during the holidays as the coronavirus rages across the country. >> there is real hope. tangible hope. so hang on. don't let yourself surrender to the fatigue, which i understand it is real fatigue. i know we can and we will beat this virus. >> well, biden delivered a very presidential message. president trump called into a gettysburg hotel gathering of loyalists for a ten-minute rant on more unfounded election accusations. and then taking a break from his election obsession to pardon michael flynn and retweeting a suggestion he could potentially pardon himself to avoid any future federal prosecution. and we have breaking news here in new york. the supreme court ruling that governor andrew cuomo cannot enforce new occupancy limits on religious institutions as covid-19 cases rise in the state.

let's start with nbc's gabe gutierrez in new york city with more on the supreme court decision. gabe, what is the reaction to this overnight injunction and how could it impact the restrictions that were put in place? >> reporter: happy thanksgiving, yes, it was a rare late night injunction, blocking as you mentioned governor cuomo from enforcing those 10 and 25-person limits on religious institutions. lawsuit was brought by catholic churches and jewish synagogues in brooklyn, but the immediate practical impact of it is that it won't make much difference because those restrictions, the more strict restrictions were not in place, those areas were under yellow sections, so to speak, here in new york city. so not the most restrictive places where they were trying to limit covid-19, but, chris, what does do it is it highlights the impact of justice amy coney barrett on this, she sided with her more conservative colleagues on the court, it was a 5-4 decision, and in the unsigned

majority opinion the court said these restrictions essentially violated religious freedom. now, the state had argued that it was really trying to limit the spread of covid-19, and that it did not signal out religious institutions, but the court in its 5-4 opinion did say that these restrictions seemed to be more harsh on religious institutions than its would on secular businesses. so right now there has been no reaction overnight, at least not yet from the governor's office, but this highlights the more conservative shift in the supreme court. chris? >> gabe gutierrez, thank you. joining me now, msnbc political reporter ali vitaly in delaware, kelly o'donnell at the white house and los angeles times white house reporter eli stokele. great to have you all. happy thanksgiving to you, thank you for spending part of your holiday with us.

what might happen next what can you tell us? >> well, good to be with you, chris, happy thanksgiving. in in some ways president trump was following tradition, tradition that he linked to the thanksgiving holiday, by putting this full pardon for michael flynn in the context of gratitude and almost as a gift to michael flynn. when i say holiday tradition, of course, the president will be keeping his own here today, observing the holiday with family and so forth, not in florida like they typically would be. and tradition is also a part of the end of a presidential term, when pardons become expected. if there were ever a pardon in the trump era that was anticipated, it was most likely michael flynn, because he's the only white house official, current or former, who was convicted in connection with the russia investigation, we know how much the president has railed against that over the years. so this was anticipated, and yet it is still very significant and

has drawn a great deal of criticism with democrats saying this is a brazen act of corruption and abuse of power and harmful to the national security because flynn had pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about some of his communications with at the time the russian ambassador before the trump administration took office. now, the retweet today, the president has been doing quite a bit of that, included comments from florida congressman matt gates who talked about the need for the president to pardon anyone associated with the russia investigation and what they claim to be the inappropriate investigations of the trump administration or from a conservative point of view including himself. that was also said in jest by throwing the thanksgiving turkey in there, of course that pardon happened this week as well on the lighter side. but including himself is important, because the president did retweet that, and we know in the past he has signaled that he

believes his pardon power is absolute and would include himself or any potential federal offenses. but it is the political downside and the fact it never has been tested in our history that raise questions about how would that power be used. today, nancy pelosi also put out a thanksgiving message, reacting to the pardon as well, and indicated that she believes lawmakers need to consider some constraints on presidential power from the legislative side, that's something that, of course, would likely be contested in court because of the constitutional nature of the president's power, will he use it again before he leaves office? that's widely expected. he's done so 29 times so far and another 16 commutations. some of them have been politically very notable. flynn among them. will there be others? that's some of what we'll be waiting for in the remaining weeks of the trump term. chris? >> so, eli, we have seen some mixed messages from the president recently. allowing the gsa to move forward

