why is it down 80%, dad? we don't love you anymore, dad. and the chance biden got in, you will have a stock market go down like you wouldn't believe. if he got elected this thing will crash. if biden wins you're going to have a stock market collapse the likes of which you've never had. >> the outgoing president to take us off the air this evening. that is indeed our broadcast for this tuesday night of this thanksgiving week. it comes with our thanks to you for spending this time with us. on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night. back in august in the second week of august democratic presidential nominee joe biden announced that he had picked a running mate. he had picked california senator kamala harris. that announcement was greeted very positively across the spectrum except by the president. so, that seems like a good sign

off the bat. the biden campaign received a record surge of new donations after the harris announcement. there were signs in the polling that choosing harris only aimproved his chances of winning the general election. all in all this was seen as a very successful one, and it has continued to be a successful choice, right, by all visual measures. right, they won the general election after all. biden's choice of harris gave him a measurable burst of momentum and good will and additional financing on the way to that goal. all good. right after the harris announcement was made, which among other things drove a big burst of new traffic to the biden campaign website. among other things there were lots of people wanting to donate to biden for the first time. right around that time the tech website mashable right clicked on the biden campaign website.

do you ever do that by accident? if you're a tech literal person, if you speak computer code i'm sure you do this sort of thing on purpose. but if you don't speak code, if you're sort of a technical ledite like me and i think like most people you only ever do this by accident. because this is what it looks like when you do it. this is the website for madoblog.com. this is what it looks like when you go there normally. but if you right click on it to inspect the source code this is what pops up, right? which is neat. that's the guts of the website, that's the code that builds it, but it's also completely greek to me. completely greek unless you know what all that means. it's not just my website. here's the very famous very tidy front page of "the new york times," right? very familiar looking until you right click on it to inspect the source code, and this is what that looks like. this is what you get.

and sure enough to some people, not just to the people who write this stuff but to a lot of people who know how to read this stuff this is very coherent, this might even be poetry, this makes a lot of sense. but for most of us old fogeys and nontechnical folks this is hard to understand. but when the biden campaign back in august announced kamala harris was going to be the running mate for joe biden and they got this huge boost of momentum and attention and traffic to the biden campaign website, the tech website mashable went to the biden campaign website and they did that right click thing to inspect the code, to the spect the actual coding behind the biden campaign website and this is what they found. the biden website folks had embedded something into the source code of their website. they had embedded this, wear a mask. they spelled it out amid the source code for the web page right above the code for the

lending page where you could go buy biden branded face masks. oh, kids these days. they dropped that little thing in there only for people who would know how to find it, only for people who would be looking. they did that around the time they announced harris. they've also just done it now. after the trump administration and the president finally relented last night and agreed to belatedly, begrudgingly, officially start the transition the biden-harris transition website which is called build back better, it changed over to a .gov official website. it's now build better.gov, that is an official government thing funded and run by the federal government. and so their website is now a government website. and as previous administrations have done during their transitions the biden-harris transition has put out on that web page a public call for people to apply for jobs in the

new administration. you see that sort of yellow colored inset there, join the biden. harris administration. we are building an administration that looks like america. join us. and then there's that big blue button that you're supposed to click onto submit your résume. but, look, there's a secret embedded thing. if you don't just click there to submit your résume, if you right click there because you know computer code and you want to read the source code that makes this website tick, if you are code literal enough to be looking at the guts of the biden transition website and not just clicking on it normally like the rest of us, then, hello, here's something for you. you see it there? if you're reading this we need your help to build back better with that link for jobs. which means hey, tech person looking at this source code, we want you to consider joining this administration. we need you.

