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the other four federal judges approved in the last 30 hours of senate work, they are aging 38, 45, 39, 40. all appointed for life, all with the power to reshape american law and life for the next half century or more, all of it because elections have consequences. that is our wednesday evening broadcast. we thank you very much for being here with us. on behalf of all of my colleagues on the networks of nbc news, good night. n the netw nbc news, good night rachel is quarantining after a close contact tested positive for covid-19, but she will be back soon. real soon. fun fact, she is going to join us live from quarantine later this hour. we are going to talk live with
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stacey abrams shortly. we start on a damp and windy day in oxford, england in 1954 when a 25-year-old med student attempted to do something no human being ever had done before. >> oxford, running for three days against the university, roger banister limbers up for a planned attack on a four-minute mile, never achieved by a man. >> in may of 1954 roger banister was the first person on earth to run a mile in under four minutes flat. he ran his four laps around the track in 3:59.4. track experts who follow this sort of thing said had it not been for the wind he would have shaved another second off of the time. roger banister made headlines all over the world because nobody thought it possible for a
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human being to run so fast. the "new york times" called it one of man's unattainable goals, the sub four minute mile. roger banister did it. he said i felt pretty tired at the end but i knew i would just about make it. we may not all be athletes. running a mile would probably take me to double digits. for those of us that have made it this far in the trump presidency and those of us that had to endure an election night that turned into election weeks. instead of four laps it has been four years. but unlike roger banister we have yet to cross the finish line because this president will not let the election end. today the president initiated another last ditch effort to overturn the legitimate results of the election by calling for a recount in the state of
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wisconsin. it is well within his right. the race was super tight there. joe biden appeared have won the state by less than 1%. to fully canvas the ballots would cost about $8 million. if you are the president and you have been blabbering for weeks about how the election has been a sham and that there is rampant voter fraud you would think $8 million would be a price worth paying, that you were correct and the rightful winner of wisconsin, right? well, if we know anything about this president it is that he likes a good deal. the recount in wisconsin, funded by the president's campaign will not be a full recount but a partial recount of just two counties. those two counties happen to be the most populous counties in the state and swung heavily for joe biden and also happen to be the most racially diverse areas of wisconsin. that is a carbon copy of what we
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saw in michigan. the republicans in wayne county, in michigan's largest, bluest, most diverse county tried to hold hostage to delay joe biden's official victory in michigan. because that is how trump and his allies and legal goons are trying to overturn the election. they are saying there is widespread voter fraud but watch what they do and not what they say. because they are not worried about widespread anything. their strategy is targeted to diminish and discount and disenfranchise non-white democratic voters to try to chip away at joe biden's lead. flipping the results of the election. that is exactly what president trump's top lawyer, rudy giuliani was arguing in federal court yesterday. for the first time in 28 years, rudy giuliani entered a federal
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courtroom as a practicing attorney yesterday to represent the president in the legal battle of pennsylvania. let me tell you it did not go well. the best description of this situation is that it is a nationwide widespread voter fraud. the trump campaign is arguing widespread fraud is happening just in philadelphia and pittsburgh, the two bluest parts of the state. get rid of those and the rest of the state looks peachy keen to us. part of the evidence includes a picture of a woman looking through binoculars. rudy giuliani said she was a republican ballot observer forced to stand so far away from the ballots that she had to stand so far away. he said he understands it was taken in philadelphia. if you are feeling like the
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argument doesn't make much sense it is because it doesn't. i am not a lawyer but after yesterday's performance i not convinced rudy giuliani is either. this is a snippet of rudy giuliani's performance in court yesterday. giuliani, in the plaintiff's counties they were denied the opportunity to have an unobinstructed observation and ensure o pasty. i am not quite sure what it means. probably means you can see, right. the judge responds it means you can't. opacity means you can't see. joe biden will be inaugurated the 46th president of the united states on january 20th. because of trump's continued nonsense we will have to keep our tired legs running just a little bit longer. this race to the finish line is not quite over. we have one more lap to run, especially because all of the votes to decide the presidency have been cast, the same can't be said for the united states senate. there are two senate races outstanding in georgia.
