more votes.into the more votes. donald trump's twitter feed doesn't make joe biden president or not president. the american people did that. >> and this comes on the heels of clashes overnight in the nation's capital. you are seeing it there, trump supporters and counter proerts sp spars over the election results. 20 arrested. on capitol hill, the call for trump to concede is growing. >> trump will have the distinction of doing more than any person in the history of this country in undermining american democracy. the idea that he continues to tell sis hes supporters that the only reason he lost is because of fraud is a disgrateful unamerican thing to do.

>> and as coronavirus cases surge, a dire warning from a member of president-elect biden's task force who says that now is the time to act. >> my worst fear is what we saw happening in other countries where people were dying on the streets. people literally were dying in the waiting room of emergency rooms after waiting ten hours just waiting to be seen. that will start happening rngts the media will start reporting it and we'll see the breadth of thisrngts the media will start reporting it and we'll see the breadth of th the media will start reporting it and we'll see the breadth of this tragedy. i think that it is the health care system's breaking that will unfortunately bring us to a sense of reality. >> and those are the headlines. and these are the people to help us dig into the developments. we begin with josh lederman. still no formal concession, but there is a bit of a crack in the president's denial. >> that's right, mixed messages

from president trump as he was golfing and issuing tweets that have raised a lot of eyebrows. first seeming to acknowledge joe biden's victory with a tweet that described joe biden as having won, but suggesting that that was only because no vote watchers or observers were allowed and the president saying that the election was rigged. and as you can imagine, social media immediately exploded with folks wondering if this was a sign that the president was going to be putting down his fight to try to contest this election. and sure enough, the president cleaning it up only a few minutes later with a new tweet saying that joe biden only won in the eyes of a fake news media. the president saying that i concede nothing, again calling it a rigged elect. an official told carcara lee th

doesn't believe that he won't win. but then we heard from rudy giuliani who was tapped to lead to the legal team as it continues its fight to contest this election. take a listen to what rudy giuliani had to say about whether the president was really conceding. >> no, no, no, far from it. what he is saying is more i guess -- you'd call it sarcastic or a comment on the terrible times in which we live and in which the media has said that he won. but by going on to point that it was illegal, obviously he was contesting it vehicle usrously . >> and he went on to make completely baseless claims about a software, about fraud in this election. but the key factor here is the fact that the president's legal team has yet to be able to put out any evidence backing up these baseless claims that they have been making, that is the kind of evidence that they will need in a court if they were to make any head way here.

>> and i want to note that this time yesterday when we were speaking, we could hear the background noise, the chants, the demonstrators below you. how about today, what is the scene like? >> it is calmer after so many came out in support of president trump. we know that there were at least 20 arrests during the evening that one person was transported to the hospital with stab wounds and at least seven guns were collected. but today, a much calmer scene on the ground here as the president is off at his golf course. >> josh, thank you. and president-elect joe biden was seen this morning at st. joseph's. but his surrogates were out prettying the case for health

briefings and saying that the distribution about of a potential vaccine at risk. alley alley say it wihave i tal joining us. so tell us about their argument. >> reporter: they say they won and now they would like to begin building their government. of course that would be true regardless as we stand here in a blustery wilmington, but definitely true for this transition team that really wants to start immediately getting a handle on this pandemic. ron klain the white house chief of stand among those surrogates out on the airwaves pressing the need for this transition to begin having access to information and of course officials within agencies of the government so that they can be read into stop this virus and at least contain it on day one. one of the things that he reminded is tloults tremind

throughout the kamala harris campaign, joe biden said that he would call dr. fauci but he can't do that yet. fauci agreeing that that is not helpful at all. here is what ron clklain said. >> our experts need to talk to those people as soon as possible so that nothing drops, the bigger issue will be the mechanics of manufacture and distribution getting this vaccine out. and that really lies with folks at the health and human services department, we need to be talking to them as quickly as possible. you know, it is great to have a vaccine, but vaccines don't save lives. but vaccinations save lives. so that means that you have to get is it into people's arms all over the country.

it is a googiant project. >> reporter: and so that is potentially on the horizon for early next year. and there is also the question of containment. a lot of americans who listen to joe biden on the campaign trail regularly promising that he would tackle the pandemic, they might now be asking thechmselve how. and containment is also part of the equation. they are trying to put out enter guidance on mask wearing and social distancing that americans have not seen mere errirrored fs current administration. and others were clear wiabout t role of a potential lockdown, he doesn't think that that would be effective saying instead of using a blunt ax, they need to use it like a scalpel.

