hello, i'm ali velshi. thank you for joining us on this black friday. this afternoon the trump campaign faced another loss. the third circuit court of appeals affirmed last weekend's ruling dismissing the trump lawsuit in pennsylvania. it called the lawsuit allegations vague and concluesry. out of total 40 lawsuits, 26 have been denied, dismissed, withdrawn or settled. thanksgiving is about tradition, however, this year's thanksgiving was anything but traditional for americans attempting to celebrate the holiday during a pandemic. it was even made stranger by

president trump who took questions from the press pool for the first time since election day yesterday. the chaotic back and forth ended the longest stretch of time in his presidency that he didn't engage with reporters. 23 days, four hours and three minutes. here was the most notable part. >> just to be clear, if the electoral college votes for joe biden, will you concede? >> if they do they, there is a mistake -- >> but will you -- >> -- was a fraud. >> the electoral college does elect president joe biden will you not leave this building? >> certainly i will. certainly i will. you know that. but i think that there will be a lot of things happening between now and the 20th of january. >> well, to the surprise of nobody, the president contradicted his own statement when he tweeted this morning on his way to, hope you're sitting down for this, the golf course that joe biden can only be president if he can prove that

his votes quote were not fraudulently or illegally obtained end quote. that is, of course, plainly not true. biden did indeed win the election. the states certified those elections one by one. that's the proof that the election was valid. and then the electors vote on december 13th and joe biden is going to be sworn in on january 20th at noon. the reality of the situation has not stopped the president from pushing the same misinformation about the election that started months ago over and over and over again without any proof at all. sorting through the president's tweets and the false information he broadcast yesterday was a stark contrast from president elect joe biden's fairly simple thanksgiving message. >> i know this isn't the way many of us hoped we'd spend our holiday. we know that a small act of staying home is a gift to our fellow americans. yes, it's a personal sacrifice each of our families can make

and should make to save somebody else's life, but it's also a shared sacrifice for the whole country. the statement of common purpose that says we care about one another and we're all in this together. >> all right. let's begin tonight with the latest from washington. donald trump spent the day the way he spent many days recently, golfing and tweeting. carol lee joins me now. what sort of a whiplash time. i was a little surprised donald trump actually said he was going to leave the white house if the electoral college determines joe biden is the president on december 13th. then he went on to say they have mountains of evidence coming in and then his lawyer jenna ellis tweeted that the decision on the third circuit court of appeals was by activist judges. the main judge was a trump appointee that took the bench on november 17th, the other two were george w bush appointees, i'm trying to get a handle what

is spinning around the white house. are y are they coming to the conclusion the presidency is ending or in earth two considering these court cases? >> you're not alone in being confused if that makes you feel any better, ali. our understanding from our own reporting what is the mind set inside the white house is yes, they know that they have to leave, that they've lost this election, the president, though, is continuing this public battle to try to undermine the results of the election by saying that there is wide spread fraud without any evidence and after today, you know, listen, from the president's perspective, it's everyone from local election workers to average voters to a republican secretary of state in georgia who voted for the president and contributed to his campaign to now an appellate court judge including one nominated by the president and others in the grand conspiracy against him.

that's the picture he's painting and it's not true. what we know is that the president is never going to concede. he's never going to say joe biden won this election fair and square. he's not. he signalled how difficult losing would be for him when he said on election day that losing is tough but especially for him and part of what he said on the campaign is if he were to lose to joe biden, that would be very embarrassing, more embarrassing than just losing period. what you're seeing is the president who is continuing to try to save some face, to gin up supporters, to try to create an image that he didn't lose this election fair and square and it's for the same reasons that people around him have been saying for weeks is that he's trying to cast himself as something other than a loser. and that's pretty much it. >> yeah. well, the confusion will rain for a few more weeks, probably. carol, good to see you. thank you for joining me. nbc news correspondent carol

