do it now from your remote. you won't miss any episodes. we had robert de niro. fat joe. carol king. catch anything you missed. that does it for us. up next the "the reidout" with joy reid. americans are dying. the coronavirus is surging. the country faces one of the most serious crisis in our history, it's time to get serious. occupant of the white house has chosen to obstruct president-elect joe biden's transition at a dangerously lethal moment for the country. it's time for the charade to end. full stop. president-elect biden made that point clearly and forcefully today.

>> what do you see as the biggest threat to your transition given trumps unprecedented attempt to obstruct and delay a smooth transfer of power? >> more people may die. if we don't coordinate. >> mideast right. the united states continues to smash records in the pandemic. we're close to a quarter of a million deaths from the virus. we surpassed 11 million cases just yesterday. instead of making any note of horrific landmark or how it could have been avoided if not for dereliction of duty. he has been tweeting his feelings and conspiracies and lies. he hasn't attended a coronavirus task force meeting in five months. you maybe tuning out the virus to process your emotions over losing the election and becoming

a one term president. listen to your predecessor two term president. about what real presidents do. >> a president is a public servant. they are temporary occupants of the office. by design. and when your time is up, then it is your job to put the country first. and think beyond your own ego and interests and your own disappointment. >> yes, it is time to set aside ego, donald. you had enough time to blow your nose. suck it up and become a big boy. you have more than 60 days in the job. it is a job. people are losing their lyes because of you. in fact, if you don't want the job. you are certain will free to resign. and let mike pence do it until january 20. maybe he'll pardon you.

while the president is pouting, states are imposing new restrictions as upcoming holiday gatherings could contribute to the spread. there was a second breakthrough on the vaccine front today. drug maker said early analysis from phase 3 trials of the vaccine were more than 94% effective. at preventing the illness. a week after pfizer said its vaccine candidate is 90% effective. president-elect biden stated the obvious noting the obstruction of the transition means a delay in the distribution of any vaccine. >> if we have to wait until january 20 to start that planning, it puts us behind a month, month and a half. it's important that it be done at the coordination. now. >> joining me now. columnist nrt "new york times." lincoln project.

and chief strategist or romney's campaign. public health physician and participant in the vaccine trial. thank you for being here. you participated in the vaccine trial. which was a big deal. as an african-american woman i'm sure you understand that black folks are not having a lot of trust in the healthcare system. particularly as it was has been in the hands of donald trump. can you just comment on when you see the president of the united states pouting around and refusing to hand over the keys to somebody who wants the job. to joe biden. or mike pence. or at this point to one of the ushers. anybody who would do the job. and that potentially preventing a vaccine that you participated in a trial for getting out to the public to save lives. what are your thoughts? >> well, the first thing that comes to mind is that that's just immoral.

it's reckless and unethical behavior. i'm a public health physician i took an oath to first do no harm in the president's actions are inflicting harm. any day or moment of delay is a equal to death in and lives lost. the devastation of this pandemic has been catastrophic. and catastrophic for black and brown communities. lost my father to this pandemic. that's what motivated me to volunteer. to be a participant in the vaccine 19 trial. so we need the president, we need his administration to do what every other president has done before him and have a saekless transition. lives are at stake. i can't say that clearer than that. >> we're so sorry for your loss. thank you for sharing that with us. stewart, you worked for somebody who ran for president. and presumably had he defeated president obama in 2012, people

would have been devastated who supported president obama. this was the first black president of the united states. african-americans would have been devastated and president obama would have understood that. he would have turned over the keys and paper work and his administration would have had a peaceful transfer of power to mitt romney. that would have happened. i want to let you listen to the chief of staff. this is ron klain. who will be chief of staff. this is what he was saying about the importance of seamless transition. >> joe biden will become president of the united states in the middle of a crisis. that has to be a seamless transition. we now have the possibility. we need to see if it's approved. of a seen starting in december or january. there are people making plans to implement that vaccine. our experts need to talk to people as soon as possible. so nothing drops in the change of power we'll have january 20. >> stewart, you had donald trump

