tv The Reid Out MSNBC November 23, 2020 4:00pm-5:00pm PST
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want us to present that evidence in court. thousands of pages of witnesses. >> the show is done at the end of the hour. >> thanks so much for having me. >> we're out of time. i'll pass it on to the "the reidout." wow, we begin tonight with breaking news. in a move with major implications. general administration finally informed president-elect joe biden the trump administration is ready to formalize the transition process. i strongly believe the ascertain not impose the president-elect.
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in a statement issued moments ago the transition called it a needed step to begin tackling the challenges facing the nation. including the pandemic under control and the economy back on track. for three weeks murphy refused to ascertain the victory. and normally this is a routine task. her refusal held up funds to held the transition and prevented him from receiving national security briefings. why did this middle manager drag her heels? according to the "washington post" she didn't want to be disloyal. to the administration that hired her. the facts remain. the election was not close. 80 million americans handed trump his termination papers. that's 51% of the electorate. who said thank you, next. the victory was so clear cut. of the last six presidential elections only obama in 2008 had a larger popular vote margin.
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biden electoral vote margin is the same as trumps from 2016. which trump at the time called a massive landslide. as the loser he has 58 days to pack his stuff and go. instead of focusing on a peaceful transition of power or filling out change of address forms. or getting luggage together. we're witnessing a cornered man making baseless clams. the election is rigd. it's not possible he lost. in a different time he would have been shamed for desecration of the constitutional system. instead the republican party helping trump in his effort to disenfranchise the americans he swore an oath to defend. in this case mostly black and other democratic voters. late today the michigan boards certified joe biden as the winner of the state. 16 votes. by law and practice certify case is a routine sign off.
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instead it happened after republicans had a little hearing. told the obvious. they had to certify. and one republican ab stained. over in the court, trumps band of mitt fit toys. the elite strike force. keeps striking out. a republican judge dismissed the case with prejudice. calling it a frankenstein monster. without merit and speculative accusations. in the wake of yet another rejection a handful of republicans are daring to admit the emperor has no clothes. ohio senator wrote based on the information currently available. neither the recount have led to a different out come in any state. in other words the initial determination showing joe biden with enough votes to win hasn't changed. no s sherlock. those not willing to join us in the lands of the obvious will publicly outed.
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blasting 21 republican senators who he says have expressed contempt for trump privately. or refusing to speak out publicly. courage. i want to start and bring my colleague. we just watched your very interesting interview with trump lawyer. she is still restated that trump not only won. but a landslide. i didn't hear it. you are the lawyer not me. did you hear any legal basis or evidence for the said landslide. >> no. i thought she came up empty handed like many of the lawyers. i want to be clear and respectful. we talk to all kind of people. the question i posed and i wouldn't do it every night on repeat. i wanted a trump lawyer once. what are you trying to do? what is the point the purpose? there's not a single pending case that can change the out come. you have of course the president himself under whatever delay
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conceding to some of that in his own way. saying we'll have a transition. we have the embers of the desire for some of final clash that legally doesn't look like the president will get. he said he thinks this will end in a supreme the court. the lawyer said she hopes that as well. what we don't see is a path to do that. we see them losing every time they bring one of the claims. none of the cases if victorious would change the national map. >> let me ask you this, for people watching it's like 31 cases and they won one or two. that don't change anything. how long can they keep doing this? is there unlimited appeals as long as you have the money for lawyers and people fool enough to give money to the legal defense? is there a limit the court says you have to stop. >> it's a great question. you have mid-december as the constitutional deadline for the certification in what they call
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the safe harbor period. you can count mid-december christmas you don't really have anything left. in court you can march back in and claim, this was mishandled. this was a fraud. the door shuts tightly then. and there are costs in the patch work system. it depends on the state. this is the founders genius or insanity. in wisconsin, you have to pay for your recount. when it came to the ticket price of 8 million for the full state or 3 million for partial. they came up cheap and only want to pay for partial. in other states it doesn't have to require payment by the candidate. if you are within the right required margin. we haven't seen in history -- i brought this up. we haven't seen an all of american history a recount every move more than 400 votes. the narrowest margin is not 400 or 800. or 1,200.
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or 1,600. it's over 10,000 in georgia. we have no reason hisically or legally. anything would change that. they are entitled to go to court and talk. we have to listen to people we don't want to listen to. it's very clear that the door is shutting. and the president dismissal of miss powell and the frustration with the legal team. sometimes there's not a grand strategy. there's a hope for something someone said might happen. the judge says you have nothing. >> absolutely. that's why they are saying the zillion trump votes are in germany. i said that. there's nowhere else to get votes if not in germany. thank you. that was quite an interview.
