hello and welcome to a special edition of the beat. i'm ari melber. equally historic refusal to ever been admit defeat by president trump. he's pushed false claims of voter fraud. hesita he's been filing empty lawsuits. over the course of reporting out donald trump's slow motion loss as we have been speaking with range of insiders with unique insight how he's been handing defeat, include whag he may do next. that begins with cratic within her own family. he revealed her initial reaction and what she thinks was going on

inside her uncle's mind. >> it wasn't landslide. it wasn't a total repudiation of what has gone on last four years especially if you consider the republican party actually did fairly well. at least, against expectation. gaping seats in the house and maybe hanging onto the senate which fact is going to enrage donald even further because he can no longer pretend he did badly because the republican party dragged him down. if anything, it's the opposite. it's good news. we have pulled ourselves back from the dribrink of a potenti o autocracy. however, 72 days is a long time. given donald's current state of mind and recent actions and those actions of those closest to him and his enablers in the

senate, we could be in for a pretty rocky ride. sdp you talk about his mind as he assesses this. on the day the news broke on fox news which we know he tends to watch, there were high ranking republicans speaking about him in child like analysis. what it would take for him to get and absorb this. take a look. >> the decent thing to do is let the president, himself, take the time he wants to absorb this. social securi it's notiily close. if the president needs to take a few days to absorb, ultimately accept, and i think he will accept the owill of the people, you have to allow that to happen. >> mary. >> why? you know we had an election. we had the results of an election. he's allegedly an adult human being. i don't recall the same concessions being made to hillary clinton who won the popular vote and apparently, it

looks like the electoral college margin might be exactly the same. why does he get the benefit of taking a few days? it's disruptive to the transition. it is disruptive to the peaceful transfer of power. it's disruptive to the incoming administration and all it does is give him and his enables to sow seeds of doubt in people who don't want to accept the results of this election and the hypocrisy. i shouldn't be stunned by it anymore, but it stunning. >> i appreciate you telling us how you see it. i did want to ask you about the sort of global reaction to this. there's many ways to measure it. there are some headlines that are measurable where you see as a big anthem called f-donald trump that's opinion out for while. it's now number one on itunes. it's up 7 times in sales over biden.

it's a pre-trump anthem that rolling stone has become a post trump presidency hit. we saw it playing with people dancing around the country. my question to you is, when you see this in america and around the world, what do you think of this many people dancing to this song, f-donald trump. your ununcle. >> i understand it entirely. it's been an exhausting four years. i think a lot of people for the first time in a long time were able to breathe a sigh of relief and that includes our allies. there's a reason that people across the world are as relieved as a lot of us are at home. there's a reason as i think was pointed out that pfizer called president biden and not donald trump. it's enough already. we have dealt with the minute to minute crises and the temper tantrums and the threats and the

cruelty and all of the other things that we have been dealing with for long enough. it's time for it to stop. i think on saturday when the election was called, legitimately for president-elect biden and vice president elect harris, people finally understood that this nightmare is coming to an end and the only reason he want prolong because he knows he concedes, he loses relevan relevance. >> donald trump's fear of just losing relevance was front ant center according to a trump confidant who knows him so well. michael cohen. he shared his view on what donald trump has been coping with and what to expect from him next. >> donald trump is acting like a cry baby. he's like a child that got kicked out of the candy sdoer a store and he wants kwhast inside. it was a fair election.

the election is over. let me give you a bit, if you read the book, you'll see there are stories that aren't that dissimilar to what he's doing now. because he lost, he feels like loser and that's the worst thing that donald trump can feel. what he would rather do is burn the house down than to hand over the keys to the house when it's taken over. that's because he is fundamentally flawed as a human being. he doesn't have honor. if you watch to see the way clinton and bush behaved, it's because they have honor. if you look to see even the way joe biden is behaving right now, as it relates to trump and this childish behavior of his, there's an honor there. donald trump doesn't have honor. that's the problem. he will pretend to fight because he has game plan post the fight. it's the basic ac. it's a trump media company. he is going to be a thorn in joe biden's side unless

president-elect biden put a stop to it right here and right now. unless he does such a thing, donald trump is going to be a thorn in his side ten times worse with his 70, 80, 90, 100 million followers. by building up the social media company because this is what he needs to do. he needs to keep his base rallied around him. he will say for the next 30 years that they stole the election from me. i'm the rightful president. he's going to keep his maga arm active and engaged in constantly blow this dog whistle and he's going to be a menace. why was i able to predict that? i know the man. i hope he's watching because i would say to him, donald, leave. leave with grace. leave with northern and dignity.

