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>> good morning, and welcome to "a.m. joy." i'm tiffany cross. as you see, trump supporters gathered last night in d.c. ahead of today's million maga march and stop the steal rally, protesting donald trump's loss and touting debunked theories of voter fraud. this comes just hours after nbc news projected president-elect joe biden as the apparent winner of the state where i grew up, georgia, widening his victory now with 306 electoral votes. ironically, this is the same amount that donald trump won in 2016, which he spent much of the last four years referring to as a landslide. but trump has yet to concede. instead, he's been amplifying these qanon conspiracy theories about voting machines, while his campaign is losing on the legal front as it relates to claim of widespread voter fraud with literally zippy evidence to back

it up. all this fruitless denial begs the question, when will donald trump finally acknowledge the reality of his loss? in the words of our vice president-elect -- >> and that's why dude gotta go. >> dude gotta go. joining me now to discuss is congressman bennie thompson, chair of the house homeland security committee, rosa brooks, former pentagon official, professor at georgetown law and author of "how everything became war and the military became everything," and joshua geltzer is back with me, executive director for georgetown law's institute for constitutional advocacy and protection. what a great panel. i'm happy to have you guys with me. congressman, i have to start with you. this appears as though we are in a national security crisis. we have over 100 secret servicemen who have been diagnosed with covid. we have a president who's saying he essentially won't acknowledge his defeat.

we have a secretary of state who stood on a global stage and professed that we would have a smooth transition into donald trump's second term. am i being hyperbolic here in not being so callous about dismissing this president's refusal to concede a loss and support the peaceful transition of power, one of the core pillars of our democracy? >> well, thank you for having me. first of all, we have seen donald trump. he is a classic donald trump. he is who he is. he's a sore loser. now he's trying to come to grips with the loss of power. for the most part, all we have to do is wait until january 20th, and it's over. this confusion he's trying to create. he has mastered the art of confusion for the last four years, so, from a national security standpoint, i'm

convinced that the military will stay strong. i am convinced that the secret service and the other people will do their job in protecting him until january 20th. and after that, there's a new president. >> well, what role, if any, will congress play, particularly homeland security, if this president is just saying, i won't go? i'm calling the election fraudulent and i will not leave the white house. will we see this president dragged out onto the white house lawn like a 1980s episode of "cops"? like, literally, people are concerned that he won't go. what will happen? >> well, and people are concerned. some are wondering if he'll even show up at the swearing-in of the new president. however, the law is clear. the constitution is clear. the secret service guards, the white house, and the sitting president. if the sitting president is joe biden, then donald trump is a trespasser.

so, he has to be removed. so, he can throw all the fits he wants to and not want to leave, but at the end of the day, the secret service will do their job. >> rosa, let me turn to you. i'm so excited that you're on this show. i've been wanting to have you on for a while, so i'm very happy to have you here, and thank you for joining us. let me ask you, because a lot of people slide in my dms or tweet me or email me and ask, tiffany, how do we remove this president? and i think for so many folks, that we look at people who didn't take donald trump seriously in 2015 and 2016, and now we see a lot of the same things happening. people say, oh, these republicans are just humoring him, he'll go. is there some naivete in believing that, or should we be concerned that he is disrupting the peaceful transition of power? >> well, i think he clearly is disrupting the peaceful transition. he is doing his best to make it very, very difficult for the biden transition teams to do their job.

i think they're going to -- you know, they're professionals. they're going to get to work anyway and do as much as they possibly can, but he's sheerlur throwing a lot of road blocks in their way. that said, i agree with the congressman, at the end of the day, it's constitutional irrelevant whether trump concedes, right? i mean, if it's pouring rain outside and i say, "i do not concede to the rain," the rain's going to keep on falling, and that's pretty much where we are constitutionally speaking at this point. i think biden's victory was just too big. it's really not close at the end of the day, either in terms of popular votes or in terms of electoral votes. and you know, will he go to the inauguration and smile like a good boy, like a polite, well-brought-up individual? no. i really doubt that. he either won't go or he'll go and sulk the whole time. but it doesn't matter. you know, the congressman is absolutely right, the secret service, every federal employee takes an oath to the constitution of the united states, and i just don't see any path, any realistic path for

president trump to actually manage to stay in office at this point, which isn't to say that we shouldn't take him seriously as a threat. he is doing his darnedest to disrupt things. there is all kinds of mischief he can do between now and january 20th, and frankly, there's a whole lot of mischief he's likely to do after january 20th, even out of office. >> and i think that's what has people concerned, the potential mischief. we've already seen evidence of some of this mischief, but what could happen is very scary. so, josh, let me ask you -- you made a really good point that the litigation looks more like an effort to sow discord in the belief of our democratic systems. has he been successful at sowing disbelief in the american electorate, particularly his base that's immovable in this belief that, perhaps, the results of the elections are illegitimate? i mean, obviously, world leaders have said, congratulations, president-elect joe biden. how important is it that his base accept these results as well? >> so, tiffany, as rosa said,

constitutionally speaking, the march goes on. and while most litigants when they have a bad day in court just lose the judges, donald trump's bad day in court yesterday was so bad that he lost not just the judges, but his own lawyers. they backed away from these frivolous, damaging claims that he is pursuing. but as you say, tiffany, outside the constitutional order, trump is doing real damage here. he is discrediting the, not just his successor-to-be, but the democracy that yielded that result. and he's leading people, including those gathered here in washington, d.c., today, to think that something has been rigged, something has been stolen, when there is no evidence of that. so, it won't throw off the transfer of power that we are well on our way to seeing occur, but will it leave a lot of people disbelieving in our system, disbelieving in fundamentals of our democracy and potentially prone to extremism, even because of that? yes, that's a real cost he's

imposing on all of us. >> congressman, let me turn back to you. have you talked to any of your colleagues in the house? now, i know there are some people who have come out and said, yes, joe biden should have access to intelligence briefings, and everybody applauds that. but there is always, like, a little slither left of, we don't know how the election turned out, when, in fact, we do. voters have decisively decided that joe biden is the president-elect of the united states. are any of your colleagues in the house as outraged as the rest of the american electorate who is concerned that the constitution, you know, we're depending on people to accept this document, but will they? and what role will republicans in the house play in making the american people accept that, particularly donald trump's base? >> well, you know, donald trump is a bully, and he's completely bullied the republicans in the house and the senate to the point that they are virtually silent as this process is going on.