>> okay. well, if anyone just starts wearing their masks, that is something an individual can do. thank you so much, allege ali v. >> and joining me now, our democratic and republican strategists. good to see you. this is becoming a very happy and wonderful tradition now. so susan, let's start with you. we have president trump seeming to come to the realization that he lost the election. yet still falsely claiminging that it is rigged. what do you make of this? he says that he is not conceding. do you think that this is what a donald trump concession begins to look like? >> well, the president trump knows that he has lost, but the longer he stays out there saying that he refuses to concede, the longer he gets to raise money for the election fund. so that is what this is about.

this is just donald trump doing what he likes to do best. take advantage of his supporters and others. and raise money for himself. so that is what he is doing. the minute he concedes, guess what? he can't send out all those emails and say help raise money for the georgia recount. >> yeah, interesting. i have spoken with some supporters who have been getting those calls and they don't understand why they have continued getting it. that said, dump' trump's refusa concede is getting bill belichick to get the briefings. and that listen to what dr. fauci said just this morning. >> as you know, i've been through multiple transitions now having served six presidents for 36 years and it is very clear that that transition process that we go through, that time, a period of measured and several week to say months is really important in a smooth handing over of the information as well

as almost like passing the baton in a race. you don't want to stop pnd and then give it to somebody, you want to just keep going. and that is what transition is. so certainly would make things more smoothly. >> and then look, we are in the midst of a coronavirus surge. only expected to get worse. what do you make of that? >> well, the failure to pass over the baton in the transition process would be abhor rently irresponsibility and it is actually malpractice. they need to start thinking about mass manufacture and mass distribute this vaccine. that is not happening. there are secret service protections that joe biden is not getting because the gsa cannot release transitional funds. that is not happening. so there are real ramifications. you could even make the afrgt

that this country was more septemb succesceptible to 9/11 because were close to the transition. and a transition lasts almost 18 months into a new presidency. so leaving -- losing this period, even this six, eight weeks is crucial and it just shows that donald trump has never cared about anything other than himself. he does not care about norms of democracy, he does not care about the health and safety of the american people. and we can see very real ramifications of that in his failure to be dignified and have a real transition period. >> and david, what do you make of the number of republicans in congress who have been ignoring biden's victory. how long can they continue to ignore it, any political advantage for them to get oil in front of the president officially conceding or are do they benefit by just lagging behind him and blindly following?

>> he would this -- they would be remembered more fondly. and in today's highly divided political world, they need trump's voters and all politicians usually answer to their own enlightened self interests. so if they see a benefit in catering to trump voter, they will continue to do so. but your conversation with susan about what does a concession look like, this plays in to republican be may have because the big question for donald trump is how does he contextualize his concession around 2024. does he try to keep command around the republican party is. if so, there will be a tough couple years navigating trumpism. or does he just claire vehicdec say he was the best ever. that is what republicans are waiting on.

how does donald trump conte contextualize his concession. >> do you think that donald trump really looks at 2024 as somewhere he puts himself out there to try to put himself back in the oval office or a king maker with that kind offed afed adulation? >> this is where reason meets ego. i think that we know with donald trump, ego wins. but alex, if donald trump announces or intends to play in 20 thi 2024, i would say welcome to a viable third party political movement. because either the democrats will expand their coalition or you will see a third party emerge if donald trump trying to keep control through 2024. which is why i think leading republicans, the marco rubios of the world, theesantis will begin to use language like

passing the torch or changing of the guard.kki haley. they do it jebtslgently, but thw this they have to get out from under donald trump. >> do you see republicans breaking away from donald trump and getting back to a more normal state of republican affairs? >> i g . >> i agree with david, i don't think that they will as long as they are worried about their political future. but marco rubio is the acting chairman of the senate intelligence committee. and he noticknows better. and he still stands behind donald trump instead of insisting that joe biden getting the proper briefings and the money to allow for a secure transition of power. and this is where republicans --

you know what, i'm almost happy th that donald trump believes he may be a candidate for 2024 because it blocks out the sycophants. >> and can i ask about the report in the "new york times" where it said that biden asked to give them a chance. it writes that biden promised not only to win but restore the soul of the nation. but the deep divisions show no sign of receding. we saw more of that yesterday, right? so is unity even possible? >> i think on certain issues it will be. once georgia is put behind us january 5th, i think that you will see more republicans, more open to working with the vice president elect chespecially on infrastructure and certainly

coronavirus, rather, coronavirus recovery plans. sorry about that. but don't forget, it is only a narrow margin. so there is susan collins, mitt romney, and lisa murkowski that he can sway over and they have gone over to the democrat being bei side before. >> and are there any equivalencies and second should democrats bother to even try for some understanding? >> well, democrats are naturally the party of the big ten. so there is no universe in which democrats can operate as a functional political organization in which we are not giving republicans a chance. the democrats at large are the same who have both a alexandria ocasio-cortez and joe manchin. so you have to wrank kegle it

together. but i find it difficult to wrestle with the idea of you all didn't give trump a chance. well, you are not supposed to give life to the idea of kids in cages or a muslim ban or gutting so many of the federal institutions who keep our democracy going. these are things that are northern negotiable -- nonnegotiable. and as i will say until the transition happens, that this moment calls from the military to the people in the trump administration right now, to the gsa and folks who work government, folks who know the right thing to to ado and we ha call on them to make the democracy work even when president trump won't. >> the invitation being extend the officially right now.