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those races take place on january 5th and they will decide which party controls the senate next term. joe biden of course won the state of georgia this year. georgia turned out the most diverse electorate in recent history. african-american turn out was up 20% and hispanic turn out up 72%. that is a big reason joe biden is the first democrat to win georgia since 1992. so now that georgia electoral votes are officially out of the grabp, the president and his republican allies are ripping a page out of the playbook they have been running in wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan. with the control of the senate hanging in the balance republicans are laser-focused on blue, mostly black diverse voting pockets of georgia finding new ways of disenfranchising democratic voters in the newly turned southern states.
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keep your guard up and keep your eyes open. closing out this chapter of history will be remembered as one of man's hither too unattainable goals. channel roger banister. he was tired at the end. but he knew that he would just about make it. i want to bring someone into the conversation that will help democrats in the final leg of the race to bring them over the finish line. stacey abrams ran for governor in georgia in 2018 if not for a coordinated republican effort to suppress democratic votes, she would be governor today. but the grassroots work she did during and after the campaign cemented the right to vote for everyone in georgia to stop what happened to her from ever happening again. it is this woman's work credited for helping joe biden win the state of georgia this year. joining me now, stacey abrams. the founder of fair fight
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action. miss abrhams, good to see you and welcome to the show. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about the strategy heading into the two run-offs. there is nothing to celebrate in georgia. we have the presidential election behind us. a certification and an audit issue. there are two serious senate races that are going to happen on january 5th. what is the strategy? >> first, we have to celebrate what we accomplished in november. we have to remind voters they can start with absentee ballots. we can win it again in january. we have to remind voters what the senate does and why it is so critical that they represent the state of georgia and help to determine the future of the country. we know the strategy is to educate voters about the two candidates and to raise the level of resources that we need
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to reach pockets of the state of georgia that don't believe in their power to be heard. we need to do the work of making sure that we protect the right to vote. we are watching the two sitting senators doing their best to create disinformation and disenfranchise voters and are able to attack their own people to create the obfuscation about who will be able to win. >> your strategy couldn't be further away from what the republicans have done. your organization registered as many as 800,000 voters in the last two years. data from the "washington post" shows only 2% of georgia's voting population is not registered to vote. most of where you will be able to make gains are with people already registered but maybe didn't vote. your whole thing is about
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getting people that otherwise might not be voting to vote. >> 800,000 is an effort across the state. this is worth it and not only happened over the last two years but a ten-year effort to register hundreds of thousands of people of color in the state of georgia. now there are new people eligible to register. folks that are turning 18. whoever is in the 2% that needs to be talked to. we will do the work of reminding people about why the senate matters. we spend billions of dollars explaining the importance of the presidency. we have to do the deep work of explaining the utility and the effectiveness of the u.s. senate. not everyone knows mitch mcconnell is the reason they
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have not received unemployment benefits and that he is the block against the resources and the support that we need to survive covid. we have to do the work. we have to do the work of explaining david purdue has done nothing to serve the people of georgia. that means -- >> i didn't mean to interrupt you. >> i was saying we have to go back to the people that voted in november and remind them they have one more thing they have to do and to put on their christmas list. we need them to cast those votes between thanksgiving and christmas we have won the election and watch new year's come in knowing a new life is ahead for all of us. >> we were watching this closely on election night.
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the biggest gains joe biden made compared to hillary clinton in 2016 was the northwest top left part of the state, the atlanta suburbs netting 200,000 more votes than hillary clinton did there. atlanta, fulton county. dekalb county. another six or eight counties are really full of voters. that is where it looks like there are gains to be had for the senate race. do you agree with that? >> absolutely. we can increase our gains there. we can't ignore rural georgia where we have pockets of democrats, african-american rural voters who are left out of the process and efforts of candidates. john and rafeal are traveling around and doing the work necessary to increase our number in metro atlanta but to include those voters being affected most
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acutely by covid-19. if we work the entire state we have the ability to put together the math to win the election. >> one of the interesting things, we understand the rural urban spread. when republicans talk about suburban voters it is a synonym for white, moderate voters. >> absolutely inaccurate. we know in this election cycle asian american voters increased participation by 91% from 2016. latino participation increased 72%, black participation 20%. 57% of georgia's population is in the metro atlanta region. all populations represented in the suburbs. we have a large rural population that is black and latino.