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for more i'm joined by msnbc correspondent and michael steel. former chairman of the rnc. you have this clash of stories. the gsa administer tor putting out a letter in which she includes the following. i came to my decision independently based on the the law and fact. i was never pressured. including those who work at the white house. with regard to the substance. donald trump goes out and tweets i told her to do it. it was me. i told her what to do. it makes her look like a stooj. do we have reporting on who is lying? or could they both be. i don't know. >> let's stick to the reporting which is they sent over a council white house council to
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guide her in the decision making pros. none of us will be inside the room of what actually happened here. when you hear some republicans talking about loyalty and some of the reporting about her own concerns, hinging on loyalty. that tells you enough about what was going on here. the fact that this happened at all really marks an unprecedented hazing of this incoming administration. that we have never seen before based on an argument that the president actually told us he was going to do. he told us he was going to do this. there was going to be fraud and build out a narrative. they told us give us some time to find the facts. we'll find some. there will be fraud. we promise you. what happened here is they were never able to manufacture the facts. i was on the ground in detroit and all of the arguments they were making for instance two classes of arguments. fraud arguments pure conspiracy
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theory stuff about voting machines and never anything there. and never a fact chul basis to that. the second if you look closely is we were disrespected, we weren't treated right. we were harassed. essentially. but i was there when they tried to storm the tsf center. i was there. i heard people testify today as well about what was happening inside the room with all the people who showed up and just said they were self-anointed poll watchers. they had no training. they didn't know what they were looking at. demanding one lady discard a table of ballots because she wasn't wearing a name tag. they weren't respecting social distancing. i guess some people in detroit did get a little irritated with that. and that became the basis of massive fraud conspiracy. sect thing is that what happened in detroit happens all over the country. with this inability to balance
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the books completely and vote for vote. grandma mails in a ballot and forgets to put the ballot in the envelope. it's out of balance. you don't have a vote. it didn't show up. these things happen. the fact they picked detroit that will sting for a while. that will be an open wound. >> black voters will never forget that. donald trump said that this lady is crazy. she can't be part of my team. she's embarrassing. the lady who went out there, i have nothing to do with it. they're making me look bad. christy saying people are an embarrassment. and powell which is causing the angst suddenly she's doing this on her own. she's practicing law on her own. she's not a member of the trump legal team. element six please.
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the trump tweet promoting powell. i look forward to mayor giuliani spearheading the legal effort to defend our right to free and fair election. the great team. island of misfit toys. chairman steel, it's at the point the two buckets of conspiracy are a zillion ballots flown by the army to germany and they're hidden. we can't find the massive glorious victory. we can't tell you how, he just won. he's going trump really won. it was a lan slide. i can't tale you how. we have reached the land of the absurd. >> we have been here for four years. so in one sense, none of this is surprising.
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it is part of the last episode in the series. so, with that in mind, we get our popcorn and go with it. we know on the other channels that is where the good stuff is. and get to next week. this is the reality that we're in. trump hand picked the lawyers through rudy giuliani. he knows exactly who is on the legal team. every name in the tweet he knew about. signed off on. rudy giuliani is not going to go out and put together a team of misfit toys without trump signing off on the misfit nature of the toys. there it is. all this noise that they're coming back on this back end 40 million votes in germany. over sea ballots. i chair the u.s. vote foundation. seriously? you over seize voting. there are 7 million expats altogether. between republicans and democrats.
