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souls. while this reeks havoc on the u.s. population, donald j. trump who was voted out of office and yet to concede is trying to find a way to overturn the will of the american voter but at least, he may be running out of options. a federal judge in pennsylvania dismissed another of his doomed frivolous lawsuits saying it contained no merit. trump may finally be coming to term with the reality he lost the election weighing future options which include having private conversations about life behind the white house. we'll have conversations about trump trying to steal the election from the american people. but the centers for disease control issued a stark warning advising americans not to travel for thanksgiving. dr. henry walk, the incident manager of the cdc says the tragedy that could happen is one
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of your family members is coming to this family gatherings and could end up severely ill, hospitalized or dying. we don't want that to happen. multiple reports say hospitalizations up nearly 50% in america over the past two weeks have exceeded 82,000 nationwide just for covid patients. plus, vox reporting hospitals across the country are reporting critical staff shortages and they may only grow worse in the weeks to come as thousands of 1 million americans diagnosed with covid-19 in the past week begin to require hospitalization. >> on the cusp of things going from ugly to horrible and that's where they're living right now. >> the emotional and physical stress is exhausting, absolutely exhausting. i don't know how we are getting through it. >> from coast-to-coast, local
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governments are taking a defensive posture to slow or reduce the growing spread. "the new york times" saying as the united states breaks record after record some cities hope nightly curfews will stop the coronavirus from leaping to person to person at bars, par parties and other nocturnal events. a measure more often imposed to calm public unrest, curfew. minnesota issued a ban on indoor dining and shut down gyms and theaters through december 18th. in newark, new jersey, the mayor issued a ten-day stay -at-home order beginning on wednesday. all non-essential businesses are asked to shut down. the city is closing select streets to residents from 8:00 p.m. to 3:00 a.m. in a more dramatic move last monday the new mexico governor put back in place stay-at-home orders as cases surge. only essential businesses,
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grocery stores and pharmacies will remain open. the partial shutdown is a last resort many areas hope to hold off. >> well, you know, we had a lull and our numbers went down and i think that covid fatigue set in. people started to relax and wanted to go back to previous behaviors and unfortunately, you know, the virus was all around us. it was in arizona. it was in texas. it was in all the other states and we started having increasing numbers. >> turning to ohio which is also seeing a big spike in coronavirus cases, valerie castro joins us live from outside the cleveland clinic with the latest. valerie, this is an interesting case because the governor of ohio is a republican and been at the front end of the measures after reimposing certain measures, took it on the chin from donald trump who didn't agree with that but the cleveland clinic is one of the foremost health clinics in the country in a state that is now
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seeing another spike. >> reporter: good morning, ali. that's right. there is a spike in cases here in ohio. there have been 16,000 new cases reported in just the last two days. 4,000 hospitalizations and a quarter of those are now in the icu and the cleveland clinic is also being affected. today reporting about 1,000 health care workers are now out sick. the ohio hospital association says 20% of hospitals across the state are reporting staffing shortages as cases continue to rise in all 88 counties here in ohio. it was a rapid progression here at the cleveland clinic on november 9th. 300 workers were outside with covid-19. yesterday that number was 925 and again today, we're hearing it is now closer to 1,000 workers out sick and those numbers continue to rise. this morning we spoke to a nurse manager from akron general hospital. she took to facebook a few days ago in a post to talk about her frustration, how exhausted she
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is and to plead with people to please be careful. she said the one thing she can't treat as a health care worker is the fear she's seeing in her patients' eyes once they head to the icu. there is no medicine or treatment to take away the fear and she wants people to hear her story and that's why she took to facebook. this is what she had to say about it. >> i started seeing a lot of posts online and just hearing from just the general public about maybe it's being blown out of proportion or political. those types of things. when you're on the groundworking through it day to day, like everybody on my team said, i know, i have friends and family that don't think it's real and ask me how bad is this? just seeing those things was just really gut wrenching for us to watch what our patients go through. >> reporter: and even here at the cleveland clinic, they're dealing with some of the same things.