with the transition and then doing that bizarre call to the pennsylvania republican meeting to claim he won the election. what are you hearing? what is going on behind the scenes at the white house now? >> well, i mean, it is basically been the same situation since the election. the president is struggling with how to accept reality at some point, which is just a figure out a plan for how to go forward come january 20th, how to move into perhaps another campaign immediately, and really, you know, the president as he has for the last four years consuming just a lot of news and watching television, talking, working the phones with friends and allies, and trying to figure out how to play this. the pressure that built up about the gsa, that has been relieved a little bit. but not surprising that we saw the president present that as something that he directed the gsa administrator to do, even though the foot dragging everybody understands was the result of not wanting to upset the president by acknowledging

that joe biden had won the election, and that it was time to begin the transition. you know, and so it is really everybody -- there are a lot of folks in the white house looking for new jobs because that's the reality they face. but there is still this need to sort of tiptoe around the reality, so as not to set off the president. he thinking about announcing a new campaign for president in 2024, trying to freeze the republican power structure in place, and i think since that tweet announcing the gsa was going to unlock the transition money for the biden transition, the president has clamped down an tried to return at least publicly to that position of this isn't over, we're still fighting, i think that explains why you saw him calling in to the press conference yesterday, he had planned to actually go to gettysburg himself until there was an issue with one of the -- another member of the legal team becoming positive for the coronavirus. and he used that as an excuse to not go. but he still called in and still

pushing this fallacy that the election was fraudulent, even though they have no evidence for that. he's still pushing this idea and trying to continue to tell his supporters the same story he's been telling for four years, whether it is the government, the deep state has been out to get him, the media has been out to get him, the election is fraudulent, anything that is inconvenient for him he has a conspiracy theory to explain it and he's continuing to sell those sort of nonsensical theorys to his supporters because he wants them to remain with him, whatever he decides to do, after january 20th. >> yeah, for sure on that he's been consistent. so, ally, on the opposite end of the spectrum you have president-elect biden trying to practice what he preaches by keeping things small on what is usually a big holiday celebration for his family. and also giving that very presidential speech yesterday and saying with basic message the virus is the enemy, and not

each other. talk about what we heard from him and what we see today. >> yeah, chris, the themes that these two politicians are focusing on within the day before thanksgiving and on thanksgiving itself could not be more different for president donald trump clearly as kelly and eli were laying out, it is a time for political scores to be settled and he believes that the dust is not settled on the election. over here in biden world though, the dust has more than settled on the election, they're firmly on solid ground moving forward with their transition and the focus is on the crises ahead, specifically the coronavirus, which is impacting as you mentioned the president-elect's thanksgiving plans as well as millions of other americans and people across the world today as they figure out what this virus means for thanksgiving, but also the rest of the holiday season ahead as well as our everyday lives. biden really leveling with the american people yesterday, speaking to the fact that this is not a good situation. we're seeing cases continue to rise, we already have seen more than 260,000 americans killed

from this virus. and biden unfortunately no stranger to tragedy, speaking to this morning in an op-ed and yesterday in those remarks the empty chair that might be at some americans' tables this thanksgiving and how hard that is. but he also offered a message of optimism saying that while the federal government has a role to play, and certainly that's a role that he'll step into in january, he also offered to americans the fact that this is a moment for individual responsibility, that might mean scaling back thanksgiving, it also means wearing a mask, social distancing, doing all the mitigating measures we talked about for so many months now as we tried to keep this virus under control ahead of a time early next year when we can begin the vaccination process. and for biden, it is really been a continuous split screen on this. i was so struck watching him yesterday, speak to the death toll and those americans who we have lost, it is really a marked difference from the way that we have heard the current president talk about this crisis, where he's often tried to put a little bit of a rosier picture on