he won't do that because he's incapable. he's fundamentally incapable. it's not his core. >> i watched him on television and he looks terrible. he's behaving terribly. as are all the sycophants around him. it's total days grace. he's making a complete mockery of the presidency and he's putting his stain on his presidency of of 2016. i don't understand what he's doing. >> you've been with him in rooms when he's plotted and battled. you have spoken out about that. you've written something about it. which trump did we see when as i was showing viewers a in a moment ago, the guy who was there, at least thursday. however wrong he was seemed to have some fight in him. he has gotten a long ways by making people think there will be one more fight, one more aggressive move. does it remind you of a time when he ends up like this. no fight today?

>> when donald trump loses, he becomes a baby. that's basically where he's in right now. he's in complete shock mode. like everybody he has emotions too even though he will pretend he doesn't. first it's anger. that's what he was suppressing and now he's in shock mode. what's going to happen to me. that's what's bothering him the most. what will happen to me as i move forward and all the litigation will start? how do i become the grifter in chief as i'm setting up this media company that i've been talk about since 2016 and 2015. yeah, i've seen him in this mode before. it's not common but i've seen it before on a presidential level. >> you mentioned the idea of a media or media political project. you are there. you were in very good grace with him in '16. do you remember talk then about that and does that give you any insights into what he's up to

now? >> the answer to that is yes. not only did i speak about it, jared kushner was the one that put it most in his mind when he said to mr. trump that you have to understand that the power does not lie anywhere except for in the hands of the media. he was referring to himself. the fact he owned this small paper called "the observer." that with really worstless. he would talk about how much power that brought to him looking at fox news. his goal is to replace fox news. he believes with the hundred million followers that he has that he will have a institution. he cannot show to the world who he is, which is a loser in this case. what he will do is pretend that he is strong. that he's dealing with it, fighting with it. the whole purpose is in order -- it's a money grab.

>> as it all sinks in we want to share two other insiders, if you watch the beat, you may recognize them. discussing why they think donald trump will continue to try to vandalize in government in his last days in office. >> notion of being a loser is something he kouns concede or believe. i don't think he believes he's a loser quite yet. i think he's so angry that all the things he set up to guarantee him a win, the voter suppression which he had going all over the country which his republicans and the post office. he is in shock that he didn't win. now it's matter of resting and again i'm not sure that he is convinced he didn't win. based on his logic, it's matter of resting now this loss as it

were from the victory of biden. he'll do anything. michael is right. if all else fails, he will burn down the house. >> we do have an autocrat in the white house right now. he's taken down any sign that he will play by the rules. that he will be bound by convention. that the norms apply to him. i don't expect that to happen from now until inauguration day. he is caught between delusion which is -- those periods when he actually plooefs he did win or he should have won or people should agree that he won, on the one hand. then rage on the other hand. just plain rage because most people, at this moment, are feeling depression. i'm sure that's what hillary clinton felt. i'm sure that's what al gore

felt going back to 2000 but trump doesn't do depression. he won't go there. it's too weak. it's too vulnerable. where he goes is rage and blame. donald trump has treated the world as a simple binary place. right wrong, good, bad, black, white. the world now, the complexity of the problems that we're facing is running so far out of ahead of the complexity of thinking require to solve them and the emotional resilience required to solve them. this interdependent world that we live in, the challenge for us is the move from me -- i think i said this to you before. from me which has been the preoccupation of too many americans to we because whether we like it or not, we're going to rise or fall together. we're seeing that right now with the pandemic roaring back into

