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election. the "the reidout" starts now. i am a man more than sinning. it will be easy to imagine the words out of the mouth of our own mad king. donald trump. as he stalks the halls of a white house in rage of tantrum over losing lt election in a landslide. muttering to himself about treason and screaming allegations of fraud. those are not words of trump. shah is william shakespeare. trump mad king is far more insidious. he remains hold up in the white house like an dictators refusing to concede. and go away. dissolve into unreality while the republican party remains
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silent. at this point it's hard to argue with lifelong republicans like stewart stevens who are calling it sedition. the 80 million americans have tone something that for all of trump 74 years no one has ever done. they told him no. now, to extra kate ourselves from the nightmare and begin undoing the damage he caused and the mass death he unleashed and beat back the coronavirus, we just need one republican, just one. to also tell him no. they won't do it. they just join him. in abedding his refusal to admit defeat and watch as he inflicts that madness upon us. upon the american people. threatening to take the country down with him. he's not attending coronavirus task force meetings, he's brushing off the quarter million americans who are dead on his watch. instead tweeting insane conspiracy theories.
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so egregious. chris krebs the man he fired for speaking truth about election security. had to clarity election sefshsers were not seized into europe by the u.s. army. trump is surrounded by lunatics. and sycophants. like rudy giuliani. who tried to make the claim today. at a so called news conference with hair dye running down his cheeks. in a presentation that went from ter terrifying to ridiculous. to absurd. full of fraud. without evidence. bizarre stew of buzz words and fear about a global conspiracy against trump. >> antifa. >> the clinton foundation. >> fake news headlines. >> did you watch my cousin vinny? the lady who saw and he says to her how many fingers do i have
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up? >> never mind the fact one of the sycophants he's relying onto make the claim. called him an idiot in 206. and claimed his supporters don't care about facts or logic. it's not funny actually. it's horrifying. the fact that they are now floating conspiracy theories at a national level. because this man cannot handle losing an election. and the assault on democracy is getting worse. trump has summoned two michigan republican lawmakers to the white house in another joust to try and over turn the election that he lost. meanwhile the "washington post" reports that the goal is just to delay a final count. long enough to cast doubt on biden's decisive victory. adding giuliani told trump and associates his ambition is to pressure gop lawmakers and officials across the political map to stall the vote
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certification. in effort to have republican lawmakers pick electors and disrupt the electoral college. another administration official told the news the those close to the president and the president understand that the legal challenges are futile. the ap notes the goal is what we have known all along. to just sow chaos. some republicans dropped the charade. five republican governors participated in an event with president-elect biden. who summed up the pathetic nature of the refusal to concede. >> incredibly irresponsible. incredibly damaging message about democracy. a horrible message about us as a country. >> i'm joined now by staff wryer for the new yorker and journalism professor. and sewn yor editor at the
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atlantic and former speech writer. thank you for being here. i'll start with you, david, your tweet thread sparked this segment. the divorce of the republican party not just sfr democracy but reality at the behest of this man is breathtaking. you wrote about that this morning. before i let you expound upon that for those who didn't read it. listen to one of trumps lawyers. who was on lieu dobs show this evening and talked about what the goal of all this is. >> let's start out right now with the president's path to victory. as you and the legal team see it. if you could give us just that canvas quickly. >> yes, the entire election frankly in all the swing states should be over turned.