lee. during a week when most people aren't paying as much attention to the news. the president made a lot of headlines and one in particular should not be ignored or buried in the chaos. trump pardoned his former national security advisor michael flynn on wednesday. remember this, flynn pleaded guilty twice for lying to the fbi about conversations about the russian diplomat. the pardon did not come as a surprise. it was long aexpected. that didn't work out but now it moot because the pardon has been issued. charl charlie joins me to talk about this. amsnbc contributor. no surprise. the questions, however, that emerged from this pardon are several fold. one is what else is coming? are there a bunch of other pardons to come and are they all sort of or many of them going to be people who are tied to donald trump's personal grievances or things having to do with his election and of course, the

biggie, is there some mechanism for pardoning himself for things that have not come to pass yet? >> that's right. good to see you. happy thanksgiving, belated. >> thank you. >> we expect that president trump will indeed go out the door by pardoning a whole pile of people and at this point, because he's not working through the normal process of consulting the justice department having prosecutors who worked there vetting candidates who have applied and talking to victims and judges and so fort to see who deserves one, it's tightly held. people who will be speculating caught up in the trump russia investigation, michael flynn, you hear names like george papadopoulos, rick gates, paul manafort and so forth surrounding that as well as other people who just have

connections to trump. elliott a big donor to his inauguration just got convicted in foreign lobbying scheme or steve bannon or perhaps jared kushner's father was famously prosecuted by chris christie some years ago. surrounding also are complicating that up until maybe right around now is that to talk to this president about how his grip on power is about to go away and so he ought to go out with a bang would be to concede he lost the election. i think people have been a little reluctant or on egg shells around him to raise a topic that only makes sense in the end game of a presidency that is almost over. your other question can he pardon himself? that's a great question. a question that constitutional scholars are turning over in their hands now and the answer is we don't know. no president has ever purported to pardon himself and then be prosecuted by justice department after that act.

he's never even tried. therefore, we don't have any court case to look to for the question of whether the pardon extends to self-pardons. there is nothing that says can't, on the other hand there is a long standing principle that says no man can be a judge in his own case and in fact, during the watergate, we don't think he can pardon himself. that doesn't count for anything that's not for the president. >> right, there is a technical piece of language that says a pardon can be granted and one assumes one can't grant it to themselves but there is another technical thing. we haven't seen the language of the michael flynn pardon and i wouldn't have thought that important but there is a case against him. the department of justice was trying to get the case against michael flynn withdrawn and judge sullivan said no. so do they have to go before a

judge with this pardon and say this case is moot now and needs to be withdrawn? >> i think it's extremely likely we will see the text of that pardon entered into the court record against michael flynn before judge sullivan. not that he said no. he hasn't said no or yes. he's sitting on the request and thinking about it and so this will probably leave him of any difficult question of whether he can sentence someone who pleaded guilty but whom the justice department no longer wishes to proceed against. nevertheless, there are other issues surrounding michael flynn than just the question of his charged conduct of lying to the fbi. the plea deal that he agreed to before he blew it up was going to take care of his legal liability for having acted as a paid agent of turkey without registering as an agent of a foreign power in 2016 and then signing paperwork belately registering that falsely minimized the scope of his work and judge sullivan himself has

raised the prospect that michael flynn may have committed perjury by giving inconsistent statements in his courtroom when he first pleaded guilty and said he was innocent after all. so trump said in his twitter feed, this was a full pardon, which suggests it might be written broadly but we haven't seen that language yet. that said, i would caution people that left twitter speculation about this, that maybe they screwed up and they're going to leave him exposed in someway. trump's white house legal team led are competent smart people. they are a different caliber than the lawyers who have been filing these somewhat farcical lawsuits for the campaign trying to overturn the results of the election complete with misspellings and everything else. it seems to me people should not -- should wait to see before they assume there is going to be any problem with this quote unquote full pardon. >> the correlation to that, i don't know if you have a parlor

account, the right wing has no greater cause to lever than michael flynn. he is the symbol to the right of the democrats and the deep state and the conspiracy or whatever you call the russia investigation. so this is -- there is nobody in the middle on michael flynn and people have very strong views on him. charlie, good to see you. thank you for joining me today and have yourself a great weekend. charl charlie for the new york times and the author of a great book that becomes more relevant each week. read it. we're getting into a new one. on january 20th is when the new presidency begins. joe biden will be sworn in as the 46th president at noon and the transition of power will be complete. on that date, donald j. trump will lose the constitutional protection from prosecution afforded to a sitting president. the new york times said he'll be quote more vulnerable than ever to a pending grand jury