that's like putting help wanted ads for bouncers up at the local gym, or it's like trying to recruit new high level diplomats among people who are actually worked during diplomacy or to recruit high level national security people among people who have worked doing high level national security stuff. today vice president-elect joe biden rolled out to elect top security officials. there's always a bit of excitement around watching a new administration take shape. whether you like that new administration coming in or not, watching the new high ranking officials for the new administration get announced, it's like watching history write itself straight in front of you in days and months and perhaps years to come we'll have stories to tell. we'll understand modern american

history being made by all the people you see in this frame. today we saw them all at once. it's really something to watch. it's the president-elect holding his first cabinet rollout. it's of course happening in the middle of this pandemic, and it's happening in the wake of the most chaotic, unprofessional, disorganized administration in history. i mean, today in grave, grave contrast to every single thing done every day of the trump administration, today was organized. it was weird. it was like they had it together. they thought it through, these decisions they were making about the government were deliberate decisions madeoon purpose not just some impulsive thing they misspelled and misunderstood and threw together with no notice in a way that made no sense. i mean, just the way they rolled it out, the whole crew, joe biden, kamala harris, the six new high level appointees, they all walked out in masks keeping

6 feet social distance. they stood on marks to ensure they stayed a full 6 feet apart from each other the whole time. each of them spoke at that podium standing alone, distanced from everybody else on the stage. but in between each appointee's remarks a staffer came out and wiped the podium before the next speaker came up. and that was in between each of the speakers. and it was not them just taking that visible responsibility around covid, taking it seriously, allowing them to be seen taking it seriously, listening to these remarks today from the senior members of the biden administration, all these picks, they're all these sort of technocrattic, nonflashy very experienced people with years and years in some cases decades of experience in their field. almost all of them are seen as being widely respected even by people that come from different ideological backgrounds. they're all viewed as smart,

good decent people. pinch me. is this -- which country is this? it's almost unsettling today, right, to have this clear impression that these people who were just picked by the president-elect were not picked because, you know, the president liked someone called the guy mad dog once and that sounded cool. or the person was like the wedding planner for somebody else's son and so, sure that person should be in charge of federal housing in the northeast united states of america. you forget what it feels like to not see people appoint their kids to senior advisor jobs, right? you forget what it feels like to see technocrattic public servants who are inarguably hyper qualified for their jobs and ready to do them and prepared. and there at an organize event that make sense and taking seriously their experience for high level governments and

executed flawlessly. i think i remember a country like this. after the last four years we have had at this moment in our nation's history it just like felt like you could exhale for a moment. >> my late stepfather samuel pizar, he was one of nine children in poland, but the only one to survive the holocaust after four years in concentration camps. at the end of the war he made a break from a death march into the woods in bavaria. from his hiding place he heard a deep rumbling sound. it was a tank. but instead of the iron cross he saw painted on its side a five-pointed white star. he ran to the tank. the hatch opened, an african-american gi looked down at him. he got down on his knees and said the only three words that he knew in english his mother had taught him before the war. god bless america.

that's who we are. that's what america represents to the world however imperfectly. now we have to proceed with equal measures of humility and confidence. >> the department of homeland security has a noble mission to help keep us safe and to advance our proud history as a country of welcome. for 12 years i had the privilege to stand in a federal courtroom and announce alejandro mayorkas on behalf of the united states of america. the words on behalf of the united states of america meant everything to me and to my parents. my father and mother brought me to this country to escape communists. they cherished our democracy and were intensely proud to become united states citizens as was i. >> i will never forget that my role on this team is unique. better than that of a policy

advisor i will represent to you congress and the american public, the patriots who comprise our intelligence community. mr. president-elect, you know i have never shied away from speaking truth to power, and that will be my charge as director of national intelligence. >> sir, we will be individuvigi the face of enduring threats from nuclear weapons to terrorists. but you've also tasked us with re-imagining our national security for the unprecedented combination of crises we face at home and abroad, the pandemic, the economic crisis, the climate crisis, technological disruption, threats to democracy, racial injustice and inequality in all forms. the work of the team behind me today will contribute to progress across all of these fronts. >> no one should doubt the determination of this president and vice president. they shouldn't doubt the determination of the country

that went to the moon, cured supposedly incurable diseases and beat back global tyranny to win world war ii. the road ahead is exciting, actually. it means creating millions of middle class jobs. it means less pollution in our air, ocean. it means making life healthier for citizens across the world. and it means we will strengthen the security of every nation in the world. >> in the years that i've worked in government i'm always struck by how only in america would we be where we are today, where life can be hard and cruel but there's hope in the struggle. there's promise in our dreams, where you learn to believe in yourself in that anything is possible. and on this day i'm thinking about the american people, my fellow career diplomats and

public servants around the world. i want to say to you america is back. multilateralism is back. diplomacy is back. >> diplomacy is back, america is back. that's linda thomas-greenfield, the next u.s. ambassador to the united nations. also avvil haines, and john kerry, the next presidential envoy on climate, and jake s sullivan, and alejandro mayorkas and tony blinken talking about his stepfather who was rescued as a child by an american tank crew. this is some of the high profile faces of the new u.s. government after the trump era. those are the folks that we're going to get. we've got a lot to get to tonight. samantha power who was u.n.