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they can support the work they are doing to make sure the work gets heard at the ballot box in the election. >> the daily beast is talking and saying that allies close to you are saying that you plan to run for governor again in 2022. is that right? >> no. i made no decisions about my future other than that it includes making sure that we have the next two senators for the great state of georgia. >> you have been on opposite sides of lawsuits over voting rights issues. interesting situation in the last few days, pushing back from pressure from the trump campaign, lindsey graham and other republicans to assist in an effort to undermine the results in georgia. the trump campaign has been pressuring him before the election. i am curious about your take on
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this as someone up against him what, do you make of how it is playing out? >> i think there were marked improvements made but there is room to do. where brad does a good job, i celebrate it. he reopened the portal allowing voters to get their absentee ballot without filling out a piece of paper. we know voter suppression, while mitigated dramatically in georgia, it still exists. i want him to focus on the job of running free and fair elections. when he is doing the job i will celebrate it. when he is not doing the job we will challenge him. >> are you feeling right now he is doing the job? >> absolutely.
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look, we have the right as americans to lit gaigate and challenge. we know it was a free and fair election in georgia and that brad rasenberger ran on changes we were able to compel and that made it easier for voters to cast their ballots. donald trump is entitled to his opinion. as i did in 2018 i acknowledged the election. i challenged the system that allowed voters to be disenfranchised. time for voters to acknowledge the legal efficiency of the system says he is no longer evident. he is going to continue to fight but he is going to lose.
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>> you are one of the most watched and important people in georgia politics making you one of the most watched and important people in american politics. thank you for joining us this evening. >> thank you for having me. >> and a reminder that the rachel maddow will be joining us later in the show. now with united states gone home for thanksgiving early with no sign of any form of a covid relief package. they will not be back until the week of november 30th. they spent the last day before the break doing the important work of confirming a 33-year-old lawyer who only ever handled two cases and who the american bar association rated not qualified to a lifetime appointment as a federal judge. not like there are more pressing
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>> united states has long been at the top of the charts when it comes to coronavirus deaths and we crossed another threshold. as of today more than 250,000 people have died of coronavirus cases in this country. this is not a specific problem, cases are now rising in all 50 states. what follows a surge in cases is a surge in hospitalizations and deaths. but there is a glimmer of hope. pfizer announced todays it coronavirus vaccine, the one that people were excited about is now considered 95% effective with no serious side-effects and the company plans emergency use authorization in days.
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when the vaccines are available we will need a way to distribute and administer them. that requires cooperation between the federal and state governments. the trump administration has been stone walling the biden administration, withholding crucial information from the biden team. during a vital roundtable with frontline workers today, president-elect joe biden drilled down on the ramifications of a transition of vaccine distribution. >> there are a whole lot of things that we do not have available to us. unless it is made available soon we are going to be behind by weeks and months. relating to the biggest problem that we have with two drug companies coming along and finding 95% efficiency in the vaccines which is enormous
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promise. i want to tell you that is the only slow down right now that we have. >> biden shared the concerns with a panel. in turn they explained their needs and frustrations with the federal virus response. >> i think so much of the problem is that there is no federal plan and no leadership and it is really hurting us. our health department here in cleveland really is barebones and still barebones. our contact tracers are working 24/7. they are about four days from contacting a positive case. >> we need to have optimal ppe for all staff to prevent airborne and droplet
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transmission. do you know i have not been tested yet, and i have been on the front lines in the icu since february. >> that was the president-elect off camera incredulously trying to verify what he just heard. sadly none of the frontline workers were kidding. they are still sounding the alarm about the lack of testing and contact tracing, all are basic containment measures. testing and contact tracing are key ingredients from slowing the virus. in some places virus is so bad contact tracing is next to impossible. places like north dakota which has the highest covid mortality
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rate in the world. one contact tracer in north dakota wrote. she said things got so bad so fast we surrendered one of the key weapons against the pandemic. at this point the government has given up on following the virus' path through the state. she is as what began as a 15-hour a week position is now an around the clock job. my phone buzzes constantly reporting symptoms and asking questions. legally i can't give medical advice. mostly i try to listen. some people just want to talk to
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someone so they do not feel so alone. listening to a person's worries is the least that i can do and the most that i can do to help, which is awful to think about. joining me now, a north dakota contact tracer and senior nursing student at the university of north dakota. thank you for what you do. there are people like you, thousands across america. we don't know unless the phone rings. my phone does ring. they are just trying to gather basic information from me that is put into a system that will give us a map and tell us and give us advance notice. and to give authorities a sense of where the virus is going. >> yeah. it wasn't so much we ended up giving up.