for as long as we can remember, this process of intelligence briefings and other things is the standard procedure by which transfer of power occurs. so, for, again, donald trump to try to impact this process doesn't make sense. it absolutely puts us at risk. but i can assure you, the professionals in the intelligence community will do all they can to protect us from donald trump and his tantrums, because, clearly, we are a better country than that. so, at the end of the day, things go on, i get briefings. other members of congress get briefings as to what's going on. and thank goodness we have a new leader coming on. this is a bump along the way to stability in government, and donald trump, clearly, is just

upset at losing. he is a sore loser, and he needs to get over it. the people have spoken. >> okay. after talking to this panel, i feel like the cheese stands alone, because i still have concerns! and i'm just concerned about how he's talking to his base and encouraging people to keep up this fight. and i think there is a fight here that happens in the streets, in the courts, in the system itself. so, congressman, while i have you, i want to stick with you, because our homeland security is in question. and i think having a president just completely dismiss the peaceful transition of power will put us in a perilous position. sources tell me that you plan on, in the first 100 days of the new congress, to completely revamp the department of homeland security. what does that look like, specifically given how divided the country is right now? >> well, the department, as you know, was created after 9/11. what we want to do is bring jurisdiction within the sole confines of homeland security.

we've had five secretaries in the trump four years. that's too many. but our department responds to mainly committees and subcommittees in congress. there's too many. so we want to update the jurisdiction. we want to make sure that the separation of families do not occur. we want to make sure that this wall that we've spent billions of dollars trying to build, now he wants to spend millions to paint it, all those kinds of crazy things we don't do. we don't want to use the department of homeland security against state and locals. we want to make sure that that cooperation exists. what donald trump has done is weaponize the department of homeland security against its own citizens. we want to bring it back, do what the framers of congress

did. we should respond to natural disasters. we should protect the country from foreign and domestic terrorists. and we should not be embracing this right-wing philosophy in this country that the fbi and other intelligence communities are telling us that's so dangerous. so, we have a lot to do. i look forward to working with my colleagues to bring it back to what the original intent for the homeland security department was. >> all right. well, i told my executive producer before i got started that this will be an hour conversation, but sadly, that's not the way cable tv works. so, thank you so much, congressman bennie thompson. rosa brooks, i'm so happy you were able to join while i was in the chair. very happy to have you. and joshua geltzer, last time i told you i was so concerned about what's happening. you're not out of the woods yet, my friend. you may be hearing from me. so, thank you so much for talking us through this crazy time in american government. coming up, right in time for the holidays, the covid crisis is worse than ever. that's next. don't go anywhere. orse than ever that's next.

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and he will have a covid coordinator who works in white house, who has direct access to him and will be briefing him daily. that official will have a team of people that he works with, someone coordinating he or she works with, someone coordinating vaccine distribution, someone coordinating fixing the supply chain problems we're having, someone coordinating fixing the testing problems we are having. >> that's incoming chief of staff for president-elect joe biden, ron klain, an alumni of the obama administration. donald trump is still refusing to coordinate with president-elect biden on the covid response, even as the virus is spreading completely out of control with more than 176,000 new cases friday and more than 1,200 new deaths, marking the tenth consecutive day we've seen new single-day cases top 100,000. the biden transition says it has

a plan to overcome the logistical challenges of distributing a vaccine and the logical challenges of convincing enough americans it's safe and effective. joining me now is my favorite panel of doctors, florida state lead for the committee to protect medicare, dr. bernard ashby, infectious diseases physician at boston medical center and msnbc medical contributor, dr. nahid bhadelia. and proving they're not the same person, epidemiologist and member of the biden/harris transition covid advisory board, dr. celine gounder. so excited to have you guys here. i have a ton of questions. folks on twitter and instagram have been tweeting me their questions, so i'm happy to have you all on this very important panel. dr. gounder, i have to start with you as a member of the biden/harris covid response team. this is a very scary time, and the fact that the president is stonewalling -- the outgoing president is stonewalling your work, preventing you from

tapping into the breadth of resources that the current commission has, i have to ask, have you been in touch with dr. fauci and that team, and if so, what have those conversations been like? >> as a member, tiffany, of the biden/harris team, i have not been in touch with dr. fauci. i have in the past, but not with respect to the transition and not since joining the team. and big picture, i think we need to understand that we are at war. we are at war with this virus. this is a national security threat, just like any other national security threat would be, whether it's a terrorist attack or being in armed conflict with another country. and i just really do not understand how we cannot set aside the politics here and do what is best for the american people. we really do need to be briefed on critical information so that we can make plans for when it's time for the biden administration to take over in january. >> let me stick with you,

because, look, i get that people are suffering economically. that's a very legitimate issue. symone sanders from the biden campaign said, look, biden and harris want to shut down this virus, not the economy. but at the same time, numbers that had us shook in march, in april, they're now worse than what we saw in march and april. so i want to ask, is a national shutdown on the table for what you on the transition team is recommending at this point? >> i think we've learned a lot since the spring. and while in the spring, we were much more draconian and not very nuanced in our approach because we simply did not know a lot of the answers, a lot of the details about how the virus is transmitted, i would say we've switched from an on-and-off light switch to a dimmer switch approach, so really dialing up and dialing down based on the local epidemiology, and that requires doing a lot of testing,

because you cannot have your finger on the pulse of where the disease is being transmitted, by whom, and why this is happening, unless you're doing massive testing. so, we are going to be shifting strategies. it's going to be very much data-driven, and dialing up, dialing down restrictions on the basis of what's happening in a particular community. >> all right. before i bring the panel in, let me ask you, "operation warp speed," which, of course, is the public-private partnership to facilitate vaccines in the country, they're saying that they anticipate having 300 doses of vaccine with a general amount of those doses being available by january. as an epidemiologist, do you think that's a realistic goal, and is this a light at the end of the tunnel for the american people to look forward to? >> yeah, the numbers i've heard quoted is pfizer having 50 million doses by the end of the calendar year. the u.s. would get about half of those. and you have to remember that this is a two-dose vaccine regimen, so that means 12.5

