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today donald trump ask his conspiracy theorists received another blow n. their bid to steal the election. georgia officials certified president-elect joe biden victory in the state. an hour after trump emerged from the white house hole to say this. >> the campaign which i won by the way. we'll find out. >> just to be clear, trump is lying. again. here again is the electoral map that shows bidenen him by a
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landslide. like he stole something. beat him. whooped. he said this today two weeks after he was declared the winner. the republican party are taken in by the delusion trump won and the moon is made of cheese. or they're hoping their mad king's temper dispates before january 20. so he won't tweet mean things. in other words their cowards. and not taking a stand for their country. democracy is a system some americans profess to hold dear. at this crucial and alarming moment as trump tries to engineer a coup, the republican party has been chosen to remain silent. some of them like rommy and sass tweeted out statements and waited for the statements to accomplish nothing. and fade away like yesterday's news. within that silence, enter as if
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emerging from a vault. battling for legitimizing the unhinged conspiracy. giving him false hope. to provide this chaser this morning on fox. >> with the world so divided and everybody telling him he has to give up and time to leave and transition and all the rest. why not name the vaccine the trump. make it like have you gotten your trump yet? it will be a nice gesture. >> even if people laugh. so let me get it straight. you want every american to refuse to get vaccinated? would you let the best doctor vaccinate you with the trump? it's a no for me, dog. look at this devastating headline. sedition and coup used every day to describe the country. the conspiracy theories are too
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bonkers for voter fraud mouthpiece. that said his show which does ufo could not give credence to the claims that the ghost is haunting our election. do you know how off the rails you have to be for tucker karlson to give you a hard pause. election fraud. dead people voting. servers seized in germany. that show he won by 11 billion votes. none of this is real. today, republican state lawmakers from michigan arrived in washington to meet trump in the white house. he was expected to pressure them to over turn the victory in the state. they have not been made aware of the information that would change the election. and follow the law and follow the normal process regarding michigan electors. because they have to. there is nothing normal about state lawmakers getting summoned to the white house days before
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certifying votes. they have laws. dh i know trump doesn't believe in. laws and things. that require the electors of the winner of the popular vote in the state to be seated. period. that's the law. the crazy thing is we in the media shouldn't be the only ones saying this. each day elected republicans fail to condemn and fight this rot. beyond their little come together tweets. is another day we march towards the real possibility that american democracy as we know it will one day come to a crashing halt. joining me now. the associated press. the boston globe. and former chief of staff to secretary of state. when there was a republican party. one could respect. let's start with you, first, john. inside the white house, are there advisers that are really telling trump that he can get state lawmakers to break the
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laws that are written in the state to hand him the electors and then what does he pardon them after they break the law? what are people telling trump that is making him think he can get the people to break the law? >> i left the white house. those michigan republicans were there for about an hour. as you said, you read from the statement. which seems to suggest there will be no change. and of course couldn't be a change. to the result in michigan. we should note the west wing is a ghost town. a lot of staffers have have stopped coming to work after the election night coronavirus out break that infected the chief of staff and others. and others had to quarantine and isolate for two weeks. and aids i have talked to. very few are in the oval office. the president is described to be so tempermental and in a fall mood. barking and demanding
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suggestions and slouolutions tos predicament. no one believes the measures will over turn the election. we noted what happened in georgia. this is still his last gasp. the idea to fight this. it's a performance as any actual to show his followers his supporters he is still fighting. rather than a real belief. he made a rare i peerappearance over a week. talking about prescription drug prices. the fact he believes he won the election. and when we tried to ask about that. he left the room. taking no questions. >> very quickly. there is reporting that trump is trying to prevent a certification of the vote. a stalling game. to push it back as far as he can. other reporting from "new york times" part is about fear of being prosecuted. and there are cases he could
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fates after office. how much of this is trying to essentially create so much havoc and death and fear that he maybe able to somehow convince the incoming justice department to give him a deal that would pardon him and excuse him from crimes? how much is the usual trump bullying to get out of having to face the court? >> certainly he's sowing chaos and doubt in the democratic process. what he's done. under mining faith in the election. and abandoning his day job. when the coronavirus is surging out of control. certainly there are those whether it's deliberate. those are close to him that are nervous that could lie ahead. what the state of new york could do. whether put the president personally or his business or children. that is something they are eyeing right now. and doing so. and of course the president is now trying to chart his future. whether that is a 2024 run.
