president-elect joe biden's inauguration. outgoing president trump has not conceded and the quest to overturn the will of the american people and reverse the results of the election which he lost. donald trump is the loser. >> this is not an easy thing to do. big pharma ran negative advertisements against me during the campaign. which i won. we'll find that out. >> we are watching in real-time a 74-year-old man throw a tantrum because he did not get his way. georgia certified the results of the election declaring biden the winner one day after the federal judge appointed last year by trump rejected the lawsuit aimed at blocking the certification for no reason whatsoever other

than trump lost. it follows a costly hand recount of nearly 5 million ballots. in a speech yesterday, the republican secretary of state said in part, quote, the numbers be don't lie. he would not go as far as to say donald trump is lying, so i will. in michigan, another state that joe biden won, trump is trying all the tools in the authoritarian playbook to avert the certification process from happening. senator mitt romney writes, it is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic action by a sitting american president. so here is what the outgoing president is doing now and while it may not be surprising, frankly, it is shocking in how brazen and out in the open and straight-forward it is. on tuesday night, president trump called the two republican members of michigan's wayne county board of canvassers hours after they voted to certify the

results of the election in wayne county. the next day, those two individuals filed affidavits for the trump campaign seeking to e rescind their votes to recertify. donald trump has had no events on his schedule since he lost the election. he hosted lawmakers, including the senate majority leader and the speaker of the michigan house at the white house. a state gop leader tells nbc news they were expecting trump to pressure them to overturn the election results based on claims of fraud in detroit. then the hot shot legal team led by rudy giuliani. he was fired up by the news conference, something he applied to his hair or face appeared to start melting. the conspiracy theory involves a network of vote fraudsters and offering up alternative election

results. >> we cannot let this happen to us. we cannot allow these crooks, that's what they are, to steal an election from the american people. they elected donald trump. they didn't elect joe biden. joe biden is in the lead because of the fraudulent ballots. >> i tried 100 cases. i prosecuted some of the most dangerous criminals in the world. >> your question is fundamentally flawed when you ask where is the evidence. you clearly don't understand the legal process. >> that took place on thursday. also on thursday, 1,945 americans died of covid-19. a record-breaking more than 193,000 americans diagnosed with the disease. actually, that record held for all of one day. the early nbc news tally for friday revealed another record. more than 194,000 new cases and

more than 1,880 americans reportedly died. case counts have exceeded 100,000 per day for two weeks. last week, an average of 165,000 cases per day. more than double the average from one month ago. cases, hospitalizations and deaths are up everywhere across the country. things are so bad, that trump politicized the cdc and urging americans not to travel during the thanksgiving holiday. in el paso, texas, things are so hellish, the county has job openings for morgue workers. officials are relying on low level inmates to assist in moving the mounting dead. according to the chief, he says there are 200 bodies stored in nine temporary morgue trailers. yesterday, we learned donald trump jr. has covid-19. republican senator rick scott has covid-19 and republican

senator chuck grassley who is 87 years old and one of the oldest of congress. he warned his caucus to stay healthy or risk the lame duck agenda. officials briefed republican senators on thursday on the plan to vaccinate 20 million americans by the end of december. a plan they have no plans to brief president-elect joe biden's transition team on. this comes as trump's white house task force held a briefing this week. think about it this way. 14,500 americans died between briefings. trump could not be bothered to show up to the meeting this week. america deserves better. trump and his loyalists have made clear they are more

concerned with jooverturning th election versus the pandemic. >> the country is still in the crisis. there is a dark winter still ahead. it took eight months to provide 100 million covid-19 tests. eight months to provide covid-19 tests. just imagine how much more difficult it would be to point it out if we don't find a more efficient and effective way to provide 330 million vaccinations. we discussed the implementation of the national mask mandate. it is not a political statement. it is a patriotic duty. the bottom line. we can do this. there's nothing beyond our capacity. we have to come together as a country. >> joining me now is the mayor of minot, north dakota. they are in the middle of the surge in both cases and deaths.