waxi waxing back and forth whining about the election. and taking credit for vaccines he didn't have anything to do with. he's doing everything but what he should do. he called that traitorous. >> i think there's a direct connection between the party that refused to accept science and refuses to accept reality of the election returns. both are about just not accepting what facts are. i really put this on the republican party. there's never been a moment like this. where a party has gathered together refusing to admit who won a presidential election. this was not a particular close election. it's extraordinary. they won't even have their calms shops put out a statement congratulating the president of the united states. if enough of them did it it

would put pressure on trump and this would be unsustainable. it's really amazing. they are not being asked to charge a beach or defend the alamo. all they have to do is say we know who won the presidency. and they can't summon the basic decency and courage to do that. with the result people are dying. it's amazing. there are children and grandchildren will study this as one of the great moral failures as a party and history. >> it's hard to argue that. if we counted on them to storm beaches. i can't believe we're living in time when an entire republican party has sub orned itself. it's not like he's a grand man. some great success in business or president. this is somebody they themselves have expressed nothing but drigs

for. they all laid down and taken a knee. they can't admit the presidential election happened. but they got reelected. lindsey graham you got reelected we should believe that. but not the presidential election. >> the last four years people have been asking what would it take for the party to stand up to this man. the senior leader of this party to try to put an end to some of the corruption. to put an end to some of the break down and basic democratic. we have seen nothing that he's done has led to any push back from his own party. and even in loss, even when he's about to lose the power that he holds over them. they can't stand up to him and basically affirm the reality in front of all of our faces. there's an article today in the "washington post" about how

lindsey graham has been putting pressure on the secretary of state of georgia to throw out legally cast ballots. that might for donald trumps benefit. it's really astonishing. there's part of it it's like play acting. they'll say he needs to process the loss. and come to terms. this is something that is amazing from the party. we have seen the t-shirts that expletive your feeling. we have been told snow flake and suck it up. suddenly the entire united states the entire machinery of the government at a moment of national crisis has one single purpose. that is protecting the tender feelings of this broken man. as a result we're going wait longer for the vaccine. we're going to wait longer for a solution to the crisis that joe biden was elected to address. >> if we can put you in a room

at a social distance with masks on with mitch mcconnell and lindsey graham or the people who are pretending they don't know what happened. almost two weeks ago. what would you say to nem them? >> math is real. it's undenialable. the voice of the american spoke resoundly. too many of us have suffered at the hands of the administration. i focus on health. the black and brown community has been devastated. the inability for the federal government and elected fishls to just speak the truth, only further deepens and further highlights just how tone deaf and how missing the we are in action. that needs stop. we need to be adults and professional and exercise accountability and ethics. that's all the public is asking. it's not too much to ask.

>> stewart, i worry. i don't know if you do. even after president-elect biden takes office he'll be facing tens of millions of people who will say he's not the president. i don't have to listen to him. and the governor says i don't have to wear masks and i can eat inside and go to church. how do with e get out of the pandemic ever if that is the case. >> it's extraordinary. you look at south dakota. you have a governor for her own political ambition tried to play the role covid doesn't exist. we don't have to wear a mask. and south dakota is one of the most dangerous places in the world. south dakota. it's extraordinary failure of leadership. and it's so toxic to the democratic process. the essence of democracy is accepting someone lost. until you are willing to accept someone loses, you don't have a democracy. the fact that this party is

unwilling to further this basic covenant between people and people who govern them. it's really i think unforgivable. this is we should not forget this. we should not forgive it. >> i agree with you. michelle, here's the thing, it's so tempting in media to say what should the democrats do about it. there's nothing they can do. it's not an either or both side question. there's one party doing this. the other party can't make them not do it. i wonder where that leaves us. >> it leaves us in an extremely bad place. i'm not the first person to say this. we don't have a democratic party and a republican party. we have a democratic party and an antidemocratic party. it's very difficult as you said for the democratic party to hold up or norms and hold up liberal democracy. the one thing democrats could have done and can still do if

they win the two senate races in georgia, is make some changes to the under lying structural conditions that allow republicans to rule with total contempt for the majority of the country. if republicans had to compete for the majority of votes they wouldn't be able to behave like this. that's why some of the democracy reforms the democrats were hoping to push through if they had a are one of the only ways out of this democratic crisis we're in. getting out of the democratic crisis when we have no cooperation from any part of the republican party means that it's only going to happen if democrats win the two senate seats in january. >> yeah. yet another reason that georgia race is everything. it's the difference between whether we can get a vaccine out efficiently. or any stimulus bill to help people losing their homes.

