a plan around rallies to convince people this is false outcome of an election. >> yeah, they do, ali. and it's really quite a split screen given everything what he just said what the biden team is headed with their transition and then to have the president planning to go out in these battleground states are in his view still contested and holding campaign-style rallies. it's two completely different realities. but that's what our own reporting -- nbc news has confirmed that axios report that the president plans to hold these rallies, and it's not clear if he'll be headlining everyone of these rallies, but the expectation is that these rallies will take place in states that are ongoing and having recounts and where the president and his legal team

have mounted various lawsuits and are mounting legal challenges against the outcome there. so we have that, and then, you know, if the president does bring forward evidence obituaries or whatever it is, just because you wave something around at a rally does not make it fact. doesn't mean it's verified, doesn't mean it's gone through a court of law, doesn't mean it's been vetted. but he apparently plans to take that route. and it's not unlike what other things we've seen him do in the past. it's just now he's doing it at a time when we're trying to typically would be transitioning to a different government, there'd be this handover happening behind the scenes and also out in public. the president usually hosts his successor of an election. that's not happening. instead the president is going to hold these rallies, also the campaign is deploying staff into states, are deploying people, and they announced that they'll have individuals heading up the recounts in various states.

they announced the one in georgia today, and we expect more of this. the president is really digging in, and all signs are pointing to the fact he's going to keep going in this direction at least for now. >> so here's the thing, carol. i want to ask you this because georgia's closish and arizona is getting less close but closish. he can't make up the numbers. is he going to do this in every state? is there someone who's telling the president the truth, that you could prolong this if you want, in the end on january 20th a new president will be sworn in, and you can't make up the numbers. there just aren't enough people, dead people in all these states to flip enough states to get to 270 electoral college votes. >> look, we know there are people around the president who recognize that these lawsuits and these challenges are not something that's going to necessarily change the outcome, but the president is determined on this. as you note there is a limed amount of time. i mean, look, he can't go

recount forever. this is not something going to carry on for endless amounts of weeks. this is going to carry on potentially for a number of weeks. states have different deadlines for when the vote is certified and when someone can apply it, when a recount would then start. if they play this out and all signs say that they will, this is something that is going to go on for several weeks at a time. i think some of the feeling around the people who work for the president is that this is an exercise he needs to go thru and that he wants to go through. and so they have to get onboard, and so that's what we've seen so far. >> carol, thank you for your reporting. carol lee for us in washington, d.c. this moment is not just about joe biden defeating donald trump. it's about who joe biden chose as his vice president. >> what a testament it is to joe's character that he had the audacity to break one of the most substantial barriers that

exists in our country and select a woman as his vice president. but while i may be the first woman in this office, i will not be the last. >> this morning for the first time ever little girls especially little girls of color across this country woke up with proof that they too can become the vice president of the united states. as a daughter of immigrants, the graduate of a historically black college, howard university, harris' rise to the vice-presidency is a story of hope. it is a story of power. it is a story -- it is proof. not a story, proof of progress that this country did not have 48 years ago. joining me to discuss the pure power of this moment tyranna burkee who founded the me too movement. and you're who i thought of when this happened. because of all the images we saw in the last few days the image

on halloween of little girls dressed up as kamala harris, the girls who will wake up and see kamala harris as the vice president of the united states, for a movement you've been involved in, this has got to be a massive lunch forward. >> it is. i think representation is important, and we should always think about representation and what kamala means to young girls all around the country, in particular black girls, indian girls, girls of color. but i'm so much more intrigued by what she's going to bring to the office than what she represents. i mean, the representation is great and we need to have it and we should always, you know, celebrate that. but as a person who's done this work for a long time i'm really excited about the possibilities of what she can bring to the position. >> and let's talk about what needs to be brought to the position because you and have discussed this. while we want a world in which women are free to walk on the street, work ipa place free of harassment and assault, we also