the world. you can't just decide that you're not going to be the one to wear the mask or you're not going to social distance. if you're not aware of your impact on other people, that doesn't mean you're not having that impact. to me, it's a shift in consciousness that we need. it's the capacity to see beyond ourselves and to recognize we're part of a bigger hole. >> we have a lot more coming up tonight to get you through the end of this year, including real insights on how trump's last days in office are playing out like, yet, fittingly, the last episode of a cancelled real estate shreality show. also robert deniro weighing in. something i'm very excited about. grateful bob weir is here to talk. that's coming up on this special edition of "the beat." edition of "the beat." comparing plans? oh yeah. they sure can change year to year.

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welcome back. we're thrilled to be joined by someone who literally needs to introduction. robert, i want to get right to it. let's take a look at your straight talk. >> i'm going to say one thing. [ bleep ] trump. he's so blatantly stupid. this guy should not be a president. [ bleep ] him. >> he's a punk. he's a dog.

he's a pig. >> he has no idea of what his purpose in life as the president should be. he's a con. a [ bleep ] artist. a mutt who doesn't know what he's talking about. >> have a kind of weird twisted president who thinks he's a gangster. who is not even a good gangster. >> he's a national disaster be. he talks how he wants to punch people in the face. well, i'd like to punch him in the face. >> robert deniro joins us on the beat. your reaction to this election. >> i'm relieved. very, very relieved. it's like, as i keep saying, pst like being in an abuse iive relationship. we don't know what's going on. nobody knows. from one day to next, i don't think he knows what's going on. i'm very relieved that he's not -- we have a lot to -- there

will be other people like him in the future. maybe not in my lifetime but there was an article written in i think the at lalantic the oth day. somebody will come along who is a lot smarter, more sensitive and not so borish and will be able to pull the wool over the eyes of the public and then we will have a more serious deeper problem and one that might actually -- that will get further than what trump has done. he's also set an example, unfortunate unfortunately, to other young people this kind of thing can be done. that's why it's so important at this -- after he's out of office that he is held accountable. thank god we're out of this. we'll be into other things but with biden, we're -- he's going to bring us into calm waters. everybody realize we just got to get out of this mess, move on

and then we can deal with other things. >> he's not accused of as so many things as some dictators but he closed the race by fighting democracy itself. >> give him another four years. he'll be go for a third term and he joked about president for life and he'll -- he'll do anything. >> he told people to vote twice. i want to show before we lose you because you've been around the contrast of obama and biden. you have been celebrated by president obama. not to embarrass you but we did want to take a quick look at that. here it is. >> for over 50 years, robert deniro has delivered some of screen's most memorable performances. his work is legendary for its range and death.

he em -- depth. it reflects the heart of the human experience. >> what did that mean do you from president obama and from joe biden who is part of that administration and now president-elect in. >> i was honored, of course, to be given that. very honored. again, obama was a president who was -- remight not have done all the things right but you knew his intentions were right. you knew he was honorable. you know he's honorable. he's going to play by the rules and do the right thing. that's all you expect from a leader is their intentions are noble. they might make mistakes and that i've always felt about him.

biden, the same. with kamala harris, it might even surprise us more that they will do things that we didn't expect and don't expect but they could do it. it would be a terrific four years, maybe longer. >> i want to play a bit of your iconic scenes. let's take a look. >> never rat on your friends and always keep your mouth shut. >> you talking to me? you talking to me? >> listen to me very carefully. there's three ways of doing things around here. the right way, the wrong way and the way i do it. sgr you can get further with a gun and a kind word than just with a kind word. >> what do we take from all the tough guys you've played in a

country that celebrates toughness but sometimes get carried away in. >> i'm an actor. i do the parts, i enjoy them. i like to think some of all those parts there's a certain dignity somewhere buried in there that i don't think a person like trump -- i don't know he doesn't have. there's no center. you have to have a center no matter who you are. it's like somebody defying gravity. they will never do. that's why we have rules. that's why we have laws. that's why we have judges. that's why we have structure. if we don't have that, we have nothing. we have chaos. we have anarchy. we need someone to lead us through in a kind of a father figurely way or mother figurely way. to bring us through and show that they love us, care about us