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and the legislature should make sure that the electors are selected for trump. >> david? >> yeah. these ideas are so pathetic and sinister. you cannot disassociate one from the another. first this is something my reported on a month ago as a plot that's been going under way. many of people in the republican party of pennsylvania and michigan denied such plot. that seems to be the trump plan. it involves breaking the law. every state has rules governing electo electors. pennsylvania is ground zero. the law dates back to 1937. they cannot after the election revisit the law. in way that's giving this too much credence. alongside the alarming and
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serious. the attempt to inscribe a question mark over the massive victory and say many fellow citizens believe the story and antifa and the venezuelaens and therefore to be on the safe side let's not have the doubtful president have judges or a cabinet. all those should be put into postponement for four years until there's a republican president again. >> exactly. essentially what they're saying is that any president-elected through a majority decision by non-white people is by definition invalid president. they did it with obama and now biden. they are saying because of where biden won, he is not allowed to be president and they can then hold his presidency if four
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years. this crazy conspiracy theory was called chris krebs the most dangerous one hour and 45 minutes of in tv history. hiding the ballots in germany. that's how far it's gone. >> this is really -- i think that from the beginning, when trump came down that stairwell. and began the speech. and we saw the people began to respond to it. affirmatively. the word we tried to avoid using in polite establishment circles was danger. this is all profoundly dangerous. discrediting joe biden, this is birtherism. this is the next incarnation of
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birtherism. the belief that was if obama was not a citizen, you didn't have to give him afford him any of the respect or the honors of the deference you normally afford to a president. you can say things like you're a liar. in the middle of an address to congress. we saw how that played out. this is essentially the same. i think there are different motivations. the strategic motivation is more ascribed to the republican elected officials. trump is not thinking strategically. he wants to over turn the election and stay in the white house. for vanity and legal exposure. that is the dynamic we're seeing here. it becomes part of the fraying. last thing has a historian, these situations can be really explosive. when we saw in 1824 an election
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questions about the validity of votes cast and how they turned out and it destroyed a political party. in 1860 that destroyed the country itself. nearly. we won't see ends that are that extreme, but we're playing with dangerous things. >> we will see something -- >> ruther fraud. >> i'm sorry, did i interrupt? >> i beg your pardon. >> i was going to say -- go first. >> just to about the precedence. we're not going to have the spectacular events of 19th century. we have a political system between the federal and state level. the project here is to take minority rule at the state level
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and engineer it. to claim veto power at the fall level. in many ways one of the most important results of the 2020 election maybe not whaptd in the senate or presidency. what didn't happen at the state legislature. you have a situation in pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin. where a majority of the vote translapts into minority of the states. in the state and congress. and majority and minorties rul . to understand what is going to happen in this country over the next decade the failure to correct the changes the balances in the three states is really significant. maybe there's not a swift recovery from coronavirus. maybe there's losses in 2022. republicans need a little bit more of an edge to hold veto power in congress. really through the decade. the warning from the events of the past week is how the power
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will be used. people like mitch mcconnell who don't believe in the crazy missing servers and antifa and clinton foundation. they believe in leveraging minority power to gain veto rights over the national system. >> absolutely. what they want to do with the power i think is clear. enrich the rich and give corporations a veto power over the regulation of themselves. ensure no one taxes wealthy people. they don't care about the ordinary trump voters. they have an agenda. >> it's part of the -- it's exactly right. we talk about those democracy and the law. that tote the line about the tyranny of the majority. what the protection of minority whites in the constitution actually does is present a situation where you can in bad faith game it to ensure what
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we're seeing as a minority rule. so we have seen that in the previous election. clinton won by 3 million in the popular. lost in the electoral college. double that result. in order to get the same result that donald trump got with substantially less of the vote last time. so the idea of gerrymander which will happen as a result of the census and entrench the dynamics will create a bottleneck and the problem the bigger problem with this, one, we talk about specific dangers. when you have a president that is delegitimized and electorate shown the willingness to do acts of violence on trumps behalf. it presents a danger to the incoming president. secondly, you have a likelihood of social upheaval.
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people who have a majority of the will. the will of the public. cannot be expressed through the mechanisms of government. that is a recipe for social turmoil. >> yeah. absolutely. the last question what they're trying to leave behind. you have a story that one of the things they're trying to do is imbed people throughout the government. so it will be hard for joe biden to extra kate them. one they want to put him in national security agency top lawyer. one of the things he will be recalled for doing is hiding the infamous phone call with ukrainian president. to get rid of it. he put the phone call into deep freeze. so people couldn't see it. ally of nunes who wants to manufacture conspiracy theories about the investigation into trump.