million people out of 330 million people would have access to the vaccine in this country. and so, that's a very, you know, relatively small number of people. that does not cover all of the high-priority communities, including essential workers, but also high-risk persons. so, this is a great first step, but we have months ahead still of having to rely on masks and social distancing and ventilation as really core interventions to control the virus here. >> so, let me ask you, dr. ashby, because i think dr. gounder makes a good point -- there are a lot of people with a lot of distrust in the medical community, and i'll start with the maga crowd. for folks who have never known actual persecution, they can mistake a mask for such. so, for certain brittle spirits who feel like masks are infringing on their personal rights, if we can't convince certain people to wear a mask, how would we ever be able to

convince them to take a vaccine? >> so, tiffany, tiffany, don't cross her. i don't want to clip. all right, it fell flat. but listen, we have to actually go back to what dr. gounder said and look at this as kind of a wartime situation. and if we kind of go back to not-so-distant memory to when 9/11 happened, the american people fell in line and we had much more restrictive policies and institutions and things that were passed that americans went along with. so, these same people that are concerned about wearing masks were okay with the patriot act, they were okay with department of homeland security, they're okay with the fisa courts. they're okay with us going to war with afghanistan. and so, now we're talking about wearing a mask, and that pales in comparison to the societal-shifting effects of 9/11. so we have to remind folks that,

yes, it can be a little inconveniencing, but if you're truly patriotic and you care about your fellow american and you want to see our country do well and advance and not regress compared to other countries, wearing a mask is a simple solution. so, that's the easy answer. but i want to also bring up other issues as it pertains to the surge in this virus. and i know that my time is limited, but i want to make sure that we focus on the fact that case fatality rates have gone down because, yes, we are better at treating the virus, but also because hospitals are not getting overwhelmed. and now with the surge, we're facing a situation where these hospitals are going to get overwhelmed, and because people live in certain hospitals, live in certain areas such as, you know, in urban centers and go to county hospitals, those hospitals are going to get overwhelmed and we're going to have issues where they're going to be understaffed,

underresourced, and people are going to be dying because they're not getting the appropriate care. so i want to make sure we put that on the radar. >> right. >> because i haven't seen a plan to address that yet. so, definitely wanted to put that out there. >> thank you for that. and i'll turn to dr. bhadelia with that, because we're seeing right now hospitals getting overwhelmed, even to distribute the vaccine it requires these freezers that can reach negative 70 degrees to facilitate. are we as a country prepared to, one, take the incoming that will certainly likely have an influx during the holiday season, and to provide these freezers to distribute this vaccine to people who may be in underserved areas? >> well, tiffany, the answer to both of your questions is, i don't know. i'm really scared, as i think you can hear from most public health folks and physicians right now, because the cases that we're currently seeing, the hospitalization is 67,000 people hospitalized right now with covid-19 in the united states, and that's a reflection of cases that occurred a bit ago, right? and so, we have over 160,000

cases now. and so, we're going to feel the hospitalizations and deaths go up from those infections, since a portion of those translate into hospitalizations. and you're seeing a trend where you're going to see every single geography, every single part of this country competing for personal protective equipment, medications, such as dexamethasone and others like remdesivir that we're all using, as well as testing. the bigger the problem grows, the less the resources are, you know, for everybody who's competing for them. and so, dr. ashby's point is a good one. it's not just that we're going to see the standard of care potentially go down for covid patients, but also the impact on everybody else's health care. if hospitals get overwhelmed with covid, people don't stop giving birth. people don't stop having heart attacks. they don't stop having strokes. and how are we going to deal with the rest of our communities' health problems if all that we're dealing with is covid? and that's the fear. so, that coordination to do

this, that strain of coordination is the same one that's going to help us with getting all of the freezers where they're being needed to ensure that the allocation and distribution of vaccine is done safely, in a timely manner. that's coordination and that's governance, and we haven't seen that, and i'm worried about what happens between now and january 20th. >> when the doctors are worried, it makes my blood pressure rise. so, i thank you guys for trying to make sense of this incredibly unfortunate situation and just wear your mask, people. that's not a heavy lift. so, thank you so much, doctors bernard ashby, nahid bhadelia and celine gounder. this morning, president-elect biden is hitting the bike trail with his wife, dr. jill biden, while donald trump left the white house in golf clothes. his motorcade making a deliberate loop around freedom pla plaza, where maga supporters are gathering for a rally later today. there is much more "a.m. joy" right after the break. e is much right after the break. when our daughter and her kids moved in with us...

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okay, so, this week, the newly elected members of congress converged on d.c. for a new member orientation, and sparks immediately flew. first, georgia congresswoman-elect marjorie taylor greene -- this is the qanon conspiracy theorist -- tweeted that she, quote, proudly told my freshman class that masks are oppressive, although she, herself, wore a mask to the capitol. give me a break. while illinois republican joan oberweis showed up for orientation, despite the fact that the race had already been called for his opponent, lauren underwood, one of the people who helped implement the affordable care act, by the way. the race had been called for her the day before. meanwhile, congressman-elect core cori bush from miami wore a mask with breonna taylor's name and said she was mistakenly called breonna by her colleagues. >> and it saddens me that people in leadership, people that want

to be in leadership don't know the struggles that are happening to black people in this country, and it's just disheartening, and it was hurtful, absolutely hurtful. and i didn't hear it once. i didn't hear it twice. i heard it several times i'm being called, you know, breonna taylor today. you know, but it's okay, because we will educate and we will make sure that people know who she is, what she stood for, that she was an award-winning emt, you know, in her community, that she's someone who deserves justice right now. >> guys, two different americas. stay with us. stay with us. more "a.m. joy" after the break. s stay with us more "a.m. joy" after the break.

thank you, god, for returning her to me. >> you're with mommy now. everything is okay. >> imagine being separated from your child. that was the emotional reunion between a mother and daughter who had been separated days after crossing the border. but such reunions may be increasingly difficult now. lawyers now say they cannot find the parents of 666 children who were separated at the border. that's higher than a previous estimate of 545.