things, and instead speak to the way forward as opposed to speaking to the thing that americans are feeling right now, which is frustration, anxiety, confusion over the fact that this is still lasting so long. biden really stepping into that role of an empathetic leader and it is notable because it is something we heard him do on the campaign trail over the course of the last few years, clearly something he'll bring to the role now as he assumes the role of commander in chief. >> ally, as she has been in delaware, kelly o'donnell and eli stokeles, thank you to all of you. i want to bring in andrew weizman, former fbi general counsel and former senior member of the mueller probe, author of "summary and analysis," and the author of a new new york times opinion piece, asking the question, should trump be prosecuted? it is great to see you. happy thanksgiving. and i want to start there because we saw the president retweeting about pardoning himself, something we have never seen before, but could it

happen? >> so my view is it definitely could happen, because there frankly is little downside to the president of the united states to try it. it never has been tested before. and so it means the supreme court would have to rule on it if there were to be a future federal investigation of the president. but the worst thing that would happen to him is that the supreme court says he didn't have that power and he could be subject to prosecution. so he's no worse off if he tries it and fails. at the very least it would delay things. there is a lot of academic research to suggest that you cannot pardon yourself, but the constitution is not clear on what you can or cannot do. so given there is very little downside for president trump to try it, i suspect and given his

signaling that that's what he's thinking about and, you know, i suspect that's going to happen. one thing about president trump, whether you love him or hate him, he's pretty transparent about what he's thinking, even if you find it outrageous and inappropriate. >> he does not hold back. that is for sure. i want to ask you about the piece you wrote for the times, because the president-elect joe biden seems a little hesitant to embrace your idea of having the next attorney general investigate president trump, let me play for you a little bit of what he told lester holt about that. >> some democrats want investigations to go forward against president trump after he leaves office. do you support that? >> i will not do what this president does and use the justice department as my vehicle to insist that something happened. >> do you get that, given where the country is today, frankly,

we know that president-elect does not want his administration to be overwhelmed by trump, trump, trump, and then there are also ongoing investigations on the state level. >> i think that president-elect biden is in the clip that you just played is making a slightly different point that i agree with, which is in that clip, what he's saying is that is not a decision, the decision whether to investigate or prosecute the former president or frankly anyone else, that is not a decision that the white house should be making, it is a decision that the attorney general should be making, to avoid what we have seen for the last four years, which is president trump using the department of justice as a weapon against his enemies, and to absolve his friends as we just have seen with michael flynn, where he got the department of justice to try to dismiss the case and when that

didn't work, he just went ahead and issued a pardon. so i totally agree with what you heard from president-elect, that that is admirable to leave that to the attorney general. and i think for viewers, it is really important to understand the reason for that principle is, you know, all around the world we see autocratic countries where there is no rule of law, where presidents and prime ministers use their justice department to go after political enemies and have trumped up charges. so we don't want to turn into that. but the second issue is whether the attorney general should make that decision of going forward with an investigation. and that's what i read about in "the new york times." i think while there are certainly political reasons to look forward, i think that there are also substantial reasons why an attorney general would want

to vindicate the rule of law and really have a position that, you know, even the president of the united states and frankly especially the president of the united states is not above the law. >> it is a great argument that you make. i recommend it to people. we literally have 30 seconds left, but i have to ask you about michael flynn. he lied, for people who say so what, that's what government officials do, and by the way, his family issued a statement blaming vengeful individuals intent on destroying general flynn in our country, what do you say? >> you have to remember michael flynn actually admits under oath to a federal judge that he lied two times, to the fbi, he lied to the vice president of the united states, and he did so while he was the national security adviser to the president of the united states. and in addition he committed the crime which was lobbying for a

foreign country without disclosing it. so he's got a host of criminality and for him now to be denying it is frankly the reason why it was so inappropriate to give him a pardon. >> andrew wiseman, good to see you on this thanksgiving day. thank you for spending a bit of your holiday with us. coming up, sidelined of the a big nfl matchup postponed due to a covid outbreak as americans celebrate a very different thanksgiving this year. plus, urgent plea. medical officials across the country urging americans to stay home. what the holidays will mean for the spread and when we'll know the answer to that. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. before we talk about tax-smart investing, what's new? -audrey's expecting... -twins! ♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan.