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people like that being left behind is yet another threat. it's almost as if vladimir putin were writing this and it's coming to life. >> well, one thing we'll need when it's over and outside the party system is some kind of investigation of exactly what happened. i talked in the thread the need to think about the future not in bipartisan terms but in non-partisan terms. one of the party is broken in commitment no democratic norms. you can recruit people from outside the party system. in a non-party way that is not distract from the normal business of government. we have to get to the bottom of kpagtly what happened in the trump years. there's so many things we should know and we don't. who the people are and how they got into positions. the question of record left behind. were they tampered with. and the financial obligations of the then president through the
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trump presidency. those are questions that need an answer for the country to move forward in a safe way. >> we are not passed these trials. i started off quoting the king in shakespeare. it's a drama. we're not out of the woods yet. you are great, thank you so much. up next america's fragile democracy. a handful of political hacks in the right positions are working over time to over turn the will of the 80 million americans. two of the people fighting to stop the coup in its tracks. join me next. former senator joins me on the republican silence as trump burns everything to the ground on his way out the door. that's something president obama spoke about in an interview with our own. which you can watch tonight. >> i'm more troubled that you are seeing a lot of republican officials go along with it. not because they actually believe it.
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when trump failed to win the election he threw a temper tantrum and lied on twitter about election fraud. when that didn't work he tried to sue his way into the presidency. that isn't working out either. since the legal dream team consistents of diminished giuliani and his hair dye. and someone who called him an idiot in 2016. a fall back plan. assault on his opponent victory. population is 80% black. and the four member election
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board is on the center of the politics. on the board two republicans. who at first refused and agreed to certify election results from the county. only to sign affidavits later saying they want to rescind. in about face that occurred, after trump personally called them on tuesday to express gratitude for their support. >> now michigan republican legislative leaders have been summoned to the white house friday to meet with trump. before michigan's board meets monday to certify the statewide totals. joining me now. the democratic vice chair of the wayne county board of canvassers and chair of the wisconsin election commission. thank you both for being here. i want to start with you. these two republicans being summoned to the white house, do you have an understanding o what it is for? what's expected they are going to do when they get back? and can anything they do over turn the results in michigan?
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>> well, let me say this, when you first individuals here in the state of michigan first heard the individuals were invited to the white house, it created an alarm. it created an alarm because every since the election, we have been hit with and particularly detroit. have been hit with lawsuits with donald trump trying to overturn the election. it is unfortunate that he has summoned the legislative leaders to washington to add them to the list of individuals who are known participants in attempt to hijack the presidency. it's unfortunate right now that we have individuals who are willing to participants to an effort to throw out lawfully cast ballots in the state of michigan. more specifically in the city of detroit. and wayne county.
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what i believe he's hoping to do is these individuals will agree to be a part of a broad conspiracy. a broad attempt to allow for the state brd of canvassers on monday not to certify the election results. let me tell you something about michigan and the election law. the certification of the election is not a discretion power. not for the county board or the state board. they will and must certify the election. michigan election law is clear on that point. >> okay. that is good to know. i want to put up for the viewers. biden won michigan 50 to 47. a clear victory. that is not in question. i'll read the statement from the canvassers. these two gop in michigan said in a statement thursday they lacked confidence the elections fair and impartial and said
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there is a lack of transparency. and there's been no evidence of impropriety or fraud in michigan. i want to turn to wisconsin. just for a moment. in wisconsin there's a whole other thing happens. the election commission issued an order to recount 800,000 ballots cast in two heavily liberal counties at trumps request. to your knowledge what might change in the recounts of two democratic leaning counties? is there some suspicion that those two counties will magically flip to trump winning them? that would be the only way he could undo the election result in wisconsin. >> thank you, joy. the recount isn't to get votes. it is a pretense. it is a fake attempt at saying that they think they'll get votes. they know they're not. we have a statewide recount in
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2016 and it netted donald trump 130 votes out of 3 million. this isn't about bt votes. this is much like what he said, intentional attempt to disenfranchise the voters of the two most populous counties and the two most racially diverse counties in the state. they want to throw out those counties votes almost in the entirety. all the absentees. and that's what this is about. >> they want to throw all the votes out in the counties where the black people live? >> they'll keep a few. basically what they have said is that every absentee ballot, every application was incorrect. i believe in milwaukee, it's over 60,000 ballots they want to throw out because they claim
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incorrectly, falsely that there weren't paper applications. that's wrong. it's fake. that's what they're trying to do. >> very quickly. is the law in wisconsin similar to the law in michigan? that the whoever wins the popular vote in the state of wisconsin their electors shall be seated in the electoral college? is that the law in wisconsin. >> it is. it's hair different. i am the person who will certify the state level canvas. for the state of wisconsin. and that is invested in the chair. which is me. then the certificate of election and certificate of ascertainment are issued. as a duty. in wayne county and then those electors will be seated. >> final word on this. do you view this on an attack on black voters to be blunt.