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>> some voted for trump. >> yeah. exactly. >> you're saying don't count any of the over seas and black votes and trump can win. yeah, discount everybody black. some of the lincoln project colleagues have said never forgive. never let them back in. people like mike lee six months from now pretending to care about the constitution. constitution. he is on parlor saying trump really won the election. you have all of the people the ones that creeped out and said we think biden won. you have the others like tim scott. rubio. grassly. should they ever be allowed back into polite and normal political society after what they have done to the country? >> unlike the current republicans who claim to be the standard bearers of the
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republican party who want to kick people out and lock them out because they don't like donald trump or aren't showing fealty to trump. i won't decide who should or shouldn't be a republican. or should or shouldn't be inside the party. those individuals have to make the case and that stand for themselves and take it to the voters if they are planning to run under republican banner. if you are in a blood red state this won't be an issue. you'll be fine. if you're in a different state, a purple state. continue the color theme. you'll have to account for where you stood at this hour for the american people in that -- >> we're "outfronout of time. i have a yes or no. would you ever go to war with the men? >> i have been at war with them. did you not -- >> with them by your side. would you trust them by your
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side in battle? >> depends the battle. that's the nature. >> you asked a serious question. that's the problem with the nature of the politics today. in the many respects donald trump exposed that distortion in the politics. you see it on the left as well. would you how do you go to battle with alexandria ocasio-cortez. she turns to the moderate or conservative. >> i would. she knows how to speak to young voters and i trust her she cares about constituents. she cares whether people have a meal on thanksgiving. i don't know if rick scott carecare cares. she cares and will show up for her constituents. >> they feel the same way about them. i don't make the judgment. >> surprise. they haven't passed a bill to feed them at thanksgiving.
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they aren't doing a damn thing to give them and make sure they eat. >> they picked up eleven seats. somebody saw something. >> what are they doing with it? the question is. they're doing nothing for the people. nathan. we'll see. i love debating with you. always fun. text you later. thank you. up next, much more of tonight's breaking news. the formal transition has begun. as the legal team continues. and later millions pack the airport setting up a covid calamity. the lame duck president skips out on a covid-19 meeting with world leaders to golf. devastating thanksgiving ahead for millions of families. out of work. and lining up in food lines. republicans in washington do not seem to care. back with more after this. smart xl grill. just pick your protein, select your doneness,
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we are continuing to follow tonight's major breaking news the head of the gsa informed president-elect joe biden that the official government transition process has begun. obvious question. what took so long. meanwhile trump is promising the legal battle will proceed. that's the same battle his ally christy called a national embarrassment. democratic senator of alabama. you are an expert lawyer. a legendary lawyer. i want to ask you, she's tweeting at us. snarkly. with confidence. she put a lot of her chest into it. do you know how a case gets to the supreme court. the third circuit granted an appeal. we have one case pending. she seems confident she can get a case to the supreme court. have you seen anything in the 31 lawsuits that might get donald trump to the supreme court where in your view that court would
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over turn the election of joe biden. >> no. there's not been anything. thanks for having me by the way. i appreciate you. there's not been anything legally that i have seen that's come out. it has been crazy conspiracy theories. anybody can appeal a case. and because once a case gets turned down and lose at a lower court level. appeals are obligated to take the case. the supreme court is not obligated to take cases. i'm not seeing anything with a legal basis whatsoever. and agree with chris christy. these cases are now beginning to be an embarrassment for the legal profession. and need to stop. it needs to stop. let the transition move forward. >> somebody who has been a civil rights lawyer and done the right thing as human being. to fight for the rights for
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black people and receive justice in the court. how do you feel watching republicans go specifically after black voters in places where they are the majority or substantial. >> it's really unfortunate. it is continuing to stoke the division that we have in the country. we have the general service administration saying this transition needs to move forward. joe biden ran on a healing platform. that's what we need to be doing. we don't need to be attacks one group or the other. particularly going after black voters who have enough issues across the country. we're trying to cast a ballot. it's an insult to the community. insult to the those who really went to the polls. everyone wanted a high voter turn out. we encouraged people to get out and we're insulting them saying it's fraud. it's a sad commentary on the lawyers pursuing claims.
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>> i am sorry that you didn't win your reelection. i really am. i'm always tweeting a civil rights hero. and you are. you lost to a man who doesn't know what the voting rights act is. and the turn out was low in your state. had you prevailed and carried joe biden under with you, if you had both won. you had the same voters who brought you to the table. your state probably would have been one of the sources. you would have been in the mix too. do you think joe biden can trust any republican at this point that you have served with as the united states senator given their can you be the and refusal to publicly accept his victory in the election. you quite graciously conceded. the current president cannot. would you trust any senate republicans at this point if you are biden? >> i would. i know the folks.
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i believe once we get this in process and get a president in, there will be arguments over policy. on which way to go. if there's anyone in the country who can find common ground with the other side it's joe biden. i have known him 40 years. he can do that. he's going to give them a chance. i want them to give him a chance. i have talked to the folks. they are good people. they're not as partisan as people might believe. the fact of the matter is, they have done what they believe to be in the best interest. and we may not agree with it. we may think they should say something sooner. now as we have seen the board of elections certify in michigan and georgia, these folks will come out and say okay, it's time. we have given the chance. >> we'll see. >> legal challenges and they failed. >> we are out of time.