ambassador under president obama, one of the high profile members of the national security apparatus, she's going to be here live with us in just a moment. i'm really looking forward to talking with her. we're also keeping an eye tonight on some of the stuff the trump white house appears to be trying to deliberately monkey wrench as they head out the door. and i continue to maintain that this stuff they've been doing has been way too low profile. i know it has been distracting to have a president claiming he secretly won the election, and there's some means by which he's going to fight to overthrow the results. but what's really been happening while he's been making all that noise is that the actual transition has involved trump administration officials messing stuff up on purpose in advance of biden and his team getting there. in some cases in ways that have potentially profound implications for national security. last night, for example, we talked about the outgoing trump administration suddenly announcing now after the election during the lame duck that they're not only pulling the united states out of the

open skies treaty, which among other things let's us fly surveillance flights out of russia. they're not only pull s out of that treaty, they're destroying the airplanes used by us to conduct those overflights under that treaty. so even if the incoming bielden administration wants to rejoin that treaty which is not a stretch ex-vice president biden, candidate biden criticized the trump administration very strongly when they said they wanted to pull out of that treaty. but if president biden wants to get back into the treaty, well, good luck to him. even if he puts the u.s. back in the treaty nominally, he won't have the actual ability to do those surveillance flights over russia anymore because trump is literally destroying the planes that are approved to do that surveillance. right now after the election in the lame duck. one u.s. official telling "the wall street journal" that these highly specialized surveillance planes used for the open skies

treaty are being, quote, liquidated right now by the trump administration. air force magazine has since tried to follow-up on what the heck is going on with this. look at what air force magazine found. this is such a perfect snapshot of what it's like right now in national security stuff as the trump administration is apparently trying to figure out ways to burn stuff down on their way out the door. this is from air force magazine today. quote, many details of how the u.s. military will wind down its participation in open skies are still murky. federal officials are largely keeping mum on the process of off-loading the jets, what will happen to the airmen who fly and maintain those jets as well as the pictures collected by the overflights. and if there's work under way to find an alternative to the plane based intelligence gathering which will now end as the u.s. pulls out of the treaty. a spokesman of the base in nebraska which manages the aircraft and the 45th recognizance squadron referred

questions about pulling out of the open skies treaty to the office of the secretary of defense. a spokesperson at the office of secretary of defense referred questions to u.s. strategic kmnd back at the air force base in nebraska. a strategic command spokesperson referred questions to the u.s. state department. the u.s. state department in turn directed questions back to the pentagon. the pentagon referred questions to the air force, and the air force declined to comment. so that's how we're handling us pulling out of this decades old international treaty that allows us to surveil russian military operations not only for our own purposes but also to help our european allies who are worried about russian aggression in europe. we're pulling out of itb. we're liquidating the planes we use for that surveillance, and who do we ask about this? even the airmen at the air force in nebraska who have been doing this program, do they still have jobs? what are they supposed to be

doing? they said ask the secretary of defense. the secretary of defense says ask strat comeback at the air force. the state department says ask the pentagon, the air force says no comment. this is how it's going. this is how they're handling the transition even on national security matters, active ones. not just matters of policy, matters of literal equipment being destroyed as we speak. but nbc news reports tonight that the biden transition today made contact with all federal agencies including the white house. some agency teams began arranging their first transition meetings today. approximately 20 transition meetings, first meetings took place today in this first day after president trump finally relented and allowed last night that the transition would be allowed to begin. the biden campaign made this statement. quote, career staff at federal agencies have been responsive, receptive and helpful within the

first few hours of formal engagement. notice they said career staff there. many career staff have been preparing for this moment for several months. their work is greatly appreciated as we begin making up for some lost time. yeah, making up for some lost time to say the least. making up for four years of lost governance as well. ticktock, samantha power joins us next. stay with us. ticktock, samantha power joins us next. stay with us subaru created the love event. where our new owners could choose a national or hometown charity. and subaru and our retailers would proudly make a donation. but now, in times like these, companies are having a hard choice to make. but subaru is more than a car company. and as charities struggle, we cannot just stand by. which is why we plan to donate over twenty four million dollars, again this year. the subaru share the love event, going on now. when panhe doesn't justs mmake a pizza. he uses fresh, clean ingredients

