>> well, what i can confirm, george, is you're going to see the stirs first of the plelkt's cabinet appointments on tuesday of this week. >> this has president trump is pushing forward with his legal battle to overturn the election results despite over two dozen courtroom losses and no real evidence. his legal team is looking to appeal a court ruling in pennsylvania after a scathing rebuke from a federal judge overnight. the president is also asking for a second recount in georgia. gop allies are seeking a delay in certifying the results in michigan. this morning his fellow republicans giving mixed reviews on his legal strategy. >> these are processes that are in our constitution, in our laws, and they're not just appropriate, but they're really an obligation, frankly, to the millions of americans that president trump is a reflection of. >> the president's legal team has been a national embarrassment, and you must conclude as tucker carlson even concluded the other night, if

you're unwilling to come forward and present the evidence, it must mean the evidence doesn't exist. >> all this comes as biden's margin of victory over trump is still growing now surpassing six million votes. we have a team of reporters and panelists to go over the day's top stories. we begin with josh letterman in washington d.c. what's the latest on trump's attempt to challenge the election results? >> the president and his team continue to show failing in court as all the losses mount up with the latest being this case in pennsylvania overnight learning that is being tossed out by the judge who not only chastised the trump campaign for failing to show evidence, but also for requesting the extraordinary remedy of getting rid of millions of legally cast ballots in pennsylvania that would go along with the ballots that they would seek to challenge. now, the president's campaign is seeking an appeal of that case. but the president's team is also still flirting with this notion

that if they're not able to get their way in court, that they might seek to turn to state legislatures to intervene, set aside the votes cast by actual voters to give the election to president trump. take a listen to what the president's daughter-in-law and campaign adviser laura trump had to say this morning about that. >> to what extent? i'm curious, do you think the campaign will go? will it go to the state legislators? >> that's a possibility. we've obviously been putting forward lawsuits in states where we feel like there were egregious violations of people's rights and the way this election process played out. and we're open to anything. >> that would be an extreme long shot hail mary bid. something that hasn't been done before that rests on several questionable legal assumptions about the ability for state legislatures to really overturn the results of what voters decided to go ahead and do that. but as we are seeing in the

continued failings in court, more and more republicans coming out now to say this process has been going on too long. this is not going to serve anyone well. and that it's time for the transition to move forward. >> well, that move is certainly not something to bet the farm on, but okay. the other big story from joe biden's team. they plan to name cabinet picks on tuesday. this as his transition is in limbo as emily murphy declines to ascertain biden as the president-elect. [ chanting do your job ] >> we are joined from wilmington, delaware where members of the biden transition team share that sentiment we heard. welcome to you. what are you hearing from your sources? >> yeah. alex, that's exactly right. we've seen over the course of the last few days pressure continuing to mount on the general services administration

to ascertain this election. if you watched any of the sunday shows, all the people on in support of the biden transition were echoing the claim. incoming white house chief of staff painting the picture that washington was the last place to move on whereas in talking with bipartisan groups of governors and other organizations over the course of the last few weeks, he says he sees the rest of the country moving on in advance of joe biden being president-elect. all they need now if you're asking members of the biden transition is that to besser sta -- ascertained so they can do it in action, not just in name. that was part of the pitch along with othered a v advisers to bi. they are moving ahead on staffing and policy priorities but that in terms of combatting the coronavirus, they're not able to coordinate with people who are currently in government, so they're lacking some of the information they're going to need in order to hit the ground running come january 20th. he also responded to some

members of the trump co-vid task force who say they're not losing time and this isn't going to be detrimental to the end result come january. listen to the response. >> the trump administration has a history of failure in dealing with the co-vid crisis. including a dramatic and drastic failure on the testing challenge. and so i think just if the trump administration position is we're supposed to trust them, this is going to work out, i think that's a hard sell to the american people. >> reporter: so alex, clearly some frustration there. but in terms of staffing, speculation season is turning into selection season over here in wilmington. we knew we were going to start hearing cabinet picks around thanksgiving. claim now putting a day to it saying tuesday is the day we're going to see the first picks from biden on his cabinet. tight lipped on even what agencies we might be expecting let alone names for the agencies. this is a group if you remember back to the vice presidential