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my producer is going to scream. have you been approached about taking a job inside the attorney general office with the civil rights division? >> i am trying to finish up my tenure as the united states senator from alabama. we have a lot of work to do. i have been friends with joe biden and kamala harris and i want them to succeed. we'll leave it at that and see how it plays out. he's picking a good team. >> keep us posted. you are a friend of the show. up next. as the coronavirus surge continues, millions of americans are ignoring guidance and heading to the airport. ahead of the thanksgiving holiday. you're clearly someone... ...who takes care of yourself. so why wait to screen for colon cancer? because when caught in early stages, it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers... ...even in early stages.
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>> we are at a dire point in our fight with the virus by any measure. we want everyone to understand that these holiday celebrations can be super-spreader events. be smart and be as small as possible. >> the current occupant of the white house is making clear yet again he is over the pandemic. he skipped a g 20 summit on pandemic preparedness to play golf. new york mayor is investigating a recent indoor wedding. video shows a huge crowd packed inside. in violation of strict restrictions. atlanta an after part party for a rap battle video shows crowds of maskless people inside the compound nightclub. joining me now, congresswoman waters of california. and former obama white house policy director.
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congresswoman waters, i'll start with you. the white house is going to go ahead and have a holiday party. that not surprising to anyone. can you talk about within your constituents people who listen to you and you are influential. that party in atlanta broke my heart. i have to be honest. we know this is killing black and brown people. and to see so many black folks packed in together. it was heartbreaking. how do we get across that as much as we are exhausted by the pandemic and tired of it all. we have to keep doing the masks and distancing. >> yes. we have to keep pushing. we have to keep talking. we have to try to make people understand the dangers of that we are all confronted with. i'm in washington. i didn't go back to los angeles because listened to the experts and i was thot going to the airport. i didn't want to do anything
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that would endanger me and cause me not to be able to be back here next monday when we have to pass the heros act. we have to pass legislation that will help so many suffering people. so many people and families are hungry. they are standing in food lines. and i'm so worried about possible evictions and i think that we have to keep crying out. we have to keep talking. we have to keep trying to convince. and do everything that we can to get people to understand that they can take responsibility. they cannot be a part of spreading this virus. >> when the president of the united states when the behavior he's modelling. when the g 20 is meeting to stop in global pandemic. he's out golfing. he doesn't care. not everyone even listens to him. people wouldn't give trump the
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time of day. the messaging is consistent. people want to party and he's the partier in chief. >> absolutely. that's right. not only that, you would think he would want to take some pride in the vaccines. and some of the research and funding that helped leadtous a place to have potential vaccines or the g 20 to celebrate. he's not willing to talk about the potential for the united states to act and do its part in getting the world vaccinated safely. forget about any of that. i hope what congresswoman said is she is right. that we need to appeal to people. we need to tell them it's not about you. it's helping healthcare workers sacrificing their lives. 2,000 workers have died taking care of covid patients and counting. it's in the about you. let's try to do what we can and give my friends a break. who are doing this. on the front line every day.