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here's a moment from president obama's big new memoir. he's describing interm deliberations about how the u.s. should respond to the up rising in egypt against the dictator there. it's part of the spring protest sweeping across the middle east and the government is conundrum, right? they're a long time u.s. ally even though he's essentially a dictator. president obama writes in his book, quote, in the square in chi row the demonstrations continue to swell as did violent clashes between protesters and police. i consulted my national security team to try to come up with an effective response. the group was divided almost entirely among generational lines. joe biden, hillary clinton, defense secretary bob gates, cnn

director leon panetta, all counseled caution. they acknowledged the need to press the egyptian leader on reform. there was no way of knowing who or what might replace him. meanwhile samantha power, ben rhodes, susan rice and joe's national security advisor tony blinken, they were convinced mubarak had fully lost -- rather than sanctioning the escalating use of force they considered it both strategically prudent and morally right for the u.s. to align itself with the forces of change. i shared my hopes with the younger advisers and the fears of my older ones. ultimately the u.s. government, the obama administration sided with the pros protesters and called for mubarak to step down,

which means the younger advisors won that argument. at one point he describes samantha power and ben rhodes as, quote, evoking my own youthful idealism, the part of me still untouched by cold calculation or caution dressed up as wisdom. even though this wasn't even a decade ago those folks now can no longer be seen as the scrappy young upstarts clashing with the establishment. i mean, they are the foreign policy establishment now. tony blinken who, again, is described there as joe's national security advisor in obama's book, he's now president-elect joe biden's choice for secretary of state. susan rice was on joe biden's very, very short list for vice president. she's under consideration for a major role in his administration. samantha por, where she succeeded susan rice as u.n. ambassador. she's now unquestionably one of the preeminent voices in foreign policy in the democratic party and in the united states of

america. and so, yes, everyone around the biden transition is carefully reading samantha powers new essay in foreign affairs in which she argues the new administration will have have to do more. quote, the new president will have to grappual the widespread view in key domains the u.s. doesn't have the competence to be trusted. restoring american leadership must include the more basic task of showing the u.s. is a capable problem solver once more. tall order. joining us now is samantha power, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations and also author of the memoir, the education of an idealeist which is excellent. thanks for making the time. >> always. president-elect biden has introduced some of the senior appointees that he's making in the national security and dip plumatic fields. many if not all the people who are on that stage with him today

are know are people you've worked with in various capacities. i have to ask your reaction to these announcements he's made and what it should tell us about what kind of president he'll be. >> i found today indescribably moving. i think you saw on that stage the resurrection of appreciation for expertise, the invocation of science and facts, the respect for the work force that so many of the people coming in as political appointees but really wanted to signal and stress already how much they value those people who have slogged it out for these four years and remained and tried to buck some of the worst tendencies of the trump political appointees. but also, rachel, i've got a kleenex box here that's a little emptier than it it was when the day started because i think a number of speakers talked about

something we haven't heard much of the last four years which is america as an idea. and there's so much, of course, wrong with how things have gone in so many domains. but the fact that tony blinken can talk about what america represented for his stepfather as he's getting liberated by an african-american g.i., that he could talk about his grandfather fleeing the pilgrims in russia, that ale mayorkas is going to become the first immigrant, the first latino to run dhs. dhs, that would be the agency stephen miller has deserted, unprecedented influence from the agency of the white house that has helped separate parents from their children. and here we have somebody that fled the communist regime in cuba, running that agency and reinjecting humanity and compassion and recognition that it is in america's interest to be a welcoming country, that look where the vaccine is going to come from, right? it's companies that are led by