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or trying to keep that flirtation alive for relevance. and let's remember this, this president is in debt. he needs to make money. that's the other play here. how to try to keep the followers loyal to him for whatever the next venture is. whether it is a media company. or giving rallies and charging for them. or whatever the next step is. trying to monetize this. while still keeping relevant as he makes a decision down the road to reenter politics. all the while watching prosecutors. >> are you getting me? maybe the supporters would go. you have the trump going into court. saying we think there was fraud and in wisconsin and michigan. and presented evidence they didn't have to do with wisconsin
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and michigan. and more votes and voters and all sorts of stuff and presented minnesota. they're not even coherent in the things they are doing. it's absurd. despite the clear absurdity. rudy giuliani in general. no republicans are -- very few are willing to walk away from this. or inch away. >> you can can be a conservative politician, republican elected official in the country and you might like the appointees he made to the supreme court and federal judiciary. and 2017 corporate tax cut and say you might have a theory of why it's good for the economy. there's no reasonable way that any republican elected official in the country can look at what he's doing around this election and think of that as credible and anything but attack on american values.
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and attack on dmak si. free and fair elections are the basis which american is a model for democracy around the world. the fact so many republican leader in state houses in the country and washington have been silent is deafening. and staggering to see how republican officials go along for the ride. speaker of the house. feeding the conspiracy there's fraud. obviously when the legal suits have been proven to be nothing. having lindsey graham interfering calling state officials in arizona and nevada and michigan. and georgia. trying to there's something awry with the election results. donald trump lost arizona. he lost nevada. he lost michigan. he lost georgia. there's no changing that fact. what's happening here is a gop sanctioned attempt to under mine the results of the election. and subvert the will of the american voter. it's one thing to say that
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donald trump has his own alternate reality. when president obama was born in the united states. climate change is a hokiax. and the pandemic is not a problem. it's another thing to have spores of gop officials willing to sacrifice the very values they swore to uphold and the constitution. and to be complicit in this. history will judge them harshly. they maybe appealing to a fraction of a base. future generations -- >> absolutely. they will be savaged in history. this is a new ad from the lincoln project. >> most republican leaders are refusing to accept the out come of the democratic process. shameful. cowardly. and un-american. >> if a president was an wasn't elected legally. no one was elected legally.
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tell your officials to act like americans and support democracy. the question in 2020 america or trump. america won. tr time for republicans to put america first. >> we counted three republicans who criticized trumps false claims that he won the election. one won her election by less that what biden won in michigan. she doesn't think her election was rigged. it was great. i don't understand what this is. you worked for colin powell. what is the point of this other than a coup? >> let me say first that i agree with what johnson said in yen. and i add i'm not concerned about this election process much anymore. because i'm really proud of the people in all states and the district. they did a marvelous job. and the law is being followed. and i don't care whether rudy giuliani makes a fool of himself
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or not. he is. they are to be applauded for the free and fair election and with very minimal fraud if any. that occurred. and we need to move on. what i'm concerned about is the transition process. i went through a transition process with george bush. we didn't get into the state department until december. we didn't start briefings and transition in substance until a week or so later. this is dangerous. the 9/11 commission said this. we missed the emphasis on al qaeda that we should have taken from the briefings. and we had in september. we didn't have an national security counsel meeting with al qaeda on the agenda until august. this is dangerous. i'm giving confidence by biden's experience. bush had the experience of a red ant. joe biden has extensive experience. we need the transition to take
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place. and the briefings. i'm afraid if they said today the briefings could tag place. there would be no one there confident enough to give a briefing. that's what i'm concerned about. the republicans, lind gram this whole group. they think if they come out against trump the evangelical core and the other shall i say mad elements of the core that are for trump will dessert them. i understand that. they can't get elected in the future. they have to act like idiots in order to keep the core in tact for the future political career. >> the thing is there's a present and you stated the 9/11 commission was clear that the delay made us vulnerable. and we had 9/11. we have a present situation. a pandemic. that has killed a quarter of a million people plus. and we have to do a virus roll
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out. when people don't have confidence in the virus. in the vaccine. because trump had anything to do with it. you have to convince people to take that seriously. and there's the physical rolling of it out. which will be complicated. then you have steve mnuchin trying to tank the economy. it looks at least to be from the outside looking in like republicans almost want to hand biden megacrisis in a country that is completely broken and destroyed. that's what it looks like. >> i couldn't agree more. i fault mcconnell more than anyone else for that. and if this comes to be the case what you described and possibly worse, i'll fault him more. i wish kentucky had this discarded him. we have him. and if he doesn't change his motive.