want a world in which women earn the same money as men do for the same work. and we do not live in that world, and we want a world in which black women and women of color earn the same money as white women who earn the same money as men. and we do not work in that world either. so the bottom line is there is actual work that kamala harris and joe biden can do to advance this cause of equality for women which is not finished. >> absolutely. and i think that is when we talk about the transition and these first hundred days, that's the thing that i think we'll be focused on those of us who are doing this work more so than what either of them represent is what kind of policies are you going to bring? kamala was one of the only presidential candidates who spoke directly about sexual violence and who had a history of working against sexual violence. she protected child sexual abuse survivors. she dealt with revenge porn, the

rape kit backlog and things like that during her various tenures. so that's exciting. and we know biden has supported things like sexual assault on college campuses, so we want those things to continue. but also because kamala grew up as a black woman in america she knows what black inequity looks like, what lack of equality looks like, and i'm hoping that's a drive in force in the policies they come up with. >> while we are talking about this campaign, while we have coronavirus one think that is important to remember is when all of this is behind us we will still have me too. we will still have sexual violence. how much is knowing what it looks like, and in kamala harris' case having been a prosecutor and understanding it -- how much of the matter is at the federal level? is it in companies across america, is it consciousness, is

it education? what is it? what's left to do before we end this? >> to be honest it's multiple interventions. it's all of those things. in our history the only time we've seen the needle move the dramatic ways is when we've had multiple interventions. just a few weeks ago we had a survivors summit where we had survivors around the country put together a survivors agenda so they can tell us and tell politicians and people who represent them exactly what they want and what they need. they need to look to pieces of agendas like that to help them set policy. but we also need cultural interventions, right? we need grass roots interventions. we need people who are thinking about ways to end sexual violence in every different facet. i always talk about the comparison to tobacco and how people think about cigarette smoke now versus how they thought about 20, 30 years ago.

that took multiple interventions to get there. weed to have research that came out that second secondhand smoke was bad, we're not going to have people smoking in tv anymore, we had laws that changed. we had lawsuits that happened. all of that had to happen just to get us to a place where this generation of young people think smoking is bad. we can end sexual violence, right, but we have to have all these interventions happening at the same time. and part of it is having people in the white house who we can sit down with and talk about what those interventions look like. and so i'm excited to have at least some people in the white house who can come to the table about it. >> as always thank you for the great, great important work you've done. thank you for always being here to help my audience understand it. the founder of the me too movement. up next a recount and runoffs to talk about in georgia. how the turnout could ultimately sway the balance of power in the united states senate. plus how to move america forward a congress just as

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while president-elect joe biden has all the electoral college votes he needs to move on, the trump campaign isn't done challenging the results especially in states that are still counting votes, and there are some. at this hour the race remains too close to call in georgia. biden is leading by just a little over 10,000 votes in the state of georgia. 99% of the votes are in, but it is likely headed towards a recount per georgia election officials. that's actually a state rule if the vote is tight enough. however, stacey abrams who's widely credited with helping to flip georgia blue if that happens expressed confidence this morning that a recount would still yield the same result. >> recounts in georgia

essentially mean a rescan of what's been done very painstakingly over the last five days. and we know that whether it's tomorrow or next week the result will be the same that joe biden has won the state of georgia. >> joining me now from atlanta is nbc's priscilla thompson. you are in the hot spot. as this week has gone on we were looking at philadelphia as the place where it's all happening. now it's atlanta where it's all happening because it's so close, so much to do with what stacey abrams has done, and we have two unsettled senate seats there which could throw control of the senate to democrats. what is the situation as you see it? >> reporter: yeah, well, democrats are certainly hoping that that will be the case and we see that already with ad spending getting underway here. both jon ossoff and reverend raff i will warnock have gone up again on the airways with ads here ahead of that senate

runoff. and in addition stacey abrams as you mentioned who has done so much here to mobilize voters has implored her supporters to donate to those campaigns. she released a video on twitter a few weeks ago and raised more than $3.6 million for those campaigns in just 48 hours. and we're seeing similar efforts here happening on the republican side of this effort as well. so it is going to be a very competitive next couple of weeks leading up to that runoff. and i should point out that in addition to that andrew yang has signaled that he is going to be moving here. he and a number of his staffers will be moving here to help bolster those democratic senate candidates. he tweeted in part that the best thing that democrats can do for joe biden is going to be to get him a democratic senate. ali? >> i lived in atlanta for a while. it was a pretty exciting place, but it is about to become the most exciting place in america. priscilla, thank you for your