selection process, that's a name that didn't leak until this team was ready for it to be announced. they prided themselves on that and they're trying to have the same type of tight lipped approach to the cabinet rollouts. that's something we're starting to see as again, they function on two prongs. one being blocked on the information level. but b, pushing forward on policy and personnel. >> good on them for being tight lipped, but that's not going to stop you from continuing to dilg. joining me now, republican strategist and senior adviser to the lincoln project, and also the founder of the national protection action fund, and michael steele, former chair of the rnc and msnbc political lineup. all star lineup. good to have you. joe biden as we heard, will be announcing some cabinet picks this week. can he satisfy all the parts of the democratic party as he rolls out the picks? do you think there's going to be discontent from the progressives? is there any prediction on that?

>> yeah. i think he's going to have an extraordinarily talented cabinet. and if it looks anything like the transition team, that's very exciting. the transition team is 50% people of color and they are people of extraordinarily talented nature from all walks of life. here are the caveats. number one, progressives. let's set ourselves in for reality. senator warren and senator sanders are probably not good picks. because they have republican governors and republican governors have the right to replace them from members of their own party. scott brown in 2010 in massachusetts, remember that. also i think the progressives will be extraordinarily disappoint first down we see rob emanuel's pick. i think progressives would be extraordinarily disappointed if he found his way into a biden administration. but other than that, the names i'm hearing are names that are familiar to all of us on this

panel. i think progressives and moderate democrats and sensible republicans would be extraordinarily happy and i think the bottom line is you won't see island of misfit toys you saw from the current administration. >> your points about warren and sanders. they're lines of the senate. in addition you make a good point about republican governors and, thereby, further distancing the divide of georgia if they don't go to democratic hands. michael, move to the trump camp. the notion that as articulated what we heard from laura trump, would entertain going to state legislatures and sketieffectivey to steal electors. how does that fit with the constitution? >> really? they're going to start caring about the constitution now? remember that emoluments clause? that's not an issue. that's not a factor here. this has always been part of the play, and they are systemically

rolling through. confusion and lawsuits. and then we're going to drill down to election officials. we've seen them now brought to the white house. and then, of course, the next phase will be state legislators where they think they can convince to overthrow or throw out the vote of millions of americans. and particularly black and brown americans in cities like philadelphia and milwaukee and et cetera. so i think this is something that everybody just needs to continue to guard against. the courts are doing what the courts should be doing, and that is fairly taking these cases, looking at it, asking the appropriate questions and figuring out there's no case in controversy here. they're not presenting the evidence they claim. and these cases are being dismissed. you're going to see the tracks where they continue the legal

effort, but now we're going to do the political back door game with state legislators and whoa to that legislator who agrees to throw out the votes of the citizens of their state. so that's -- we'll leave that there. >> yeah. yeah. susan, i want to ask about what chris christie had to say calling the trump legal team a national embarrassment. i mean, remember, this is a guy who helped the president with debate prep. is there a message he's trying to send to the president with that kind of framing? >> yes. he's trying to stay stop it now. you have to proof. it's time to move on. i think that's exactly what chris christie was doing. he mentioned he voted for president trump twice. he now thinks it's time for him to move on to be fair also to the governor, he's been saying that since election night. either show us the proof or move on. and clearly, he's -- some republicans are ready to move on, but not nearly enough.

and i'm hoping that that will change tomorrow once we see the certification of michigan and pennsylvania happen. that will take everything off the table and then put even more pressure on emily murphy, the general service administrator to actually provide transitional services to president-elect biden. >> don, okay, i don't want to make this too easy for you, but i don't know how to phrase it, so it's challenging to a democrat who is a loyal like yourself. how about you? what do you make of the legal team? is there any bit of ground for them to stand on with their legal challenges? >> no. these claims are what we would consider speeches. that is a word that goes back centuries in the practice of law. speeches. i want to make a distinct between what rudy giuliani and the folks going on television are saying on fox news and the kradier networks and what they're saying in court. in courtrooms is going to result