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ed u. eusa added more than 1 coronavirus cases yesterday. hospitalizations are also at record highs. and dr. anthony fauci saying that he is hopeful for normalcy by about the middle of next year with the help of the vaccine. >> we'll start getting doses of vaccines available for the highest priority individuals sometime in mid to late december. and then as we get into january, we'll get more vaccine doses available. you have on the one hand an effective vaccine, on the other hand a high degree of up take of

the vaccine. we could start getting things back to relative normal as we get into the second and third quarter of the year. >> and washington state hit a record high of new daily cases adding more than 2200 cases saturday. governor inslee is expected to announce new restrictions that include a ban on indoor dining. and new jersey has the highest number since early april and restaurants and bars there must close by 10:00 a.m. and we have reporters in two of the nation's hot spots for you. we'll start with cory. so minnesota has now had its deadliest week of the pandemic. set the scene for us there. >> reporter: yeah, until doubtedly the most difficult time for the state. and this airport is the latest site to open up a new saliva

test facility. and this is a part of the effort to ramp up testing. they recently hit a peak of 60,000 tests a day. and i recently spoke with the department of health about why this is so important to minnesota and how they were able to implement this strategy. listen fortunately without a national strategy on testing, each state has had to develop and compete with each other to brild tests capacity. we recognized early on that we had to diversify and make sure that we had it based here in minnesota. >> reporter: and this has been wildly popular, very busy site where we are right now. and you get the results back in 24 to 48 hours. so the state system is really working very well here and it does come as the cases we're seeing exploding as you mentioned, the deadly week for

coronavirus here and 19,000 active cases just two weeks ago. now up to 46,000 active cases. something that they are really working hard on trying to reduce. >> i can imagine. thank you very much. and illinois governor pritzker is threatening another shutdown. there are more half a million cases across that state. and calipari paerry is in chic. and let's get the reaction to that. >> reporter: it will be interesting to see tomorrow morning how many people actually abide by what is an advisory, not a legally man daddating advisory, but just an advisory. the numbers are frightens on their own, but when you look at the rate at can which they are increasing, that is what really has people scared. just doubling the hospitalization for example in the city of chicago in just a week, a 40% rise for example

week over week in the number of cases. that is why the mayor has this advisory that takes place starting tomorrow morning. she actually appeared on msnbc this morning and she talked about the fatigue in the city have. >> i think that covid fatigue is absolutely league. this pandemic has up ended everyone's life. people are scared, tired, frustrated. and also angry. and i think that it is more challenging now than ever to try to get people to comply. >> reporter: as you mentioned, and i think this is important, the last thing that the state of illinois really has is a mandatory stay-at-home order that the governor can put in place across the state. fatigue aside, you talk to doctors at places like northwestern, and they will tell that you people are drying and y dying and thousands more will

d. and doctor said be careful who every over for thanksgiving, the person may not be around for christmas. >> that is sobering. okay. thank you so much. and joining me, dr. shaw from brown university of the public shelt. welcome back to the broadcast. so the advice is you may have someone at your thanksgiving table who may not be around at christmas. i mean, that is true, right, that can happen? >> alex, thanks for having me on. one of the reasons that i'm not having my elderly parents over is because i want to see them in 2021. thanksgiving will be very, very bad. i think that because a lot of people are getting together. i get yrks are right? we want to see each other, it has been a really hard nine months. the problem right now is it is so incredibly risky. so getting together is dangerous and people will die because of

this. >> i'm right there with you. i'll miss my mom, but i want her to be safe. so let's talk about the co-chair of the traffic conference for j. take a listen. >> in the spring we didn't know a lot about covid. we responded in a senkse with ad on/off switch because we didn't know exactly how this would spreading and where it would spreading. we learned a lot more since then which tells us the better way to think about it is more of a dial that we turn up and down. >> so here is what is interesting. he went on to point out how new york is basing shutdowns on specific hot spots in the last day we've heard a lot here in new york about the prospect of whether or not to close the schools.