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at least three potential covid vaccines are giving us all something to be grateful for this thanksgiving. but one of the manufacturers,

astrazeneca, is facing tough new questions today over a vaccine it claimed to be cheap and up to 90% effective. a new report in "the new york times" reads astrazeneca acknowledged a key mistake in the vaccine dosage received by some study participants adding to questions about whether the vaccine's spectacular efficacy will hold up under additional testing. let's bring in infectious disease epidemiologist dr dr. syra madod. always good to see you. i want to talk about this report. it says some trial participants got a partial dose of the vaccine, and experts say there were a series of other irregularities and omissions in the way astrazeneca disclosed the data and it is causing them to question the reliability of the results. does this make emergency authorization here in this country less likely? how does something like this even happen? >> this is where transparency is

so important and looking at the data set and making it available is also really important. so the -- the irregularities you mentioned are not new, you know. this is something that based on past experience and has happened but this is where we need to see what the data is showing. i think with this particular vaccine with astrazeneca, there are a lot more questions than we have answers. we have two other promising vaccines and so we are, you know in a good position, having these tools now, but we need to continue to maintain vigilance because this is a critical period with certain covid-19 cases. >> do you worry that headlines like this will make some people step back and wonder whether they should get a vaccine or be in the first round of people getting vaccine? we had already seen the polls where i think surprising numbers of people said they weren't going to get the vaccine, certainly not on the first round. >> absolutely. the vaccine hesitancy is at an all time high now and these news and articles and showing that

vaccines may not have -- the manufacturer has not disclosed all this information in terms of pharmaceutical companies, so that is putting a damper on the trust and the american people and wanting to get vaccinated. i think individuals also know they may not have a choice of what may be available to them. we don't know from a state perspective what vaccines will have to be made available to states. there is a couple right now that are in the bucket. and so, again, just need more transparency, need a better communications plan. we put so much billions of dollars in the development of these vaccines, we put zero dollars in the communication campaign that goes with it and the education that goes with it. >> and while we search for that cure, that vaccine, we're also looking for ways to treat people who are fighting the virus right now. and there have been people like president trump, housing and ushing development secretary ben carson, the former new jersey governor chris christie, who have praised the antibody cocktails, drugs like regeneron that they got and they believe helped them to recover quickly.

doesn't mean though everybody can get their hands on them, there is a new story today in the washington post that reads frustrated doctors say they have to ration the regeneron medication, give it to trump and similar one to eli lilly if they can get them at all because of extremely short supply. do we know what's going on here? is this a case where everything is moving so fast, it is understandable that we're not keeping up or is there something systemically that wasn't done that accounts for why people can't get this medication that a lot of doctors say they need. >> so, you know, first, this is great news that we have, you know, more tools in our toolbox to treat patients. and to have more preventative tools, now, the scale up and having this available from a wide perspective, that's much more difficult, especially when you talk about monoclonal antibodies. there is a pretty rigorous manufacturing process. that's not surprising. i think the companies have

mentioned they're going to make many more doses available in the coming weeks to months, but certainly not enough right now for the general population and so there is going to be this inclusion and exclusion part here, who gets it and who is not and go from there. >> yeah, with hospitalizations continuing to spike, let's hope that happens sooner rather than later. good to see you, thank you so much and happy thanksgiving to you and your family. filling out the cabinet, who is next on the list for the incoming biden administration? and what are the president-elect's choices told us about his strategy? re the president-elect's choices told us about his strategy? - [announcer] welcome to intelligent indoor grilling

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coronavirus has impacted just about every aspect of this year's thanksgiving and that includes a last minute change to the holiday football lineup. a covid outbreak is forcing the nfl to postpone today's highly anticipated baltimore ravens matchup with the unbeaten pittsburgh steelers. nbc's morgan chesky is with us with more. what's going on? >> reporter: good morning. these thanksgiving day games have become as much of a tradition as the pumpkin pie and the turkey and the cowboys, of course, hosting a game, along with the detroit lions as they have done for the past several