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the cleveland clinic put out a service announcement pleading with people, wash your hands, practice social distancing and of course, wear a mask. that's probably the best gift, the best way to say thank you to a health care worker this holiday season. ali? >> so valerie, back in april and may and june when things were serious as they were, we could at least move nurses around the country. many of them did go to other places. now with 82,000 people hospitalized in the country, most hospitals are short of staff themselves and then unbelievably, as you said, the cleveland clinic may have 1,000 staff out because of coronavirus and that's the kind of thing that's repeating across the country. they don't have nurses to spare. they don't have enough for themselves. >> reporter: right, in the grand scheme of things there are thousands of workers here at the cleveland clinic. it's a small percentage out sick but you have to take into account how long they are out
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for. this is not a fast recovery and anyone around them is subject to the 14-day quarantine period. it puts a strain on everyone. >> valerie, thanks for joining us from cleveland. >> let's turn to wisconsin who seen prolific cases. the wisconsin department of health services wrote it is with great sadness we report wisconsin reached another grim milestone in the covid-19 pandemic. just over 3,000 people have died from the virus. the democratic mayor of madison, the capitol of wisconsin. she made history becoming the city's first openly gay mayor. those kind of celebrations are cut short by the work you have to do today. madison is a beautiful city where in the early fall people would be out in the streets and one familiar thing they would have is students everywhere. it is a beautiful city of government officials, of
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workers, of students and you are begging people to change their way of life right now particularly in the seweek of celebration. >> good morning, ali, that's right. we're really asking people to do everything they can to stay home and to not gather with people that are outside of their household. this virus is just too dangerous and too easily transmitted and the numbers in madison and wisconsin are really concerning and we really need people to, you know, just dig in for the next couple weeks and try and bring down the spike that we're seeing in new coronavirus cases. >> and you have put a few orders into place including one that applies to people that do not live together, not gathering. you require face coverings. you limit the capacity of most businesses to about 50%. what is working and what might you need to do more of or what is not working? >> you know, one of the things we really try to do throughout
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this pandemic is follow the data and learn as much as we can from contact tracing and so we are seeing right now that a number of the cases, at least 30% are from people who are gathering often indoors, often without masks and with people not in their household and that might be small parties, birthday parties, halloween events and we're actually seeing an unfortunate trend of people leaving the county to counties that have less restrictions and going to weddings and then coming back and bringing the virus with them, and so we just really need folks to, you know, we put in the orders that we can but we need people to follow them and we need to say the red re -- rhetoric here hearing from people at the state level doesn't help because people question whether this is actually really a serious
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concern and whether they really are at risk and we need people to know that they are at risk and that it does take all of us to stop the transmission of this virus. >> you are one of those great cities in america where a lot of your population typically during the school year is made up of students. what's the situation there with the badgers? >> well, the university of wisconsin, i think, has done a really good job of trying to manage this virus. they have a robust testing scheme. they have many classes virtual, though not all of them. testify the can after the thanksgiving break, they are going to fully virtual and encouraging students that don't live off campus to stay home and to not come back to madison. which is of course, super sad for us, right? we are a student town in many ways and, you know, students bring a lot of energy to our community and so that's very sad but it is unfortunately, really
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the safest thing at this point. >> the question that we have for so many towns like your cities across america, is a city that has restaurants and shops and places that people go. these businesses generally speaking have three months worth of money at best. they don't have six months or eight months or nine months or a year and we may be several months away from a broad distribution of vaccine. obviously, you get some understandable push back from businesses that don't want restrictions and they want to be able to open. how are you managing that? >> well, you know, again, we're really trying to follow the data and see where is the infection happening? right? so we're allowing places that we're not seeing transmission or people who are really doing a good job of managing, you know, for example providing ppe or the proper distancing that they can still continue to function and we are asking, you know, if it's possible for folks to work from
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home that they do that and we do -- we are really trying to be targeted and data driven in the orders we're releasing. it been really, really difficult for our small business community and they have gotten some help from the state and from the county and we're doing what we can. we did the street dining program and, you know, we've lifted the parking restrictions and waived fees for small businesses but there is no question that the longer this goes on, the harder it is for our small businesses and that's why it's so important that everybody dig in now and really try and stop this virus in its tracks so our small business community has a chance of recovering. >> well, the good thing in madison is you're not scared of cold so you can sit outside longer than most of us and dine. thank you for being with us. the mayor of madison, wisconsin. for those of you that have not been there, when this thing