on what happened with the judge yesterday in pennsylvania who is a federalist and life-long republican from the same federal society as amy coney barrett. that eviscerates the legal arguments. there are none. and i think the lawyers know there are none. perhaps they're doing it out of loyalty to the republican party and what it gets them down the road, but you cannot make arguments as an officer of the court because you have a legal career to career and you have kids to feed as we would say in the hood. one thing happening on tv, but a different thing is being said in these briefs and there are no meritorious arguments i'm saying. >> michael to you with the rnc chair sending this letter yesterday that was seeking to clarify certifying the results in michigan as the former rnc chair yourself, what do you make of mcdaniel and the rnc attaching themselves to trump's

baseless claims? >> well, it's unfortunate. she was a good chair of the state when she was chairwoman there. she's tried to navigate and manage the delicate balance between the party's independence and the trump campaign and the white house. that clearly has not worked. so this is just a continuation of that. it's unfortunate, because the reality of it is, and there are stories out now talking about the trump operation wanting to hold onto the rnc after this election is over for purposes of either setting up of the 24 election for the president trump or don junior. there are members concerned about that. and ron in a has to deal with that. that's not a way to create the separation by signing on to the disenfranchisement of black voters in the city of detroit. because that's essentially what you're doing, and so you then can't come out and say we want your vote. oh, why?

so you can take it away from us? >> michael, can i pick up on what you said about donald trump 2024 and don junior potentially? i had scaramucci on the show and he said not a chance in hell will he run in 2024. he said no way. but what do you think about the prospect of that realistically? and i mean don junior? >> well, i agree with the scaramucci. i agree trump is not going to run in 2024, but what this does by putting out there that i might do that, it freezes the field and tries to cement the control we were talking about, not just over the apparatus of the rnc, but the way the party moves forward after trump. he wants them to move forward in a trump way. he wants to position his son for leadership either inside the party or more nationally as a candidate for office in 24.

there are a number of tactics. it's meeting with resistance inside the rbs but by a small number of folks. outside the party more importantly, there's just not going to be this energy around turning this back over to trump, the president, in '24. trump junior is something different. >> so i'm going to leave that there for the moment. don, i want to ask you is part of the reason that republicans are not speaking out more against donald trump and grasp he has on the republican party because he has truly built a coalition within the republican party that it is indeed hard to separate now trumpism from republicanism? >> yeah. that's the full reason. i think everyone is well aware that trumpism will outlast trump. the reality is he was a symptom of where the republican had gone since 2010 and before that with the southern strategy of reagan

and even before him at water and all those guys. he's the manifestation of that. that does not go away just because he leaves office. he got the second most votes of any presidential candidate in history. that's why he's not being rejected. i want to say quickly if ten years ago the national television had been buzzing about don junior running for president, people would have been excited. >> susan, this is all about the extra votes that have now come under the republican tent. >> yes. but, again, i think we have to see what happens once president trump leaves the oval office and what his influence truly will be. i think we're going to learn a lot of things that went on during his tenure that we're not aware of yet. he faces civil and criminal investigations in new york state, and on top of that, we're actually going to see governance

again. and we're going to see under the biden administration people actually doing their jobs which may also put some faith back into how important it is to govern. and frankly, i also think there are a lot of republican leaders who are happy to see donald trump go and they would like to see the backside of them. they just can't estimate yet how much control he will have on the party. it will be some, but will it be enough? >> susan, don, michael, good to see you guys. have a great holiday week. thank you so much. meantime, health officials are sounding the alarm about the danger of holiday travel. long lines and crowds are packing the airports across the country despite the cdc urging people to stay home for thanksgiving. my colleague is at new york city's la guardia airport. we heard about big crowds at lax on friday night. what are you seeing there? >> you know, we're not seeing the images we're see agent the other airports around the country. the numbers tell a huge story. 984,000 people traveled

yesterday. nearly a million people traveled, and more than a million people traveled on friday. these are the highest numbers of travel that we are seeing since the pandemic began. here at la guardia terminal, the american airlines check-in. we're seeing people at the kiosks but not huge elbow to elbow crowds we're seeing at other places around the country. we have video of that. here's the backdrop. the u.s. right now is at 12 million cases. we jumped from 11 million to 12 million in just five days. right now the number of cases, the number of hospitalizations and deaths is the highest it's been in months. health experts are really worried that heightened holiday travel right now will create cross contamination. the cdc says if you have to travel, make sure you're bringing your face macsks and washing your hands often. try to get your flu shot before you go. this morning i spoke to a doctor