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we'll be in trouble. and biden will find it difficult to govern. because of the damage trump has done over seas. domestically. there isn't a place he hasn't touched with his awful hand. biden will have to try to pick up the pieces and move out. it will be extremely difficult particularly if mcconnell is an obstructer in the senate. >> yeah. it's not looking good. thank you all three very much. up next, trumps new binky is claiming credit for the vaccine. accepting zero responsibility for the out of control pandemic that has now killed more than a quarter of a million americans. plus the cult of trump. after he lost to biden. some supporters are willing to die for him. what's up with that? did you know that 70% of your immune system is located in your gut?
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susan has been sick with covid. and at one point we really thought there was a possibility that it might kill her. and that's why i have been away. whoever is the most important person in your life, whoever you most love and most care for and cherish in the world. that's the person who you may lose. whatever you are doing. don't get this thing. do whatever you can to keep from getting it. >> that was my friend and colleague. the dear and wonderful rachel maddow. in her open last night revealed her long time partner the amazing susan got so sick with covid-19. she feared for her life. they join 11 million americans who had to live with the virus. according to experts at the university of washington the united states is projected to hit 470,000 covid deaths by
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march. a reference for that death toll. that would be about 65,000 more americans than were killed in world war ii. yesterday more than 193,000 new cases were reported. nearly 2,000 deaths. adding to the horrifying toll of 254,000 americans. taken by the pandemic. we have vaulted over a quarter million mark. and like most previous weeks, we have new cases in the republican party. an hour ago we learned that donald trump jr. has tested positive for the virus. he joins florida senator rick scott. on the campaign trail for his georgia colleagues. also rudy giuliani's son. who is a special assistant to trump. as tested positive. he attended yesterday's shameful press conference. people were packed into a room. for more than an hour. a white house official tells us in addition to giuliani, at
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loost three lower level aids have tested positive. director of the illinois department of public health. thank you both for being here. doctor, we had trump's lawyers that are trying to fight the fake cases for him on the election, not even wanting to go into the meeting with the michigan lawmakers because they don't want to take the risk of covid. going to the white house is a health risk. yet you have a president that is have meetings and flying people in. to come and meet with him. and acting as if it's business as usual. what message -- we know. but i don't know what to say. i'll let you talk. >> good evening. the estimates you mention one thing for viewers to keep in mind, that number balloons to
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670,000 americans lost by february. if states don't do common sense things. given the current situation like in illinois. thanks to the doctor who is joining us here. if they don't post social distancing mandates and close indoor dining. something most states will have to do a form of in the coming months as we get through the worst of it. 660,000 lost by end of february. if those things don't happen. holiday travel. we have said nobody should travel unless it's an emergency. do not travel for the holiday. i have heard polls one in five americans may travel. college stunlts especially. college students watching this, for the benefit of loved ones. do not go home and then come back and go back home again. stay home, stay put. mask in the presence of loved ones for at least 72 hours and
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get tested. that will be critical. >> the thing is people are taking risks because they either don't believe it's real. you heard rachel just going into detail about how terrifying it is. i know people who have gotten it. it's painful. the worst they have felt. people thought they were going to die. it's not getting through. people were partying in atlanta. last night. people just partying away. thinking everything is fine. meanwhile here's a few of the statistics. people in new york are waiting three hours to get tested. people in los angeles waiting in line longs outside dodger stadium to get tested. laboratories are warning there are shortage of key supplies. the u.s. is testing more than 1.5 million people a day on average. there aren't enough tests for everyone. i don't know what else we can tell people. about trying to stay away and
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not have to eat one meal for thanksgiving. and risk the rest of their lives. i don't know what else to do? what are you doing as a doctor. what can we say? >> we have to keep handing out that same message. we need to find credible messengers in the community. maybe they are tired of hearing from it from the same people. and we have been trying to identify covid ambassadors. people within their sphere who have a lot of a big social media presence. and say the same message. but someone they can understand. this holiday which we're trying to give thanks and at the top of everyone's list of what they consider the thing they're grateful for is family. and how would you want to treat family by putting them at risk for not being here for a future holiday. that thanksgiving is not cancelled. i want to be clear. the way we're going to celebrate is different.