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ends, go to madison, it's one of the finest places in america but these businesses have a tough time and next week i'll be taking velshi across america back on the road to talk to businesses and workers suffering because of coronavirus. we'll be doing that for the next several weeks. joining me now sis a medica director and msnbc medical contributor. good to see you again. thank you for being with us. there are endless questions, what we learned on saturday is there are endless questions people have about best practices this week, a week that involves travel. a week that involves seeing family or if you're not traveling to see family, a week that is involving some great anxiety and mental stress for a lot of americans who really thought in march and april, at least i'll be able to be with my family for thanksgiving and that may not be the case. this is possibly going to be one of the hardest few weeks for us and that will be combined with
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the fact we'll see more spread because of the gatherings for thanksgiving. what are you thinking right now? >> good morning, ali. you got it right. the thing that drove it home for me is a tweet from one of the prior cdc directors that said better a zoom thanksgiving than an icu christmas and that's really what we're worried about when you heard the mayor say, the people from higher risk areas will travel to lower risk areas and meeting other people within their family but who are considered outside of their household. so they are bringing the risk of the activities they may have had and community they are in and traveling through the planes, as of friday 1 million americans flew this friday despite cdc warnings and actives they might conduct, including a lot of people indoors eating together, not wearing a mask and what we know from cdc data, that secondary household attack rates in one of the newest studies, 50%, you're going to potentially pass that on to other people in
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your family. so some of the best practices are of course, do not travel this year if you do not have to. you know, you could reduce the risk of those prior activities by quarantining and getting a test before you get on the plane. while on the plane wearing a personal protective equipment and when you get to where you're getting, quarantining within your household. if you have a college student who came home who you couldn't keep away, make sure if you have the capacity to do this, this their own room, own bathroom, open the windows, wear masks indoors, keep the gatherings still as small as you can and make sure that to termpotential can get a test while at home before they merge with the rest of the family. >> dr. selene gounder was on the other day and she expects administration to invoke the defense production act to get the ppp necessary. i think some people thought it weird in april that the richest
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country in the world doesn't have ppp but we didn't think this would happen. it's unconscionable in november we're talking to doctors still reusing n 95 masks. n 95 masks used over a long time lose their fit. not just that they're dirty but lose their ability to hold the disease away. so at some point, this needs to change. we don't need to be three months down the road and still talking to doctors and nurses that don't have the necessary protective equipment. >> absolutely, ali. just to talk out that study that you talked about is an abstract from a recent research that we're going to hopefully see published but we're seeing what they showed is when people wear their n 95s, which most of america doesn't know the way health care workers get around part of that shortage is they reuse n 95s, those are sing single-use masks.
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the more patients we have, the more of the personal protective equipment we have to use and reuse n 95. this study shows they become less effective. the concern is health care workers as they are are tired and if our personal protective equipment is not matching our need and potentially failing after multiple uses, you're setting a scenario where more health care workers will get sick and exactly at the beginning of the segment you talked about, as more health care workers get sick, they leave work. they potentially expose other health care workers who have to be quarantined and leave more under manned than before everything started. that's why so important that defense production act goes into action not just for personal protective equipment, ali but medications. we've seen shortages of every type and that will only get worse as the numbers of patients increase. >> yeah, we only saw it actually brought into play in the meat packing industry to protect employers against liability if their employees got sick because so many meat workers were
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getting sick. talk to me about regeneron. this is getting fda approval. the president got this when he had coronavirus. >> regeneron had a product similar to eli lilly that got emergency use authorization. they are a close of drugs that are cloned antibodies from a survivor very effective at blocking the virus and what they do is actually that. it blocks the virus at the point it uses to enter the human cell. the studies in both cases show they are useful early in diseases, not useful once they are hospitalized or have an oxygen requirement but an infusion. there are a couple concerns. they show some province. they seem to decrease people's need to get medical care or hospitalized, they need to be given as ininfusiofusion. helpful but this won't be the
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silver bullet. it will be art of the arsenal. >> good to see you again. thank you. the director of special pathogens unit at the boston medical center. american democracy is under pressure. we'll break down what is at stake as the trump administration continues to challenge election results but if you wonder what barack obama has been up to, he was stopped by jimmy kimmel with a very special surprise for one obama super fan. >> the retired auditors are actually my favorite. they were always coming up to me saying things like oh my god, bar barack, i love you, my name is joyce taylor. joyce, was that a good impression of you? joyce, what's going on? [ applause ] >> how are you? >> i'm fine. >> joyce, it's so nice to see you. [ laughter ] [ laughter ]