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>> congresswoman, you have to think the guy who he tapped to head operation warp speed is a moroccan decent. and it is ironic to me this president started off with his first acting to ban muslims from traveling to the country. and here he is and we are relying on muslim generiuses to save our lives. >> we have always believed that this is a country that would welcome immigrants. and we have always known that with them comes talent. with them come a commitment to come to the united states and to be a part of a democracy that allows one to realize their full potential and so in believing that, it was so very difficult for many of us to understand why
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the president of the united states would have a travel ban to keep people out when in fact we're supposed to be the country that welcomes. of course this president has disappointed us in every turn. i wish i could say i'm surprised at what he's doing. this way that he is trying to make people believe that somehow he actually won the election. and that the democrats have been a fraud. and not counting the votes properly on and on. i'm not surprised. i have known that this was a man with no good values. this was a human being who really doesn't care about others. and really doesn't care about the constitution. democracy, none of that. he has shown it throughout the four years and so let him keep going as far as he wants to go. even though the door is closed on him now. there's nowhere to go. if he wants to try and keep
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going to the supreme court. let him try. it's over. we have a president-elect and vice preponderate who will take this country in another direction. and create the change and appreciation for diversity and talent. that will help the democracy to be stronger. i'm looking forward to inauguration. >> absolutely. what yould you recommend that we have a president-elect that he can accomplish in the next 50 something days to ease the strain and horror particularly of healthcare workers. is there anything you recommend he do? >> great question. couple of things, i do think sending signals he's not afraid january 2020 invoke the defense production act for all the supplies we'll need. for the testing and p.p.e. but the vaccine distribution. it takes gloves and needles and people. i think he can send a signal as
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he's done so far with very clear message. he did more in the two or three minutes where you saw him emotionally react to the nurse. it's haunting my image in my head. that will do more to show emotion. clear messaging. they will make a difference. they already are. >> modelling good behavior. it helps. congresswoman and of course doctor we love talking with you both. have a safe and happy thanksgiving holiday. still ahead the trump campaign is recycling jim crow era tactics to over turn election results in largely black cities. a lotta folks ask me how to
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as donlds trump and republicans continue to file the phony lawsuits to over turn the clear election victory. the strategy is one that republicans have waged for decades. disenfranchising black americans. atlanta, detroit, milwaukee. they want to throw out votes in all of them. large populations of black voters who supported biden. unlike decades past the courts and public are not having it. in detroit black voters are suing donald trump for trying to take the constitutional protected right away. defendants are seeking to tactics repeat the worst abuses in american history. denied a voice in democracy for two centuries of the republic. joining me now. cochair of the poor peoples campaign and my friend. bishop, i look at the demographic in the states. detroit being the city with the
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highest black percentage population in american. 78%. atlanta being a majority african-american. milwaukee. that is where they are suing. what does this tell you about the state of the republican party? >> it tells us that they are still using the same play book developed in 1968. by richard nixon and that talked about positive polarization. code words like urban and city. they say whatever black people vote in mass it's fraud. they never own their proven in the court voter suppression. courts have proved republicans have engaged in racism and suppression with surgical precision. this is an old play book. trump is not the only one. this is the caution. he's just using what was prepared and has been used for a long time. reagan used it. nixon. others have used it. even republicans today that don't like trump use the same
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tactic. and have been big on voter suppression. the claim of fraud is fraudulent. the really issue is voter suppression and this is another tactic. what he's trying to do now. >> i see the same echoes in the two georgia senators who aside from the sort of dubious taste in investment, feeding off the pandemic to make money. they have both tried to claim that election in georgia that donald trump lost was fraudulent. the other thing i feel like conservatives use is the black church. they love to walk into the church on mlk day. you did loeffler do it. they want to get on the pulpit. and turn around and attack the said man of the church. attack the pastor. reverend warnock. >> they love the king of the
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imagination. they would be just as much against king as others were when he was alive. they use the terms like socialism. they called king and rabbi and those people socialists. these are terms. i like what my friend warnock said about loeffler. he was glad she was there. maybe listen to the ones about love and justice. what is hypocritical of republicans is they are attacking my friend and others for quoting words directly from jesus. which prove they don't know the bible. they wrongly think jesus was a healer and lover of the poor. was antihealthcare and antigay and antipalestinian. progun, prowar. protax. proracism. that's just wrong. what they do is say so much about what gone says so little and little about what god says so much. they're scared of a warnock. and scared of a jewish brother
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running. they are two people who know what religion says about love and justice and mercy. sp how to engage that in the public. they should be scared. because millions of people of faith and religious leaders are rising up to reclaim the moral platform that extremists have tried to take in the name of the republican. >> i think it's poetic you have a black and jewish man running. that was the coalition for the civil rights movement. jewish brothers and sisters went down south to fight for the rights of black people. you have that coalition. running against two people would likely support going on now. what a assistance two people will run out by this year. it was passed way back before through the cares act. it's expiring. mcconnell and republicans are refusing to renew the desperately needed programs. what do you say to republicans
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and michael steel says he thinks they care about the people. they will let this stuff expire. they will let people be hungry. >> the bible says a tree is known by the fruit it bares. they do not care. before covid they were allowing 140 million people to be impovrned. and more interested in passing tax cuts for wealthy. when you look at the list and see that they are denying that and more concerned about putting one woman on the supreme court and blocking votes. and not protecting people from laying in caskets. it's a crime against humanity. it's not about love. it's not about really caring about the people. and that's why people are rising up. they were afraid when obama broke through in north carolina and florida. and virginia and they are afraid now georgia opened up and the two senators are running.