president-elect biden has pledged to create a task force to reunite the children with their families, but so far, he has not confirmed that separated parents can come to the u.s. joining me now, msnbc correspondent and my friend, jacob soboroff, author of a great book "separated: inside an american tragedy," and of course, congressman joaquin castro, who's chair of the congressional hispanic caucus. congressman, i want to start with you. thank you so much for being here with me today. we've had your brother, julian, on many times. so happy to welcome you to the "a.m. joy" show. i want to ask you, because you've been out front on this issue. certainly, many members of the hispanic caucus have made statements. what is the process? like, where are we? because the only reason this is not a breaking news banner all the time is because these are not white children being pulled away from white mothers. so, where do we as a nation stand on reuniting these children with their parents? how do we make this happen? >> well, that's a great

question, and the truth is, under the trump administration, we're in limbo. we're nowhere. and i've been encouraged by joe biden saying that he's going to form a task force to actually reunite these parents with their children and go and find them. one thing that i have suggested is that the state department take the lead on that, so that's encouraging. but we also, i think, need to form a human rights commission, or the congress should form a special select committee to review these human rights violations, figure out how we make sure that this kind of thing doesn't happen again, and also hold people accountable who may have intentionally abused the human rights of these parents and these children, because remember, for generations, the united states has stood as the north star to folks who are seeking refuge and asylum, who are fleeing oppression and violence and dangerous conditions. and then the trump administration, to send a message to people, intentionally

caused irrevocable harm and trauma to these parents and these young kids. >> and we need to be clear, this is not just an issue of reuniting 666 children, which is in itself a travesty, but also the treatment of people at the southern border. congress released an alarming report earlier this year exposing some of the conditions at these i.c.e. detention centers, which included poor physical and mental health care, failure to protect people from the covid-19 virus, which is ravaging -- or ravishing our country as we speak -- and constrained access to even legal services. so, in this human rights commission you want to create, will anybody be held accountable for some of these abuses that we've seen? there's the nurse who blew the whistle on women getting hysterectomies without their consent. what's going to happen? who's going to pay for this? >> well, i mean, those are all questions that this country needs to answer, and i think the new government can be part of

answering. you're right, i think people have to be held accountable. otherwise, there is a temptation when you get the next stephen miller and the next donald trump in the white house, for a president and others around him or her to advise the same thing. and i have a piece of legislation also with senator blumenthal that would reunite these families and allow them to remain in the united states. and i think that would be the right thing to do for them and for our country. >> jacob, let me ask you. first of all, your book is amazing. it's such a great insight into what's happening at the southern border. what have you witnessed that can make people treat this with the urgency it deserves? we have 666 children who are ripped away from their parents, and we don't know if they will be reunited or not. what have you witnessed that will press upon lawmakers that these are parents who love their children just like you love your children? how can we center them at this

conversation and this moment of a perpetual breaking news cycle? >> well, you know what, tiffany, i think most important is something i didn't realize at the time, when i went inside these facilities and saw what today we all know physicians for human rights describes as torture and the american academy of pediatrics describes as government-sanctioned child abuse by the trump administration. what i know today, and what i think the congressman has alluded to, is that what we're dealing with is decades of deterrent space punitive-based immigration policies that have been carried out, quite frankly, by both republicans and democrats. and donald trump was only able to separate children like that because the system existed. and while donald trump may very well soon be gone, the system that allowed him to do this is not going to be gone. and so, president-elect biden, vice president-elect harris have promised this task force that would immediately reunite children with their families that were taken by this administration, but the big, open question -- and we're waiting to hear this from the incoming administration -- is where will they reunite those families?

if it's not here on u.s. soil, you're going to have a lot of very unhappy activists, immigration lawyers, and most importantly, these parents who came here to seek asylum because they were fleeing conditions in their home country. those 666 are just the tip of the iceberg. we know that there are over 5,400 children who were taken from their parents, and every one of the parents was deported without their children, according to the aclu, deserve to be ru reunited on u.s. soil. so those specifics we're waiting to hear still from the biden/harris transition team. >> you raise a really good point. because of the 666 that we know about, who knows how many other children there are that are just unaccounted for? but more importantly, some parents, the government has been trying to locate some parents, and they're just not able to be found in their native countries. now, many of these parents were fleeing gang violence. many of these people were fleeing narcle states. should we assume the worst? and i'll ask you that, congressman castro. >> you're right.

look, i think on some level, there's a reason they were leaving, right? people don't generally want to make a 1,000-mile trek with young kids just for fun. i mean, they're fleeing very violent and dangerous situations. so, in that sense, you know, you want to think that anything is possible. but what we haven't seen from the trump administration and from the u.s. government is really the best and most earnest effort to actually try to find these parents and reunify them with their children. and i believe that joe biden, in putting together this task force, and kamala harris, will actually do that. but as jacob mentioned, there's a question then, once they're reunited, where do they go, right? and i believe senator blumenthal believes and others believe that they should be here in the united states. >> well, this is such a tragic story. so as we celebrate the holidays, please think about the people who are still separated. and like i said, they love their children just like you at home watching love your children. and so, if we look at it through

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so i ask you to do me a favor. suburban women, will you, please, like me? [ cheers ] please. please. i saved your damn neighborhood. okay? the other thing i don't have that much time to be that nice. i can do it but i got to go quickly. i think we're going to see that the women really like trump a lot. that happened last time. remember? good morning. this is "am joy," i'm tiffany cross. and cable network news about voters of color who broke off from traditional voting blocks and voted for trump. including the latino vote and questions ob black men who voted for trump and how this is a reckoning for democrats moving too far to the left. but in reality, white people remain the only racial demographic to vote for dnt by a majori

majority. where is the conversation about that? about the white electorate, particularly white women, who voted for trump again. just a month ago, donald trump was begging for the votes of these quote/unquote suburban women, which to him and some in the media means white women. the pre-election media narratives have you believe that white women were turning away from trump thanks to his botched covid response, a recession disproportionately affecting women, family separations at the border to name a few. but trump's pleas seemed to have worked, because 55% of white women voted for trump more than they did in 2016. and yet the conversations have been centered on people of color that make up smaller parts of trump's racial coalition? why might that be? joining us now is errin haines, editor at large, msnbc

contributor and senior adviser for the lincoln project also with us a and editor at large at the "daily beast" and also writer and host of the podcast white pick the fence. ladies, i have to tell you, i am very excited to have this conversation. i got to start with you, miley. the way i look at this data, given what we've seen out of trump for decades specifically punctuated by the last four years, a vote for him would seem to suggest that white women are at least okay with some level of white supremacy. is there any other way to interpret that? >> oh, i think that's accurate. we always want, and a media narrative coming out of firms that said, white women are going to turn on the republican party and we always want that, because we want white women to be sort of white men's better angels, but they never are.