great reporting. priscilla thompson for us in atlanta, georgia. as soon as he's sworn in president-elect joe biden plan tuesday sign a flurry of executive orders to reverse trump administration policies. as we found across the country this weekend it's partially why so many americans were out in the streets celebrating the democratic process that fired donald j. trump. >> what happened the last four years going to bed every night worried, and i just feel like joe biden is the right answer, the right person. he has the heart, the character just to make everything better. >> feeling like america made the right decision and that we'll be back to the foundation of america which is equality, coming together. >> we've been down here so many times in past years to protest for climate change, for black lives matter. and we've been down here so many times when we're upset and angry and worried. and it seemed great to come out tonight and to celebrate and be

part of the celebration. >> but legislating in a post-trump america comes with huge hurdles. biden's going to face a republican senate possibly led by the self-proclaimed grim reaper when it comes to democratic legislation, mitch mcconnell. biden's also going to face a progressive wing of his own democratic party that's bound to hold his administration accountable. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez who easily won her own re-election in new york telling "the new york times" this weekend, quote, the last two years have been pretty hostile. externally we've been winning. externally there's been a ton of support, but internally it's been extremely hostile to anything that even smells progressive, end quote. i spoke with vermont senator, bernie sanders earlier this morning where a progressive agenda fits into a biden administration. >> if the question is do i believe that the progressive movement today deserves important places in the biden

administration the answer is absolutely. we are an integral part of the democratic coalition. i'm not here to say we're the dominant part, but we are an integral and important part that deserves representation a biden administration. >> so maybe biden's the guy to do this. maybe he can walk that very thin line. joining me now someone who knows joe biden. he's worked closely with joe biden. julian castro, the former head secretary during the obama administration. he was a 2020 presidential ka candidate running against joe biden in fact. and secretary, you actually moved the needle on the immigration topic. you were perhaps the most advanced thinker about how to deal with daca and dreamers and people who cross our southern border and other candidates sort of adopted your view over time. so talk to me about how joe biden walks this line, on one hand negotiating and trying to

get things done with mitch mcconnell and republicans if the senate stays in republican control. on the other hand bringing progressives into the fold in a way that doesn't make them feel like outsiders in the democratic party? >> you're right, ali. i think he can do both. i think he's off to a good start. the speeches yesterday by president-elect biden and vice president-elect harris were great speeches about unity, bringing the country together. i also think they can bring the democratic party together. the fact is this fall we were very unified. and my hope is that we will continue to be a big tent party when it comes to valuing the voice and the policies of progressives. and you always need your base to be energized these days to win elections. and that means part of the challenge for the next few months and years is to produce results that includes some policies. i think everyone recognizes as

well that nobody whether it's progressives or moderates or conservative democrats are going to get everything they want. also recognize that you're dealing perhaps i think we can actually two senate runoffs in georgia, but it's possible mitch mcconnell will be the majority leader again. look, there's nobody better suited for dealing with that situation than joe biden with 36 years of experience in the senate having shepherded in major legislation from -- to the assault weapons ban. stewereding the recovery act funds more than a decade ago when he and president obama found themselves dealing with what he's going to deal with in january, an economy in tatters. he has the right experience to both bring people together and to execute well. >> what's the thing that has to happen? alexandria ocasio-cortez was fairly determined about the fact

she feels a great deal of hostility from democratic establishment. what's the thing that has to happen? is it policy shift? is it reaching out? i spoke to bernie sanders this morning. he didn't seem to think it was a fight. he seemed to think that there's influence at the progressive wing of the democratic party has, and that they should show that influence and it should play out. >> yeah, i mean, i think it's all of those things. it's also reflection, hopefully, in leadership. it's reaching out by the administration, and, you know, joe biden is going to have the opportunity to make appointments hopefully, and i believe that there will be progressives in his administration. i was troubled to read about mitch mcconnell's plan to try and curtail the appointment of progressives to the biden administration. traditionally there has been a lot of latitude presidents have to appoint their own cabinet and folks in other positions. so, you know, that look like it's brewing into a fight.