losing apartments. whether anything will happen over four years. it's extraordinary. michelle, stewart, doctor and condolences about your dad. losing your dad. up next, are the states prepared to distribute a covid vaccine. new york governor cuomo joins me on that. and on trumps threat to with hold any vaccine from new york 19 million citizens. plus don't hold your breath. there are life and death consequences if the transition is delayed. pathetic lies about crowd size. back with more of the "the reidout" after this.

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more than 100,000 americans are infected with covid-19 every week. and thousands are dying every day. people are scared.

and parents are worried about what tomorrow or next week will bring for their kids. governors implemented a hodgepodge of measures to fight skyrocketing positive rates. many small businesses are on the brink of collapse. as mcconnell whistles past the graveyard. and trump is unbothered and disinterested. trumps hand picked scott atlas. a radiologist with no experience in epidemiology is attacking governors trying to stop the spread. mimicking trump and saying the only way to stop and people rise up. joining me now new york governor cuomo. thank you for being here. scott atlas who has no experience in diseases. but is trumps favorite doctor because he tells him what he wants to hear. he tweeted that about gretchen

whitmer. trying to slow the spread in her state trying to save people's life lives and already had death threats and kidnap her and put her on trial. what you make of this whole ethic of trump people going after masks, going after governors trying to do the right thing? >> thank you for having me. i was initially shocked and disappointed and dismaid. that was eight months ago. they have been consistent. this was the president himself. liberate michigan. liberate new york. organizing protests against governors who were trying to protect the people in their state. he's been in denial of the situation from day one. he's never been productive. the best thing he did was advocate responsibility and give it to the states. i don't see anything different from the president.

he has been incompetent and lied frankly about covid from day one. >> he's also threatened you. he has a personal issue with you. maybe he's jealous because you knew what you were doing when it came@virus and were honest with the public in new york. he said you won't get the vaccine. not that he can do that. he won't be around. what do you make of the threat to with hold a vaccine from the people of his own state? >> yeah, it's hard to get to the place where you don't take the president of the united states seriously. there's a disconnect. you say president of the united states, you think that it's a serious person. that's not this president. he is personally anointed new york as a state. he bet he was going to win new york and he lost.

new yorkers have been very disappointed with him. we're the home to the media, etc. personally piqued with me because i think frankly i told the american people the truth about covid at a time when he wasn't. and that bothered him. the threat is just that. it's a silly hollow threat. what bothers him is that i'm not going to allow new yorkers to be bullied by him. there is a real problem on this vaccine. it's great that we're developing it. we have an issue the american people don't trust it. they doept trust it because they don't trust him. 50% of the people in the country said the kaiser poll the cnn poll, 50% said they fear the president politicized the fda approval process. several states mine included to try to build confidence of putting together state panels.

ours is head by a noble. we reviewed the process. it's a safe process. please take the vaccine. that's to instill the confidence that the president lost by his politicizing the vaccination process and the fda and cdc. he find that offensive. it also happens to be a fact. we have to build confidence in the vaccine. >> if let's say you were able to do that, you came to the conclusion that the process is flawed or not produced a vaccine that works. how would you actually roll that out to such a large state, a large and diverse population. how would you imflemt that? >> well, our review process and there are about seven states that have a process. that will be simultaneous with the fda approval process. you won't have a state panel

redo tests. you'll have a state panel that reviews the protocol. that the fda used to make sure they went through the right steps. it will be simultaneous. you then have a roll out of the vaccine. that is going to create a lot of issues at this administration hasn't started to think about. the production schedule. is going to be much longer than they have suggested. they have the expectation that january, april and everyone will get a vaccine. you have to get the production schedule way up to make it possible. just to give you an idea of how hard this will be, we have done 120 million covid tests in this nation. since this started. we have to do 330 million vaccinations. that's going to be a long process. the federal government won't fund this states to do this. the cdc estimates that of course $6 billion.