decades. but a third game today featuring arguably one of the best teams in the entire league is now off the table, courtesy of covid-19. this morning a primetime turkey day clash now on the back burner. the baltimore ravens, the latest team trying to contain a covid outbreak, at least seven players tested positive or identified as close contacts. the team saying in a statement they have disciplined a staff member for conduct surrounding the recent covid-19 cases. in turn, the nfl said it is postponing the thanksgiving day matchup out of, quote, an abundance of caution. >> we have been a very deep dive into this situation, we have interviewed everyone involved. we feel like we have a good handle on exactly when transmission occurred. >> reporter: some steelers players frustrated by the delay. wide receiver juju smith shuster says first the nfl takes away our bye week because another team can't get their covid situation together and now our thanksgiving primetime game for

the same reason. chase claypool tweeting simply, what a joke. the league cracking down even further on virus protocols. announcing players must wear masks on the sidelines if not entering the game or wear a helmet. that follows another mask mane date requiring staff and players to wear them at all times at team facilities including during practice and weight rooms. team meetings must be held virtually or in a large indoor space approved by the league. and all meals have to be made grab and go to avoid players and staff spending time in cafeterias. the nfl motivated not just by growing cases inside their own sport, but across the country. the league's chief medical officer putting out this thanksgiving psa, warning fans to look out for any covid symptoms. >> in today's day and time it always covid until proven otherwise. if someone in the house has the symptoms, isolate them, get them tested immediately, make sure

they don't interact with anyone else. >> reporter: the baltimore ravens are punishing a strength and conditioning coach after they found out he had not consistently reported symptoms and was not routinely wearing a mask and they think in turn that might have led to the rash of covid-19 infects on that team. the team hoping their proactive approach in that punishment will lighten any fine or potential punishment from the nfl as they have to deal with the fact that they lost one of their biggest thanksgiving games. chris? >> morgan chesky, thank you so much. coming up, a day in the lie, life, how family also coping as coronavirus affected work life, child care and schooling at home. plus, safety in the skies as many are traveling for the holidays, what you need to know about airlines' plans for protecting against the pandemic. protecting against the pandemic.

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thanksgiving is a time to be with family and the ones we love, but this year, of course, we're juggling this new reality, and who can sit at our thanksgiving table is just the latest challenge. in many homes parents are working and children are learning, under the same roof, trying to muddle through this new normal of 24/7 together time. so we caught up with one family in philadelphia who is juggling it all. ♪ >> hi, we're the devega family in philadelphia and we're working from home and going to school from home during the pandemic. >> it is always been a circus, life in general with kids. but being at home with them all the time, i would say it is a little bit like being in the jungle. you don't know what's going to pop up next. >> you're juggle all the balls and got them all in the air and something will go wrong. owen is our 15-year-old. he's in tenth grade. samantha is our 10-year-old and she's in fifth grade. and henry is our little one,

he's 4, and he's in pre-k. and our great dane is named chewy. and he's 9 years old. and our cat is named crunkle and he's 2 years old. >> usually i'll get up 4: 30 or 5:00 in the morning, and at that time because everyone is still asleep hopefully i try to get a little work done actually. and then around, you know, 6:30 my youngest usually wakes up. the kids are online at about 8:00 for school. >> i do miss in person school. i got to interact with my friends, i got to, like, sit at a lunch table, and we wouldn't really have to have like all this help connecting with computer and stuff. >> there have been tears, i definitely cried a few times. >> never-ending laundry. >> i'm, like, the cleaning person, vacuum a lot, sometimes you have to flip your hat back and forth in 60 seconds. it is, like, mom, i need you to braid my hair. it is doing this and then it is, like, this person didn't meet

this deadline, you need to talk to them about it and flip into that personality. >> you'll be in the middle of doing something for work and all of a sudden there is someone spilled orange juice, just yesterday the dog threw up all over the carpet. >> some days i wake up and i feel like i can't believe we're still doing this every day. >> i think the best part is probably that i'm able to, like, be here with my parents and my family. >> we're tired, we're working hard, but we're happy. >> all right. ready? >> ready. >> as hard as it is to go through this, none of is will forget this experience. >> boy, did you just state best part is being with her parents? that's a little thanksgiving miracle, isn't it? anyway, thanks to them for letting us invade their house for a day, i think it is something we're all going through right now. by the way, when it comes to school, there is new hope today for getting students and teachers back into classrooms. school systems in several states have remained closed, of course,