and they want our best. they are looking out for us. it's the total opposite with someone like him. it confounds me how he ever got to be elected and he did. crazy things happen. we -- that's what we need in a leader. in any leader. that's what we're going to get with joe biden and kamala harris. she's tough. she'll do the things that maybe he wouldn't do or can't do but i'm hoping that she will do them. >> robert deniro, it's really fascinating to hear your take especially given the way you've been a key figure in the public realm dealing with whatever it is that donald trump is. i'm a journalist but i'm just a huge fan. i appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. i want to say one more thing. i'm not like political but i was so angry and so enraged and confounded that he would

actually behave the way he did and that people bought it. now i see many, many, many people in the country feel this way. i'm sad about other people who don't. they have accepted him and would have voted for him and have voted for him. i don't know why. that's all that it was from the very beginning just how can he behave this way. >> thank you so much, sir. >> thank you. coming up from the apprentice to the white house. how donald trump's final days in office echo his troubled career at the end of the days of reality tv and later we'll talk politics with the author of the famed "handsmaid tale." "handsma.

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the president has gone from firing people on reality tv to denying the reality that he's fired. >> we have a reality show host who will not accept reality.

>> yes, there's that word. the reality show that become a punch line. donald trump crashing into one nar tirative he cannot control all. he's the loser of this election. in trump's tv terms this is the ultimate ending. the trump show cancelled. the apprentice did begin with high ratings and that fake executive persona. >> my name is donald trump. i'm looking for the apprentice. >> how are we doing? >> this is week two of your 13-week job interview. a lot of business is gone on golf course. >> good look. can v kevin, you're fired. bill, you're hired. >> who can forget?

as donald trump ponders his next move out of the white house and political and media programming into enduring force or money making project or even another run in 2024, there may be lessons in limits for any show that runs too long like this. the ratdings crashed and it was not appealing to his own fans. to find new interest, they got more interest with a d list cast of characters. >> you're harry potter fact were not accurate. who did the research? >> it's slithering and raven cloth. >> mary lou, you remember when you got fired. you think you have a better memory than dennis rodman. >> all right. not so scary. more like you're having fun. >> almost unwatchable by the

end. the apprentice was losing million of viewers. it dropped a third of original ratings. it's what people were watching when the tv was left on but no longer appointment viewing. people tuning trump out and voters and tv are filtering out trump and the lies. all of it less compelling than it was once viewed. >> the democrats but in all cases they are so one sided. we -- >> we're watching president trump speaking live in the white house. we have to interrupt because the president has made a number of false statement. >> like wise in georgia, i won by a lot. a lot. >> there the president of the united states addressing the american people for the first time. there were a couple of statements that the president made. do you have a fact check? >> yes. >> here we are again in the unusual position of not only interrupting the president of the united states but correcting the president of the united states. >> we're going to fact check in

in realtime for you tonight because that's not the case. we don't have any ed of illegal voting in this country. >> our next guest points out that some reality shows like real housewives do start out as big phenomenons like the apprentice did. if they survive it's appealing to a narrower and fanatic base that follows along with ridiculous twists and turns and no hope for new viewers. trump is the show but that only works if he can keep driving the show. if he can get people even on his narrow side to glom onto plot twists like a stolen election. now we turn to that expert as promised. claeted the concept of celebrate reality tv with hits like flavor of love, i love the '80s and celebrity rehab. as he likes the say, you're welcome america. thanks for coming back. >> thanks for having me.