minot is the especially center of of it. it is a paragon of the crisis and underestimated rural spread and overburdened hospital system. mayor, good to see you. i know it is busy for you right now. we appreciate the time you are taking. what has happened in minot? you have seen a remarkable jump in cases. you had 1,400 last week. at the beginning of october, you had 11. >> good morning. we had more than 11, i think, as a backlog has taken place. what you are seeing here is what is happening around the country. the weather got colder in many cases and here rather than in the south where it was wormwarmn the summer. we anticipated the spike in the winter time to pretty much mirror what a lot of the experts

said. i think what we have seen here is a lot of folks that are hard working individuals that may not have taken this as serious as this may have been early on and right now we are involved with everything one else trying to get the mask mandates further followed and getting people to take this spread of the coronavirus serious. >> you are right, mayor. i misread my numbers. 174 cases at the beginning of october. it went to 1,400. deaths were 11 at the beginning of october. since then, 94 deaths. talk to me about the mask mandate. there's been an unusual difficulty in getting it out there and getting it done finally and then having people take seriously it needs to be done. part of the issue with the mandates, they are meant to be encouragements. you don't have police evnforcin it, but they are meant to take

this seriously. this is a problem you have in north dakota. >> i think you take a look at the upper midwest. that is what we are seeing across montana or minnesota or north dakota or south dakota. it is upper midwest where you have a group of a large population who are very dependent individuals and resilient individuals. trying to get folks to come around to the issue that masks are meant to protect others. this is a community. we fought through and overcome natural disasters in minot and fargo and to get them to understand it is a component. not just the solution that masks go along with the hand sanitizing and general hygiene and awareness of not being around large groups or in large gatherings. we can help mitigate this spread.

that is one of the biggest, i think, mental blocks to overcome for people. this is not others. this is community effort. little things we do can make a heck of a difference as we see the hospitals that are at or near capacity. not just in minot, but across north dakota and the midwest as the numbers have been spiking. we wihen we saw our death rates increase, that is simply because it got into our nursing homes like we saw across the country early on in the covid spread. looking at a 1.5% mortality rate in the county, which is a population of 67,670 people. certainly, not a huge number, but higher than anyone would like. that is what we are really trying to get around our hands around and back under control. >> so mayor, we are eight months in and obviously north dakota doesn't feel like eight months because we are in the northeast had it more severely early on.

we are eight months into this being a pandemic. depending on who you ask, it may be another five months before we got virus vaccines distribute ed. may be longer than that. what do you need to make people take this seriously? hand washing and san tieitizing wearing masks? >> one component we needed is a state mandate of trafficmasks. that is what the governor did. i think what we do need in north dakota, but nationally, is we need a second round of stimulus. we will see businesses not temporarily close, but permanently close. i think what often times people forget is the psychological impact it has on people worrying about their jobs and how they will pay their bills. if we get a second round of stimulus through whether it is

the better unemployment in the events that businesses do close down, but what we are looking for here at least in minot, is individual targeted economic components where we target the bar and restaurants to be able to close them down, but not have to close to the point where they close forever. we talked about trying to get a package put together to cover a portion of the costs. close them down for a period of time and still have the employees be able to get unemployment and that would help, i think, eliminate the large gatherings. we need tools and not having the financial aspect of that. it is very difficult to get a lot of the ideas put into action. >> you speak for many american mayors in saying that. mayor, thank you for joining me. good luck in minot, north

dakota. i'll be in the dakotas next week. joining me is a friend of the program. the founding director for national preparedness and pandemic response and resource initiative and a public health analy analyst. good to see you. i'm glad we will at some point be talking about actual vaccine distribution. that is not going to come before thanksgiving. in most cases, it is likely not going to come before christmas. what do you want people to be thinking about in the next five days? >> hi, ali. the next five days is really important as the mayor was just saying to stake this seriously. we have the possibility of our beloved thanksgiving holidays turning into spreader events all over the country. we have been saying big parties