investigation by the manhattan district defense attorney for the president's business and practices and taxes. andrew wise mman says the next attorney general if warranted prosecute him for federal crimes but washington post opinion writer jennifer ruben argues that the process should be selective while the investigation and she writes all require instead the greatest likelihood of success, in protecting our democracy of provoking endless and her words should be the focus. jennifer ruben joins me to talk about her perspective. old friend, good to see you. thank you for being with us. i think this becomes a really, really important discussion and president of the united states and that we need to move on with

things gnnot done for the last four years. every book available some believe should be thrown at him and you're walking a line down the middle. why? >> the president elect pointed out one issue, which is that he doesn't want to be completely involved. doesn't want to keep giving donald trump options. he has a new presidency to get after and there is another compelling reason, which is as you read from my piece, we don't want to get into a pattern of the cycle of recrimination, of one incoumbent president prosecuting the next one. there is a danger there and as i said in the piece, i think it's appropriate to go back to come up with a complete record of what happened and in particular to see if other people were involved but with regard to actions during his presidency, my preference, i think, would be not to prosecute those. now i think there are categories

of crimes which do involve or potential crimes which do warrant investigation and as you pointed out, the tax issues really have nothing to do with the presidency. they predate the presidency and i think to the extent that the new york prosecutors at the city or state level or both find there is a crime civil or -- civil infraction or criminal infraction should be prosecuted. we shouldn't allow presidents or ex presidents to avoid paying their taxes and there is a third category which i point to and that is attempts to undermine the election and i think this is a new category of violation, again, perhaps, civil perhaps criminal but this president attempted to over throw the results of an election. it seems like a long time ago because we're in trump time but it wasn't that long ago that he called in two members of the michigan state legislature and

started presuming they over throw the will of the voters and substitute their own judgment. we also heard that he put in a phone call to one of the members of the wayne county canvassing board after she had gone along with the certification and low and behold changed her mind the next day. these have a legal implication, as well as a moral implication. it is a violation of the voting rights act, in fact, it's punishable under the voting rights act as a crime to not record people's vote to not properly record the outcome of an election. this is the essence of our democracy and it shouldn't be the president of the united states is immune from this. it shouldn't be that frankly lindsey graham is immune from this as nbc has reported extensively. he allegedly made phone calls not only to the secretary of state of georgia who you referenced, a republican but other states, as well and if

he's applying pressure to individuals to over throw the results of an election that is a serious matter. i know the president elect joe biden said he's not going to direct his new attorney general whoever that may be to investigate matters but the next attorney general should look at the couple of categories that i outline and in particular, the threat to our democracy. we don't want this happening again. >> so they are different people, right? joe biden would not be inclunin to do this because he doesn't live in the fear everyone is trying to undermine him. donald trump does. i guess if you're not all about recrimination and maybe retribution, where does reck reconciliation come in or does it? i spent the last three months traveling around the country and we're a divided country. you don't need my evidence to prove it. the vote proved that. where does it begin where people say we have lived a weird few

years. how do we get back on to something that feels like plural in a dock moemocracy shared by americans. >> it starts at the top. everything joe biden has done since he was declared the winner reflects that sentiment that we're one country, we're one person, we have grate challenges. we have to work together so i think one way of reaching these gaps is a different tone from washington d.c. now we'll see if the republicans want to reciprocate that or keep this going, but i think from the appointees you'll get that message. i think quite frankly, we expect politicians to do too much. part of this is personal. we have to do it in our communities with our own organizations and churches and synagogues and state and local governments which frankly can operate in some cases with a lot

less than the federal government. the reckon sillation is a huge issue is not simply a matter of government but government can play a role but it's really up to all of us in our personal and communal lives. >> that is our work for the next few years and it's going to be heavy, heavy work. jennifer, good to see you. thank you for joining me and have yourself a great weekend. jennifer ruben is an msnbc contributor. a lot more to get to in this two-hour special. there is a long-standing tradition for presidents to be looped in on classified briefings but intelligence officials don't think that privilege should be extended to president trump once he leaves office. good news, it looks like the house and senate have agreed on a bill that would avoid another government shutdown next month. bad news, coronavirus relief money is not included in that bill. as of today, the united states has had more than 13 million cases of covid-19.