and a travel expert on how they would feel about traveling right now and what they think about the images we're seeing at some airports in the country? >> i'm not getting on a plane to see my family for thanksgiving right now. i'm missing my mother's 80th birthday. i know that's just a sample of the sacrifices so many americans are making because it's important for us to stay safe. >> i think people should listen to the cdc and their doctors, but a lot of people have to travel for different reasons. i believe travel is safe if you follow the right precautions. >> so alex, here is the silver lining. we aren't seeing right now the same travel numbers that we were seeing in 2019. so it appears some people are heeding the warning. >> absolutely. i'm going to miss seeing my mom and my cousins and my son and so i can relate to all of it. we're all making sacrifices. thank you so much. one of the biggest most daunting questions about the coronavirus vaccine remains a concern today. how will it be distributed? and even more potentially

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the latest facts on the coronavirus pandemic, the u.s. has more than 12.1 million cases nationwide according to the co-vid tracking project. 83,000 americans are hospitalized with the virus. the fda granted emergency use authorization given to the president last night. it the head of the trump administration's operation warp speed said today americans could start getting the vaccine by december 13th because it will be rapidly distributed once it's approved. we will have already identified

with each state at the department of health. where they want the vaccines to be located. within 24 hours from the approval the vaccine will be moving and located in the areas where each state will have told us where they want the vaccine doses. >> and listen, every day counts. it's december 12th. in california overnight a huge crowd gathered in huntington beach to protest the 10 president curfew. the group waved american flags. many participants did not wear a mask. moving to ohio, a state-wide curfew is in effect as total coronavirus cases there reach 343,000. more than 4,000 people were hospitalized. nearly a quarter of them in the icu. nbc is outside the cleveland clinic today. valerie, here's the hard part to know. apparently many of those infected are the hospital's frontline workers. what are you hearing?

>> reporter: good afternoon, alex. that's certainly a real problem at the cleveland clinic where nearly 1,000 health care workers are out. they're either infected or in quarantine after being exposed either here at the hospital or within their communities. the ohio hpt association says 20% of hospitals in the area are reporting staffing shortages. cases are going up in all 88 counties in the state. that means no one can be spared. no one can be borrowed to help out at another facility. we spoke to the infectious disease doctor here who says that means they're pulling people from other services and departments to help treat covid-19 patients not to mention the emotional toll it takes on health care workers when they hear one of their co-workers is out sick. she says with the holidays coming up, it's really important to make careful decisions about who you're planning to gather with to celebrate the holidays.

the friends and family you plan to be around. here's what she said. >> what i want people to do is make this personal. i want you to think about the five people in your life that you care most about. how can you over the next month best protect them? if you don't want to be doing -- wearing a mask for your own health, think about those five people. and if you want to see them next thanksgiving, or the next holiday season, how are you going to protect them? you don't even have to think about the whole community. how are you going to protect your mother, your grandmother, your sister, your children? >> reporter: again, a very important decision to make this holiday season. and she says if you want to thank a health care worker, show your appreciation, wash your hands, practice social distancing, and wear a mask. we've been saying it all along. >> absolutely. thank you for repeating it. it's so important. appreciate that. joining me now, a doctor, a member of the biden/harris task

force and infectious disease expert. so glad to have you here. first are you concerned about the lack of communication your team has gotten during what is supposed to be a transition of power? i mean, what are the chances you're going to be ready to hit the ground run big january 20th snth. >> look, we're doing what we can in terms of preparations. we have a very deep bench of scientists and doctors and public health and policy experts who have actually been working on these issues for months, developing plans and figuring out how to operationalize the plans. but at the same time, there is critical information that only the administration has its hands on. everything from what do we have in terms of ventilators that can be perhaps redeployed to other parts of the country? are the ventilators functional? we learned many of the ventilators in the national stockpile didn't work. where are we at in terms of nursing and other health care provider staff that could help

with a surge in patience in some places and might be helpful in getting folks vaccinated in other places? there are a lot of critical really operational logistic details we need access to now. >> yeah. president-elect biden said earlier this week that the delayed transition is a problem for the health of americans. let's listen to part of what he said there. >> more people may die if we don't coordinate. if we have to wait until january 20th to start that planning, it puts us behind over a month, month and a half. and so it's important that it be done at and there be coordination now. now or as rapidly as we can get that done. >> now, today as you probably heard, republican senator kevin kramer said biden is being dramatic over the distribution process, but who is right here? how soon does your team need that kind of coordination for the sake of everybody's, for the public health? >> well, if we're facing