immigrants or children of immigrants, and that understanding just pervaded what went on today. last thing i guess i was very struck by jake sullivan who will be team captain there then cockpit of the situation room. but he has run domestic policy of late, and he's a long time national security hand. but his understanding having helped oversee biden's domestic policy agenda, the pandemic response, the climate response, to build back better. for him now to be running foreign policy with such an unusual foreign national security and an unusual appreciation of the domestic policy agenda, the domestic constraints, the domestic landscape, the need for domestic constituencies, the need for our foreign policy to serve the middle class, it's really unusual and exceptional. so it was a rare, great clean day if i may. >> the argument that you made in

print in the essay you just published about restoring faith in american competence, not just america's desire to play a leading role in affairs and play protective and beneficial and supportive role to our allies but ability to do so kind of hit me where it hurts. because i feel like the whole idea of, you know, america first and america alone, it sort of makes sense that comes from the political right because it goes easily with this anti-government idea, that the united states shouldn't try to do things around the world and we shouldn't even try to do things necessarily to help our own people because government is inherently incompetent and inherently bad. and therefore the real role of government should be quite small and people should fend for themselves. that's a self-fulfilling prophecy if you bring that role into governance, and if you spend four years hollowing out denigrating and importing the use and function of government agencies. i'm worried and i have to ask how worried are you that the

trump administration has hobbled the ability of the u.s. government to do right, to do well when it comes to things like distributing a vaccine or being a responsible member of an international treaty? >> well, the case in point of course is the response to the pandemic. and nothing, no single event i think in recent at least american history has done more visible damage to america's standing in the world than having such a high per capita infection and death rate. this is the country of silicon valley, the country of henry ford, and steve jobs and the man on the moon and the berlin landing. and for the rest of the world now to see us in this light in part because of our divisions but, again, because largely half of those divisions was leading in a manner that was encouraging people not to take proper precautions and, you know, not to bring the country together at a time of national crisis. i take your point that it is a

self-fulfilling process that the ravaging of the environmental protection agency or the language expertise at the state department makes it hard for the president-elect and his team to come in and then reignite those elements who have so much competence to bring to bear. and a lot of people have stayed, rachel. a lot of people thought it was their civic duty and their patriotic duty to stay, to continue to fight, to throw their body in the tracks. often they found themselves marginalized, and they may be hard to find because they may be in some basement somewhere where they've sort of tried to hang on here waiting for the return of people who valued expertise. but i do think there are opportunities, they're opportunities that frankly should get bipartisan support that involve bringing the private sector in to a partnership with government. that is that also recognizes that there are things that non-government electors do

better than large government agencies and particularly large bureaucracies. so a couple of the things i mentioned, in fact, involve the pandemic response. we will not be able to get our economy really back on track until the global economic engine is purring again. that will not happen as long as people are dying of this virus and this pandemic in developing countries where our supply chains extend and our trade links reach into. and so it's in our interest to be part of a large burden sharing effort to get the vaccine to poor countries. yes, we've ordered 800 million vaccines for the american people. and of course keeping the american people safe is the commander in chief's responsibility but so, too, is getting america back to work. and so there's an example we're partnering with private foundations of course like bill gates but also these same companies making the vaccine along with returning to the world health organization,

covax, this global vaccine alliance. there's a way to be back at the table and shocasing what america has to offer well beyond restoring this or returning to that, doing something new and fresh and meeting people in their hour of great need. i also think education and our universities, what a way to showcase what america still has to offer in terms of intellectual capital than to welcome back international students, which by the way is a huge source of income for our economy when we don't have a pandemic. nonetheless trump allowed those numbers to begin to fall substantially, and for biden to make that a priority again 20% of african-american leaders today, rachel, have been educated in some form in an american university. that is a gift that keeps on giving well and apart the financial benefits and soft power benefits, again, to show what we still have to offer as a country. >> samantha power, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations, madam ambassador, thank you so much for being here

tonight. this is a delicate and really important but also often quite moving moment in american civic discourse. thanks for helping us understand it. thanks for being here. >> thanks. we have to appreciate the good days when we have them, rachel, i believe. >> that's exactly right. that's the thing i'm worst at in the world but you're exactly right. we'll be right back. stay with us. ctly right. we'll be right back. stay with us harm. they left his nose raw, with each wiping motion. so dad extinguished the problem, with puffs plus lotion. puffs have up to 50% more lotion to soothe your blows. bringing softness and relief to your sensitive nose. don't get burned by ordinary tissues. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed.