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we need to understand this is not just trumpism. it's so much deeper and we have to stand against it. >> yeah. absolutely. bishop, always love talking with you. thank you so much for being here. on a moral monday. moral monday. appreciate you. and up next on the reid out, senator tammy duckworth on one of the biggest challenges joe biden faces, restoring america's standing on the world stage. that's a big one. stay with us. that's a big one stay with us vicks vapopatch. easy to wear with soothing vicks vapors for her, for you, for the whole family. trusted soothing vapors, from vicks you can take advantage of $0 preventive dental care.
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there is perhaps no area more crucial for undoing the damage of the trump administration than foreign policy. and we now know who will lead that task in the biden-harris administration. tony blinken, a biden confidapt of more than 20 years who will be nominated as secretary of state. top cabinet picks also include former federal reserve chairwoman janet yellen who confirmed would be the first
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woman to serve as treasury secretary. if confirmed she'd be the highest ranking woman to ever serve in u.s. intelligence. and alejandro maorkus. and senator, i want to go through and we'll put up the list of others who are part of this list of people including some women, including a latino, including john kerry, including linden thomas greenfield for the ambassador of the united nations. how difficult do you think it will be even with this high caliber of talent for the rest of the world to take the united states, not so much joe biden himself but to take the united states seriously after trump? >> well, this is a very serious cabinet. that is a message that president-elect biden is sending with this message, and he could not have picked better names in
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each and every one of these spots. he's basically telling the rest of the world we are back, this is our a-team. these are hands you all know, people who have led before in really crucial times on a global scale, and we're taking our world back as leader of the free world in the face of the greatest democracy. so he's sent a strong message to the rest of the world america is back, and there are real serious people back in business again. >> and you know, you've talked about and your written op-ed talked about donald trump and the danger to our national security. but i think for a lot of people the worst foreign policy the sort of related disaster has been donald trump's handling of migration and the fact that he and his administration took possession of thousands of children, some 600 of whom have not been returned to their families. what do you think is the significance of alejandro
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mayorkas? >> i think it's very significant because he can be the one to say, listen, we will welcome people who seek refuge. we'll stand firm against those people who seek to do harm to the united states, but we'll not turn away people seeking to do refuge, and we'll do everything we can to finally reunite these children with their missing parents. i have great hope for the future of our country with this biden cabinet as so far it has been nominated. >> and there's also the issue of the middle east where you've had jared kushner who's had business interests that make him i think a very inappropriate person to have been in charge not to mention his inexperience. while he was working on a peace deal his companies were funding settlements. you have mike pompeo going through and meeting with benjamin netanyahu, the israeli
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prime minister, prince mohamed ben solman, they met in secret. are you worried those things will be hard to undo? >> i'm not worried those things will be hard to undo, but frankly that includes the national security of israel and when you have serious people come to the table who want to negotiate, who have the appropriate background i have great confidence that our national security will be safeguarded. now, that said we have to send a message to both our allies and our adversaries around the world that they can't take advantage of the inexperience america put forward like they did under the trump administration and certainly the united states is not for sale the way it was under the trump presidency. >> well, hear hear to that.
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one domestic policy thing with you, though, because as a woman of color yourself who made history in your own way, in so many ways the idea of deb holland maybe being interior secretary, who will be the first indigenous person to hold such a role, do you as i do root for something like that? i think that would be a huge message to send to the world about us if that were to happen. what do you think about her running interior? >> well, i think that any role we can elevate our members of our first nation is a great one. i think she would be fantastic at interior, but i think there are any number of members of the first nations who could hold any number of roles. remember it's not just about one person, we have to fill government. there's a lot of empty seats right now because the trump administration feels so miserably at actually putting people through jobs to help the american people. so we have lots of positions that need to be filled, and i know the biden folks are looking to make that as diverse as possible, and deb holland is
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just one of many more who are coming. >> i think there are a lot who'd like to see you in that administration as well. senator tammy duckworth, thank you so much for being here. that is tonight's reid out. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in," america is moving on, the trump scheme in michigan is over and the formal transition has finally begun. tonight what may be the closest thing to a concession we may ever get from donald trump. president-elect biden makes major announcements about his new cabinet while president trump's embarrassing new legal team is falling apart. then ben carson recovers from covid thank tuesday that lifesaving special covid therapy which seems only available to trump's pals. laurie garret is here to discuss why it's not an option for the rest of us yet. >> i want everybody to be given the same treatment as
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