while the latest surge is forcing hundreds more to reclose and go back to virtual learning. that includes the nation's largest public school system, new york city. but, a new testing strategy being pioneered here and the u.s. and in the uk looks to radically reduce the costs and logistical challenges of mass testing students. nbc news global correspondent willem marks joins me from london. i understand this is both a cheap test and less invasive. tell us about it. >> you've no doubt seen how uncomfortable it is to have a swab jabbed up your nose and thrust into the back of your throat. this is type of test requires you simply spit into a little plastic tube, a saliva test. scientists figured out a way to extract the viral rna from a saliva sample. it is just as accurate, almost as specific and sensitive as some of the existing tests. it does typically at the moment

require a laboratory. but here in the uk, they have been trying this in a small number of schools and across the eastern seaboard dozens of schools have introduced this weekly testing strategy with kids dropping off saliva samples, the morning rush, the beginning of the school day. i sat down with ann wily from the yale school of public health, she has introduced a protocol that allows labs in 20 states to -- this kind of regime this kind of testing regime. and i asked her why she thought the approach could scale up. >> if more people are seeing this and can see tass a reliable option or cheaper option and having the support from, you know, higher up levels will have it rolled out further. >> some of the schools on the eastern seaboard relying on a different type of testing technology, out of brooklyn this is cheap because entire

classrooms are tested at once in a batch or pool as it is known, if there is a positive for sars covid 2, the entire batch can be split down and individuals identified. but it is a quick way of making sure this classroom is clear, let's move on, you can test more efficiently those coming in per child, per week of $15. >> do you have a sense of how quickly this could get ramped up? i've done actually both kinds of tests, i've had as you say up your nose into your brain tests, not the most fun i've ever had in my life, but the saliva test is a lot like if anybody has done like ancestry.com, and basically you spit into a tube over and over and over again until you reach the level on the line, but how quickly could they ramp something like this up, and are you getting a sense where you are in the uk that it really is catching on? >> well, so here in the uk they have been trialing it at a small number of schools in the south of the country with government

backing. parents haven't paid anything for this. this is part of the moon shot testing strategy in the uk. in the u.s., like all of the testing challenges, it is relying on lab capacity and what is so great about this pooling system is that that lab capacity is not such a problem. you can test up to 240 people at once. they have got the sensitivity crack now, so they can tell you there is one person that has the virus in a group of 240, they can then drill down and do that more specific testing, it can allow much more people to be tested at once, but that kind of technology does require the labs to retool in order to introduce the protocol from yale is something that relies on equipment and technology that exists in most major university hospital labs. there is something that is part of an arsenal of testing strategies could be very useful in the months to come, particularly since, don't forget, kids will not be able to get the vaccine. not being trialed on young people so far, chris. >> yeah, this is a very

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so the steelers/ravens game as you probably know which was supposed to be today was postponed because of covid. now the cleveland browns have just tweeted that they were informed this morning that a player there has tested positive. their entire facility is closed. meetings are going to be taking place remotely while contact tracing takes place. they say their priority is the health and safety of our players, coaches and staff and the entire community. having said that no word on what will happen with their game, which is scheduled for this sunday at 1:00 p.m. meantime, thanksgiving night has always been the de facto kickoff to black friday shopping. but this year with a lot of stores closed today, it is going to feel quite different.

nbc news business correspondent jo ling kent is in los angeles and says because major stores closed for the day citing health and safety reasons, that's giving online sales a big bump. >> reporter: remember those black friday door with shoppers crammed together, clamoring to grab deep discounts? well now, those will be considered super spreader events and stores are trying to prevent them. so today, major retailers like walmart, target, best buy and many others choosing to stay closed until tomorrow morning, where black friday will now include an array of new safety measures. for many shopping centers, it's unclear how many people are going to show up in person on black friday, but they're ready regardless. they have the social distancing signs and mobile reservations and of course lots of hand sanitizing stations to make sure it's safe, if shoppers decide to come out. >> i'm still a shopper that likes to touch and feel what i'm getting. >> reporter: the upside, smaller