150,000, 200,000 new infections with coronavirus every day right now, that means every day of delay is that many unnecessary new infections. and that many proportion will end up in the hospital and a proportion dying. the delays are clearly translating into lives lost. >> what about the head of operation warp speed. >> we played part earlier who said the earlier immunizations could happen by december 12th. do you agree and how will your team handle the extensive distribution of that vaccine? >> well, from what i've heard from some of the stake holders involved in this, that is the target timeline. the vaccine should be distributed initially. you'll see two frontline health care workers, other essential workers and you're also going to see mass vaccination in nursing homes and assist living facility.

those are the folks who are at highest risk for infection and who we need to protect most. >> can i ask if the biden co-vid task force, your task force you participate on, have you heard anything from the operation warp speed? have you been directly in contact with them? >> so we cannot have formal conversations or really even back channel with folks currently in the administration. so our best source of information is really stake holders outside of the administration where we are sort of piecemealing, putting together what are the plans that are in the works and trying to figure out how to proceed with that. but that is also a slowdown. right? you're having to put together a picture of what's happening and how to move forward, and that takes time, too. >> yeah. absolutely. let me ask you, since you're local as am i with regard to this week, new york city schools closed for in person learning after a rise in cases. what is the biden task force recommendation for this kind of situation? it's not unique to new york

city. >> right. and i think it's important to remember schools are controlled by local authorities, not by the federal government. at the same time, the federal government, especially through the cdc, can be issuing guidelines. our perspective is that schools are an essential service as long as you don't have widespread community transmission, we should do everything possible to keep schools open. while also supporting the schools to do so safely. so includes providing them with funding and the personal protective equipment they need, to help them reduce class size, to maximize ventilation. we realize schools are relative to other things like restaurants and bars, for example, much lower risk for transmission. and they are, again, an essential service. >> doctor, your time is very important. it is precious. i thank you for sharing some of it with us here on msnbc. thank you. it is a constitutional right article 14 to be exact, but the outgoing president may be

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a new challenge from the trump campaign today to election results in georgia. the state certified president-elect biden's win on friday after finishing a hand recount of the 5 million ballots cast. the trump campaign quickly asking for a second recount by machine this weekend and now just 44 days before her runoff election, the georgia senator loeffler is quarantining after she got inconclusive co-vid test results. let's go to atlanta. julia, we have loeffler who campaigned with david perdue as well as the vice president. that was just friday. so what's the status now? is she off the campaign trail? >> reporter: she is at least until she gets a more conclusive

test result. and as you mentioned the last we saw her was on friday with vice president pence, and they had a photo op on the tarmac wearing masks but at the events they were in the. even fist bumping on stage without a mask. loeffler herself tweeted a photo of her v.p. pence and senator perdue on a bus not wearing masks. this co-vid scare could prove consequential in the senate race. every day counts in this runoff. republican challengers jon ossoff is on the trail today in georgia holding socially distanced events with mask requirements. now, ron klain, the incoming white house chief of staff for president-elect joe biden said just today that biden is expected to travel to georgia to campaign for them. things are really amping up here. if loeffler tests positive, she will be the third senator this week alone to contract covid-19

along with senator rick scott who campaigned with her and senator perdue last week in georgia. and this also effects perdue as a close contact. his office telling nbc news perdue will remain at home until we get more clarity on loeffler's results. the pair was supposed to campaign with joni ernst of iowa earlier this week, but that's very much up in the air. so we are monitoring this quite closely for the latest developments. >> all right. we thank you. i appreciate that. with the trump team requesting a second recount in georgia, of the 36 lawsuits filed by the trump campaign and other republican interests, 24 have been denied, dismissed, severed or withdrawn so far. here's why. there has been no evidence of voter fraud. a new report says birthright