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last thursday, november 19th was the 157th anniversary of abraham lincoln's gettysburg address. despite being fewer than 275 words, it's considered one of the greatest political speeches given. in it, lincoln emphasized healing our divided nation and preserving the union while bringing equality to all its
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si citizens and just as memorable as the words four score and seven years ago with which it begins is lincoln's conclusion that a government of the people by the people for the people shall not parish from the earth. emphasizing faith in our form of self-government. it used to be obvious what he meant. everyone gets to vote and their votes create and empower the government. i don't think i'm exaggerating to say that idea felt recently like it's slipping away. the trump campaign's dozens of baseless lawsuits about the election for which trump himself set the stage before the election makes clear that t democracy in america is pressure. the will of the people is what trump and enablers are fighting against in the courts and legislatures, in their brazen attempt to change the outcome of the 2020 election. it's mostly conspiracy theories, racism and word salad yet most republicans in power seem to be fine silting tting bay and watc
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the protest spilled blood and went to jail for erode in front of them. this week "the washington post" reached out to all 53 sitting republican senators for comment on trump's efforts to overturn votes in various states. fewer than ten senators' offices responded. of those who did, most designed to comment. 80% of republican senators are avoiding us on a serious issue. most people, most of you i'm sure believe this will work out and at noon on january 20th, joe biden will be sworn in as the 26th preside2 46th president of the united states. trump has the chance to convince more people there is something flawed about election results. there isn't. trump's only problem with the election is that he didn't win it. period. and now he is just undermining not just the votes of nearly 80 million people who chose joe biden but the votes of more than 154 million people who believed in the very system that has been
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the deadline is fast approaching. they are trying to stop processes in michigan and pennsylvania, two dates that are expected to certify their votes tomorrow. just yesterday, rnc chair romney mcdaniel asked state canvassers to adjourn for 14 days to delay the certification. they are due without evidence there is ramped fraud in wayne county and home to detroit. a city with a majority black population. their claims of fraud are so e gr egregious, the naacp filed a lawsuit for targeting black voters. the trump's campaign last-minute attempt to throw out votes is happening in pennsylvania. votes in philadelphia and pittsburgh, also two cities with large minority populations should be tossed out because republican on servers we eze ob able to watch ballots sorted closely enough. it was looked at by a federal
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judge who said quote that's not how the constitution works for their claim observers didn't have adequate access to the vote count, they offered no evidence their watchers were treated differently than those from the biden campaign. since the election the court claims are 0-26. in wisconsin the trump campaign is paying for a recount but there is a twist. instead of shelling out $7.9 million to do a statewide recount, the campaign filed a $3 million petition to recount votes only in, get this, milwaukee and dane county. dane county is madison. i just spoke to the mayor of da madison. why these counties? you know the answer. i'm joined by janelle and christian clacris kristen clark, a former federal prosecutor and director of the national lawyers committee for civil rights under law. thank you to both of you for
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being here. janelle, put the people trying to answer my quiz out of their misery about what philadelphia, milwaukee, atlanta and detroit all have in common. >> they all have very large black populations. most of them are 40% black or more. so these are cities where not only are they -- do they have large black populations but home to the largest portion of the black population in those states. for example, were the i guess republican members of the wayne county elections board able to go ahead with what they planned, which was to simply hold off on certifying the votes in detroit but go ahead and certify all the votes in the predominantly white suburban areas around it, they would have effectively nullified the votes of half of michigan's black population. there are similar stories if you take a look at the data out of philadelphia. similar stories in many other
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states as well as georgia. >> and kristen, you know a thing or two about both the law and civil rights. the judge in philadelphia, the pennsylvania made quite clear you can't just actually pick and choose black people's votes to disenfranchise people but this clown car of lawyers administration has running across the country is trying this technique. they are trying to suggest they want to throw out the black democratic votes in these places and without them things would be fine. giuliani actually said that about pennsylvania. giuliani said that about wayne county in michigan. he said if you take out the wayne county votes, donald trump won michigan except you can't take the black people out of the vote. >> this is one of the most insidious efforts that we have seen to systematically disenfranchise black voters and voters of color after the fact,
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plain and simple. these cases are falling one by one. there have been over three dozen lawsuits filed by president trump and allies to date challenging or tempting to frankly requite the election outcome and they are all failing. they had about 1.5 victories out of about 40 suits. last night's decision issued by judge brand shutting down the pennsylvania lawsuit is perhaps one of the most significant blows to date. it tore apart the claims that had been mounted by president trump himself and there is language where the judge talked about this thing, a frankenstein monster, legal theories stitched together and just not buying it or seeing any basis to disenfranchise 7 million voters. when you look at the map of cases, where these cases have been brought, it's clear and