a u always a pleasure. >> we wrote this from speaking with you today. tell us about the different paths that shows take. >> i think shows run out of steam and get cancelled or if they are going to survive, they recognize they have a small group of fans so they have to feed over and over and over again. the problem, you know, is that by so feeding their base, if you will, the show becomes completely incomprehensible to people outside of the bubble. that's what you see happening with trump now. for a minute he had the entire country in his thrall and what he said was culture. at this point the culture that he's selling is so arcane and internal and bizarre and meta that if you're not a regular watcher of fox news, you'll have no idea what he's talking about. >> this also brings us as every conversation like this must, sooner or lart, you know where

i'm going, michael, brings us to the meat loaf subplot on the apprentice. take a look. >> i bought those [ bleep ] sponges. that paint is mine. >> don't do it. don't do it. >> you do not want to [ bleep ] with me. you look in my eyes. i am the last person in the [ bleep ] world you ever want to [ bleep ] with. >> people may forget that is how the apprentice ended with people stopped watching it. we have about 40 seconds. >> today we're all gary busey, i think. we're completely insane and yet we think we're the sane ones. i want to quickly propose a spin off show. rudy giuliani, don junior, jerry falwell junior, matt gaits and they work through their psycho

sexual and issues as well. i think mark should produce that immediately for fox. >> i don't know joyou're joking. we're all open to work through anything that's out there. you have a lot of ensight. the next president whether he's doing this programming and how that relates to the actual political stakes. thank you very much. you're on the beat. coming up, my interview with the author of the handmaids tale. her take on the trump presidency and what it takes to resist a tot totalitarian government from within. also we have bob weir tonight. stay with us. eir tonight. stay with us value. then currency came along. they made it out of copper, gold, silver, wampum. soon people decided to put all that value into a piece of paper, then proceeded to wave goodbye to value, printing unlimited

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president-elect biden's vic way was compelled by the largest voting block in america, women.

demonstrating a decisive role capping a tenure of four years of protest that began famously with that large, women's march on washington just after trump's inauguration. for later protest, women turned to many symbols from the culture. the novel and the tv series all grown out of the handmaid's tale. many shed a spotlight on issues that take women backwards. she's following up with a sequel, the testaments. we followed up with her. thank you for coming on the beat. >> my pleasure. >> very exciting times. let's start with what do we

learn from the new book? >> i can't tell you everything. that would be a dreadful spoiler. we are skipping ahead in times, 16 years or so. we're seeing how gilead might begin to crumble. we know from the handmaid's tale it crumbles. how does it collapse? what ends it? we have three characters narrating it. we have two young women and one older one whom we have seen fronl the outside in the handmaid's tail and now we get her inner view. >> it's had huge impact and influenced so many people. we'll get to that but starting with your new book, one contrast is in the handmade's -- ha handmaid's tail we are exposed. i wonder if you would read a bit

of how you explain what's happened. this is from the new book. >> okay. this person talking is aunt lydia who has been coopted to help build the structure that will control other women. she says, did i hate this structure we were concocting? on some level yes. it was a betrayal of everything we had been taught in our former lives and all that we had ae chiefed. was i praud of what we managed to accomplish despite the limitations? also on some level yes. things are never simple. >> things are never simple. what is she proud of? >> well, people like this in these kinds of regimes quite frequently say it would have been worse if not for me.

are they excusing themselves? are they telling the truth? that's really up to the reader to decide. >> your work delves deeply into choice. how does power control choice. >> exactly. >> is gender a function of available choices. >> exactly. totalitarian regimes limit choice like they limit very stringently to go along with us or these are the alternatives. death, exciiled or at a lower level not having any career or power. >> why do states go back to that playbook? >> they will have their reasons. what it comes down to is that they assert the right to control reproduction and assert the right over people's bodies.

>> that goes the very next thing i want to ask you about which is, you refer to different systems which may or not be strictly animated by sexism or mysoginy and then you have examples that are. >> no matter what they say their aims are, they all have in common the roll back of women's rights. >> you know how people can be both limited in their choice or be victims and then turn into a part of the system, part of perpetrating it. are we supposed to be depressed when we see that? >> they are also part of resisting it. they are capable of compliance on the outside and resisting on the inside. >> thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you. i told you this was a special show.

coming up, we get into something we think is truly special tonight. what a long strange trip it's been. we're joined by bob weir. talking culture, music and some politics. plap

