fraud, this admission appeared to be a change for trump, that is until he tweeted again minutes later claiming that biden's win is an invention of the, quote, fake news media and defiantly boasting that he concedes nothing. joining me now is nbc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell. kelly, what are you hearing? what actually is going on? >> reporter: well, it seems the president has a few moments where the truth and his own acknowledgment of the truth wants to slip out. we saw it in the rose garden where he came right up to the line and caught himself talking about the next administration, and then today in just those two words in a long tweet "he won" and then argued about other points that don't have a basis, clearly he then saw the reaction to that is correct which was his first explicit acknowledgment that joe biden has won the election and will take office on january 20th. now, we knew at the time that tweet came out it wasn't a full-throated concession, it

wasn't the kind of transfer of power that the president has at times said he would be a participant in, a peaceful transfer, it's none of those normal things, but it seemed to be the truth slipping through the cracks. when he caught that and saw the reaction to it, he then in all caps mode began to send additional tweets saying he was not conceding, that, again, asserting a rigged election and all of those kinds of things. a big part of this is about preserving some things for president trump. now, he may get to a point where he will acknowledge the known fact now that joe biden will be the next president, perhaps that's when votes are certified, perhaps it will be some other point, but in the intervening time there is some other things happening and you know this well, jonathan. there are emails and text messages seeking funds for the litigation part of this post-election period, but included in those solicitations for donations to trump supporters it's clear that some

of that can pay for the campaign debt of the year gone by, some can go into a pac that the president could use for future political activity, which could cover things like his travel or making donations to candidates, to be a king maker in a new role. they don't want to shut that down and if you concede it's hard to then send fundraising appeals that say help us fight. so that may be part of it. or it may be just a slower process of the president trying to come up with his own end game. clearly it's not the traditional, he didn't do the things that other candidates throughout our history have done, and we thought maybe for a moment it was a bit of a recognition. now, some white house officials had acknowledged that they thought this could be the president finding his own language for a concession, to reach the end of this path, but then saying that of course the president followed it with other tweets, therefore, it kind of clouds it, muddies it over. what's clear is aides and

officials tell us that they do know the president recognizes the math and the way this is headed, which is separate from having his opportunity for litigation and to make whatever appeals he wants to in court cases that are not going his way, but when he gets to a public reckoning with this, that's what we're all waiting and watching for, jonathan? >> kelly o'donnell at the white house, thank you very much for coming on and putting it all into overall context. thanks very much. >> good to see you. whether trump is formally conceding or not he's still throwing baseless claims of voter fraud to his legions of supporters like red meat. overnight it turned bloody. one person was stabbed and at least 20 people were arrested at demonstrations in washington, d.c. that actually started out as a peaceful albeit largely maskless rally of trump supporters dubbed the million maga march. the demonstrations later devolved into violence when trump supporters faced off with counterprotesters with a difficult message to hear, your

guy lost. keep in mind this was the scene in d.c. last week when biden supporters were literally dancing in the streets of jubilation in a seb brags akin to ve day. it's striking enough that trump's abject inability to confront reality is denying both the incoming biden administration the chance to adequately prepare and the american people the stability of a peaceful transition of power. as the president's former chief of staff john kelly told "politico," this isn't just about ego, it's a matter of national security. now it's also a matter of public safety. and it's unfortunately a stark reminder that while trump may have lost the election, the 73 million americans who voted for him are not immune to the misinformation he continues to spread or the violence he continues to encourage. joining me now is donna edwards, former congresswoman from maryland and msnbc contributor. stuart stevens senior advisor for the lincoln project and

author of the fabulous book "it was all a lie." elise jordan, former aide to the george w. bush white house and state departments and an msnbc political analyst and jeremy bash, a former chief of staff at the cia and the defense department and a national security analyst for msnbc. and alexi mccammond political reporter for axios and msnbc contributor. an all star panel here. i need to go round robin and get your reaction first to the freudian tweet of the president of the united states saying "he won" and then the almost immediate backtracking. i want to start with you, stuart. >> well, look, this is, i think, a terrible moment for the republican party. donald trump isn't going to change. the reason we have parties in our political system is to have something bigger than one person and the republican party has just completely failed this moment.

it was ronald reagan who said freedom is one generation away from extinction and this generation of republican leaders to an extraordinary degree have abandoned that legacy. they should absolutely defend democracy by acknowledging reality. that's pretty easy. they don't have to charge a beach, get out of bed even, they can just call their com shop and have them send out a two-sentence statement. >> elise, why aren't republicans overall acknowledging reality? i mean, we all see it. i'm surrounded by it here in the studio with the electoral -- the electoral votes and who won which state. >> well, there's a pesky runoff election in georgia happening on january 5th and, bingo, there is a belief among some republican strategists that to have this fiction continue will stoke turnout in georgia and -- but

you just simply don't get when donald trump is not on the ballot and that's the kind of turnout that republicans still need to get to win those two senate seats and they don't need the overwhelming energy of democrats who were voting against donald trump, so georgia has become this grab bag and one pragmatic reason that you hear some republicans saying that it can be put off, this acknowledging of reality, but, you know, the point is, as stuart was saying, this is doing horrible damage to democracy, to the idea of democracy, to the sanctity of american elections and the idea that we have a peaceful transfer of power. we are sending a horrible message to the country and to the world. >> congresswoman edwards, let me bring you in here and have you talk a little bit more about the impact all this is having on the georgia senate races. as el he is juise pointed out,

of the reasons why republicans on capitol hill won't acknowledge the fact that joe biden is president-elect is about keeping the base gined up so they turn out for the georgia runoff elections. how successful do you think this will be for republicans, or are democrats as equally fired up about the runoffs in georgia? >> i don't know, my conversations, jonathan, with people in georgia is that the georgia organizations and the candidates themselves are highly motivated to condition this trek. they really see a light at the end of the tunnel in terms of flipping these two seats, both war knock and ossoff into democratic hands and i think the problem for republicans is that while donald trump is continuing his sort of quest to change the hearts and minds of the people he already has that he somehow won this election, he's really not concerned about georgia and