the trump administration hasn't funded anything. the states already have a deficit. and the social equity part of this will be a problem. they want to use private healthcare companies to distribute the vaccine. big drug chains, hospitals, doctors offices. how about the under served communities? how about the black and brown and the poor community? how about the fact that blacks did at twice the rate of whites. hispanics died at one and a half times the rate of whites. because they live in healthcare deserts and had more under lying conditions. how do they get the vaccine? without a massive effort. all of those issues have not been discussed at all. i'm chairman of the national governor association. i have been talking to governors all day long. none of them have been mentioned and that's going to be frankly the good news about the biden

administration coming in. they will have to tackle the issues. >> yeah. i have to ask you as a fellow new yorker. i can remember breaking down and crying at work after 9/11. when the boys choir of harlem went into the stadium and sang we shall over come. i thought of the number of people who died. almost 3,000. mainly in new york. it was hard to take. what do you make of the attitude that so many americans have about a quarter of a million people dead. we're talking about a 9/11 every day. every day. or two or three plane crashes every day. it's as if it doesn't matter to the president of the united states or to his party. >> there is no answer to it. frankly. i have been living with it for eight months. i understand the indignation. i understand the pain about the way he is handling this.

and the narcissism. i have been dealing with that with him for eight months. he hasn't been any help. and when we say he's not helping in the transition. i don't think it's a great loss. i'll tell you the truth. he never contributed much to begin with. joe biden is going to be talking to the governors on thursday. we're arranging a call. the governors are the ones who have been handling this war. and joe biden wants to engage with them right away. that's smart. i don't believe they can handle this vaccine roll out process. they have handled no operation. they didn't handle the covid at the timesing operation. the p.p.p. operation. the defense production act. this federal administration fald at every turn. failed at every turn. lths just move on and let joe biden take the reigns and work with the governors and get it

done. i don't believe trump has the capacity to do it anyway. >> i think there are many people who wish that joe biden could go ahead and get started now. because people are dying right now. i'm not sure we can wait until january 20. thank you for taking time. we appreciate it. >> still ahead. the dangers of a delayed transition from covid planning to intelligence briefings. the transition is getting no help from trump. putting us all at risk. annie, want to say 'hi' to grandma?

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trump is not only refusing to accept the election results making it harder fer joe biden to get the information he needs to successfully govern. his administration is conducting

a purge. of federal employees not deemed loyal to trump. led by a 30 year-old guy. a former campaign volunteer who trump put in charge of personnel for the entire u.s. government. one employee was asked his opinion on pulling troops out of afghanistan. i work at the epa the official said startled. one employee was asked where he gets his news. his answer fox news seemed to meet with his satisfaction. the threaten to destabilize in the fragile period during the hand over to the next administration. i'm joined now by professor of public policy. former secretary of homeland security and former governor of arizona. thank you so much for being here. really appreciate you. let's talk about this. this young man this 30 year-old guy in charge of prn nel for the government. got into trumps good graces

bringing him a sandwich. while there was a meeting taking place. he was a delivery guy. true story. trump was enthralled with him. now he's the head of personnel. doing a purge of the government. how dangerous is this really strange turn over to president-elect biden is going to be for the american people? >> you're right. it is really strange. and at least from the press accounts it looks as if officials are being asked questions almost like a loyalty test. to see whether they can keep their job. and there's real risk to destabilizing the most important agencies of the federal government beginning with the department of defense. and we know what's happened there. also keep leadership has been effectively removed at the department of homeland security. and other agencies throughout the federal system.

and really at this stage when the election is for all intent and purposes over when we have a president and vice president-elect. these kind of personnel moves only make the transition even more fragile. >> the people some of the political appointees are not people held in the greatest esteem. people referred to mr. es per the defense secretary as yes man. the idea whoever is coming after him are people who are worse. i want to talk about the dhs. this is the place that over saw the abduction of little kids from the parents snatching them away and putting them in cages. and to the point where 500 cannot be relocated. they are missing their parents. the muslim ban. bans on refugees. snatching money from defense school building funds and build

a wall. how would you suggest president biden begin to rebuild that department. >> well, i think dhs is concerned you have to start from scratch. it's been so di newted under the trump administration. you have many issues on the immigration side of the department. you have things like cyber security. things like emergency response. things like protection of the nations critical infrastructure. all fall within the department of homeland security. it's a huge department. with a complicated set of missions. i think from a biden transition standpoint they need to go back to the end of obama administration and then take it from there. >> let's talk about to stay on the this homeland security issue.