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we just caught up with the founding member of what we think is one of the greatest jam band and rock and roll groups of all times. i'm talking about the legend bob weir. mobilizing voters to get involved and participate. he shared his passion in the ways and wisdom from the grateful dead might even apply right now. >> joining me now is a legend. a founding member of the grateful dead. single, song writer and guitarist, ta bridges the power of music with democracy. it's my personal thrill to welcome bob weir to the beat. thanks for doing this. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to get to music but i want to begin where your heart is. you're doing this work with head count. tell us why it matters for you. >> i've been with head count for 10 or 12 years. we have registered well over a

million voters. in this cycle alone we registered nearly half of those. well over a third of the eligible voters in this election are young. election are young by our standards. and they have the rest of their lives in front of them. and so what is decided in this election is going to make a big difference for them. the decision that government makes and the actions that it takes, you know, it's all important stuff as we seen for instance with regard to the coronavirus that is going around right now. there is probably more that could have been done and should have been done and was not done. and whoever has a better idea on how to handle that deserves some real consideration, i think. >> i want to ask you, bob,

politics can be seen as dividing people, culture bridges divides, it brings people together. we were looking at artists using grateful dead style imagery here and you could download some of these on the grateful dead website i read to get people more engaged in voting nowadays. you have the jerry bears and all kinds of contexts. how do you feel about that? because it is music but it is deeper than that, right. it is a community, it is an experience, and did you ever think back in the '60s or '70s this would play out as so relevant to so many people now? >> well, i think that you could see a parallel, you could see a real connection between the fact that music brings people together and the fact that we're all in this together. you know, culture is also going

to bring us all together. and one of the things that are on the ballot is whether or not we're going to remain sort of divided as a nation or try to work ourselves together as a nation and i think -- i think as an example, the fact that music does bring us together, let's hold that in our hands and our hearts and think of the rest of this whole culture that way and try to come together that way as well. i'm not sure that is real clear but it is the best i could say right now. >> it is clear to me. and i think it is a theme that whether we take it at the highest level of altitude like we could be in this together or the examples i think it res on atds, because we're so excited to have you on here, we put

together a couple of classic moments for you and jerry. i just want you to take a look. >> it is you and me, bob. >> looking at the two of you, i can't believe that you both started together because you look, forgive me -- >> why do you think you stayed together that long? >> i got the answer to that one. >> take it. >> sure intense burning hatred and revenge. >> what are your reflections on the relationship personally and creatively? >> well, i'll tell you, i miss the laughs. but not that much because the guy comes to me in my dreams every now and again and we get some laughs in. and sometimes when i'm by myself stuff comes up and i laugh. so from stuff i remember or stuff that happened to me today

that, you know, i sort of tell my old pal about. and i could kind of feel some sort of res nance there. >> we do lightning rounds which are easy and because they're choices if you pick them if you're willing. if you have to skull roses or dancing bears. >> skull and roses for sure. never was all that fond of the dpa dancing bears. >> fire in the bogue ownias or scarlet. >> there is more harmonic development and that is kind of where my heart lies. >> this is kind of a tough one but define box of rain. >> box of rain was in my understanding it was a ball of rain and i don't know why it got changed because the ball of rain pretty much was a description of

it was right after we first started getting hunter wrote the lyric after we first started getting pictures from outer space of the planet. and it was a ball of blue, a bowl of rain because you could see all of the rain clouds. and so i think he originally wrote it as a ball of rain and then they turned into a box of rain and i'm not exactly sure how that happened. >> if had you to define this election, would it be hell in a bucket or dancing in the streets? >> or a little of both. >> fair. and our last question, because i know your time is short, everybody loves playing in the band, and you say i don't trust nothing but i know it will come out right. do you still have that optimism today, sir? >> yeah. my entire life has been an

exercise in it. >> amen. bob weir, thank you for what you're doing and thank you for spending time with us. >> my pleasure and thank you for your find attention. >> i did want to share a final vote. you could dvr the beat on your remote. search for melber and press dvr for this show. and you might be catching us if you have time out off or busy and we encourage you to see the people we have had on tonight to all of our political and legal friends. you could find "the beat" weeknights and hope the rest of you enjoy your holiday weekend. d

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