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we couldn't keep up with it. three people to like 50 people in one place. it was more important to contact the cases that were positive and spreading than it was to contact every single contact at that point. talk to me about what good contact tracing looks like. how is it supposed to go down? >> yeah. what we had done originally, we would be assigned cases, demographic information, health and medical history. you would move on to more of where you have worked and where you have been and been around and putting all of that into the system. now that is not something we can do. >> and if you were able to do
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what you originally designed, the way it was originally designed how effective is that. you can figure out everywhere this person has been and with whom they have been in contact and then try to find the other people? >> yeah. the whole thing is to -- i would get a list of everyone that you have been around and i would contact them individually saying you have been exposed to covid-19 and you need to isolate for 14 days and they would be inputted into the system and be monitored themselves as well. >> talk to me about how it goes. obviously each one of the calls is different. you don't have to divulge anything. how do they respond to you? >> yeah. it is usually kind of like it was said in the article. people are resigned about it.
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usually starts with have you been aware of your test results and you get your date of birth it is scary. we give need to isolate letters so they can provide it to their employers and i usually leave my personal contact information in case they ever need anything. >> you still run into people that do not take it seriously? >> yeah. sadly we are. there are still a good amount. there were a lot of a hoax. it is not happening in north
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dakota. that is not true. thankfully now it has toned down and people are more serious about it but we are still seeing huge numbers of cases and hospitalizations. yeah. it is going downhill. >> you have one of the most important jobs in america. i didn't know what it was all about. we heard these terms. we were told contact tracing will be the most important thing. history will smile upon you and the thousands of others across america who are doing this important work. thank you for your work. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> well, you are likely to recognize the next guest from her own show. rachel will join us live from her quarantine after the break. her quarantine after the break we're related to them? we're portuguese? i thought we were hungarian.
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in a town where disagreement is par for the course, today there was one thing almost all of washington could agree on. namely the government's top cyber security official chris krebs did a great job protecting
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our democracy and didn't deserve to be fired. chris krebs was dismissed last night via presidential tweet after pushing back on trump's claims of election fraud and after his agency refused white house requests to edit or remove informational, accurate content pushing back against trump's false election claims. his security agency, cisa, last week called the november 3rd election last week the most secure in american history democrats reacted to krebs firing with outrage. >> it is the president's
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prerogative. i am sure i am not the only one that would like a return to a little more of a -- well, i don't even know what is normal anymore. >> chris krebs is earning an enhanced reputation for a job well done. the lack of normalcy is likely to continue for the remaining weeks to go in this administration. we all need a way to get through it. joining us now is someone that needs no introduction. rachel, so great to see you here. how are you? >> i am great, ali. let me say how thankful i am for you for stepping in on zero notice and doing this at length.
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you have been fantastic. my staff loves working with you. i have been watching every night. i am grateful to you for making it possible. i am fine. i have continued to test negative through this whole thing. hopefully i will be back tonight or tomorrow. i am grateful to you and i am fine and i will be back in something that looks like your chair really soon. we are glad from that.
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i want to ask you about the topic that we were talking about, chris krebs. a man responsible for trying to keep cyber interference out of the election. he told people last week he thought he would be fired. last night he was fired by tweet for doing his job. the president directly contradicted him saying the election was not safe. votes were changed. votes cast for trump became biden votes and now chris krebs is no longer there. what do you make of it? >> a couple of things. in terms of krebss himself, it is worth reflecting on the fact that i don't know there is anybody else that served at a high level in the trump administration that has come out not just with an enhanced reputation for doing a job very well and taking something that was very, very difficult that others had a very hard time with it and nails it and does it
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well. leaving without having compromised himself and without having bit his tongue and compromised himself in any way that was trying to either stave off himself being fired or trying not to rock the boat or trying to go along to get along. so many good people have fallen prey to. i think chris krebs is being lauded justifiably by people on all sides and all levels of government for doing a really good job. he really, in some ways stands alone in terms of having done well and done right and not having bent himself to the vagaries of the president. part of the reason we talked
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about krebs being fired last week is when a divisional chief got fired. what happened is that the agency has been decapitated. cisa does not just work on election security. they are responsible for protecting vaccine researchers from what appears to be a robust effort to interfere with and steal vaccine data by actors like north korea, iran and russia. we reported on hospitals being hit with ransomware attacks. also in terms of the election. i mean there are votes being counted. there are recounts happening. certification tallies happening.