historically, they've been really device -- a big voting block and been more than gloria steinem always. it's disappointing but not so surprising. >> rachel, let me ask you, because these modern da phila-halflis,, tell me, was that the narrative you found in 2018? >> no. the exact opposite. my research shows, of course, gets buried. my research is always, you know, the heat of the search, right?

did an analysis of the 2018 house districts, frontline districts, the 40 that flipped. i didn't quite cover all 40, but more than 20 of them, and, you know, survey data is one thing. we're looking right now at these preliminary exit polls and, like, we know the polling in 2020 is going to have some kind of problem in it because we were expecting -- i wasn't -- others were expecting a large biden victory with a huge popular vote mandate, and potentially, you know, texas and georgia and what have you included in that. so we know there's issues in the data. so i don't know where white women will fall, increase or decrease. where i want to look is in the voter file rather than the survey research stuff. when i looked at the voter file in 2018, i was able to show definitively that the 2018 mid-term ux as my models predicted, which the modeling that put me on a national stage

to be talking to you predicted, it was powered by a turnout surge of dem coalition voters, women who are college educated writ large, women of color. white college educated women are a distinct class of white women, and young people who had been tuned out during the obama administration, because they were just not motivated to vote. latino voters. asian voters, black voters. these are the, the heart of the resistance, the surge that began and reshaped -- reshaped the electorate. i thought surely after the election that my research had been not well received coming in to the midterms. surely after that, after i could show it literally in the data and the returns people would understand that, but, no, you are absolutely right. this myth of the disaffected

republican primarily white women has been pervasive all the way through through 2020 and, boy did it cost democrats big, because they built their strategy around it for 2020. this reapportionment, redistricting cycle that is so paramount to the next ten years of democratic politics, and it burned them. right? now we're going to be sitting here dealing with the wake of this election cycle for the next ten years. >> yeah. i mean, and i read your research and i found it quite fascinating. julie, i want to ask you, you had a great piece in "the nation" last year. i don't spend a lot of my time trying to dissect voting of white women. for the purpose of this segment, something to talk about, playing on black and latino voters, but have you looked at the other side of the divide? was this overwhelming support for donald trump in the 2020 election a vote for trump or was

it a vote against biden/harris with emphasis on harris? >> well, i think that it's really the maintenance of the status quo is what it showed. white women have been voting narrow majorities of white women or pluralities of white women voting for republican candidates the better part of 70 years, and i think one of the important things we can hopefully take away, long-standing patterns unlikely to change. the idea that white women are the better angels of white people and because we experience sexism and misogyny which we do, that we somehow are more aligned or more empathic towards the oppression of people of color and particularly black americans experience in this country. that has been routinely discredited at every point throughout history. not only have white women, majority of the white women voted republican for the better

part of 70 years, white women have taken an active role in the maintenance of white supremacy. and that has not changed over the course of generations, and so we still see those legacies today. whether it's amy cooper, or the permit patties or white women who weaponized their identities against especially black men who threaten their privilege. these are long-standing, entrenched patterns. one point rachel mentioned i do this is worthwhile paying attention to and i think sort of this exit poll data secures, one incorrect takeaway from this election, therefore, we wash our harnds and say, okay, we're no longer speaking to white women. they're going to do what they're doing to do politically. their interests of their interests and no point. that's where developing into the subgroups of white women and particularly looking at the white college educated women who did appear to swing this election where there has been

real infrastructure built post-2016 that is doing real organizing in communities. not just swooping in with some ads in the weeks before the election that is really using white women's noteworks in those communities to organize. that does appear to make a difference. and not only that, i think we have to look at the fact that for the better part of 40 years, we have had a vast right-wing organizing machine in this country that has explicitly targeted white women. the notion that white women are just going to do this -- i think you know in a country that's so rooted in white supremacy, is probably is the default position. but it doesn't mean that we don't organize, and i think one of the takeaways we have to look at where that organizing happened and the difference it made. there are exampling of that. >> appreciate that. so so errin turn to you.

you're a member of the media. those were good points but the media is a big part of this conversation because they seem to center white women and seem to have these conversations. after 2016, like, oh, we didn't pay enough attention to trump supporters. somehow back on 2020, oh. we still have to consider the other side. when do we get to center black women and other women of color who disproportionately upheld this party? errin, as a journalist, where do you fall on this, taking into consideration julie's point not ignoring this party block but also those that -- some say, dance with the one who brung you. what say you? >> i fall on it, tiffany, i hope to start a newsroom centers women of color and other african-american communities centering around women in politics in this country and interrogating white womenhood and what that means and what that identity brings to how they

perform at the ballot box. two themes of mine in my coverage of this election cycle. one, sin tenial suffrage, our news rahm named for omission of black women excluded from the franchise at that time. the centennial's suffrage 100 years since white women have had access to the ballot, what have they used that access for? it has not been largely to expand a freer and fairer democracy. meanwhile, you have black and brown women who had to fight twice as hard despite fighting shoulder to shoulder with white suffrages when they finally got access toal ballot with passage of the voting rights act in 1965 used it on behalf of themselves and on behalf of their community, their country and this democracy. that dynamic persists 100 years after the ratification of the 19th amendment. i wrote about that in response

to the amy cooper debacle at central park earlier this spring. racism was on the ballot, we know, for black and brown women this cycle, race up apparently maybe was not on the ballot for the majority of white women who saw, you know, racist rhetoric and policy coming from the president's administration and yet were still focused on, you know, issues that then affected their lives or their house houlds personally. >> tell virus, footage they saw of the motorcade going through the crowd, perhaps may have been the president's motorcade. we are not 100% sure what that is, but very on point what we're talking about. you see many white women there cheering on. it is. we have confirmed. nbc has confirmed that is the president's motorcade riding through this crowd who is by all evidence refusing to accept the results of the election at this million maga march and the stop