that's why you see senate republicans, particularly mitch mcconnell and other republicans, really trying to keep -- wanting him to keep that fire stoked so that they can use it in order to try to ginn up that base without donald trump on the ballot. they know what happened in 2018 when donald trump was not on the ballot, his voters didn't really care and democrats won a lot of seats in the house and i think that they are running the same risk obviously here in georgia. let me just say that the bigger point here is that for a transition to happen is about releasing those resources from the general services administration so that the transition teams and biden/harris can get to work. that is a real danger and a danger to our democracy in terms of a transition, peaceful transition of power. whether or not donald trump says the words "i concede" or slips

up and says, you know, "he won" again doesn't really matter, but it's the functioning of government that really matters so that we can get to noon on january 20th. >> jeremy, let me have you talk about sort of our hamlet there on black lives matter plaza just south of lafayette square. how damaging is it to democracy as the congresswoman was putting it, but also to our standing in the world when we have a president of the united states who tweets one thing, conceding that -- conceding the election, and then within minutes reversing -- reversing himself? >> well, jonathan, he's undermining the sanctity of elections, he's undermining the concept of democracy and it makes it much harder when our diplomats go abroad and point the finger in the chest of an autocrat and say why don't you guys have more democracy and

freedom, they can turn around and say look at your own president, look at your system. he's saying elected are rigged and shouldn't be respected. if you look at what's going on at the pentagon, the president fired the day of the accident of defense, undersecretary for defense and the chief of staff. the entire segment of the leadership that's responsible for an orderly transition. this is not only depriving the biden team of intelligence but also undermining national security at a very dangerous and precarious time. >> alexi, yesterday in washington as we all know the million maga march was happening and it sort of felt like inauguration day all over again in terms of exaggerating about crowd size. here is what kayleigh mcenany tweeted out. amazing, more than one million marchers for president trump descend on the swamp in support. best base in political history, we love you guys, yadda, yadda,

yadda, blah blah blah. there weren't a million people there, alexi. >> there were not a million people there, there were a couple thousand folks there. that's just a reflection of the fact that we know that president trump and the folks around him don't care too much about the facts and figures because they know that the facts and figures don't help their case. that's also reflected in these baseless legal strategies and lawsuits that the president is pursuing. none of these legal actions are poised to change the outcome of the election. historically statewide recounts have only changed the margins by about 430 votes and while joe biden's margin might be thin in several states it's certainly not that thin. so the facts don't help them and they know that and a that's why they don't rely on the fact. what is really detrimental in this whole situation is that this rhetoric and baseless legal actions and lawsuits are really having the potential to delegitimize the outcome of the 2020 election in the eyes of millions of americans and trump supporters.

it makes me think about this idea of trump versus trumpism. that i've had conversations with racial justice leaders about, democratic strategists and operatives and lawmakers about. this idea that, yes, joe biden might have beaten donald trump as president, but that doesn't make trumpism go away and this environment that he has created go away, and that reflects the high bar that biden has and is facing when inaugurated on january 20th. >> one of the things that kelly o'donnell pointed out in her report from the white house talking about the freudian tweet and the stuff that came after it, is, you know, the impact that this is having on the president's future prospects. i want to put this report up from "usa today" where trump wants to make money off the fake stolen election crisis he created. don't let him. it says for days president donald trump has been blasting his email list with urgent pleas for contributions to fund litigation challenging the results of last week's election. the fine print on trump's

fundraising solicitations makes his intentions clear. the funds are going to a new trump leadership pac called save america. 60% and the republican national committee campaign account 40%. this looks like a good old fashioned bait and switch. stuart stevens, i would also say that this looks like the grift that keeps on giving. how often earth -- i'm sorry, i'm exasperated how the people, the 70 something plus million people who support the president to whom these emails are going to are actually giving this guy money still. >> yeah, look, the trump campaign from the very beginning has been a large criminal enterprise, more people have gone to jail associated with this campaign than any campaign since watergate and more are going to go to jail. what you are going to see in the days ahead is an attempt by the trump campaign to control the rnc. that's really not about political power as much as it's

about trying to cover up financial misdoings. that's what they're going to try to use the rnc for, just a large slush fund. it's, again, up to republicans to take their party and say, no, donald trump, it's not your piggy bank. you see absolutely no inclination and it's, i think, just extraordinarily week. i also think it's very bad politics for georgia. the key here is to moat vaid african-americans more than any other single factor and a lot of this talk is just about race and it's incredible that they are not talking more about the fact that when the votes are disenfranchising predominantly black votes, that's what they really mean. i think that what a great way to motivate african-americans than have someone trying to take your vote away again. >> stuart, i'm going to let you go get that, i think that was

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jonathan. >> so, jeh, how destabilizing is it for the president of the united states, one, to not have conceded the election, then sending out a tweet this morning saying he concedes the election and then within seconds sending another tweet saying, oh, never mind, fake news, rigged election, blah, blah, blah? >> jonathan, i've been involved in three presidential transitions, two outgoing, one incoming. you simply cannot expect a government on january 20, a new government, to start from a standing still position. in my lifetime jimmy carter and george h.w. bush were sitting presidents, both defeated for reelection. they are great americans who managed to get over their bruised egos and rise above that and do what is best for the nation. what is best for the nation right now is that we have an

orderly transition and we begin the process of down loading to the new government the things they need to know to govern, to manage national security, to address covid. you know, during the transition four years ago i personally visited trump tower and president-elect trump myself because there were things that i believed he needed to hear to prepare for office from the secretary of homeland security, and the pdb, most of all, the presidential daily brief, is vital for a president-elect who is about to take the reins of power to have because the pdb when you are president, when you are on the national security council, really is your eyes and ears for governing in national security. >> and the pdb being the presidential daily brief. secretary johnson, the fact that president biden is not getting the pdb, is not being briefed on national security matters on a daily basis now, he was declared