on thanksgiving and funerals by christmas because people are not paying attention. the rules are simple and basic. you have gone over them. the mayor did which is you need to wear a mask and distance and use hand sanitizer. for thanksgiving, a number of things we would like to advise people. first of all, keep the guest list small. very, very small. really limit it if you can to household members only. that is what we are doing. i think that is what people recommend. the second thing is if people are in the household or another guest you invite, we need to make sure they are free of the covid virus by testing. they may need to quarantine. the next thing is what about travel? getting to the thanksgiving dinner or if you must go somewhere else this year, train, airplane? no. you can't do that. if you need to go some place

quickly, by car with the windows rolled down. that is important. stay away from airports and train stations. the final thing is on the positive side. we are holding a big thanksgiving party. we are doing it virtually. we will do it a couple of hours after we finish our meal together and we have 25 or 30 of our favorite other guests. we will all join in a virtual zoom or one of the other platforms party. my brother will be the emcee. we will encourage the kids to tell kriddles or create likenes or appropriate interaction. we recommend that. those are the things we have been saying about thanksgiving fthanksgiving. our hope is everyone stays safe. there is an opportunity for gatherings beyond the household

to cause spread and infection in people. we want to avoid that, ali. >> irwin, places are asking for people to get tested. this is the first time since mara lch a lot of americans are trying to go out and get tested. they are realizing this is weirdly hard. it is more difficult to get a test and result in a timely fashion than you would expect eight months into a pandemic for something you and others were saying we should have gotten right months ago. >> yeah. you know, the other thing is complications that due with the nature of the coronavirus. let's say you contact with somebody who has it. whether you know it or not, it takes, even if you get infected from the contact, it takes between 3 and 10 days for the results to show up positive on the testing. we have this lag period which is a dangerous interval where the

susceptibility to the virus and infection of the virus may happen without you actually being aware of it. which is why exactly, ali, we like people to this year and if we do things right, next year will be different and somewhat back to normal. this year, household only at your family thanksgiving dinner. you know, next year, if the vaccine works and it is distributed to everybody, we get back to some semblance of normalcy with the holiday season. >> places like i am in philadelphia are mandating. no members who are not from your household. irwin, thank you for continuing to be with us to make this clear. the national director for the center of pandemic prepareprepa. president trump is getting

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donald trump, like the sore loser, he is being, wants to get to re-election. so far the courts have not been on his side. by our count, republican groups have filed 35 lawsuits to try to delay the final vote counts in six swing states. not one court has found an instance of voter fraud.

ten lawsuits are active. 23 denied, dismissed, settled or withdrawn. nine suits dismissed by the trump campaign or republican interests. two cases, judges ruled lawyers failed to provide factual basis or any evidence for the claims. think about that. no evidence for their claims. they just made stuff up. these attorneys are throwing nonsense at the wall and seeing what sticks. so far, no dice. the disregard for evidence is perpetrated by the side show that is donald trump's legal team. the main guy leading trump's effort hasn't seen the inside of a courtroom in nearly three decades. that is until wednesday when rudy giuliani represented the trump campaign in a pennsylvania federal court. his appearance would have been comical if it were not down right sad and embarrassing. he pushed conspiracy theories. spent time arguing a claim deleted from the lawsuit. at one point, when alleging

voter fraud in philadelphia and pittsburgh, two democratic cities, giuliani said, just get rid of those ballots, your honor. the rest of the state looks peachy keen to us. that was followed by the news conference that was so ridiculous, it put to shame the previous outing at the four seasons total landscaping. the one next to the crematorium and naughty bookstore. the former new york city mayor claimed he had enough evidence of voter fraud to overturn the election. the evidence he laid out included more conspiracy theories with issues from "my cousin vinny" and statements from hugo chavez who has been dead for seven years. >> this is enough to overturn any election. >> that is when they came in the back door with the mail-in ballots. >> your question is

fundamentally flawed when you are asking where's the evidence. you clearly don't understand the legal process. >> did you watch "my cousin vinny." the nice lady who said she saw and then he says to her how many fingers do i got up? >> your eyes did not deceive you. that was a hair dye dripping down his face. donald trump has a better chance of developing covid-19 therapeutic with bleach than he does in overturning the election with this legal team. he is eroding our trust. he is convincing his supporters that joe biden's election is legitimate. coming up, the trump campaign hail mary attempt to overturn in