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so there's future thanksgivings that look closer to what we're used to from the past. >> absolutely. people are out there saying that the democrats are trying to cancel christmas. it happens whether or not you sit around with non-family members. people don't understand what christmas is. any who. a trusted voice. dr. fauci. >> one of the great things in beauties of the country is this federalist approach whether states can do things individually. and they have their own lee way to do things and make decisions. there's good things about that. because the states differ in so many ways that you want them to have that independence of being able to do what they feel is best for the state. when you're dealing with something that is a extraordinary out break of an infectious disease that doesn't
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know state boundaries, that doesn't know county boundaries or city boundaries. you have to pull together as a whole and do things consistently. >> i want to give you a chance. the associated press is reporting pfizer is looking for emergency authorization for the vaccine. this will have to get rolled out. i wonder if the communication on a vaccine is going to be even more difficult than the communication on the virus it. are you concerned it will be ineffective because people are taking this attitude of i don't have to do what anybody tells me. >> i think there's going to be a lot of need for effective communication on this specific issue. one in two americans are concerned about the process under lying the development of the vaccine. myself and others in public health have to double down on communication. find community ambassadors. it will be vital. what i can say clearly and what
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dr. fauci said in the last few days is the science on the pfizer vaccine. and others is strong. there's independent oversight. experts have weighed in. and gained nothing from saying that this is a safe vaccine. no political or financial gain. we can feel certain that once this gets rolled out the priority groups initially. and hopefully the american people. by 2021. people will take it. we need to lead by example. >> most of the black people i know are getting it a hard stop no. it had anything to do with trump. it came -- the vaccines were created during the administration. with trump all they see is racism. there's a long history of black bodies being abused. by the medical science system in the country. back to the experiments etc. there were black people who say
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i don't trust it. if it was created during the trump era it's no. that's an additional public health challenge. and oh communities as well. i'm not sure the indigenous community is super-trustful. what do we do? >> we have some significant hurdles to climb. some of the groups that are most impacted are black and brown communities are the ones that might be wanting to take a hard pause on that. we have to increase our ground game with this. and make sure people understand everything all the processes that go into the vaccine. and the authorization. and the recommendation. they need to know that experts within our own state. we have a panel that will be looking at all of the information that is presented and we will be able to verify or support things that come out. we really need to have everyone know the facts.
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know what the risks are. what the potential ben if i wants are. and hopefully make the right decision. >> yooe. it will be tough. thank you. stay safe. still ahead. if you think joe biden has a it bad now. wait until he's inaugust ratd. republican leader are signaling they have no interest in bipartisan and intend to obstruct his agenda like president obama. designed to get virtually every hair on the first stroke, while washing away dirt and oil. so you're ready for the day with a clean shave and a clean face.
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inauguration day is exactly two months from today. our toddler in chief is continuing obstruction of the peaceful transfer of power to the next president. kayleigh mcenany excused trumps behavior claiming he was never given an orderly transition of power. that's not true. of course. ask donald trump. >> every four years we gather on the steps to carry out the orderly and peaceful transfer of power. and we are grateful to president obama and first lady michelle obama. for the the gracious aid throughout the transition. they have been magnificent. >> this of course isn't stopping biden from moving forward. he met with house speaker and
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senate minority leader schumer. the head of the gsa refuses to recognize the win. leading democrats to demand a briefing from her on monday. joins me now democratic senator of delaware. this is a house request. at some point you have had senators and other colleagues say if no action is taken to give president-elect biden access i'm going to, i'm going to. and friday went by and he did nothing. is there anything senators can do to force this woman's hand? >> republican senators can begin publicly recognizing reality and saying they know joe biden is the president-elect. they can press president trump to accept reality and begin this transition. and frankly all of us can and should be speaking up about how the gsa administrator ten days ago should have made her determination kp begun the transition process.
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>> yet they're not. meanwhile what they're doing instead. what the team is doing. you have steve mnuchin cutting off vital money. and rescind the hundreds of billions of fund that are supposed to save small business. rather than spend the money. called an attempt to deliberately create a financial crisis and sabotage biden agenda. let the recession happen. this is a as cynical as it gets. at this point are you convinced there's anyone on the republican side that cares about the country to be blunt. more than about their power? >> this has been a disheartening period. it is so clear. especially today after georgia certified the out come of the election. there's no path way for nifany efforts for trump to over turn
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the election. he abandoned legal action. he has no way to change the certification of the vote in georgia. and every day that we wait, that we wonder, that we grind our teeth at republicans who are refusing to stand up, is a day putting security at risk. that puts public health at risk. and makes us more convinced that the republicans in the senate and president trump himself are not acting in the best interest of the country. it's long passed time for us to be in the middle of a functional transition. this is hurting our reputation. as a democracy over seas. and putting behind the 8 ball the team serves biden and harris. they are not getting vital security briefings and critically needed information about plans for distributing a vaccine. >> it feels though like it's deliberate sabotage. there's a list of things.