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. all right. there is a long standing tradition former presidents have access to some of the national security secrets but some ex intelligence officials don't think trump should have access to national security information once he leaves office. trump already poses a danger based on what he knows now and the financial pressure his real

estate empire is under and the fact his brand is suffering and could make national security secrets a quote profit center for him. kende delaney broke this story d joins me now. the interesting thing about donald trump, he made money off of licensing and things that are intangible in the past but there is no greater intangible than what he's got in his head now even the secrets he has let alone whether they continue to give him breachiiefings after td of his presidency. he owes people that would pay good money to know what capabilities america has and what some of the plans are that america has. >> you're absolutely right, ali. that's a huge concern of my national security sources. the information in his head now. there is nothing they can do about that. what they are calling for, though, is for joe biden not to afford donald trump the courtesy that former presidents have been afforded for years, which is r

periodic briefings if they travel overseas or the current president wants to consult with them with something that involves them getting a classified briefing to get up to speed. people from both sides of the aisle including a bush administration official said trump should not have the briefings in part because of you said we never had a foreign president with these business ties doing deals in russia and china and u.s. adversaries and dealing with the gulf and would love to know secrets in his head and he as we know from "the new york times" reporting is in debt to the tune of some $420 million, much of that is held by foreign banks. so this is a kind of person who would not normally pass a security clearance test but as you know, ali, presidents don't get security clearances. they're given the keys to the kingdom when elected but it's up to the current president to

decide whether they should continue to get access. >> there are specific examples including iran's failed satellite launch that should have been probably is classified material. he spilled sensitive details about the al baghdadi raid and highly classified or technically sensitive or disclosure by the president and military officials including officials. he has a habit with classified information, that's not a crime. the president can declassified information. he has done this before. >> right, this is the other part. if you believe donald trump is not going to sell secrets, which would be a federal crime.

he has this history of being cavalier and careless with classified information and if he continued to get briefings and in addition to the examples you mentioned, there is a famous episode in 2017 where he provided top secret intelligence about terrorism that came from an ally to the russian foreign minister and the russian ambassador in the oval office. it was a mini scandal. our ally was upset. it messed up a program, we understand and he also more recently talked to bob woodward, the journalist about a top secret nuclear program the chinese were not aware of that nobody knew about and the justice department said it's true and they were shocked he discussed it. there is a track record that's alarming and they say it's bad enough he know what is he knows. let's not give him further information. the question will be whether joe biden wants to take this on or just hopes that it goes away and trump never asks for these

briefings, ali. >> right. i was going to say is it joe biden who makes this decision in the end? >> 100%. there is no law that governs this. this is a courtesy the existing president can afford to former presidents and he can also take it away, ali. >> ken, as always, thank you for your great reporting, nbc ken with an interesting story what to do with the intelligence information donald trump knows and will continue to get. coming up, congress is making moves to avoid a shut down but why haven't we heard anything yet about covid relief? people are running out of money and at food banks. we'll dig into it on what is happening on the hill better than most when we come back. happening on the hill better than most when we come back. oh i got to tell everyone. hey, rita! you now earn 3% on dining, including takeout! bon appetit. hey kim, you now earn 5% on travel purchased through chase! way ahead of you! hey, neal! you can earn 3% at drugstores. buddy, i'm right here.

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pessimistic. caitlyn emma who covers the federal budget and congressional spending bills. this is highly problematic. congressional republicans have shown disdain for passing another relief package, i'm not going to call it stimulus because it relief at this point. people that pay rent and get their food and some expressed hope that it could be part of this appropriations package and it isn't. so there appears to be no plan on the horizon for small businesses and states and local governments and individuals who continue to be out of work or losing income because of coronavirus. >> correct. i mean, we are essentially where we were months ago where it does not seem like more coronavirus relief is really moving toward, you know, a great destination in any way. there was some optimism more

relief could be tacked on to massive spending package to keep the government open beyond december 11th but that definitely seems to be fading president elect joe biden and congressional democrats are still pushing from at least two trillion in additional aid while republicans don't even want to go near that number. they're still uncomfortable with the idea of passing a trillion dollars. so really the passing more aid hasn't changed in the lame duck of congress. >> not just the money stuff, it's that the money is for different things. the money that the gop wants to appropriate if there is a relief bill is in large cases for companies that call workers back if their workers get coronavirus versus the $2 trillion democrats are looking for which tend to be in the form of direct payments and money for small businesses and of course, state and local governments who have to pay for those police and ambulance and things like that.