the winner seven days -- now eight days ago, how debilitating is it for him, for president biden and his incoming administration not to be read in sooner rather than later on the dangers facing the country, but also the world? >> well, president biden himself has been a public official, he's been involved in national security for decades, he is probably the most experienced person to ever take office in decades, but i know from my own personal experience that what we see and read open source from public sources and what very often he hears in the pdb is vastly different. when i was in office reading intelligence briefings every morning, that was my first order of business, and then, frankly, and with all due respect to those of you in the media, if i

had time i'd get around to the newspapers and so forth to figure out how you guys were covering what we knew to be reality. so the pdb a daily intelligence briefing really is your eyes and ears when you are in office and you have to do your job. >> as someone who covered you when you were at both dhs and counsel at dod, i know, i came second or third. secretary johnson, let me get your reaction to this statement about the election from your former department where it says, the november 3rd election was the most secure in american history. and then they literally bolded the statement below, there is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromise compromised. >> jonathan, i'm very proud of the fact that after january 2017

when i declared the election infrastructure to be -- the department really did a lot of good work working with the states, working with state election officials to harden their election infrastructure cybersecurity. i think the director of newly created cybersecurity and infrastructure did a fantastic job, did a fantastic apolitical job to secure our elections working with state officials. so i'm not surprised to see that statement coming from my old department and i'm very proud of what they've done. >> and you mentioned, chris krebs and there is a story in "politico" how he expects to be fired by the white house because of that report and what he did. let me get your reaction to this head line that we have here at

nbc, federal judge ruled acting dhs head chad wolf unlawfully appointed, inn validates dhaka suspensio suspension. >> this is his opinion, i'm aware of it. i am aware that gao some months ago determined that the acting secretary was in office legally invalid. so this is a mess that's going to have to be unwound, but going back to what i said before, i'm very proud of what dhs has done, i think chris krebs in particular has done a remarkable job and i hope all americans recognize that. >> secretary johnson, i said in

an earlier question you were the counsel at the department of defense, you were the secretary of the department of homeland security, we are in the middle of another transition to a democratic president. if you've got a phone call from president-elect joe biden asking you to come back to washington and to be in the administration, would you accept? >> as a patriotic american, i would have to seriously consider it. after consultation, close consultation, with my family. >> okay. >> how is that? >> i will take that. i'll take that. >> okay. >> secretary jeh johnson, thank you very much for coming on the show today. >> thank you. thanks, jonathan. coming up, mitch mcconnell's grasp on power is getting more tenuous by the moment. p on powee tenuous by the moment.

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here today that will change georgia. because change is coming to georgia. change has come to america and retirement is coming for senator david perdue. all eyes remain locked on the nation's new political epicenter, georgia, and its pair of senate runoff elections on january 5th. history shows runoffs have rarely been kind to democrats, but the party is going all in on the these races because the outcome will not only decide which party controls the senate, it will also shape the legacy of joe biden's presidency and his ability to implement his agenda. joining me now is nevada senator catherine cortez masto, she's also the chair of the democratic senatorial campaign committee. senator, thank you for coming on the show this morning. >> good morning, jonathan.

great to join you. >> you've got not one but two senate seats that democrats are hoping to win. how confident are you that reverend rafael warnock and jon ossoff will actually be able to succeed in their quest to take over those seats in the senate? >> jonathan, just look at the numbers already with the presidential. this is the first time a democrat in a presidential race has won georgia, in, what 28 years, so the numbers are there and we have great candidates, they have been working hard and you can see from the existing election that just happened. georgia is expanding, it's diversifying, so many people have been working hard to register democrats and voters in georgia and talk to them about the issues that matter to them. so i feel really good and i think we all do about the opportunity. the numbers are there for us, it's just about a ground game now. we have to be there, we have to talk to our voters, we have to be able to turn them out in this

short time because the election, as you well know, the runoff is january. right now it is about organizing on the ground, making sure people have absentee ballots, when early voting starts in december making sure they turn out in person. that we are talking to them. that the voters are talking -- excuse me, that the candidates are talking to them about the issues that matter. >> you're talking about ground game and making sure people get their absentee ballots and participate in early voting. to me that sounds like turnout. let's take a listen to what stacey abrams, pride of georgia, had to say about her efforts to register voters in georgia. >> what is it about your approach that is so different? >> we started working on this initiative in 2010 after we lost every statewide elective offer for democrats. it wasn't enough to register voters, we had a singular focus on registration and engagement. it's like giving someone the

keys to the car but never teaching them how to drive. we built a ground game that absolutely combined those two pieces. >> so senator cortez masto, stacey abrams was able to register 800,000 new voters. is it possible in a runoff election that you will be successful in turning out those voters again? yes, they turned out and turned georgia blue by having president-elect joe biden win the state, but will they have the enthusiasm and energy to turn out again to send ossoff and warnock to the senate? >> yes, there is no doubt about it. look, first of all, the energy is already there. we are seeing record numbers of people already in the state registering -- or signing up to involvement i mean, i cannot tell you how many people are engaged right now. and, jonathan, think about it this way, there's so much at stake who controls the senate.

these two races are really defining who controls the senate and what's going to happen for this country, who is going to be fighting for individuals for health care, to reduce prescription drug costs, to address a pandemic that is having just an incredible impact on our economy and getting -- and really fighting to make sure we can turn this around. it's the democrats working with a biden administration that are going to do that. that's why this is crucial. that's why jon ossoff and reverend warnock they are out there talking to georgians about those issues and it matters at the end of the day. >> senator, let's say ossoff and warnock are unsuccessful and republicans maintain control of the senate, of chamber, how will anything get done on behalf of the american people, because whatever will come out of the democratically controlled house will go to the senate and it will go and die at a time when the coronavirus pandemic is ravaging the country and people

are out of work as a result of it? >> jonathan, you're absolutely right. listen, i come from the state of nevada, we have the second highest unemployment rate in the country. that's because the pandemic has hit us so hard and that is true across the country. but what i do know after being in the senate for three years now, it is a legislative graveyard with mitch mcconnell in control. i don't understand how he doesn't address the needs of all americans across this country right now. his focus is not on that. his focus is on his own political gain and keeping power and that's why it is so important for georgians to turn out to support jon ossoff and reverend warnock because if we are able to move them and put them in the senate, which we have the ability to do, then we have a democratic-controlled senate that can move forward and solve the problems that so many americans are dealing with right now. >> senator, last question for you. if warnock and ossoff are not successful in winning those