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trump is blocking agencies from talking to the team. denying information on the vaccine distribution plan. denying classified intelligence briefings. with holding federal funds. on the house side the guy unanimously elected on thursday to be the next chair of the republican study committee. which is an important group. we're not looking for bipartisan. this is jim banks. dismissing biden a lame duck from day one. as if trump is not a lame duck. and expects trump will lead republicans in or out of the white house. and the house republican conference is really the party of trump. what they're saying is it will be trumpism forever. and to you you think they are deliberately trying to sabotage the economy and national security sdo create crisis to try and destroy the biden presidency? >> that's a pretty hard thing to accept. but steve mnuchin's actions the secretary of the treasury of saying we don't need the main street lending program.
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we don't need the program. even in the face of the fed chairman saying absolutely our economy badly needs another round of stimulus. leads no other conclusion. today joe biden president-elect whose birthday is today. spent the day working hard approxima immediating with experts and nancy pelosi. on how to take over from the trump non-transition. this temper tantrum. and back on track to deal with the pandemic and recover our economy. i see one president-elect who is behaving in a responsible way and planning for leading the country. and i see an out going president who is refusing to take responsibility and lead. even as we had 185,000 new covid cases today. >> it's sad. senator, thank you for giving us a chance. happy birthday to one
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president-elect joe biden. and in the senate seat vacated by joe biden. in delaware. thank you. have a great weekend. >> still ahead. some of the super-fans say they would die for donald trump. cult expert join us and understand this bizarre cult. that's next. ♪ ♪ since pioneering the suv in 1935, the chevy suburban has carried many things. nothing more important than family. introducing the most versatile and advanced chevy suburban and tahoe ever.
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what he would do is bring real life situations. modern day situations into the sermon. and you could listen to him all day. when you left the church, you were disappointed it was over. he was the greatest guy. >> doctor peel. a minister. 1950 self-help guru. who wrote the power of positive thinking. in which he said quote was written with the soul objective of helping the reader achieve a happy satisfying and worthwhile life. he adds obstacles are not permitted to destroy your well being. in line with his father. who like many other self-made rich men was so enamored. he and his family joined the church. peel preached a message of relentless optimism. and a obsession with confidence. like believe in yourself. and everything you do and change your thoughts change your world. he officiated his 1977 wedding
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and both appeared with peel at his 90th birthday party in 1988. in a 1982 interview. peel explained the positive mind set he preached. >> we are better than we think we are. we are better than we tell ourselves that we are. i think it tries to say that there is as thomas carlisle said, a hero in everybody. >> donald trump wasn't the only conservative politician drawn to him. he was a long time friend of another president. nixon. and reagan gave him a medal of freedom in 1984. he had critics. a bishop called his following a cult. saying it worshipped success rather than christ. so of course trump credited him with helping him through a financial ruin his financial ruin in the 1990s. in 2009 he told psychology today
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reading his book helped him. and adding i refused to be sucked into negative thinking. explains this particular moment. refusing to concede to joe biden. don't believe me? you need be defeated only if you are willing to be. trump is using his positive thinking to dupe supporters. we'll talk about that with his niece. and a cult expert after the break. it can do things no other oven can, like flip away. the ninja foodi air fry oven, the oven that crisps and flips away.