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minnesota was not close. biden won minnesota by about a 7 point margin or a quarter million votes. but the chair of the republican party says you know what, that just doesn't seem right to her. she's gone public this week with her belief it just seems in her words, unusual that trump would lose minnesota. she said it seems extremely dae -- extremely abnormal to her. the state republican chair in minnesota is named jennifer

carnahan. she's been getting dragged by the minnesota press ever since for trying to float this particular boat. but today she did get a bit of backup when republicans filed a lawsuit in minnesota insisting that the minnesota vote cannot be certified. the process of certifying the vote in minnesota must be stopped. it cannot be allowed until there's a statewide audit of all the votes in the election. why should certification be stopped so there can be an audit? well, they have this vague sense that something's wrong, that this just can't be the result. so what's going to happen with this last minute odd trump lawsuit in minnesota? i can cut to the chase by telling you that, first of all, this lawsuit was filed wrong. it was filed without some of its important constituent parts. also by the time they got around to finally getting this little ball of wax together minnesota had actually already finished certifying its votes. so lawsuit or no lawsuit it's

done now. biden won minnesota by a lot. and this failed weird last minute lawsuit interrupt s effort by the trump folks today is not going to change that and is never going to change that. but they're still trying these things. trump also sued in wisconsin today where biden beat trump by about 20,000 votes. that lawsuit demands the state shouldn't certify the results of that election at all. not just delay the certification. in wisconsin they want the whole election result thrown out. no election result should be certified at all. and instead republicans in the wisconsin state legislator should just be allowed to pick their own preferred winner of the presidential election. sure, why not? good luck there. the trump folks filed these lawsuits today, by the way. right, the transition started last night with the president even admitting just go ahead, but they're still going on with these lawsuits.

i should tell you the trump campaign also announced excitedly today there's going to be what they're calling a hearing by the pennsylvania state senate on the conduct of the presidential election in pennsylvania. ooh, a legislative hearing in pennsylvania after they've already certified the vote there? they're going to hold a legislative hearing investigating the election, really after certification they are? no, actually. read the fine print here. do you remember when the trump folks had their big press conference in philadelphia and the president said it was at the four seasons but it turned out it was actually in the parking lot of the four seasons landscaping company by the crematorium and the porn store? well, same kind of thing here. they're calling it a pennsylvania state senate hearing, but this legislative hearing is not at the pennsylvania state senate, not at had legislator, not even the capitol city. it's just republicans in pennsylvania going to the hotel in gettysburg, the wyndham

hotel, unless perhaps it's wyndham total landscaping. and at the hotel they're going to hear a presentation from rudy giuliani sponsored by grecian formula. i mean, they're calling this like the pennsylvania ledge s lacher is investigating. pennsylvania certified the vote, so did minnesota. is this going to be a constant now, right? is this going to be a thing trump related folks do every day, basically a grift vehicle to continue to raise money from people who think rudy's going to do something other than talk, right? gull bbl people who think there's a magic rabbit to pull out of a hat that will somehow make trump king and send all the democrats to guantanamo. nevada, pennsylvania, mexico,

minnesota all certified their results today. but even so still today the trump folks filed more lawsuits including in minnesota while the vote was being certified. and in wisconsin. i mean, why are they still filing these things even today? and importantly are any of them more substantive than the dozens of lawsuits and complaints they've had laughed out of court already? that's actually worth paying attention to as a matter of substances, and we'll get that expert advice on that next. stay with us. expert advice on that next stay with us they left his nose raw, with each wiping motion. so dad extinguished the problem, with puffs plus lotion. puffs have up to 50% more lotion to soothe your blows. bringing softness and relief to your sensitive nose. don't get burned by ordinary tissues. a nose in need deserves puffs indeed.