the steal rally. you see few people wears masks and that is the outgoing president, donald trump. his motorcade riding through this rally right now. i do see some people wearing masks but not a lot. so we couldn't ask for better timing for this conversation as we're watching this. molly, i will bring it back to you's one of the problems and challenges i had was this re-invention of the white woman narrative. i think many of us took note when the media attempted to rewrite the narrative of melania trump. many in the media saw a victim others saw a villain in someone not in fact a victim but a willing complacent co-conspir y co-conspirator with her husband and a birther, quite frequently treated with white gloves and fed into this poor white women while many women are color were

out fighting on democracy on the front lines. is this a voting block that is changeable, because so many democratic campaigns seem so eager to win this voting block? or should people on the left side of the divide focus on the people who have long stood by their political affiliation? >> so i think it's an interesting situation, because you really have seen, like, indigenous people, african-american women and men, really show up for the democratic party in a way that's amazing. and the kind of activism we've seen has been incredible, and, know, just awe-inspiring, but i think it's worse because white women are very large, like, 32% of the electorate. they're a large voting block and i think they differ a lot from area to area. right? like women in the north don't have the same history of voting terrible racism as women in the south do.

and women with college degrees tend to vote democratic more. so i do think there's an opportunity to speak to those people, but i think it's also really important that it democrats acknowledge all the work that has been done by stacey abrams and fair fight and all the activists on the ground in arizona who have done this incredible work and have really changed the, you know, changed the election and changed the world and delivered arizona. so i think, you know, we shouldn't ignore anyone in the democratic party, but i think it's really important especially right now to give those people their due. >> all right. this has been a very fascinating conversation. i have a lot of friends who email me, particularly white women saying, what do i say to my friends? i've got nothing for you. this panel, i hope, helped answer those confess. thank you for the honest conversation. perhaps uncomfortable but the more we talk about it the less uncomfortable it will be and it's very necessary. thank you all. of course, you'll be back with me, because next up,

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we're not fighting against republicans. we're fighting for america, and the way we do that is by pulling together the coalitions that we had in november and making certain that that coalition understands its power heading into january. the difference in our nation if we do not deliver raphael warnock and jon ossoff will be tremendous and jarring and possibly existential. that's the incomparable queen stacey abrams. let me say it is impossible to overstate the political importance of the state where i grew up, georgia. both senate races there are headed to a runoff in january, and the outcome will determine which party will control the u.s. senate. if democrats win both seats, that would be a game-changer for president-elect joe biden who nbc declared the apparent winner

in georgia. making him the first democrat to win that state since bill clinton back in 1992. a race i remember well. i've got an all-atl panel back with me. errin, 3000, aaron hainerrin hae 19th and msnbc contributor and politics and journalist professor at morgan state university, and loved natasha brown, co-founder of black lives matter and shout-out to anybody who gets the what i'm dropping for you. my atl shorties. thank you for joining me. natasha, i'm going to start with you, because i know what we saw during the 2020 election, and you've been somebody who has been fighting for democracy for decades, on the ground, one race at a time. what concerns me, what keeps me up as nice is the voter see

pregs sue flegs georgia. standing in line hours just to cast a ballot. will we see that january 4th when this election happens? >> i'm starting to see voter suppression, we'll see those tactics. we've been seeing them. the great thing we realizaled we have ways to beat them back. able to overperform doing deep organizing. a coalition of groups, as stacey abrams talked about earlier bound together, organizing, beating this group. look at groups like the georgia coalition for the people's agenda and georgia stand up and the new georgia project and black lives matter working diligently. we didn't wait. we are working diligently now making sure we are getting the vote out. that is what will take to beat that voter suppression. we did not come out in spite of voter suppression, because it wasn't there. we came out in spite of it. we organized. we organized our power. created our networks and coalition and we turned georgia.

>> well, let me tell viewers what you saw when you saw warehouses of people walking through. those were actually people hand-counting ballots per the georgia secretary of state, who has given in to doing a hand count and already says he does not think a recount that is a hand count will change the outcome of the race. what you're seeing there. back to jason. turn to you. residential pessimist. don't bring the whole panel down. okay? >> that's my plan. >> i know. i know! do you think that there is a possibility that the doug collins and kelly loeffler coalition can consolidate and topple reverend warnock's race for the senate or is there a chance for black voters and other emerging electorate and

overtake this and topple democrat's power in the senate? >> it really what do do with black turnout. every organization, every from the biden campaign, it's just about turnout. the last time you had major runoff ares in georgia, which is 2018, after stacey abrams was robbed of the governship by the opponent running his own race, voter turnout dropped from 40% to 60% in some counties. voter turnout doesn't have to equal election day. 10% or 15% drop-off especially in the black community we can definitely see raphael warnock gets in. either both democrats or both republicans win. not a split vote. depends on black folks. if they have something to say, get out there, it's going to

happen. otherwise, no. this is important. people around the country are paying attention to this campaign, want to get involved. there's a national volunteer call on november 21st people can get involved in. don't just try to show up in georgia. it's the south. you can't show up at peoples houses ask what you want for dinner, try to work with organizations already in existence. >> good point and good information. errin, you're an atlanta native. turn to you. what is on the minds of georgia vote voters? what will be on their minds to get them out? i grew up there, too. january is cold. you can have ice storms in georgia. how do we expect these voters to stand in line again for perhaps another 12 hours? how do we do that? >> well, hey, y'all, errin 3,000 is my new twitter name. you know, tiffany, january in

atlanta is fickle. could be 35 degrees. could be 85 degrees. we don't know. so we don't know what the weather is going to do. >> true. >> in atlanta on the day of this jauc thisoff. list this runoff. georgia voters, recognizing being able to flip to blue may be able to carry momentum over the next several weeks. they know the senate lies in the balance that the eyes of the nation are focused on the peach state and may be ready to make another statement. that is entirely possible, but it is going to come down to turnout and really continuing to expand the electorate in the way that folks like stacey abrams and latasha brown have been doing for years and other grass roots organizations on the ground in atlanta, in georgia, making rural folks be seen for the first time. first time in that state. other folks who felt unseen and unheard in georgia and really making the election not necessarily even about the