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since losing the presidential election to joe biden, donald trump has leaned hard into the power of positive thinking, which he learned from the self-help guru dr. norman vincent peale who claimed you need be defeated only if you are willing to be. since november 3rd trump has peddled the unreal tee that he won the election and that has
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hypnotized some of his supporters into going along with the charade big-time. a texas chiropractor told reuters no way in hell, his words, that trump lost. he added that he would go to war for trump. if president trump comes out and says, guys, i have irrefutable proof of fraud and i'm calling on americans to take up arms, we would go. if that's not terrifying enough, he also insisted he wasn't being manipulated by trump at all. another trump voter broke down, declaring his feel tee to trump in to rush limbaugh. >> god forbid, what do we have left? i love my president. i am not a revolutionary, rush, but i would die for my president. >> joining me now is mary trump, niece of donald trump and author of "too much and never enough, how my family created the most
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dangerous man." and steven hassan and the author of "the cult of trump." mary, i have to go to you first because you wrote a lot about your family and the things that they believe. just from reading it, your family didn't strike me as religious, but to the extent there was a religion, norman vincent peale was it. walk us through that. in your mind has trump become norman vincent peale to his supporters? >> well, donald didn't learn the power of positive thinking directly from peale who in my mind as a charlatan, he learned it through my grandfather's interpretation. he took it to such a degree that there was this atmosphere of toxic positivity in my grandparents' house so that being sick, any kind of weakness, losing, was considered absolutely unforgivable. so we see how donald dealt with covid-19. we see how he's dealing with this loss that he cannot find his way out of. so i don't think he's norman vincent peale, although he does
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represent that to these people who are taking such extreme allegiance to him. it's rather disturbing. >> and that allegiance is the thing that i think sort of blows people's minds, steven hassan. welcome to the show. it's almost as if he was a cult leader and one who you heard people say they will die for him. they're willing to risk covid for him. they express -- they don't care, they almost seem to want to get covid for him. can you just walk us through how that develops from a political allegiance to a kind of cult? >> well, i guess we have to start with a malignant narcissist, the personality type of a destructive cult leader. in my book i describe the stereotypical profile of trump with jim jones and moon, the leader of the cult that i was in back 45 years ago. and people don't knowingly join a cult, but they get deceived.
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and the pathological lying that trump does and the conspiracy of the media and the right-wing authoritarian cults that are part of the cult of trump is what's driving the mess that we're in right now. and i just hope that americans can step back and get past the "i can't believe he's doing this" phase into, yes, he's very predictable. michael cohen has predicted it, mary trump has predicted it. so the point is we need to do everything within our power to reach out to people who have been under the spell of donald trump, explain hypnosis, explain the authoritarian control mechanisms that are being used through our smartphones and through the platforms where people are being constantly iin doctrine atd with fear that somehow biden and everyone else is satanic and we're part of
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this skpeer waconspiracy with q. i woke up from my cult and people will wake up but we need to do a lot of work and get past just saying it's a cult. we need to understand what's underneath. >> and, you know, i think it's a very good point. you have to sort of unin dadocte 8 trump. this is 2018 and here's what your uncle said next. >> have you ever asked god for forgiveness? >> i'm not sure i have. i just go and try to do a better job from there. i don't think so. i think if i -- if i do something wrong, i think i just try and make it right. i don't bring god into that picture. i don't. >> and, you know, i think about
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that because we have more than a quarter million people dead and that doesn't seem to faze donald trump at all. i can't imagine him -- you got the sense that george w. bush felt pain at the mistaken war that he had led americans into, whether or not he still agreed with the war, but the dead seemed to bother him. this level of death doesn't seem to bother donald trump at all. >> it doesn't. the only thing that surprised me with that clip is that he was will to go even a little bit towards having made a mistake at some point in his life. but of course he comes back and fixes everything. and that's why we are where we are with covid because changing anything would mean course correcting would mean admitting he had done something wrong. he would much rather have 2,000 americans dying every day than admit he was wrong. that's only going to get worse as this loss becomes more and more inevitable. so we need to buckle up. >> steven, how come that doesn't shake people? that's what has surprised me, i have to be honest with you. that after a quarter million
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people die or when we got really close to a quarter of a million people dead, 72 million people said, let's get four more years of that. that the death didn't shake them. it shakes me and all i do is report on it. look at what 9/11 did. it changed our whole lives. these dead -- all of this death doesn't seem to shake his supporters at all. >> right, because they're tuned into completely different information flows and not alternative facts, lies. and what's happening is they have this black and white, all or nothing, good versus evil frame where we're in doomsday and joe biden and all the democrats are satanic and they need to do this. but any religious christian will speak out against prosperity, gospels will speak out against the type of cult groups that are in trump's base and they need to amplify that message and say,
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you know what, judgment day is coming and you will be held accountable. the bible even says that even the elect will be deceived. a little bit of a message from my religious friends. >> indeed. thank you both so much, mary trump, steven hassan, thank you very much. you guys are great. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> earlier today secretary raffensperger presented the certified results of the 2020 general election to my office. >> joe biden is the certified winner in georgia as the president's shakedown continues in michigan. >> are you talking to president trump about overthrowing the will of michigan voters? >> tonight as joe biden prepares for an inauguration, how do you govern a country half trapped in a maga bubble? >> president trump won by a
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