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undeniable that there is a systematic foe kicus on black vs and voters of color period point blank. we started this year off with the rallying cry that black lives matter and we close out the year with the rallying cry that black voters matter. our votes are not expandable so we'll keep fighting until the bitter end of this desperate last-ditch effort by president trump to maintain his grip on power at the expense of black votes. not going to happen. >> you tweeted yesterday that this should be, last night, after the pennsylvania ruling, you tweeted what i was thinking, that this should be the nail on the coffin ofploitation the rul voters are protected. these are hallmarks of american democracy. i feel less naive now that you
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tweeted that. every time i think this should be it something else comes along. trump's lawyer sydney porter said she is -- georgia is the state she's going after next. it will fall and it will be a biblical proportions is what she said. i think she's making it up. you would know better than i am. >> right, and the campaign has also indicated they will appeal the pennsylvania ruling to the third circuit, but i think judge brand, a federal society member by the way, i think judge brand's decision is airtight. he talks about the parade of lawyers that handled this case. you had texas lawyers join the case and drop off and giuliani show up at the last minute. i think the third circuit, if they do take the ridiculous step of appealing this case will see this for what it is, a sham, a sham baseless, frivolous attempt to challenge the election outcome.
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we're all growing tired of it and the courts are, too. it's really time for the president to hang it up and put to bed these efforts to lock voters out, to lock black voters out in particular. that's not how democracy works. >> so janelle, kristen points out we had the beginning of the year with black lives matter and then it became black votes matter. you were out in the street for a lot of it. you covered both sides of this and talked to a lot of african americans and black people in the streets of america who have really spent six or eight months wondering whether their lives matter and then being made to realize how much their votes matter. what does this particular thing do to the people you're talking to? does item power people to say, no, no, it matters and i'm out there voting or is it a reaffirmation of the fact it doesn't matter what happens, black people continue to be persecuted and held back as a
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different kind of citizen than whites in this country? >> i think that the election, the general election outcome probably tells us much more than any bit of analysis from anyone, certainly many people i talked to have expressed grave reservations about how well federal government or local government works for them but i've never spoken to anyone who said so, i just throw my hands up on the whole thing. not one. if that's the way you feel, you don't bother to protest. you protest because you believe something else is possible. and i really think that what you see in the tremendous turnout numbers, particularly in the cities that the trump camp has opted to target and try to eliminate these votes tells you everything you need to know both about the reality these votes not only matter but definitive in this election but more over it tells you that people are
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certainly passionate about their poll lit ke political representation and you'll probably see that for years to come. >> then you both give me hope. thank you to both of you. thanks for your excellent reporting all year. janelle ross and kristen clark is the president and director of lawyer's committee for civil rights under law. thanks for all you do. missouri health director resigned from her post after receiving a slew of death threats and harassing messages because she was trying to keep the public safe and enforce covid protocol. she joins me with her story next. protocol she joins me with her story next alice loves the scent of gain so much, she wished there was a way to make it last longer. say hello to your fairy godmother alice. and long-lasting gain scent beads. part of the irresistible scent collection from gain!
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i want to read you something. this is an account from the front lines of the covid case. it's an uncontrolled spread. i have moments it feels like i'm a nurse at the bedside and may patient is dying and i have every possible intervention to save them. more mask, contact tracing and warnings and more warnings. what else can we try? it doesn't matter what you do, nothing will work because it seems like the patient is resisting your help. that's a quote from my next guest, amber elliott, a nurse and former county health director in missouri. amber's urgent pleas put her in the spotlight on an issue that
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shouldn't be political but it is. she's been subject to harassment and had people follow her and she's received death threats. it became so much she resigned from her job. her last day was friday. amber's situation is extreme but not unique. health care and front line workers around the country, the same people who risked their lives to save ours have been needlessly caught in a political game. their warnings and pleas falsely pointed as partisan despite surging cases and increasing deaths. amber elliott joins me now, she's the former director of the st. francis county health center. thank you for joining us. i spoke to a nurse yesterday and today. both talked about the fact they are tending to patients who tell them they are lying, this they don't have covid, that it all part of a hoax yet, they have to tend to them and actually infew bait th -- infew bait them and save their lives when families can't be around and they are fascinated this somehow became political. >> absolutely.