citizenship is one more thing the president wants to get rid of before he leaves office. the hill reports white house aides may be finalizing an executive order to end automatic citizenship. joining me now, hjulians castro the host of "our america" podcast. i'm glad to see you, mr. secretary. let me say did your head spin when you heard this latest report as it did mine? we are talking about challenging the 14th amendment of the constitution. i was like wait. what? >> yeah. that's right, alex. as you know, i mean, this has been a right wing fantasy, and a fantasy of donald trump and a -- i think a small base of his for a long time. and for him to say that just the few weeks after he -- before he has to leave office on january 20th that he's going to do this basically undo the 14th

amendment of the united states constitution by executive order, you know, it would be laughable if it weren't so sad. this is a president -- i mean -- >> let me make sure. this can't be undone. right? by the hand of a sharpie? >> that's right. this is something in the 14th amendment. if he tried to do this, it would be stopped in court immediately. it's something that he cannot accomplish. he will not accomplish. it is something that has been part of this country now for hundreds of years. and i think that this is just one more example of donald trump making an entire political career about trying to other-ize people who don't look like him. i am so glad, and i know that a majority of the people that voted on november 3rd are so glad that this man is no longer going to be in the oval office to spread his division and hate.

>> okay. let's get to a new headline today suggesting the president could be heading for a final showdown with congress over $2 billion more in funding for his border wall. the chief of the border tweeting 249 miles under construction. 87 miles under preconstruction. here's my question. should joe biden immediately halt construction of the wall? >> i hope he will. i mean, what joe biden has said is that not another inch of wall will be constructed during his administration. it's also worth pointing out that this has been a slight of hand by the trump administration. something like only five miles of actual new wall construction has happened during this administration. five miles. the rest has been repairs to fence or wall that was already there. so once again, this has been about duping a group of voters that supports a wall. he didn't get anything done

really on this which was his signature promise. he's only a few weeks before leaving office, and i'm glad that we're going to have a president in president biden who wants to move us away from the division and cruelty of donald trump and put common sense immigration laws in place as well. >> how about the few miles of walls constructed. should those be torn down? >> well, i think that the first priority is to make sure nothing else goes up. and joe biden has said that that will not happen. nothing else will go up in his administration. and look, there's a lot to do. create a pathway to citizenship, make sure the dreamers are able to stay in the united states and help with the way forward. do away with the muslim ban and the migrant protocols. >> what about how joe biden will handle the highly anticipated surge at the southern border once donald trump departs

office? >> well, i mean, this is not sn -- something we haven't dealt with before. we saw this a couple years. i think the point is there are more humane and common sense ways to deal with a surge that we may or may not see. folks will remember that huge caravan that was coming to the united states, and overtaking our country a couple years ago. it was ginned up right before the 2018 election. so we got to separate fact from fiction. if there is a surge, then joe biden has the experience. he knows that we can do this in a humane compassionate way and move away from donald trump's cruelty. at tend of the obama administration, there was something called the family peace management program that actually was a humane common sense way to handle that surge. and that's something to build on. >> with regard to coronavirus

can i ask you quickly about the planned rollout of the vaccine? you're well aware minority communities have been hit disproportionately hard. do you have any indication that they are going to be prioritized with the rollout of the vaccine? are you hearing anything? >> you know, i have not heard that. i mean, what i do expect, though, is that donald trump should allow his administration to coordinate with the biden team so we can get this distribution off and running and successful as efficiently as possible. frontline health care works are prioritized, and then i would think vulnerable communities. we know senior citizens are more susceptible to getting the virus and having bad health consequences because of it. and then making sure in those other vulnerable populations that people receive this vaccine. what i would hate to see is that in the same way that we see the

analogously good deserts or people without broad band or health care access, so they have to basically use the mshemergen room as their primary care physician. we hate to see this vaccine fall into that category. that's why it's so important that from the very beginning the trump administration coordinates with the biden team so this can be done well without skipping a beat. unfortunately, the president is not doing that. he's acting like a spoiled child and putting his own ego above the public health, and that may well end up hurting communities of color and low income communities, vulnerable populations more than it will others. >> i appreciate the cautionary perspective there. very good to see you, former hud secretary as well. host of the podcast "hoour