they're not even talking about funding the same things. >> right. they're still miles apart on a deal. you know, what i mentioned a second ago the top line figure, that is of usually a huge part of it but like you said, there is still major disagreements about whether to additional aid for state and local governments for example. that's a sticking point for months and months and months that still hasn't changed. so i mean, we've even seen -- >> so you report on these things. >> let me ask you because you report on this, caitlyn. what changes on january 20th when joe biden becomes president and if the senate is controlled by republicans because that's where it's stuck. there will be a president that thinks there should be this aid where donald trump some weeks thinks there should and some weeks thinks there shouldn't. if joe biden makes that job on january 20th, is there a way he can get a bigger relief bill through congress?

>> a lot hinges on the senate, who controls the senate, two run off races in georgia will be huge deciding which party controls the senate. that's a huge undetermined factor. you know, are democrats going to be in control of the senate? are they going to control the house and have the white house to work out a deal as democrats have wanted forever or are we going to see president elect biden's skills put to the test when it comes to negotiating. after. there is a lot of discussion how is he going to get along with the republican controlled senate? he has a history of working with senat senator mceldercconnell and we'n senator mcconnell put his foot down and say no coronavirus relief that tops a certain number that funds certain programs is going to move in the upper chamber. so certainly, president biden's negotiating skills with majority

leader mcconnell will all come down to that. >> one of the things mcconnell said is that republicans, he has a cohort of republicans that might be enough to scuttle any bill who have no appetite for the increase in the deficit, that another relief bill would have. your reporting indicates that for whatever reason, the increase in the deficit for this administration has been substantially higher than normal. >> right, this is something that i'm sure once president elect biden is in office, you're going to see republicans all of a sudden talking a lot about that again and that is the deficit and certainly didn't stop republicans from passing their tax package in 2017, which had a very dramatic affect on the deficit. so it's sort of one of these seasonal political things that comes up in terms of, you know, whether or not we care about it but i think certainly democrats are of the mind set that, you know, more spending is what is

needed right now and certainly, the ad verse effects on the deficit doesn't seem to have a negative economic impact as of now and not something we need to worry about going forward. >> good to see you. thank you for your good reporting. she's a budget and appropriations reporter. thank you for your time. >> thank you. up next, surging cases, limited capacity and tough choices. we'll take you inside a st. louis icu running out of room for critical covid patients. >> you're imp vi'm pro vising o daily basis? >> on an hourly basis. daily basis? >> on an hourly basis.

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nbc affiliate ksdk took us inside a st. louis icu where health care workers are struggling to provide care. >> reporter: this is what trying to hold the front line looks like against an enemy that knows no seize fire and grows stronger every day. for eight months, health care worker haves waged this war behind closed hospital doors. until now. these are the covid patients around us now? >> yeah. >> reporter: monday mercy hospital st. louis granted 5 on your side access to the icu at a time when the region's pandemic task force reports st. louis hospitals are in danger of running out of room for the most critical covid patients. >> any time of the day or night they can call and say we're out of beds. >> reporter: you're imp pro vising on a daily basis? >> hourly basis. >> reporter: because the virus

is airborne and highly contagious, doctors and nurses have strict precautions to keep air from escaping the room. there are 12 rooms in this part of the icu. they are full. they can make more room on other floors but they can't make more doctors and nurses. the hospital has converted rooms to handle more covid cases, but caring for just one critical patient can require several nurses and doctors. >> do you want me to grab you 5 milligrams? >> reporter: like all of the hospitals in st. louis region, there is concern this current surge could soon mean too many patients for the staff to take care of. patients like steve jeffrey who says he contracted covid despite a self-quarantine. >> not seeing my wife is very difficult. i mean, the people here have