candidates but really about them, the voters, the power they have, akd tnd relationship betw politics and connection to their daily lives especially in the middle of this pandemic. i think that continuing to push back against voter suppression is also what this vote represents for a lot of those folks, and i do think that you will continue to see a very motivated electorate show up and possibly show out in georgia come january. >> as we're having this discussion, this maga march in d.c. is expanding and if we can get people -- highly doubt a million people there, but you do see this convergence of all these it trump supporters willing to travel to d.c. to me that does throw georgia in the mix. will there be people who are willing to travel to georgia to help energize this maga base? and so latasha, turning to you. you've been somebody out there. people like to celebrate the lincoln project. fine for them. but you, my friend, have been

fighting this fight for a long time. always on the right side of history. what's the plan for black voters matter? to encourage and get out the vote in georgia to make sure that -- isn't it ironic black voters might deliver the power of the senate? so the democratic ticket -- to the democratic ticket. your plan? >> totally justice. also wind up being the state i think black voters who have experienced that to actually deliver the victory is what we're see. we have momentum. wind behind our wings's regardless in hotlanta. really fired up. not just metro atlanta but the black belt countsies. looking at albany, athens, all those areas. black voter turnout, we've got to keep, got the momentum behind us. for many around the country, those that live in the deep

south we live with trump every day. that structural racism is a part what we've been able to navigate through and what he did, und underestimated how we would respond to voter suppression. i believe we'll have an opportunity to take this all home. >> all right. you know you guys, i could talk to you all day, but we are out of time. i want to thank you, errin haines and latasha brown and jason johnson. tune in to "the week" tomorrow night. jason hosting. you are such a copycat. i guessed host, now all of a sudden you're guest hosting? maybe i should go out and get my ph.d. to remind everybody about it every 30 seconds to have a ph.d. in political science? fine. i will be live trolling -- sorry. live tweeting while you host. congratulations, my friend. can't wait to see you dpriv tyo conversation. don't be mad at me for something i say on twitter.

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republicans to keep trying to do this. right? their voters, their own voters, don't want the affordable care act to go way. the issue with obamacare has always been that if was called obamacare. it was always it was a black president trying to help them with health care. if it was called, oh, i don't know, romneycare, which is somewhat it was when mitt romney came up with it in massachusetts, republicans would be fine with it. this is really, this is politics at the pettiest level and surprisingly tuesday i believe there were five votes on the supreme court to reject it. >> so you say that in order for the court to strike down the aca she to have accept three sbe intellectual arguments. are what are those and why are they intellectually dishonest? >> three student rights the

republicans want the court to go on. first dumb ride, show standing. is there a harm? please express the harm for allowing people in texas to buy health care? dumb argument number. argument two is that the individual mandate itself is unconstitutional just because the republicans zeroed out the mandate to zero dollar tax. why is there unconstitution if you lower rates? no oh tax works that way. perhaps, i don't know, the next president or the next congress might want to raise the tax of the individual mandate and should be able to do that. calling the individual mandate unconstitutional because they zero eed the it out is intellectually dishonest. the third, basically republicans by zeroing out the mandate gave the bill gangrene. now republicans say, since it

has gangrene we have to decapitate the patient. now how it works. you have gangrene, cut off a leg and keep rowing. right? that's the issue of severability. literally not makinge ing it up. that a legitimate term. severability. five votes including roberts and maybe brett kavanaugh to say you can sever the individual mandate and allow the rest of the law to go forward. >> that's concerning to me, because i have to say my mother would be impacted if they struck down the aca. i would be impacted. an argument that could go on for months. what's your best guess where this argument will land in scotus? >> well, right now -- the oral arguments went basically as well for aca defenders as one could have hoped with a 6-3 conservative court. now start writing the opinion. surely thomas and alito who

hates the aca will try to write an opinion to convince kavanaugh or amy coney barrett to cokucom along on their side, five votes to kill the law nap will go back and for. sometime in june final answer. roberts seems really clear. i mean, the way you played the right clip from roberts. right? he understands what the republicans did is they could not defeat the aca at the ballot box. didn't have the votes. they want the court to do kwh, roberts doesn't play that. doesn't like you using contextual arguments like that with him in court. if he can bring kavanaugh along with him, fine. the aca will beat back this challenge and then we'll wait for the next time the republicans try to kill it, and, you know, a year and a half. >> i point out one of the most visible effects that would happen if they did, they were successful at overturning aca,

insurance companies would once again be able to discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions. which would certainly delay my own surgery. and impacted -- >> trump has 70 days to unveil his health care plan. we should look forward to that. 70 days to tell us how he'll protect us. >> and cbs news, lesley stahl a binder full of nothing purporting there was a new health care policy and we have yet to see it. just like d.j. jimmy, out here going like this, where is it? where is it? haven't seen it. thank you so much. don't go anywhere. stick with plea. a l me. a lot is happening in the country, people keep asking, are is elly? up next, the latest on this pro-trump anti-reality protest going on in d.c. right now. i'm so confused that's happening.