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as it dawns on the president his lawsuits are failing in court, he is leading a last-ditch effort from getting the votes certified. georgia certified yesterday after the hand recount awarding the electoral college votes to bob woodwa joe biden. trump is narrowing in on michigan which will certify in the coming days. he tried to cozy up to two leading republican state legislators from michigan. that seemed to back fire. after meeting with trump yesterday, the michigan legislators see no reason to overturn biden's projected win. the president-elect received support in the state from urban areas like detroit's wayne county. unsurprisingly, throws the same

places where trump's legal team is refuting the results. rudy giuliani said this week, quote, it changes the result of the election in michigan if you take out wayne county. of course it does. wayne county is the most populous in the state. heavily democratic. it happens to be a lot of black voters who broke heavily for biden. it is clear what they are trying to say with the fight. it is too loud to be called a dog whistle. i'm joined by the michigan lieutenant governor. the wayne county native. and roland martin. good morning to both of you, gentlemen. good to see you. lieutenant governor, you are a man who does speak your mind. i'm not worried about this. i'll kick it off with roland in case he wants to say something that a man of our august office cannot say to the things the trump administration is

targeti targeting. atlanta, milwaukee, detroit. something is going on here. i don't see them challenging the results in rural north carolina where republicans won. >> no, they are not. it is a vicious assault on black voters across the country. then trying to mask this thing by saying, no, no, no. these are democratic strongholds. there are a lot of white democratic strongholds that you are not seeing this. this shows gross disrespect of the republican party. this is why i condemned them with the voter suppression. they have wanted to attack black voters and do you know why i'm equally offended by all of the black republicans who are silent and watching this. it should be a roll call, herschel walker and jones and angie stanton. senator tim scott. daniel cameron. all of you all.

spoke at the conventioconventio. all talking about blacks for trump. you are seeing what is happening here. this is why they should lose in georgia. i hope black folks turn out like they did for nelson mandela in south africa because we need a massive new voter law to restore the voting rights act and show these republicans who want to continue to attack black people that you will pay a price for this and shame on trump and any republican who is silent about what he is doing. >> roland, you get the venmo prize for mentioning nelson mande mande mande mandela 30 minutes in the show. you and i were on together the night the canvassers in the city of detroit in wayne county first voted not to certify and then voted to certify. since then, i have been hearing from people whose level of alarm

about the outcome of the election has raised because they are saying if there is anything to this, if transparendonald tr influence legislators in michigan to fiddle with the election, then anything is fair game. pennsylvania becomes fair game. what do you think is happening and what will happen? >> what is happening is clear and to roland's point. they were specific in saying the wayne county board of canvassers when they tried to pull their s shenanigans. they wanted to certify all except detroit. livonia has a number one majority of white voters. this is a clear strategy as roland's indicated. the legislators do not have a role to play in this process. despite the field trip the michigan republicans took the of oval office yesterday, there is nothing to do. the election is over.

president trump lost by a margin 15 times greater than he won in 2016. joe biden will be the next president. i expect the state board of canvassers to do their job on monday to certify the election results that all 83 counties have certified and we will seat joe biden and move on for him to be the next president. >> go ahead, roland's. >> what is more nefarious is when you see all of these republicans touting look at the increase in black and latino support for donald trump and it is the policies. they have never wanted to compete for our votes. what they wanted to do is diseven franchidi disevdi disenfranchised us. it was always to suppress the vote. that's why i'm glad people are turning out. i'm telling you right now, if

any republican continues to remain silent, we will remember every single one of you and when it comes to 2022 and 2024. you will pay a price. black people and others are not going remain silent when we see what is going on. the republicans of 2020 are no different than the southern dixie crap in the '50s and '60s. there is no difference. >> lieutenant governor, that is an interesting point. what you saw was remarkable african-american turnout in the election. to see whether it is in pittsburgh or philadelphia or wisconsin or atlanta or wayne county, detroit. to see the efforts that people are going to and saying the quiet power out loud like rudy giuliani did. you don't count those ballots or take wayne county out of michigan, trump would have won. that has to empower voters more