i want to show you a picture of trump driving through the throngs of a million maga march. it was like 10,000 people. they lied about how many people were there. here they are. there were fights, people with all sorts of signs derogatory about black people. and indian americans. one of caught on fox news. donald trump tweeted that the police in d.c. ought to get going and don't hold back. encouraging them to commit police brutality. that's what he was earn couraging over the weekend. in that atmosphere, joe biden will taek ore a country with lots of those people. and a being problem with mask order. a big problem with restrictions. they call it liberty. they want to be free to cough on everyone and give them covid. you have red state governors resisting just the idea of mask order or common sense things to stop covid. how do you think joe biden can handle that?

>> i think president-elect biden ought to keep doing what he's been doing. he needs to be consistent and persistent. and rely on what the scientists tell him. is the best thing for the protection of the american people. and he'll have the bully pulpit as the president of the united states. that will make a difference. and then for the states where people are still allowed to wear masks, at a certain point you'll begin to see their numbers unfortunately go up. while states that practice good public health their numbers will go down and that will teach us something as well. >> let's talk about a couple of women. a talk that michelle maybe the first woman head of the pentagon. if that happened that would break a barrier. much as you did as department of homeland security.

there's talk of jill biden. still keeping her job. teaching. and remaining on the job as a teacher during the biden administration. what do you make of that and from a security standpoint from her and someone yourself who is in the education field at this point? >> i think it's terrific. she's been a very dedicated teacher her whole professional life. i think she's going to be like many american women. she's going to be a working spouse. and she's going to keep up her profession while her husband keeps up his profession. it sends a terrific signal. and she's an educator. that sends a terrific signal. >> janet, thank you so much. we appreciate you taking time to be here. thank you. >> thanks so much.

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claims trump makes over four years. now he's going out the same way he came in. with his current press secretary also lying about crowd size. tweeting, more than one million marchers showed up for a protrump rally on saturday. again. not true. generous tally closer to 10,000. the thing is the head count doesn't even matter. trump's lies about crowd size have always been about something else. about winning. winning votes, winning add tor dor retaliati adoration. and one upping president obama. saying he won the election. no he didn't. he will not be president at noon on january 20. that day could not come soon enough. his grip on american politics will remain. empowered by supporters and

republicans who continue to cower under a failed strong man. by incoming republican freshmen committed to weaponizing conspiracy theories and denying science. same way they dear leader did. tweeting masks are oppressive. the same week u.s. covid cases krot crossed the 11 million mark. we did it. americans from both parties. turned out to vote in numbers like we haven't seen

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republican party of donald trump continues to refuse to concede the election lets you know about where the party stands. trump still owns the gop. now incoming house freshmen empower and legitimize our republican voters pick up the torch. congresswoman marjorie green is bringing the qanon cult into the

party. and he said he spied on the trump campaign and downplayed the he haefficacy of masks. and madison hawthorne and whose buzz is called the aoc of the gop. a weird lease urally visit to a hitler chateau. joining me now is david corn of mother jones and michael. i feel like we're torturing him. michael steel, what is going on with these people. marjorie taylor green. she tweeted herself out with a police escort in riot gear. antifa streets were war zones. she has a qanon thing. she is holding an image in front of a squad. what the in the hell, michael?