seats and the democrats don't take control of the united states senate, should senate minority leader chuck schumer remain leader of the caucus? >> well, we've already voted and he is leader of the caucus. it is not an issue about us coming together as a caucus and working hard on behalf of this country because we have been unified and we have been fighting. it really is one man that's in control of the senate right now and that is mitch mcconnell and you just said t it's a legislative graveyard, nothing is happening. he is not even working in a bipartisan way. people don't realize there's bipartisan bills out of committees that i work on, that i work on with my colleagues across the aisle. they're going nowhere. they're sitting on the floor of the senate. that's outrageous to me when so many americans are struggling right now and they want a senate that is going to work for them not against them. >> nevada senator catherine cortez masto, thank you very much for coming on the show today. >> thank you, jonathan. coming up, chicago mayor lori lightfoot's city is being

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thanksgiving will look different this year. it just has to. >> if turns don't take a turn, we will quickly reach a point when some form of a mandatory stay-at-home order is all that will be left. with every fiber of my being, i do not want us to get there. but right now, that seems like where we are heading. >> you know what is really uncomfortable and annoying, when you die. >> welcome back to a.m. joy. i'm jonathan capehart. with 66 days to go until president-elect's inauguration, one thing is clear. he is inheriting a raging pandemic, coronavirus records are being shattered in the nation day after day with 49 states classified as hot spots and not one state he seeing a decline. ten days after the country broke records with 100,000 coronavirus cases per day, this morning its 7 day average is around 163,000

cases and 1300 deaths. the lack of national coordination from the current white hou occupant has left state and local governments to largely depends for themselves. new mexico and oregon plan to shut down businesses for two points. governors in illinois, maryland and washington state are weighing tougher restrictions as cases spike ahead of thanksgiving. even north dakota, whose governor previously opposed a mask mandate has issued one statewide. and after a spike in covid-19 cases in chicago, a stay-at-home advisory is set to take effect in the city tomorrow. and joining me now is the mayor of chicago, lori lightfoot. mayor lightfoot, thank you very much for coming on a.m. joy today. >> it is my pleasure. m . >> so what moved you to take this drastic action for your

city? >> to be blunt, our projections show that if we do not significantly change the course of this pandemic in our city in the next seven weeks, we stand to loconservatively another 1,0 which ians chicago began ans to death. and so we are at a critical inflection point, we have to do more to save lives and to make sure that our health care system doesn't face the kind of crisis that we feared back in the spring. just from early october, our cases ha cases have bloomed. three times of number in hospitalizations. all the figures that we've been following and know well since the start of the pandemic are really trending in exactly the wrong direction. so it was important for us to act anddecisively.

>> and in the spring you bram a bit of a meme telling people to stay home. your jump shot isn't that great in other things. do you believe that the people of chicago are taking the pandemic seriously this next go round? >> look, i think that covid fatigue is absolutely real. this pandemic has up ended everyone's life. people are scared, tired, frustrated an angry. and i think that it is more challenging now than ever to try to get people to comply. but we have to dig down deeper. and that is why a second component of our stay-at-home advisory is a massive street activation. we are going deep into zip codes and census tract on a door to door basis, we'll be running it like a political campaign to make connection with folks in those neighborhoods where we see

the percent positivity at 25% or higher. that is a reality in chicago. there are a lot of myths and fear in black and brown chicago about government, about the health care system and we have to bust through those myths to save people's lives. >> and i'm wondering, as the mayor of a major american city, as the mayor of chicago, do you feel abandoned by the federal government as a result of its inaction, as a result of there the not being a national plan to get a only that on the coronavirus pandemic? >> well, from the earliest days of this pandemic i knew that the federal government was not going to be helpful. the cdc has been helpful, but the white house, hhs, dhs, they have not ever had a plan. and i knew that we were on our own. i knew that from the earliest days when they were diverting flights from china to airports across the country, chicago being one of them.

but what is worse and what makes i think life on the ground in cities and states much more challenging is to have a has do everything he can to minimize the seriousness of this virus. just mask wearing alone, politicizing something that we know is one of the few tools that we have outside of a virus that works and having to fight against that ignorance that is being spewed by him, the vice president, people in the inner circle of the white house, everyone as they are getting sick with the virus, it is mind blowing. but it has done real damage across the country and the mayors and governors are now having to clean up the mess and to try to get people into compliance and convince them that what we are doing is really trying to save lives. >> and stay with us, mayor, because joining me now is lori garrett from foreign policy magazine, and also dr. margaret

hamburg, foreign secretary for the national academy of medicine, and dr. gandhi, internal medicine specialist, and danny meyer, founder and ceo of union square hospitality group. thank you everyone for being on the show. dr. gandhi, let me start with you because you are coming to us from austin, texas. another state that is dealing with a ballooning coronavirus pandemic. what are you seeing from where you are? >> yeah, we're definitely seeing it front and center here. i mean, folks know that i work at a nonprofit health center here in east austin. and what i'm most worried about, we're seeing an increase in patients and when i'm talking to my patients, many are afraid to even get the coronavirus test because they are afternoon trade if they are positive that they will get fired. so we lead the country in the number of uninsured.