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[ cheers and applause ] okay. moments ago donald trump drove by freedom plaza in washington, d.c. where several pro-trump groups are about to kick off a noon rally they're calling "the million maga march." so far the crowd actually looks to be quite large but it remains to be seen how many people will actually show up and if they're actually reach a million. i bring in msnbc's alison barber live on the ground in d.c. tell me about what's happening here. >> reporter: hey, tiffany. show you some of the scene around us. we just saw a group of 15 or 20 members of the group that they call themselves the proud boys.

they planned to have a march, the one you said is called the million maga march. you can see here. look at the crowd. hundreds and hundreds of people here. the crowd stretches past the building. we're standing a little back because most of people in the group aren't wearing masks so we're keeping a little distance. you see flags and signs, gathered here. for the most part a largely peaceful protest. we saw one somewhat of a confrontation between a counterprotester a small group, refuse fascism, coming into the crowd here and quickly surrounded by pro-trump protesters and forced out of this area. this group here, the people we have spoken to say they have come here to show their support for president trump and protest election results, which they believe are fraudulent. i asked one person here any point, even when all states

certify results to consider it a legitimate election, once we see who won the election, he told me they will accept it, but not believe it. you can see this crowd. a large group. president trump drove by earlier. he's tweeted he will maybe stop by and say hello. see if he makes his way back after, i believe, he's golfing right now. after he comes back from virginia. this group is growing by the minute. we've seen far extreme right groups in the crowd. one woman drove up from florida just to be here for this event. tiffany? >> all right. thanks. don't go too far. please stay safe. we may come back to you. if i don't, sure my league alex witt will check in what's happening on the ground. thank you so much. turning now to our justice correspondent for the nation, elie mystal and jason johnson, msnbc contributor, to help talk through some of this craziness. so jason, this is not far from

where i live in washington, d.c. looking at this crowd, the reporter alison mentioned the proud boyce, enrique, whiching himself chairman. i didn't know they were so organized. perhaps there's a board of directors we don't know about. fox news host sean hannity has been very vocal about his support for this and the self-described american nationalist and social media agitatorer nicholas fuentes people who elevated the march encouraging people to attend. what do you make of the size of the crowd? to be honest,er time we've seen this, 30, 40 people. this crowd actually does look pretty massive? >> well, tiffany, i'm not surprised. trump got 70-something million votes and a lot of those people will come out. i don't think they'll reach a million people. we were all alive when they were speculating whether there were a

million people for the original million man march 20 years ago. we know that was a million people. i think the bigger issue is this -- we have to understand, looking the proud boys are a terrorist simple sympathizing group. depending who you say they are. if you'ring there to support president trump, you voted for him but comfort being in a crowd with a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizing organization with the proud boys are you endangering american democracy. the proud boys were directly connected to acts of violence against black people and against the lgbtq community, vocal threats their leaders made online. this group is harboring these individuals and we need to be concerned how the crowds are activates whether standing back, standing by, they're standing firm with donald trump and that's a problem.

>> that is scary and punctuates the point i was making that i'm not so sure we can be confident there will be a peaceful transfer of hpower. many storefronts in d.c. are boarded up. christopher rodriguez said thursday that they were expecting a relatively small crowd. however, this crowd looks perhaps bigger than what they expected. elie what do you make of so many people showing up to defy what has clearly been a confirmed victory by joe biden? these are people saying, we refuse to accept the reality of what we're seeing. >> yeah. well, reality doesn't care if they accept it or not. right? they lost. they're going to keep losing. as the big lebowski says "the bums lost!" . i'm concerned for the reasons why jason said but i don't forget the fact that these people are fundamentally a joke.

these aren't serious people. these are members of a cult. i feel a little bit like i'm jane goodall watching people in the mist. right? we see the north american maga in all of rts idiot glory. their leader left them for greener pastures yet still they march almost mindlessly. trump drove by that parade to go golf! his entire election results, lawsuit strategy is a grist ff make money for his campaign. i refuse to let people people op take my joy having defeated them the next at least four years. march all they want. i hope they get frostbite. >> let me say this march includes the women for trump event. and they have falsely asserted this voter fraud, and that

that's the reason that donald trump lost the election. but we're seeing record turnout in terms of the popular vote. arizona has been called. north carolina was called and trump actually won it. arizona, much thanks to the navajo nation. native americans in that state who helped deliver a decisive win for donald trump. what would it take for such a large crowd to accept that this is where we are as a country and then, jason, let me ask you, how do we proceed? how do we co-exist with our fellow countrymen who are here willing to risk life and livelihood marching in the streets without masks, rejecting reality, rejecting the reality of covid. rejecting the reality of the election? how are we expected to co-exist with this crowd of people? >> oh, we don't have to. i mean, we just have to tolerate them. look, 230,000 people dieing of covid and 9 million people infected has not changed the fact these people still want

support and worship a guy who said you should drink clorox bleach to be okay. numbers don't matter either. a funny tweet this morning. cortez, part of the trump campaign running through a list of numbers why these aren't valid results and we refer to them as steve kornacki. trying to figure why the numbers don't match. end of the day these people aren't connected to reality. they are only concerned with their perceived loss of symbolic power. what i have always thought going forward is, the most important thing for joe biden and this administration to do is treat these people like what they are. they're american citizens. they have rights, but are not part of the mandate. they are not part of america that wants to change. this is something also tiffany is really, really important going forward given the protests we saw this summer over breonna taylor and ammad arbury and george floyd and everything else, interesting it was reported there's no violence. why there's often not violence

at these large maga rallies? superspreader summer jams, a lot of police are in favor of this. how many reports of police actively hostile towards black lives matter protesters but sitting by and escorting people a part of these it far right groups? we need to treat these groups the same way everybody is treated. peaceful, fine. violent, tearing things up, should be arrested, treated same as everybody else if we're all equal under the law. >> the conservative provocateur created the pizzagate is another supporter of this march. it's funny until it ain't. could have dangerous results. out of time. thank you both for joining. don't forget to tune into jason tomorrow night. that's our show. more "a.m. joy," jonathan capehart in the chair. for now, stay tuned for alex witt.

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it is high noon near the east. 9:00 a.m. on the west coast, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt" charting the course of an incoming presidential election amid a raging pandemic. an administration in denial. first public remarks since losing the election, president trump touting progress on a coronavirus vaccine but barely mentioning the case in new surges or his electoral defeat.

reporting a record number of now cases today. more than 170,000 and president-elect joe biden full steam ahead with his transition. pressing the trump administration for a robust and immediate federal response to the pandemic, writing in a statement, i will not be president until next year. the crisis does not respect dates on the calendar. it is accelerating right now. urgent action is needed today, now, by the current administration starting with an acknowledgement of how serious the current situation is. this all comes as right now in georgia a recount is under way. nbc news pror jects joe biden apparent winner of the state expanding college elker to victory to 306 votes. meantime the president suffered multiple legal blows friday. in pennsylvania, arizona and michigan, creating even greater roadblocks to his last-ditch attempt to block biden's victory. now for more expansive look at what's happening, latest wd