to say we did come out and vote. we did have a remarkable impact on the outcome and still they tried to do this. >> we won this election and what you have seen is that black detroit voters like me, like my wife, we spoke with a strong voice. we helped to deliver the state of michigan deliver the state of pennsylvania and deliver the state of georgia and deliver the state of wisconsin. when we vote, we win. that is the message i take from 2020 and i expect black voters and the democratic coalition. when we turn out people, despite increased republican turnout. we got more people to vote. that is why we won. we will continue to focus on mobilizing voters from every community of every background. that is the key to the victories we win in georgia and the key to the victory we will win going forward. s>> lieutenant governor, thank you for joining us.

roland's, thank y roland, thank you. we will have more tomorrow when the secretary of state will join me here on msnbc. straight ahead, two doctors here to answer your questions. questions i have about how to navigate this holiday season. the travel involved. the gatherings that you may have. how to navigate this safely as covid cases surge. before we go to break, an update on the story. kyle writ ten hourittenhouse ma yesterday. the 17-year-old from illinois was charged with murder after fatally shot two men and wounded a third in the jacob blake shooting protest in august. according to his attorney, contributions from the mypillow founder mike lindel allowed him to get enough money for bail.

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all right. less than a week away from thanksgiving. we are all confronting the new result. coronavirus is surging across the country. for many, the idea of sharing a big meal will not be safe. what are the risks and how do we keep each other safe as possible? joining me is dr. vin gupta. he knows about the bigger picture here, but also has been treating people from day one for coronavirus in an area that has been a real hot spot for it. vin, good to see you. let's get to questions. i have one from someone who wishes to remain anonymous. probably bought you will get in trouble. my daughter's college is

shifting to 100% virtual after the thanksgiving break. she has to come home. we are testing and masking at home with the quarantine period. my 85-year-old parents are accustomed to visiting our household and using our basement gym three times a week. how do we keep them away after the college kid returns? would a negative covid test change anything? >> good morning, ali. this is a really important question. i'm glad the person asking the question has her daughter staying put once she comes home from thanksgiving. i recommend here is at least a week of masking and having her older parents or grandparents stay away for that week period. at that point, with her daughter masking and doing the appropriate infection control

measures and saying as far as s possible from others in the house. good through a drive-thru nose swab. if a week after arrival and you get a negative test. you can feel confident it is not a false negative. then you can have the potential to have the grandparents come back in. >> and this is important that irwin made earlier. you may not test positive until 3 to 10 infect infected. >> that is really important. say somebody has a close contact. that initial 72 hours after the close contact with somebody who may be covid positive. we think the false negative rate is quite high. that initial 72 hours after close contact or traveling. three days testing is vital.

multiple tests in the 3 to 8 day window and based on the lit t r literature i have seen. that is when we think the chance of false negative test especially with the pcr test. the lab based test is less likely. that is why you want to make sure you wait about a week at least before this daughter gets tested. masking and quarantining and keeping elderly grandparents away. >> i'm impressed by the 85-year-old grandparents working out three days a week. it shames me. beverly has an email. my husband who is 87 had a mild case of coronavirus in april. should he get a vaccination? it might be january or february or march before he is able to get a vaccination. what do you think about that? from antibodies will he have and will it be safe for somebody of

that age to get a vaccination? >> he should absolutely get vaccinated. ali, that is the promise of the pfizer vaccine in particular. also moderna and what they released in the press release. both vaccines seem like they are very effective in our elderly individuals. about the age of 65. whether he has been infected or not does not matter when it comes to getting a vaccine. we know the antibodies that are acquired from natural infection go away. they go away within a few months of the infection. i would highly encourage this individual to get vaccinated and ignore the fact they had a prior infection. >> hmm. we will learn more about this as time goes by. we will test all of those people who had coronavirus early and determine when they don't have the antibodies. i want to bring dr. stanford. a pediatric and general surgeon