but, again, joe biden has tremendous experience in working across the aisle and getting things done. and so he's going to have to lean on that now more than ever before. >> secretary, good to see you. you and have have known each other for a while. the other day nbc asked us to most memories from elections. and i found a picture of the two of us in front of the alamo in 2008 doing an interview. and i posted that and thought, wow, that's a long time. we broke some bread there and had a nice conversation. good to see you all these years later, sir. >> it's great to see you. you're welcome back in san antonio anytime, ali. >> i enjoy that city and i will be back. coming up next joe biden's promise to black and minority votes who are vital to getting him cross the finish line as the president-elect also promises to work for those who voted for president trump. we're going to dig into that delicate dance after a quick break. dig into that delicate dance after a quick break.

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the african-american community stood up again. you always had my back, and i'll have yours. i said at the outset i wanted to represent -- this campaign to represent and look like america. we've done that. now i want the administration to look and act like -- >> it's clear joe biden knows who helped him win the white house. in the end it was black and minority voters who made donald trump something we know he mates being, a loser. and regardless if donald trump goes peacefully or not joe biden faces a huge hurdle when he takes over the oval office, which he will do january 20th at noon. but the question is how to lead those who did not vote for him as much as those that did.

let's talk it out. she's the author of "the purpose of power, how we came together when we fall apart." i've not had opportunity to speak to you on this occasion on this thing. but for the work you do and the mission that you have how important is it that joe biden is going to become the president of the united states and that kamala harris is going to be the vice president? >> well, it's incredibly important. and i can say that, you know, for so many people this last few days has been a big sigh of relief. what we know is that in the white house right now we have somebody who has been courting white supremacists and white nationalist groups, who has been denying the existence of this pandemic that is ravaging families and homes across the country particularly in black communities. and we have someone who literally, you know, is not participating in many of the global kind of agreements that keep this world peaceful.

i mean, this election was incredibly important for the work that we need to do. with that being said, there is a ton of work to do moving forward. and i'm so glad that you raised, ali, there's a lot to think about tin urms of what it means for joe biden to be accountable to black communities who did help to get him to this place he's in right now. >> and, you know, i was just talking to secretary castro about the line between dealing the mcconnells of the world to get legislation done and the progressives in the party that alexandria ocasio-cortez was talking about or bernie sanders. but there's another thing. when you're talking about minorities, when you're talking about african-americans, the people joe biden says brought him to the dance, they don't necessarily fit neatly into some bucket. all black americans are not progressives, not all democrats, but they still brought him to the party and still want

attention paid to their needs. what does that look like for joe biden? >> well, it means that joe biden and his administration are going to have to focus and prioritize making sure that this piece of the coalition that was necessary for him to win shows up in his agenda not just in the first 100 days but for the feks fonext fos of his administration. frankly black communities we're not a monolith but there are some things we want in common. number one, we want to see coronavirus relief in america. understanding because of the lack of infrastructure in our communities the coronavirus is devastating black communities in particular. we definitely also want to see economic relief. you know in our black agenda from the black to the future action fund and our black census

project from the black futures lab, the number one issue keeping black people up at night were wages too low to support a family. quickly followed by a lack of access to affordable health care and housing. and so what we're going to need to see from this administration is to deliver results for the people. i understand that this administration may be balancing a number of things related to the party, but i think we also have to remember there are people who need relief and what we need relief from is being murdered in the streets without accountability. >> i'm sorry, i did not mean to cut you off. there's a bit of delay. >> there's a lot of places of which we need relief, and this administration is going to have to deliver to the people who got them here. >> yeah, and part of relief just looks like not fighting it, not arguing that it's actually happening. i mean, the thing about the last several months is we saw it happen. we saw it happen with george

floyd. we saw it happen over and over again, and we had a president who just kind of didn't think it was a thing. >> well, not only did this president not think it was a thing but he used this movement as a political football. and unfortunately, some folks on the other side of the aisle picked up the football for donald trump maybe unintentionally. you know, at this point in time we have to actually start delivering results to the people who need it most. and we cannot continue to adopt republican talking points and scare and fear mongering tactics as our own lest people not understand the difference between the parties. what's important to our communities is that there's accountability when police murder in our communities. what's important to our communities is that our economic condition shifts. what's important in our communities is that we have access to the infrastructure that has been intentionally decimated by the republicans over the last 30 years.