so that is compounding the pandemic. >> you know, lori garrett, just listening to mayor lightfoot and dr. gandhi and the stats that i talked about at the start of this segment, it is mind gsh blowing and heartbreaking that the united states is in the position that it is in without a national strategy and without a president of the united states right now who is focused to getting a handle on it. lori, from your vantage point, do you think that the incoming biden administration will be able to rainn oig orein in the e things just too far began? >> i think that we have to have a lot of faith in this very, very smart group of people that as been assembled as the biden task force and we do have tool

kit, we have ways to do better. but the problem is that we have two months before that occurs. and in those two months, we have a government that is just not, you know -- has totally checked out. it is just not paying attention to the epidemic. it just keeps claiming that they are making plans for how government should act in february, march and april when they won't be in power. and is refusing to do the normal dignified hand shake across the administrations at the very least to let the biden people inside the cdc, inside the fda. you have the great dr. peggy hamburg who used to run the fda and i'm sure she can tell you how horrible it is to try to imagine steering this giant aircraft carrier institution that you are trying to park in a parking place fit for a volkswagen. and you can't get any handshake from across the aisle to tell

you here is how we've been running the fda, here is what is in the cooker, how is how we plan to approve vaccines, et cetera. when you take the fda, cdc, go acro across the entire government, this is the situation we're in. two horrible months ahead with exknow th expo then shanen exknow th expo then shanetial increases. we'll about at 300,000 deaths quite horribly by december 1 if not sooner. we could very well hit christmas with 400,000 cumulative american deaths. this is out of control. >> dr. hamburg, since your name was in-stroked and you are the former fda commissioner, i'd love for you to react to what lori just said. but also if you could, weave in there your reaction to and what the impact is of the announcement of pfizer and their vaccine trials and how successful they have been. >> well, thank you.

you know, as you noted, this is a heartbreaking tragic situation. and i'm of a phrase that what is happening right now can make things worse. these next week and months will be absolutely crew shalg ucial to contain the virus. the numbers are going in the wrong direction and we're facing a very dark winter. the news about the vaccine is very, very encouraging. frankly, the level of responsibpossible protection by the pfizer vaccine is higher than we all expected. but it is going to take time to complete the studies and to get the vaccine out to the people who need it first to the priority groups at most risk and then to a broader population. and in the meantime, we cannot let down our guard as we seek to

protect health, limit infections and prevent our health care systems from being overburdened. and the messages now that have to be sent about maintaining, strengthening and extending those public health measures, wearing masks, avoiding large gatherings, social distancing, proper ventilation if you are inside, all of those measures have to be continued, states and localities will need as mayor lightfoot was talking about to strengthen the public health precautions and protections during this period to limit spread. and we have to recognize that we cannot have a patchwork approach to this. we have to have a systemic approach that looks at the data and implements appropriate public health actions. and not being able to have a smooth transition will undermine our critical pin healublic heal

agencies and the implementation of proper distribution systems for vaccines if and when they become available. and it is certainly going to continue to worsen the fact that we are not getting clear and consistent communication from our leaders about what is happening and what needs to be done. >> mayor lightfoot, could i get your reaction to the pfizer vaccine trials and how hopeful are you that vaccine could be made available and made available to the nation, but also made available to people in your city? >>the pfizer announcement is in-credit basebable news. but i want to temper expectations. as the doctor knows, there is a

rank order in which these vaccines will be distributed. obviously frontline hospital workers who are truly treating patients that are at risk are going to be the ones that receive the first rounds of goeses. realistically i think for the rest of us lower down on the priority scale, that means probably late first quarter or into the second quarter of next year. but obviously it is good news. but in between now and then, we can't take our foot off the gas. we have got to continue driving home the public health messaging and using the tools that we do have save lives. masks, social distancing, limiting crowd sizes. so it is great news but on the horizon. it won't be a savior for people in our city on a mass scale, i think for probably 5 to 6 more months. and that is assuming the first doses come out this december which i think is very aggressive

and optimistic. >> and one of the impacts of this virus obviously, the impact on public health is massive and incredible. but the other impact is the impact of the virus on the economy, particularly your business, restaurants. please tell the audience the impact that the coronavirus pandemic has had on the economy from your perspective and in particular how you are addressing the public health concerns that the pandemic poses. >> good morning. i think thatpresented with a fa choice good people and prosperity. and i'm proud of the independent restaurants before 670,000 of them have done everything that

they have been asked every step of the way. we closed down, no revenue whatsoever. we did what our local governments asked us to do, we did what our state governments asked us to do. we of course didn't get any direction in federal government whatsoever. and as a result, we've tried every entrepreneurial thing possible. serving food to go.safely on si or in new york, 25% capacity indoors with no bar service whatsoever. we have -- we've been piloting a program with a company called clear who has a program called help pass so that each one of our employees is screened before they come to work. they have been completely safe. we have qr codes that deliver contact tracing that anyone who dines in our restaurant. we've been doing everything we've been asked to do. but let me make a quick analogy

if i can. 670,000 independent restaurants in this country, how many filling stations? 500,000 less. so there are 500,000 more restaurants in this country. can you imagine if service san diegos were asked to close and they didn't get any federal relief whatsoever? we have a plan on the floor that passed congress that 49 senators already approved. and uninformationally, the politicians in washington, d.c. are putting politics over policy and people. and it needs to be passed right now. >> and speaking of putting politics over people, i'llbly in joel heitkamp from kfgo radio in north dakota. joel, great to see you. can you tell our audience what is going on in north dakota when it comes to the pandemic?

>> well, the governor finally put in a face mask mandate, actually put some bite into it. he held his press conference at 10:00 at night because he wanted to miss the news cycle. but that is not here or there. he finally put the mandate in place. a little bit of bite to it, $1,000 fine to $1500 fine. but we've got a bunch of sheriffs here that told the governor to bite me. they are not going to enforce it. they said that they are not going to enforce it. >> joel, i'm sorry to interrupt you, can you say that again, the governor put in a mask mandate with bite or with teeth in it and are sheriffs saying in north dakota? >> well, they said pooit mbite . they said no, they won't enforce it. they told their people just use common sense as they have before. and the sheriffs won't enforce

it. and so here we sit. you know, we're at a place where the governor finally did something and the sheriffs are sending out a message to people not verbally, but they are doing it through social media that they won't enforce what the governor put down as a mandate. >> lori garrett, your reaction to sheriffs in north dakota where the pandemic is exploding as it is exploding all over the done. >> we see the tension all over the country. a lot of -- police don't want the responsibility of enforcing epidemic rules. and it puts them at personal risk especially if they are not wearing their masks. we haven't really got consistent policies across the country, so it is easy for fights and squabbles between individual mayors and individual police departments to turn into real messes even in new york when our police department had a very