in the philadelphia area. the founder of black doctors covid consortium. a place where people can get help and testing for coronavirus if they think they are exposed. good to see you. thank you for being with us. i want to ask a question from somebody who would like their name withheld. i'm almost 79 years old. my friend since third grade invited me to join her and her 25-year-old son for thanksgiving dinner. her son is a substitute teacher in an in-person high school. i would like to go, but am hesitant. >> you are correct to be hesita hesitant. i applaud you to listen to what is happening in the world. zoom or drive-by in your car to wave from a distance from a door step would be phenomenal. if you come into that household, you are in the household of the

teacher, the bubble and all of the kids they see and every other person that is in that house when you are high risk. you have to protect yourself and how that person shows that love to you is saying i understand and will catch up maybe in the summer or next year. >> it is so hard because we show love in person. we show love by feeding people. we do that kind of thing. one of the things you alluded to leads to my next question. i decided not to go to any holiday events right now because that is what is needed for everyone to be safe. it is important to address mental struggle for those much us making the tough but mindful choice to stay home. what are the ways to care for ourselves to not be depressed or focus on what we are able to do? dr. stanford, we had a version of this question since march. dealing with grief or dealing with family members you are not

around or ailing family members or grief where you lost someone and cannot attend a funeral. this is so much more prevalent than before coronavirus. >> it is. memories in video and pictures. having an exercise where you have someone say what is your most favorite memory from the thanksgiving holiday. young folks and family that can put together a video that you guys can all look at simultaneously. you know, i find that there are more things that i'm blessed about that i'm despondant about. every day you wake up and see a sunrise and sunset. knowing this is not finite is something. then, you know, you can still be outside. just not outside in large groups

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with the holidays right around the corner, cases of covid-19 continue to surge across the united states. it's now leaving millions of americans wondering about best practices to balance our needs and wants with staying safe. back with me to answer the questions you've submitted to me are dr. vin gupta and ayla stanford. the question is how do you make a guilt-free un-invitation to

thanksgiving dinner due to covid-19? i suspect that might happen. people had p who had plans are rethinking them. >> i would go as far as citing cdc guidelines that recommendations are not to congregate indoors with others that you don't live with. i think that is now becoming more broadly known and hopefully no one is going to take it personally if you're citing cdc guidelines to uninvite yourself from thanksgiving dinner. dr. sanford, the question is why isn't there more coverage about the high false negative tests in a testing is important but people need to understand the limitations. a negative test isn't a green light to go live your life and expose others. >> here's the thing, if you have symptoms and your test is

negative, that's just common sense. you might want to get retested. perhaps the test was premature, perhaps your specimen was indeterminate and there was not enough mucous on your specimen tip. so if you're still symptomatic, you should get retested and it doesn't stop you from wearing a mask, practicing social distancing just because you are or you presume that you're negative because it's only negative in that moment that you took the test. but not at a point when you go to the grocery store and interact with other folks because that test is honestly negated. >> when donald trump got out of the hot, his first words were he is now immune. can you tell us how long you can be prevented from getting it.

>> love that. in the now 15,000 people that we have tested for coronavirus in philadelphia and southeastern p.a., wo p.a., we're testing for antibodies at three months, six months, nine months. you don't know how long it will lasts are if it will drop off at nine months or six months. so i do believe there's some degree of immunity that's conferred when your body generates antibodies, but again. >> w-- everyone who has coronavirus does not get them and you can't assume you're going to be protected. >> i appreciate the time you've both taken to do the work that

you're doing. dr. stanford, the testing that you're doing in an area that it's hard to get testing particularly with the african-american community and dr. gupta, the work you've been doing in emergency rooms right from the beginning of this. dr. ayla is the founder of black medical consortium. still to come, an icu nurse who is has been the front lines and has not gotten a test yet. she told her story and it brought joe biden to tears. it brought joe biden to tears

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