crowds. >> used to be packed. now you can walk through and leave. it's amazing. >> reporter: experts say expect the same stoundiscounts but difference in stores. >> you may need to stand in line, need to wear a mask. >> reporter: with 75% of shoppers saying they prefer buying online this holiday season, shopping is expected to be competitive for super hot items with online queues. >> guys don't worry. we have four chances to get it from walmart. >> reporter: some shoppers hoping to nab picks like the pj5, relying on jake randall for tips and tricks. >> target's up. target's up. >> reporter: aside from big ticket electronics and toys, experts say relax. the great deals will last well into next week and beyond. >> there's really not one big sales day this year. retailers want to make sure they are avoiding crowds and reducing risks so they spread their sales out. >> and jo says when it comes to

shipping, the advice is to ship directly to your gift recipient, if you're buying online and get it out the door by december 11th to build in extra days in case the shipments are running late. so ahead of black friday, millions are on the move for the holiday despite the cdc's plea for people to stay home this thanksgiving. long lines, packed terminals at airports all around the country, the types of crowds that the tsa simply hasn't seen since the pandemic began. more than 1 million people were screened wednesday, a slight uptick from earlier in the week. i want to bring in the founder an ceo of the points guy, brian kelly. happy thanksgiving. how are the airlines doing? have they brought back furloughed staff, are there safety measures in place particularly at airports where frankly as we see in videos social distancing is virtually nonexistent. >> some airlines and airports

are better than others but i think they've done a good job at keeping people safe throughout the airport. the tsa has clearly marked lines and plastic guards everywhere. download your airline app so you don't have to, you can minimize your contact with check-in agents. >> yes, and that checked bag line that i saw last few times i've flown is crazy. what kinds of guidelines specifically are you seeing and what about enforcement? it's one thing to put a sign up that says everybody has to wear a mask, to put those round dots on the floor that say stay six feet apart but then you look and see it isn't feasible with a long line. they'd be out the door and down the block.

>> some airlines were better than others and i also recommend to people certain airlines have gone above and beyond with blocking middle seats and capacity on the actual airline. delta has extended their policy through march. alaska as well through january, so choose wisely the airlines that you fly and please respect the markers. every airport in the u.s. will have them, seats blocked off in the waiting area. i also recommend eat before you go to the airport. every time you bring your mask down in a public place you're putting yourself at risk so eat or bring your own snacks, because especially in the airports a lot of the restaurants are closed. >> yes, for sure. and i saw something cool in today's "washington post," it's an article about a germ zapping robot called the light strike used in san antonio international, but it costs about $125,000 how are ails

balancing safety with cost? it's 125 grand, maybe need a half dozen and this thing might be over in six months. talk about what you know about the decisions being made. >> i've seen a lot of new innovation that i think will be good for travel long-term. electrostatic spraying of the gate area and remember, covid is just one of many viruses that can make you sick so i'm hopeful that the industry will become more sustainably clean long-term, but i've seen things in dubai that have been innovative with corridors where it will automatically kill all the germs on your body, drones to disinfect entire plazas. hopefully these will be safe long-term. i know a lot of this technology has come up very quickly, but i think the whole travel experience will be safer long-term. >> brian kelly who of course was in dubai. thank you so much, the points guy, happy thanksgiving to you and yours. we'll continue to follow the breaking news, the supreme court

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happy thanksgiving, and thank you for staying with us. i'm chris jansing in new york. we have the latest reaction to president trump's decision to side-step the courts and pardon former national security adviser

michael flynn. flynn twice pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about his conversations with russia's ambassador. the president is also teasing in a tweet that's considering pardoning himself from any future federal prosecutions. what a stark contrast to president-elect joe biden, who is hosting a quiet thanksgiving dinner in delaware with a much smaller than usual group of family, after his holiday message to americans struggling during the pandemic. >> america's not going to lose this war. we'll get our lives back. life is going to return to normal, i promise you. this will happen. this will not last forever. >> and there is breaking news this morning that came to us overnight on the coronavirus. the supreme court issuing an injunction that new york governor andrew cuomo cannot enforce his new occupancy limits on religious institutions in his state. new justice amy coney barrett casting