been great, have been very friendly, but still, it's not family. >> yeah, so it's gotten busier in the last couple weeks. no question about that. >> reporter: it doesn't take long inside the icu to realize covid is taking an emotional toll on the staff, too. >> sometimes that's the hardest part. that was the hardest part for me back in april, just isolating completely from everybody. it's just hard to be here and go back home and not really have much to go back home to. >> reporter: but they keep coming to work and keep hoping that those who will likely never see their sacrifice will make some of their own. >> they need to stay home, and they need to wear their mask and listen to the science. >> reporter: do you worry it could get to the point where you have to turn people away? >> i think it's a concern for everyone and i think it's a concern for the entire city. >> that was ksdk casey nolan reporting and i'll be hitting the road tomorrow for another

installment of velshi across america. i'll speak to workers and businesses struggling to stay open nationwide. my first stop is here, the pine ridge indian reservation, the region of south dakota before the pandemic, the native american community had the lowest life expectancy. now south dakota is reporting the highest covid deaths per capita in the united states and families on the pine ridge reservation are fighting for their businesses, jobs and very survival. i'll bring you that story on my show, velshi sunday morning 8:00 to 10:0 a.m. eastern. if you're a small business owner or worker facing tough decisions as covid cases surge, send me your questions and concerns to my story at velshi.com. el have we'll have experts on for the next several weeks. coming up next, the battle over climate change that awaits the incoming biden administration and why it could be a matter of national security. it could be a matter of national security and take. it. on...

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that multiplies risk to the united states. the second reason is it's a foreign policy issue. this is an issue that requires cooperation of akroz the globe. to get countries to cut emissions. it's a great signal to have it from the national security counsel. >> let's talk about what biden can do when he gets into office. there will be issues with congress particularly a republican controlled senate. he wants to rejoin paris climate accord. use federal government systems to work towards 100% clean energy and u.s. government buildings are official and climate ready. clean air act. develop new fuel economy standards. advance development and create standards for applying and building efficiency. that is low hanging fruit.

but he can do it without having the congressional approval. what's the big thing the non-low hanging fruit that he has to do? >> he has to do two big things. cut emissions across the united states. we saw with the pandemic a drop in emissions. clean air and clean rivers. tla drop isn't sufficient to keep us safe from harmful heating. he has to fipd ways to curb emissions through regulation, executive order or through legislation. the other thing is he needs to prepare the united states for climate change. these impacts we have seen very dramatically. today about 100,000 people -- yesterday. didn't have power. in southern california. because it was too dangerous to transmit electricity given the wild fire conditions. record storms along the coasts. causing severe damage. these are echts fuelled by

climate change. none of the building codes are choices to where and how we live yet account for the worsening risk from climate change. he needs to both -- >> plus adapt to climate change. that will require -- >> how important is it -- that it's the government. i understand the government is a goods and services and has buildings. but this has to extend into the private sector to make a major difference. >> sure. we need to see the private sector step up. they haven't yet. in a significant way. we don't see them disclosing risk. you don't know the risk your house faces either from wild fire or from flooding. there's no disclosure that it made regarding that.

except a state by state basis. it's often not effective. businesses aren't disclosing major corporations aren't disclosing risk from the transition away from fossil fuel. what that could mean for the assets. also for their risk themselves to these climate worsened events that could disrupt supply chains. it could mean the personal nel can't get to work as we see in a number of states when there's storm surge and flooding and wild fire. and massive public health implications. the markets haven't truly responded yet. in my opinion we'll take government action to spur the private sector to have the response necessary to get the united states in a condition to with stand the impacts but also our allies across the world and countries that we're concerned about for strategic reasons.

if those countries fail -- >> for that reason. john keri is relevant. when we were first in the climate accord we were a leader in this policy. pulling out we are lagered in the world. thank you for joining us. alice hill. she was a special substantiate to president obama. and author of a remarkable book called building a resilient tomorrow. thanks again for your time. >> thank you. what a pleasure. >> stick around for the next hour. we dig into the president's ongoing election fight. can you believe that. and the drastic steps the white house aids are taking to keep themselves out of it. after this short break. you know♪ ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i feel. ♪

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