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and that's the same thing we've seen here in our community, as well. you know, it's really unfortunate because it certainly has an effect on our response when we're just trying to help our communities. >> what are you facing? what's the stuff that gets people to threaten you or object to what you're doing? does it come down to? >> really, any public health messaging it seems, you know, that people disagree with. you know, that might be anything from talking about the severity of the pandemic to reporting our numbers as we report out, we used to report them daily. any time we report anything about what is going on with the pandemic, that seems to really upset people, especially people that don't feel it's either a problem or do not feel that it is as serious as what it is and certainly, anything that is talked about of importance.
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>> the -- what's the remedy for this? you talked about the fact there are things people can do until a vaccine comes around but you feel in the end the very people that need that help are resisting it. we just had a report at a cleveland clinic saying almost 1,000 of their staff are out. we can't move nurses around the country like we were doing earlier this year. at what point, what can we do about this now? >> i think it is really tough, you know, at this time, we need the community to support our public health workers and front line health care staff because they're exhausted. we need to see that the community is willing to social distance, wear masks, be really smart about gatherings, especially with thanksgiving
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coming up this week. we really need their support at this time. >> what kind of threats were you getting? >> there's been a variety of things that's happened over the last eight months. you know, one thing that sticks out is an email i got that there's a group of people watching me, following me and if i make the wrong decision or something that they don't like, you know, there will be retaliation. and then i had really the tipping point for me was when my family was photographed in public, which included my daughter and, you know, i think you have to ask yourself is it worth it at that moment, you know, are your kids' safety and will people use them as a way to get at you and that's really what brought me to my decision to leave the health department. >> what a thing, amber. you shouldn't have this face this. thank you for the work you put
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in trying to help americans and let's hope they hear that lesson. the former director of the st. francis county health center. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. well, we are taking velshi across america is taking you once again to show you how the pandemic is affecting small businesses and workers and what people are doing to try to make it to the other side until we get a vaccine. our first stop is in south dakota. i'll have more on that in just a moment. i'll have more on that in just a moment because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz. the first and only pill of its kind that treats moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, or moderate to severe ulcerative colitis when other medicines have not helped enough. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections, like tb and do blood tests. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b or c, have flu-like symptoms, or are prone to infections.
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there's no widespread fraud. and that everyone in a position of authority has every reason to stand behind the will of the voters in our state. >> that is the secretary of state of michigan jocelyn benson the center of attention right now because last night in pennsylvania, another state the trump administration is fighting the results, a judge threw out the case that you had been seeing rudy giuliani involved in earlier this week. so now the michigan secretary of state is supposed to certify the state's election to show joe biden as the winner tomorrow. there's a board of conversers that have to agree on this. donald trump and the republican party of michigan and the republican party, the head of the national republican party, are all trying to get them to delay doing that. we're not sure to what end because donald trump lost michigan quite handily. and he specifically lost wayne county, which is where detroit is, very handily. the result is they're trying to stop the certification of the results in wayne county.
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they almost succeeded the other day. it's two republicans and two democrats who certify it. the two republicans decided not to go along with it. under public pressure they decided to vote in favor of certifying it and got a phone call from donald trump and decided they wanted to change their minds about the whole thing again. bottom line is about 24 hours we should see the certifications of results from pennsylvania and from michigan and that's pretty much the whole ball game, but the way things go these days, 24 hours is a long time ago. we, of course, will keep a very, very close eye on it and provide the analysis and context you need here on msnbc. several months ago when the covid-19 pandemic first started, americans couldn't fathom this lasting longer than a few weeks. then maybe not longer than a few months. but it's now been more than eight months and we're seeing the greatest surge across the country that we have seen so far. and beyond the health concerns, the american economy has taken a huge hit. more than 100,000 u.s. businesses have already closed
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♪ there was a plan from the centralized place to execute these various acts of voter fraud. the massive fraud. how is it they all turned around? i'm sending my votes of people in michigan over to germany? i would fire everybody that was involved in this election. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy" i'm jason johnson. donald trump and his cartoon lawyer rudy giuliani's dire attempts to overturn the will of the american people continue to get smacked down. trump and his supporters
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