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in detroit. >> without a doubt. we had a canvas board of meeting on tuesday. and the chair of the county, it was willing to entertain. or ask whether or not we were willing to consider a certification that did not include the city of detroit. this is what has this whole lawsuits have been about. it's about bringing disparage among the votes in the city of detroit. you have the chair as well as the other republican member. on the board participating in challenging ballots. at the absentee county board in detroit. they were right there in the city of detroit challenging ballots and brought that insanity into our certification process. this is all about disenfranchising the black votes
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in the city of detroit. that is unacceptable. we will not stand for it. >> take the votes in milwaukee and detroit trump wins. take the black people out. it's madness. thank you both for being here and standing for democracy. a member of president-elect biden task force on the escalating virus catastrophe. >> emotional and physical stress. it's exhausting. i don't know how we are getting through it. we are. but i don't know how. when panera's chef claes makes a pizza, he doesn't just make a pizza.
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positive tv rising across the country. we approach with the confidence of experience. we know the american people know what to do. >> i'm joined now by member of the biden transition covid advisory boar. clinical assistant professor of medicine and infectious disease. and the host of the american diagnosis and epidemic pod cast. what do you make of the time lag in even having a public briefing by the covid task force? >> we have lost a tremendous amount of time on every single front. in terms of testing. with an administration that discouraged testing. and now with messaging. with providing critical information to the american people so they can make smart decisions and informed decisions for themselves and families to protect them. i'm really concerned that that message is not getting through. especially with the holidays
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coming up. and the risk of transmission during the holidays. >> during the bloomberg reporting mike pence when he was in meeting on tuesday with the task force, said he thinks the media has been crying wolf about covid. he characterized the way we have been talking about the death in this virus. saying we have been crying wolf. leaving americans less likely to take the latest surge serious ri. what you make of that? >> we all need to get on the same team. we are one nation. these are all americans who are dying in this country. those deaths and cases are surging. the growth is expotential. it's really scary. this is a time to care for one another. to heal and unite together against this virus. >> have you ever heard -- other
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than 1917 flu. in your experience has there been another pandemic that took the lives of a quarter million americans? >> not to this scale in such a short period of time. other than hiv pandemic. that's a much slower moving infection. we have not seen anything like this that has moved so quickly. that killed so many americans and sickened so many. and that has had such a dramatic impact on our economy and just how we socialize with one another. >> it's an excellent about the hiv pandemic. in the 1917 flu we haven't seen anything like this. hhs secretary which plays a part in theory to help us dig our way out of this, the department secretary sads the department will not work with the team you're part of until the federal agency of the gsa confirms that biden won the election.