this is something that has to be placed front and center. and all of this jockeying around who is going to be the kind of moral center of the party needs to stop. because ultimately what we need to figure out is how do we deliver real things to real people so that in four years we're not back here again. >> from your mouth to their ears. that's exactly right. stuff needs to actually get done. you have been getting stuff done and we thank you for that. the principal of black to the future action fund and the author of "the purpose of power." coming up next, joe biden's plan to tackle coronavirus on day one literally as we learn that america has officially surpassed 10 million cases. how quickly can the biden administration get us out of this crisis? barack obama's health and human services secretary my next guest. you are watching msnbc. guest. you are watching msnbc

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will lay out its plan to combat coronavirus as soon as joe biden takes the oath. well, today america surpassed 10 million covid infections. more than 239,000 souls have been lost on trump's watch. where was the sitting president of the united states today as this rolled in? he was on a golf course. what should biden's covid task force focus on first and just how quickly can we be rolled out of this crisis even in the best of circumstances? with me now health and human services secretary during the obama administration, the former governor of kansas, kathleen sobilious. thank you for being with us. the tragedy of this election is that it has taken our focus off coronavirus. and the tragedy of the nonsense of the trump campaign continuing its rallies or whatever it's doing to delegitimize the results of this election is he's not focused on coronavirus. joe biden is going to announce his task force tomorrow. what can and should they do?

>> well, i think what you'll see is joe biden has been advised by a team of experts all during the campaign and has listened to them very carefully and that will continue i think what's going to happen is that those experts will be available to the american public on a regular basis, and that's really helpful. you'll also see the president-elect not contradict what the scientists are saying but try and reinforce what we know to be the interim steps. until we get a safe and effective vaccine we have a limited set of tools, and i think that's where the biden administration will begin to focus. we have to ramp up testing. we are not doing nearly enough in spite of what donald trump continues to say. the virus is out ahead of the tests. we have to have a much more consistent policy around masks. in state after state, area after area as we know this virus

doesn't know bord, doesn't know red states or blue states and is now ravaging a part of the country where lived right in the midwest. rural communities are ruly struggling. so masking, social distance and taking a very calibrated approach to what schools can do and can't do, what they need to do to pivot quickly if there are outbreaks in the school and communicating with the american public that there will be a transparent and available vaccine as soon as one is ready. >> let me ask you this, you were a governor. a lot of the work that has to be done has to be done at the state and local level. but what we have seen under trump is confusion reining supreme with some governors who say it's up to everybody whether they want to wear a mask or social distance or limit the number of people who go to restaurants. what can the president actually do because he's going to have to make this happen with governors. >> you bet. i think he'll begin to

communicate with governors right now. every governor has been asked to submit a plan to the president. we don't know really what's in those plans. we don't know how wildly different they are or how similar they are. what i've been told is that the federal government still under donald trump has kind of washed their hands of what they plan to do. you know, we'll bring vaccine to kansas and then it's up to you, governor, to figure out where it goes and how to get it there. i think every governor will welcome a national strategy around logistics and federal response and national communication around mask wearing. it does no good for a governor to put in a place a mask mandate when you have the president of the united states defying the science on masks over and over again including election night where now we know that his chief of staff is covid positive. so god only knows how many people were infected in that

super spreader event, but you will see a consistent message agreeing with science starting at the beginning and working right now. you know, there are 11 weeks until the inaugural, and so he will not have power until then. he will have a bully pulpit in communication and begin to send a very consistent message to the american public, and that's been missing. >> secretary kathleen sobilious, thank you for joining us. former health and human services secretary and the former governor of kansas. thank you for joining us today. that is it for me this hour. reminder you can catch velshi each weekday morning 8:00 a.m. eastern only on msnbc. 8:00 a.m. eastern only on msnbc. it's time for sleep number's veterans day sale

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