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people have warned that this is one of the times when we are quite vulnerable as somebody might try to confuse and upset us and to muddy the results of the election now as it is being finalized and finally tabulated. so, to have cisa which krebs ran so well. not just to have him ousted but the whole upper echelons of the agency taken out is very dangerous. i am uncomfortable for what the implications are for national security. >> rachel, one of the reasons i would like you back. i would like to hear your narration of the legal clown car that is driving around the united states stopping in michigan last night with the board of canvassers in wayne
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county. rudy giuliani walking into a croom in philadelphia not understanding the law well. i think you had a good conversation with stacey abrams about this in the hour. one thing we can see is what you were talking about with her. the republican secretary of state who has been involved in voting rights advocates in georgia and is emerging here as sort of a normal republican and not a trump republican.
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he is not willing to go along with the insanity of the claims. i do, this is accelerating in some ways. finding themselves affronted by the president and what his legal team are trying to do in a way that gives us a peek at a post trump party as we move forward. and also i will admit -- >> rachel, good to see you. >> unsettled by that wayne
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county thing. >> yeah. it was unsettling three hours. we started the show with the lieutenant governor. at that point the votes were not svechnikoved and then we got news they voted again. after all of the election and democracy this is how it can be stopped? that is worrisome. you come back when you are ready to do so if it is tomorrow or friday. >> we are so lucky to have you my friend. >> thank you. more news ahead. stay with us. thank you more news ahead. stay with us >>it's shiori.
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barak obama's historic election night victory paved the way for what used to be a normal, smooth and orderly transition. the very next day obama unveiled his transition website in which he took questions from the general public. the most popular of the more than 70,000 questions that poured in was whether he would appoint a special prosecutor to investigate cia torture and illegal surveillance by the bush administration. despite pressure from lawmakers that wanted criminal inquiries, the new president-elect, nine days before he was due to be swore in made it clear it was time to turn the page. >> i don't believe anybody is above the law. i also have a belief we need to
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move forward. >> we have not made final decisions but my instinct is to focus on how we can make sure that moving forward we are doing the right thing. my orientation will be to move forward. >> 12 years later president-elect joe biden is facing the same questions that he and obama faced following their election victory. this time the questions of criminality relate to not the previous administration but to the president himself. president trump faces a criminal investigation and a civil investigation from new york's attorney general. as the latest "new york times" magazine cover notes no ex president has been indicted before but no ex president left with so much criminal liability. the desire to move on will only
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grow stronger in the months and the weeks ahead. while many cited the need for trump to be held accountable, biden himself is not so inclined telling advisors he doesn't want his presidency consumed by investigations of his predecessor. one advisor told nbc biden made it clear he just wants to move on. joining us now is a former senior member of the special counsel robert mueller's team. his inside account is called where law ends. there was a lot of political pressure not to impreach the
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president and to get on with the work of the people. there is an obligation to do something that the president has done. there is an obligation. not a preference. is there an obligation to pursue donald trump from when he was in office and in power? >> we are going to be as of january 20, 2021 in a situation where we are no longer talking about indicting the president but rather a former president, somebody that is a civilian. the question will be does the rule of law apply to that person. it is hard to see an argument that the president has committed tens of millions of tax or bank fraud or both.
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just because he becomes president he shouldn't have a day in court where a jury decides whether or not he committed those crimes prior to be president. if you are not going to hold a president accountable, there is no reason to actually have a special counsel in the future. the precedent that you are setting in the future is don't bother appointing a special counsel because there will not be any accountability to a president that obstructs that investigation. >> is that an animal over the right shoulder? >> that is my english cocker spaniel making himself very
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comfortable. >> i want you to evaluate this statement. putting him on trial would be putting on trial more than 72 million americans that validated his election. >> i think that is looking at it the wrong way. remember, a jury will need to make the decision, and will have to find proof beyond a reasonable doubt. in the same way that any other defendant is entitled to all of the due process rights that we have in this country. donald trump would enjoy all of the same rights in the same way that paul man fort went to trial and they made a decision, regardless of politics whether someone is a democrat or a
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republican, just on the facts and the law. and donald trump would face the same kind of jury making that determination. >> andrew, good to see you as always. we should make it a law people with animals should have them in their shots. it makes the whole thing that much more enjoyable. a former senior member of robert mueller's team. we will be right back. f robert mueller's team we will be right back. st stuff . you have to wash on cold, because it saves energy. the secret is, tide pods work no matter how you wash. so, everyone is right. it's got to be tide. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day
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