high toll, many police officers succumbed to covid-19 in the spring. and what i would say is that if there is one thing the biden administration can do that can make an enormous difference on inauguration day,s to put the soo cdc back into the driver's seat, recommence the daily briefing that is used to come out of the cdc for every other prior epidemic, reinstitute the speci special ops center and providing daily advice to police departments and mayors and governors so that we have consistent policy and that police departments all over the nation begin to see this is our job. our role in a pandemic. and versus here is the health department's role, here is the hospital's role, here is the insurance company's role. right nowutter chaos and

a patchwork of response depending on local personalities who hates and doesn't hate the mayor, who hates and doesn't hate the sheriff. this is not a way to stop a pandemic. >> real talk as always. lori, thank you very much. mayor lightfoot, thank you. doctors, danny, joel, thank you all very much. coming up, representatives adam schiff ailhan omar are her to discuss the future of the democratic party and stop more. e ♪ greetings mortal! your journey requires liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. liberty power! wow. that will save me lots of money. you're insured!

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donald trump on saturday took a ride through the so-called million maga march, a

ral live h rally of his supporters who like him refuse to accept the results of the election. and joining me now is someone familiar, congressman adam schiff, he led trump's impeachment less than a year ago. chairman schiff, thank you for being on the show. >> good to be with you. >> let me -- can i have your reaction to the fact that the president of the united states still to this day despite the tweets from this morning refuses to con seed tcede the election recognize that joe biden is indeed the president-elect of the united states? >> well, we've had the same emotions that i thought go hand in hand with the trump administration. and that is you are shocked on the one hand, but not surprised at all on the other. this is what the president has been telegraphing for the weeks leading up to the election that elgd not accept the results if he lost, he did lose, he hasn't accepted it.

and of course the consequences are grave. we're in the middle of a pandemic that is killing measures measure americans at a rate of over 1,000 a day and the numbers are going up and up. this is a time where you would want the most seamless of transitions where the incoming team is up to speed and involved in the decisions being made about how to vol outroll out a , make sure that we have the gear we need in the hospitals that are under siege right now. but none of that appears to be going on because the president clings to this desperate believe of the big lie about the election. it couldn't be a worse time for it. >> and you talk brt koabout thek about the consequences are grave.

i'm thinking that we have seen over history that it is always early in a new president's term when there is a national security calamity. where he saw it in president clinton's first term with the bombs of the world trade center here in new york. we saw it in the first term of president george w. bush when we had 9/11. and we have seen it happen many times. north korea conducting bomb testing. how concerned are you that in the obama -- the first term of the obama administration there will be a national security crisis that cannot be seen right now because he has no visibility into what is going on because he is being denied intelligence briefings? >> well, it is a real problem. and you have to understand that there will be something that will happen early in the biden

administration to test this new team. i would fully expect for example that we might see again from north korea some belligerent act to catch the new administration's attention to declare itself in whatever way kim jung-un decides that he wants to declare himself. and if the incoming president is fully briefed on that and knows what to expect, then they can have a plan in preparation. but thorn thmore than that, in p administration, there is potentially trying to put a box around the new president in places like afghanistan or iraq. the decisions that they can't fully implement in terms of for example troop withdrawal but nonetheless in the case of afghanistan may embolden the taliban, may reduce the leverage that the new president has in negotiations with the taliban. now, why would that be in our interests? it is not. but the president thinks that either this is a way to sabotage the new administration or to

prepare for another campaign four years from now, but this is not how a transition is supposed to work and certainly not in the best interests of the country. >> and i misspoke, i said obama, i meant president-elect biden and you corrected me there. also one of the reasons why it is speculated that mark esper was fired as defense department chief is because of what you were talking about withdrawing troops from afghanistan which is something that president-elect trump wants to do. [ sic ] >> i think august tll the membe congress want to serve whatever they can be of help to the country. so i appreciate the question. and there are a grate people that the president-ele great people that the president-elect will have to choose from and i don't envy the task. >> one more question. so leave aside the administration, there is going

to be an open senate seat now that senator kamala harris is vice president-elect. there is a senate seat open. would you be open to joining the senate? >> well, similarly you would being hard pressed to find a house member who wouldn't be interested in being in the senate. governor newsom will have a difficult decision on his hands. there is a great list of people for him to consider and i'm confident that he will make an excellent choice. >> all right, adam schiff, thank you very much. >> my pleasure. and donald trump's opponent was joe biden. that might seem obvious unless you were at trump's rust belt rallies where his favorite target was not biden but congresswoman ilhan omar of minnesota whom he repeatedly attacked in ways that we won't replay on air. joining me right now is ilhan omar.

thank you very much for being on the show. >> great to be with you. how are you? >> great, thanks. i interviewed you before the election on this air. this is my first time talking to you after the election. let me just get your wraekreacto having to say the words president-elect joe biden. >> it feels good. for so many of us who were tired of this president, to have the opportunity to send him off and have him be replaced, it is just such an exciting moment. and, you know, i think that the first day that it was announced, i was just overjoyed, i think so many of us feel light, so many of us feel joyous. so many of us feel hopeful. and for me personally, i am just delighted to not have to live another day explaining to my

children why the president of the united states hates their mother and everything she represents. >> that being said, yesterday a week after people were literally dancing in the streets in washington, but cities around the country, you had the million maga march yesterday in washington. people believes that the election was rigged and the elect -- the presidency was taken from president trump. what do you make of the fact that more than 70 million people, one, voted for president's re-election which is 8 million more, around there, than he got in 2016, what do you make of that, what does that say about where we are as a country right no? >> i mean, it is an election. so when you have two people running against each other, they both have their base, they both have support, they make their case to the american people.