do you xwle with that sort of hopscotch approach? >> i do. when i look at successful countries in managing the coronavirus, they have had a national strategy in terms of accordicoordination and supportt is always local. so the two states that i think are doing relatively well right now are new york and california. what is their strategy? they have a ton of testing and all their focus is lot and about shutting things down partly, getting the virus under control and getting them opened black up again. that should be the national strategy that we should be employing. i think too many find themselves in a corner where they have to act more aggressively. >> and what about what you matter from doctor fauci that there should be a vaccine by mid

department? prumtbly a presumably all the frontline workers abtnd everybody else th middle of next year. >> and this is a time line that i'm using as well. i i think that it is a realistic one. i do think that our health care oig workers will start getting vaccinated in december. january, february. and i think the july 4th is the next real independence day, that we will be able to look at the virus and have it under reasonable control. >> doctor, come see me again, i appreciate your insights. why president trump could be a national security risk once he leaves office. but one big catch that could calm any fears. what's new? -well, audrey's expecting... -twins! grandparents!

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house continues to deny intelligence information to joe biden. and here is what david priest told me yesterday. >> he is much less of a security risk whether intentionally because he wants to put something out there or unintentionally because he can't keep straight what it is that he heard from his favorite cable news channel and what it is that he heard from his intelligence reports. it may be a saving grace that he has not cared that much about i have nugget of intelligence that he could get his hands on. >> joining me know, natasha bett bbertrand. take about how maybe this

president for having not been the most let's say he is stitas observer may not reallyertrand. take about how maybe this president for having not been the most let's say he is astute observer may not really be not someone to worry about. >> according to my reporting, the president has in fact been very scatter brained to put it mildly. there was one incident that i reported about a month ago where he was in the middle of a highly classified briefing about afghanistan and in the middle of that briefing, he kind of stopped everything and he ordered milk shakes from his staffed staffed a bedminster. and that beige ledcame legendar. wanting to know what is happening in the world and biggest threats to theist, to

national security, what seemed to be something that would interest most presidents. so the possibility that he hasn't really retained much of the information that he has been given during the briefings. but also the risk according to people inside the intelligence community that because he is so in debt and so angry at the angry at the gust governmenu.s. that he could just blurt something out that he could say something, you know, and reveal something about u.s. national security about our ally, about intelligence perhaps at the national security community has selected to curry favor. and then also just throwing in there the fact that he tends to be pretty careless with the stuff. we've seen that he has told the oval office in 2017 about a

highly classified episode that the israeli helped the u.s. with. he tweeted satellite images of iran which are clearly guarded by the intelligence community. so a combination of him having his fingers that the right now, but also having a short attention span. >> and one of my favorite rec electi re re r recollections is him at mar-a-lago. but we'll move on. and what are they saying what is the worst that can happen and can the biden team catch up? >> the biden team has the advantage of having very experienced people in biden's

inner circle and people who he intends to put into the high level positions. so they won't be totally at a loss like the trump administration was when they entered office. biden has read the presidential daily briefing for eight years as vice president. he kind of knows more or less how all of this works. and kamala harris by virtue of her membership on the senate intelligence committee has a lot of experience dealing with classified information as well. so they will enter the oval office having an understanding of how to read intelligence information, of how to engage with their briefers and they won't be kind of flailing in the wind in that sense. but even with all joe biden's national security and foreign policy experience, he will not have had access to the evolving threats to national security that are include innd in the wb.

and so day one, things like the nuclear treaty with russia, he will not know all of the ins and outs of the negotiations surrounding that nuclear deal on day one. so that could be challenging. things like responding to north korea for example which is known to launch missile tests right before or after a president takes office to test the water, how will he respond to that. so there are certain challenges that on day one if he doesn't have access to this material, it will be a bit difficult. >> and so is that part of what you are referring to when you write that biden may have trouble unearthing trump's national security secrets? >> yeah, the president has been known to rip up documents, transcripts of calls hidden.

will trump administration's team take effort to the hide certain informations from the incoming biden team that they don't want that administration to see. >> natasha, thank you so much for coming on the show. and rudy giuliani claims more than 600,000 votes were illegally cast in pennsylvania and he says that he can prove it. really? it really to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. [grunting noise] i'll take that. woohoo! 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. ensure max protein. with nutrients to support immune health. it's our most dangerous addiction. so we took our worst vice, and turned it into the dna for a better system. we created bionic and put the word out with godaddy. what will you change? make the world you want.

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historic ballot audit is under way as we give you a live picture. i think consu and the senate results will determine which party controls the senate. shaquille brewster is in mariet marietta. how is the hand recount going? >> reporter: we are hearing that it is going much better than expected. we learned from fulton county official that the they are nearly done with their hand recount. fulton county is georgia's largest county home to atlanta. we're hearing reports from other countyi ining saying that they be done by the wednesday deadline. as the melania i'll and you hau that the candidates are out on the campaign trail. last week we saw the republican candidates team up together. and today we'll see the two

democratics. and i'll