>> oh, i don't know, joy. i've run out of pills to take. yeah, you know, look, this is -- this is -- well, put it this way, this could be the future of this iteration of the republican party. jennifer rubin wrote a very prescient piece in the post which she talks about the reality caucus in the house, in the senate. those members who actually say they give a damn about republicanism and small d democratic norms and freedom and all of that stuff, right? all of the stuff we talked about for a long time. they have three choices. one, give in to the populist nationali nationalism.

find some space to carve out time and effort on major legislation with center left democrats or completely walk away from this, take the public hit, wait for the democrats to screw it up, which, you know, there's a history there, and come back on the other side with a different conversation with the american people. those are really what we're left with because the woman that's standing next to the woman in the outfit or whatever she's supposed to be in, the police riot gear, you need that to go to your car? no one gives a damn who you are. you don't even know -- >> q knows who she is. q knows who she is. i wanted to leave that there. >> that's all that matters. >> david, i mean, the same lady tweeted out, i can't even go to the gym because of the tyranny and then people are tweeting, baby, there's a gym around the corner and there's a gym in your hotel and both of them are open.

i would put forward and i would posit, david, that people like marjorie taylor green, people like dr. -- mr. doctor that used to treat president obama and tommy tuberville, ronnie jackson, tommy tuberville who doesn't know what the voting rights act is, those people are more emblematic of the party than the people like lindsey graham who represents the elite, the donors to the party. they represent the people who want the division but the base of the party is much more representative because people like tommy tuberville and others. >> my heart goes out to my favorite coveted republican, michael steele, for having the courage to be with us. the thing is, the party is still a cult. it's still driven by donald trump. that's not going to change even when he's moved out of the white

house by federal marshalls. he reminds me of a mob boss who says to the party, you know, you work for me. you still work for me. even if i'm going to jail, you're still working for me because the base is following him. so all those great scenarios that our friend jennifer rubin came up with, this gigantic analogy which is donald trump who entered the white house because of his racist birthism conspiracy and is leaving the white house with a host of conspiracies about the election being stolen from him still will have this base, whatever portion of the committee votes for him, involved and they will be voting for the marjorie greens, the ronnie jacksons, the elizabeth qanon. they believe this. they'll believe anything that you say about biden and the conspiracy theories, impeachment

crusades of fox news, breitbart and everybody else that's going to start, rudy giuliani won't let go of. so this party is still in the grips of a frenzy. trump saying he may still run in 2024, that freezes everything. ted, markham, nikki, josh, you name them. they cannot make a move because they're still being held hostage by trump and the base. >> well, isn't that true, michael? the lesson of 2020 is that people like lindsey graham got re-elected, people who were complete suck ups got back in and cory gardner tried to stay out of the way. you've got now lindsey graham being alleged to apply pressure to other republicans, secretary of state in georgia, to overturn the election. now they're fighting.

he's denying it. no one can keep their soul at this point. all the souls are sold to trump. >> yeah. that's the way to put it, all the souls are sold in that sense. look, that's -- that's where we are as a national party, and that's where we are as a state and a local party. we're going to have to plow through this and to dave's point, to the extent that trump remains an ever present figure, in whatever form that is, as a potential candidate for 2024 or just a grand poopah for the tier of all republicans, you're going to have to deal with that. 2020 also says something else. keep in mind, there aren't enough republicans to make up 72 million americans who voted for donald trump. so there's something else that's also beneath the surface here that we have to take a look at in terms of what gives animated life to a lot of what we're

seeing now and why is that being reinforced not just by republicans but by other americans as well? and i think that's going to be a bigger discussion for the country as a whole. one of the real early challenges for president-elect biden is trying to carve out that conversation with the american people such that he's not, you know, speaking into a loud, shattering sound. >> what do you think that we should -- go back on that, too. what do you think he should do? go ahead, david? >> i think there's a problem with having that conversation at large. if you look at a large part of the trump base, they're off the charts in terms of whackiness. they believe trump's lies. they don't believe covid is a problem. there is a story coming out today from a nurse saying people are dieing, the hospital's covid, and saying they don't believe it, something else is going on. >> yeah. >> because they drunk the

koolaid. i don't know how you can talk to those people. i do believe biden has to find a way to nip around the edges of whatever the trump coalition is. policy, health care, whatever. >> david koryn, michael steele, i can't keep talking, we're going to be in another person's show. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in". >> if republicans don't challenge and change the u.s. election system, they'll never be another republican president-elected again. >> election interference from senator lindsey graham. why the republican secretary of state of georgia says the senator is calling him about tossing out legal ballots. we'll talk to the reporter who broke the story. then -- >> doctor, could you clarify your comments asking people to ri