and obviously there will be, you know, divisions and people get to decide. but we know that there has been a decisive division made in electing biden and we're all just excited about what is to come. there is a great task ahead of us, we are dealing with a pandemic, we obviously have a country that is divided. there is social and economic despair that is being felt by so many americans. and, you know, i'm just really looking forward to the opportunities that this new administration will afford all of us. >> congresswoman omar, one of the great tasks also ahead of the country and certainly ahead of the democratic party is the rift it seems to be within the party between the so-called moderates and the so-called progressi progressives. i was reading a profile of congresswoman slotkin and there

was a quote that she had talking about the contentious phone calling after the election where shall she is quoted saying that you represent your district, don't tell me how to represent mine when you come from new york or california. obviously you are from minnesota. but is the rift within the democratic party one that will hobble the party as it goes forward with a democratic president in the white house? >> i mean, i share her sentiment and i would say the same thing. i think that it is just ludicrous to expect, you know, people who represent the city of minneapolis like myself or new york should have their messages be dictated by people who don't represent our constituents. and when you think about our party, speaker pelosi always says we are a big tent and that means that we are a big family, we all have our own constituencies that we have to search.

we have pa -- serve. we have part of a caucus working on behalf of the people. we think of ourselves as the party of the people. and again like i said, there are economic and social despair being felt by so many americans. there was a movement that happened this summer and it delivered this victory, the rise of the amount of people that registered to vote. we owe to the movement to make sure that the chaos that they voted against does not follow us to our caucus. and to make sure that the justice that they seek is implemented in the policies that we advocate for. i know that biden invited the american people to be a unifying force against darkness. and as a caucus, we have to be unified against that, to think about allowing ourselves 20 get the republicans to decide how we

are to function as a caucus is really painful because this is, you know, a party that has lied, that has smeared, that has used everything that they can to attack us and a party that has been against the social and economic justice we have all been fighting for. it is a party that has allowed for chaos to reign for foyer years. so the american people have decided to put us in charge.ur years. so the american people have decided to put us in charge. and we can't disappoint them. >> congresswoman omar, thank you for being on the show and i'll see you tomorrow on "washington post" live at 11:30. thank you very much for being on t the show. >> looking forward to it. to it ♪ it's still warm. ♪

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is the president conceding this election? >> no, far from it. what he is saying is more i guess -- you'd call it sarcastic or a comment on the terrible times in which we live and in which the media has said that he won. but by going on to point out that it was illegal obviously, he is contesting it vigorously in the courts. the media has tried to call the election. >> for the record the associated president first called the presidential race in 1848 and

every departing president since 1801 has taken part in a peaceful transfer of power. this morning the president seemingly conceded by saying biden one and then said no, he wasn't conceding. the new chief staff made it clear what the new administration thinks of the current president's tweets. >> i accepted as a further confirmation of the reality that joe biden won the election and not through any of the rest of that tweet, not through fraud or anything else that the president is baselessly alleging, he won because he got more votes. donald trump's twitter feed doesn't make joe biden presenidt or not president. the american people did that.

>> and thank you for staying with us. rudy giuliani -- let me start but, he uses the same oh, he is just joking. seriously? >> how many times have trump advisers and confidants had to backtrack what they are saying because of something that the president himself just completely voids? this is par for the course. it is because donald trump is not operating in reality right now. no one knows what his next move will be because it is not sane, it is not rooted in logic and reason. and the tweet frankly showed a little bit of acceptance that donald trump might not be completely crazy and might actually understand that he hasn't won the election and is

looking for a face-saving move to be able to say i was cheated, i would have won. and get his participation trophy and hopefully move along with it come january 20th. >> isn't it ridiculous that we as a nation as grown ups are talking when finding, you know, face-saving measures for a grown man? i won't say what i almost said. but trying to find face-saving measures for a grown man to get him to own up to reality and leave office in. >> you know, i guess his reality doesn't really because in this case, it won't be up to the squatter to determine when he i white house on january 20th. and the american people have faced up to that. by the time we finish, probably 80 million people will have voted for joe biden in this

election. but the million person, mail i don't know million has gone aga couple thousand people won't make a difference. >> so you have the thousands on the nation's skcapitol to say tt they support the president and they believe that the election was rigged. is there any anyone inside the white house in the president's inner circle who can break through to him and say not only what you are doing is a tragedy, but is also destabilizing the country and also democracy? >> no. >> i was going to say, do they

even care. but go on. >> no, i mean we have seen this from president trump throughout his entire presidency. no matter what type of folks he puts around himself, whether they are qualified to be in those positions or not, he puts them there because they are perceived loyalists at times or he thinks that he can gain something personally out of it. but he listens to himself at the end of the day. he thinks that he is his own best spokesperson and that he knows what is best and we see him doing that when he go out in these rallies before the reaction and couldn't say on message, whether it was attacking joe biden which he wouldn't do because he was attacking other folks like o ileana ilhan omar. we know that president trump listens to himself and look, in the 11th hour of his presidency, he is flying and fighting for some sort of legitimacy on his way out and he is going to

double down and we've seen him do that no matter what some say privately. >> and i had talked to secretary johnson about this, and this dhs report that came out, the november 3 election was the most secure in american history and then no evidence that there was no way that the system was compromised. and the person in charge expects to be fired as a result of the truth-telling report. any indication from the white house that he is in-teas deed o way out? >> we have reported at ox yoaxi before the election that president trump planned to fire a number of high level folks.

and others some have done exactly that. i would expect that president trump would continue to move forward on settling these scores by the way we have seen from him in the lanlgs coupst couple day. >> and i asked oman about the rift within the caucus between the moderates in the party and the progressives. and you were a member of congress. you are in the party. and how damaging is that kind of fight, not only to the caucus, or for the caucus, but also for the incoming administration where they will need a unified front not only in the house but also in the senate to try to get anything done? >> well, look, first of all, i think that -- i remember living through 2010 and the rifts that resulted as a result of that election and losing the house between progressives of and

centrists. and what i say is that i think that behind president-elect bipartisan'sed a j ed a jeagend be a unified party. democrats in the house will be responsible for beginning to shepherd joe biden's agenda through the house. there is large scale agreements from progressives to centrists around climate change and trump campaign and covid relief. and there are shared values in the party. and i expect that on the agenda, progressives and centrists will be on the same page. i know it looks messy from the out sir outside, but it does work from the interests in terms of building the best progressive policy for the american people. >> and i talked to a member of congress when the stories came out about the telephone call and that person said to me, that type of phone call, that type of