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an official told cnn staffers have been informed if anyone from biden's team contacts them. they are not to communicate. and alert the deputy surgeon general. what does that do to efforts to coordinate a response? >> the gsa has to move forward to be able to have the formal discussions with the counter parts. and throughout the administration. we're not supposed to back channel or have informal conversations. we're being respectful of the boundaries. we are left to form late a blueprint and plan and operation based on publicly available data. like making your war plans based on what's reported on tv and in the newspaper. which you would be missing a lot of critical data. >> absolutely. we know there are a lot of
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warnings. the cdc make warnings against people inviting people who are not already living had their home to do thanksgiving. governors in states like florida where he's been completely derelict. and 270 doctors ask the arkansas governor to impose restrictions. people are worried about thanksgiving. >> i am and most infectious disease doctors and epidemiologists are concerned. we have a spread of the virus. a huge surge in cases and hospitalizations and death. and then you add on top of that what it lesessentially be a super-spreader. people sitting around a table without masks. and that is like pouring fuel on the fire. i think unfortunately the coronavirus likes to hitch a ride on our love and our trust for other people. it's precisely those people who
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are most likely to infect us and we're most likely to infect. >> it is terrifying. thank you for being out there and doing this work. we appreciate you. still ahead. as uponishing level of moral cowardous from the republican party in the attempt to over turn a legitimate election. sneak preview of the exclusive interview with former president obama. airing later tonight. ring latert - [announcer] meet the ninja foodi air fry oven. make family-sized meals fast. and because it's a ninja foodi, it can do things no other oven can, like flip away. the ninja foodi air fry oven, the oven that crisps and flips away. (children laughing) ♪ (music swells)
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so you don't wait for life. you live it. we have got breaking news. moments ago the georgia secretary of state announced the audit was completed and the results confirmed president-elect joe biden victory in georgia. another piece of evidence highlighting biden's victory.
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the vast majority of republican leaders refuse to acknowledge the simple fact. where is the grand old party that used to preach the values of the constitution? as conspiracy theories take a flame thrower to democracy by subverting the will of 80 million voters. well, right now they're gorging themselves on power. stuffing the federal commission with the a appointees. yesterday the senate confirmed 33 year-old to a lifetime federal judgeship. the former thomas clerk was so topnotch. rated not qualify by the american bar association because of lack of trial experience. millions of americans are in need of help because of the coronavirus. clearly the gop thinks they can wait. let them eat judges.
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joining me now. former senator. it's always great to talk with you. this is what we're doing. republicans don't care about democracy, they hate elections. because they don't always win. they are watching donald trump burn down the house to get more judges and stack the federal reserve board with people. and 33 year-old unqualified judges. is that the same republican cohort you knew? >> yes. they're a disgrace. the longer they refuse to acknowledge that joe biden won fairly, the more republican base will buy into the fiction that this was rigged. and that under mines democracy. and that causes lasting damage. that will be with us for a long
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time. you can't put the tooth paste back in the tube. it's an absolute disgrace. this is the time when we have the worst -- we have an emergency. a pandemic. people are this is spiking and people are dying. we have a president who refuses to do his job that that he's fighting to get. but has no interest in doing. we need a government now addressing this crisis. >> it's clear that donald trump is more interested in keeping himself out of legal liability. than doing the job. that's clear. there's reporting to back it up. let's go through the senators individually. lindsey graham. there's a senate ethics complaint against him. for what he's been doing. meddling in the georgia election. he did fun fund raising from the senate which he's not supposed to do. to tell georgia a republican
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official to throw out the ballots. throw out legal mail in ballots so trump can win. >> republican secretary of state. >> yeah. i don't understand. >> he's a very cynical politician. that's what he is first and foremost. and will tell you that. if you're serving with him in the senate. we know that. the republicans secretary of state of georgia said that he called him and ask to get rid of the legal votes. and then he denied that. and unfortunately there was another person on the phone. a witness to that. graham said in the interview where he denied it. i talked to a lot of secretaries of state. and arizona and he said no he didn't talk to me.
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if this were a murder, he would be in a lot of trouble. yes, it's an ethic investigation and should be. he is lying. which, you know, due process. this is really serious. this is -- >> there's east accusations of ethics violations of two sitting senators. loeffler. making fund raising pitches to get a seat. she wants to get elected and perdue. >> yeah. exactly. she also of course sold stock at a beneficial time for her after she got the briefings about covid. david perdue helped the defense contract when sold off stock as beneficial time for him. when they found out how bad covid was. the republicans are fighting to get into the senate. at this point, do we actually
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have two political parties? or we have one political party and a mafia on the other side. that wants to try to get minority rule for unethical people? >> i split the difference. we have two parties. one is a mafia. and this is -- look, it's crazy senators have stocks in any stocks -- they should have mutual funds. or traded funds. that is what i had. that's what you should have. what perdue did was vote on something and immediately sell a stock in the defense contractor he helped. and loeffler was awful. she sold she had privy information to a crisis.