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coronavirus gripping the nation ahead of the holidays but at the white house, it is business as usual. the u.s. just topped 12 million cases, and it took less than a

week for the latest million to be added. but as the virus spreads out of control the president went golfing and when reporters got to see the white house coronavirus task force for the first time in months i might add, this is how it ended. >> we will get through this together. >> mr. vice president -- >> thank you. >> why are you not taking questions? why is the federal -- >> what is going on? you're not working with the transition team. you're all part of -- >> you're all undermining the democratic election. every one of you. >> why is this -- >> you won't work with the transition. >> i want to bring in the white house reporter of the associated press and a good friend to us. did i the back of your head there? were you there? >> you did, indeed. i was there in the second row. in our new social distanced

seating chart in the white house briefing room for what was as you said, the first time the co-vid task force briefed the press and members of the public in months. i was one of the shouted voices, perhaps not the loudest in the room when the vice president an president and his team walked out without taking questions. here in a moment, of course, where the president has refused to concede the election, and that has slowed the nation's response to the coronavirus pandemic. as we all know, the transition has not been authorized by the trump administration, so, therefore, the incoming biden team hasn't received all the briefings and materials that it would need, including on the vaccine development and distribution. >> jonathan, did you get any answers later as to why they took no questions whatsoever? and is this an indication that the white house has totally given up trying to control the pandemic? >> well, there are a couple things at play here. the next day we had the

president make an appearance in the briefing room, only the third or fourth time we've seen him since the election, and that was on a prescription drug pricing event. he didn't take questions, either. i think these are two separate matters here. the president and the vice president, they're not taking questions right now, because they know every question will be, why, president trump, have you not conceded even though you lost, and why, president trump, are you endangering american lives? those are questions they do not want fto face, but in terms of the pandemic, there are many concerns about why this administration has simply abandoned its efforts. there is a reason why, and dr. fauci says so. we know that a vaccine is close, that a lot of americans could be receiving it bit spring and summer. that is good news, but we've got a long, dark winter between now and then. that briefing was notable that it did not back up what the cdc said in terms of urging americans to not travel for

thanksgiving. but this is, indeed, a west wing that has largely hollowed out, people have moved on, or people have either been exposed to covid-19, they have contracted or had to quarantine because of ex poposure because of that election night outbreak at the white house, and the president himself is not spending much time on the virus. he hasn't attended a task force meeting himself in months, but rather, instead, on baseless conspiracy theories about trying to overturn the election results. >> so this description of the white house right now, notably referencing those 49 white house administration officials that have come down with covid during the course of the virus, apparently the white house found out from reporters about the latest task force briefing, that it was going to happen? are they planning to resume these briefings, or was that a one-off, or what do you know about that? >> yeah, that's my reporting from my colleagues and myself in the associated press over the weekend.

indeed, on thursday -- let's remember, the coronavirus task force is chaired by the vice president, mike pence, and they're the ones that authorized and scheduled this briefing without notifying the west wing. members of the press office, who control the briefing room, found out from reporters about the briefing. they weren't notified. and it goes to show right now how the president himself and his staff are seemingly so completely checked out from the pandemic response. there haven't been any task force meetings in weeks. they have started to resume. there's been one each of the last two weeks. the vice president has said there would be more but didn't offer any sort of timetable or schedule for those. so there is now certainly an acknowledgment, at least privately, that the pandemic is surging to new heights. it puts americans in a very dangerous moment when it comes to this virus. there is some work behind the scenes being done on that, but from the president himself, and that's key, very little at all.

there's been no discussion about thanksgiving and keeping safe. there's been no conversation from the president about masks. instead it's just tweet after tweet after tweet about the election results. >> yeah. let me ask you quickly, we know the trump administration is holding up president-elect biden's plans, but the gsa, the general services administration sort of like the government's hr department, it still has not recognized the incoming administration which throws cold water on biden's ability to get a head start on the virus. can you give us a sense of how far back this is throwing the country, real quick? >> yeah, it's extremely dangerous, and it won't happen for a while. the gsa has said they won't ascertain, that's the word they use, biden's election and where the electoral college meets and certifies the election. that's a few weeks away, and it's a dangerous few weeks away as we see the pandemic surge out

of control in the nation, and yes, every day for joe biden to get this vital information is a day to catch up on the other end in order to combat this virus when he takes control of the oval office. >> well, enjoy your thanksgiving, my friend. i'm thankful to have you on the show as often as we do. john that lemire, thank you. it's good to know what holiday tradition won't be interrupted. we'll explain that, ahead. , ahe. that life of the party look walk it off look one more mile look reply all look own your look...

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