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wisconsin and minnesota they have a shot to get there. they're currently at 36 losses with another eight cases not ruled upon. could they get to 50 straight losses in the courts with these election law challenges? we know why trump and his allies filed all those flurries of bad lawsuits sort of before yesterday. but it is -- does feel sort of different now. it feels somewhat more surprising to see them still doing it even now that so many states have certified their votes and the transition has started and it really does feel quite over. are any of these continued efforts anymore significant than the three dozen straight cases they have lost since november 3rd? why are they still doing this? joining us now is an election law attorney and nbc news election law analyst. nice to have you here. thank you for your time. >> great to be with you. >> so i haven't followed every twist and turn of all the dozens of lawsuits they've filed, but

i've followed a bunch of them. these new ones that were just filed feel a little different. they have a slightly different cast. are they anymore substantive than all the lawsuits that have been thrown out? >> they're not, and i think they're even less substantive than the initial round that was filed by rnc lawyers and other regular republican lawyers. i think what you're seeing now in minnesota, for example, the lawsuit as you mentioned was too late to stop certification there. and if you look at the substance and the timing i think it's pretty clear this is some political opportunism at play with a couple of the republican state legislators filing suits simply to gain favor with trump voters. so it seems that someone's bucking for a promotion, and that's what's behind this. and you also saw this in pennsylvania with congressman mike kelly who filed a junk lawsuit just recently and a lot of the speculation is that was

to help him angle in for an advantage in the coming 2022 senate primary race to fill pat toomey's seat coming up. so i think what you're seeing now is a lot of political opportunism. and it's the same rehash, recycled claims that we're all familiar with now. and i don't expect them to have anymore success than the prior batch of lawsuits. >> do judges have the ability to look at these lawsuits not just in terms of the individual cases being brought before them but looking at them as that kind of a project that you're describing, as something that's rehashed other -- the same disproven or nonexistent claims that have been rejected by other courts. i mean, at a certain point is there any legal risk, for example, for the lawyers bringing these things? they're not just being rejected narrowly by courts. it seems they're really being

laughed out of court. and as they keep doing it in state after state and court after court for political effect or as you say for fund-raising effect, eventually do the courts get mad enough being used this way there could be consequences for people bringing them? >> i think a judge will look at each case in front of them as they should. but i think with the passage of time what's happening now, the longer this process goes the more futile this whole effort is. and i think you'll see progressively harsher treatment by judges. i mean, you saw over the weekend in pennsylvania a conservative judge, conservative federal judge call pair the trump campaign's arguments to frankenstein's monster and dismiss the claims in front of him. the fact that, you know, certifications are happening, and a judge will not and should not overturn the will of tens of

thousands of voters. that's not what the court process and the litigation process is really for. and judges realize that, and i think they'll act accordingly. they have thus far, certainly. >> matthew sanderson is an attorney co-leader and a political law group and an nbc news election analyst. thanks very much for being with us tonight. i appreciate you being so straight with us on this stuff. >> thanks for having me. all right, we'll be right back. stay with us. all right, we'll be right back stay with us still fresh

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here's the quadcity times today in iowa. we are at a crisis point. in raleigh, north carolina, here's the news and observer, weir in danger. the reno gazette in nevada, quote, i really am worried. and below that, health care system bracing amid covid-19 patient surge. below that there's this. one in five washoe county tests are positive for covid-19. 1 in 5. in tennessee the commercial appeal, front page, quote, pastor makes plea to stay home for thanksgiving. the top headline there featuring the pastor from brown missionary baptist church in south haven. look at that heart breaking subheadline which explains why the pastor is making that plea. churches funerals up 50% from last year. this is what all americans woke up to this this morning as the virus continues to rage

absolutely out of control. a new study from university utah finding state law mask mandates helped decrease covid-19 cases, they also helped boost the economy because they help people feel safe enough to shop more. utah study bolsters utah study finds that masks help to decrease the spread of covid by as much as 50%. studies from vanderbilt university shows that masks lower covid hospitalizations. one of the blessings here is that the science about what we need to do is so clear. we just need to follow that science. that does it for us tonight. see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. and on the day that the president pardoned the turkey, as it traditional, the talk of pardons started tonight. a new report out saying trump confidants saying he plans to pardon michael flynn. try to sound surprised when you hear that, rachel. try act