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and sold the covid crisis and sold stock. sold hotel stock. >> a guy that you might remember from new york. i was never a fan. he wasn't particularly nice to black people when he was mayor of new york, so i was never a big fan of his. but there were a lot of people who were and thought he did a great job just actually speaking after 9/11 like a normal mayor. but he's now become a weird, tragic figure. there he is with hair dye running down his cheeks. what do you think is going on with this guy? >> as you pointed out, atticus finch had his hair dye roll down in the film "mockingbird" so it it's not necessarily a sign that you're sleeping. i don't know. this guy has some problems and has for quite a while.
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can you imagine that's your guy, that's your go-to election lawyer? okay, james baker, rudy giuliani. it's pretty amazing. and the stuff he was saying today was so crazy and, look, this is so damaging because of republican base is going to buy into this more and more the longer this goes on and that's a tragedy. it's especially a tragedy now. look, i was doing an interview the other day and a nurse who said she had patients, a south dakota nurse, who has patients who are dyeing from covid who don't believe it, deny they're dyeing of covid. and this is because donald trump
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my pal jonathan kaye sat down with barack obama to discuss his new book "a promised land." that exclusive interviews airs tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. here's a sneak peek. >> i think joe biden is right to say that we should all make an effort to do our best to lower the temperature and listen to the other side, but, i think when you have a current president who -- whose entire style is fan division, it's hard when he's on the stage. in some ways i think it will be useful for us to just get back to the normal arguments between democrats and republicans.
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>> jonathan kaye part, opinion writer for "the washington post," joins me now. hello, friend. i first want to congratulate you on this interview. let get into this. that was such an obama answer, lower the temperature, listen to the other guy. but having lived through a version of trumpism for eight years as president, did you get the sense you really think that's something joe biden will be able to do? you've already got donald trump attempting to undermine the legitimacy of his presidency before he even takes the oath. same thing they did to obama. >> right, exactly. i think he's hopeful. president obama is always hopeful. but you thing -- you didn't show it there but the clip has been shown in other places, and i think you might have showed it at the beginning of the show where he's talking about his worry is not donald trump but it's the republicans who are there, the republicans who are
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buying into what president trump is doing in terms of undermining the elections and trying to overturn the elections in michigan. and if you take that and you couple it with what he was just saying there in response to a whole other question, you get the sense that it's sort of like godspeed, joe biden, because it's going to be tough. he had it tough because they were going up against him with the birther stuff but just going up against him on policy. what republicans are doing now, they're not going up against joe biden, they're tearing down the country. they are tearing down the country. they are tearing down the american people, and they are tearing down american democracy all at the same time. >> yeah, earlier in the show described as all blackism he against birtherism and expanded
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it on. i'm very curious to what president obama had to say about the death toll, quarter million dead. i have to imagine anyone who's been president and responsible for lives as commander in chief of the military and having to have those deaths happen when you have military actions, et cetera, i can't imagine what he thinks about this death and this death toll. >> well, no, we did not talk specifically about the pandemic. we did not talk specifically about the death toll. but you know it weighs on him. in my first question to him, i was just asking how mrs. obama and malia and sasha are, and they are at home, all of them at home, because of young women are home remote learning. and the discussions about adjusting to each other but also how -- the way they have it is easy compared to the rest of the country and people living with the pandemic.
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>> yes, indeed, indeed. jonathan capehart, proud of you! thank you for sharing some with us. we will bring you back another time. jonathan's exclusive interviews airs tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern, immediately after "the rachel mad ydow show," yes, racl is back on msnbc tonight. we're excited. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> he will go down in history as being the most irresponsible president in america's history. 62 days from biden's inauguration, donald trump is actively trying to overthrow the democracy. >> what we keep reading and hearing in the censored press, which is we have no evidence. ment i know crimes, i can smell them. >> tonight the governor of michigan, trump's subverting election in her state.

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