hot phone call, always happens after everyone election. at what point do republicans jump ship and turn their backs on president trump? is it as understand at the top of the show all those hours ago that the focus right now is on georgia and that is why no one is jumping ship? >> georgia is an immediate near term goal for republicans who want to maintain control of the senate. but you looking into the future beyond that date in early january, you are going to have plenty of republicans on who will still see donald trump as the power broker of a the republican party. he has fully taken over the party. i controlled the rnc, and

continues his grip. and so if you want to be an tis pay the donald trump leaving, perhaps his influence will be diminished among some purchases, but i won't bet on that for a second because if there is anything that donald trump loves, it is the spotlight. and he will do all he can to stay square in the middle of it. >> like a moth to a flame. thank you very much for coming on the show today. and up next, trump 2024. but first, let's listen to what senator bernie sanders has to say about donald trump's legacy. >> trump will have the distinction of doing more than any person in the history of this country in undermining american democracy. the idea that he continues to tell his supporters that the only reason he may have lost this election is because fraud

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. in four years, he will be the sage age joe biden is now, donald is a very unhealthy person. he has a terrible diet, he doesn't exercise and he has psychological disorders that continue to go untreated, so i don't even imagine that he will be able to run in four years. plus the fact of course that he may be looking at serious

charges being brought against him. despite his niece skemt civ he says that he could rerun into 24. but trump has lost the popular vote twice. so is a 2024 race really in the cards for him? back with me elesiysise jordan also stewart, you first, 2024, is this serious. >> or is this more of the grift? >> quell, i thiwell, i think be donald trump is a bad bet. that is what we said in 2015. so i think that trump is all

about himself controlling the republican party. the idea that he would into go out there and run is a way to freeze other candidates. so i would assume that he is running until he's not. >> elyse, do you have that same mindset? >> i agree. if anything, donald trump would want to obstruct other republicans that he feels are not sufficiently supportive, so he has the element of revenge and his vendetta. but also the fundraising apparatus he wants to control so that as you say he can continue the grift. and even if donald trump wants to tease and toy with a run, he can still fund raze aifundraise face-saving division as his niece says that he proenhe prob won't run. but i think that until he is not

running, we should consider him the leading contender. >> so who are the people who really want to run, who are thinking of running? i think of nikki haley and the folks who ran last time like marco rubio. who else? stewart. >> i think cotton from arkansas will run. i think josh holly will run. what is really striking here, and i don't think that beef talk talktal we've talked about it enough after the loss in 2012 with romney, there was a sense that the party needed to eevaluate. but i didn't son't see that at . there is no urgency and i think that that is a terrible dangerous sign because the party

is out of touch. and until it changes that, it won't really have a big future as a national party. so all of these party running, they are all competing to be mini mes of donald trump. and so they are completely di n disi disin-aga disi disin- -- disingenuous and phone phony. >> and so who else do you see as someone who is waiting in the wings to run for president? >> well, let's speak of anyone who has been shameless and particularly disgusting in their anti-democratic comments lately. i would say binge o, there is me pompeo. >> how could i forget him. >> it is just cinchlsimply incr

for the nation's leading diplomat, someone whose words are used by any every other government in the world to look at and evaluate policy is refusing to concede the elect that was a free and fair election. you also have ted cruz, never underestimate his desire for power. and you look at all the cheap imitators, and again, they don't have the authenticity of dufrd and they are fighting the last political battle and they are not forecasting what will come to the future. so no one is going to be able to combat donald trump at his own game. and one more person i forgot, governor ron desantis, that mastermind of managing covid within florida, a yale and harvard graduate who seemingly doesn't believe in science. so you've got quite a cast of

contenders who are trying to be donald trump and come off actually even worse than donald trump who at least is authentic in his mania and his craziness. >> and you said something a moment ago about how the republican party particularly under president trump has lost touch with the american people. and yet i go back to just the a of votes president trump got, still losing the election, but in 2016, he got 62.9 million votes. and in 2020, he got $73 million. yeah, 73.1 million votes. that is 11 million more votes than he got the last time. is it true to say that the republican party is not in line with the american people even though he lost the popular vote again? >> i think that it is certainly not in line with where the

country is going. i think that he appeals to suburban housewives, for instance, just completely doan defini tone keflezighcan he hav deaf. i look at the state flag, they finally took down it, very moving moment for a lot of us and donald trump ended up in a fight that same week with nascar because they banned the c confederate flag. so when you are in a pat with nascar over a cultural war, i don't think that there is a big future for that. those who are 15 years and under, majority of americans are noncompliance. and any party that tries to reject that is simply not going to have a future. >> so is it 2024 or 2028 when the republican party is free of donald trump? real quick.

>> i don't think that the republican party will ever be free of donald trump. probably within my lifetime. i think that this is a sad, sad direction that the party has chosen to go down and i don't know how you come out from under the racism that donald trump has brand this had paed this party . >> thank you both for coming on the show. and that is our show for today. thank you so much for watching. up next, alex witt has the latest. water? why?! ahhhh! incoming! ahhhahh! i'm saved! water tastes like, water. so we fixed it. mio.

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welcome. it is just about high noon in the east and the president's twitter flourishes and telling a confused tale. we begin with an be admission of sorts. president trump today seemingly acknowledging his loss for the first time with two words in a tweet, he won. the president then backtracked writing in the another tweet in all caps, i congress seed nothing. buy's chief of staff reacting. >> i look at it that he is conceding. biden won bae the inecause he i

more votes.into the more votes. donald trump's twitter feed doesn't make joe biden president or not president. the american people did that. >> and this comes on the heels of clashes overnight in the nation's capital. you are seeing it there, trump supporters and counter proerts sp spars over the election results. 20 arrested. on capitol hill, the call for trump to concede is growing. >> trump will have the distinction of doing more than any person in the history of this country in undermining american democracy. the idea that he continues to tell sis hes supporters that the only reason he lost is because of fraud is a disgrateful unamerican thing to do.