what we expect, unfortunately, as we go for the next couple of weeks into december, that we might see a surge superimposed upon that surge that we're already in. you know, when i give that message, i don't want to frighten people, except to say it is not too late at all for us to do something about this because, as we travel back to be careful, when we go back to where we are, to just continue to do the things that we've been talking about. good morning, and welcome to "a.m. joy." i'm maria teresa kumar. dr. fauci is forcefully falling calling for americans to stay at

home as covid-19 cases increase across the nation. more than 13 million americans have been diagnosed at over 2,000 americans are dying every day from the virus. as states brace for an uptick in cases due to holiday gatherings the nation's most populous county, los angeles county, is set to impose strict stay at home rules that will take effect tomorrow. meanwhile, health way be on the way as the first doses of pfizer's 1ir9 vaccines are headed to the u.s. from belgium, but keep in mind a vaccine isn't expected for wide distribution until later 2021. a cdc panel will meet on tuesday to decide how the initial supplies of the vaccine will be allocated. joining me now emergency room physician and california congressman and a good friend raul ruiz, cardiologist dr. bernard ashby on the committee to protect medicare, dr. mercedes carnethon from northwestern university and dr. corey hebert, former co-chair of the louisiana governor's covid-19 minority task force.

we should also note that dr. hebert is a principal investigator in a vaccine trial by the pharmaceutical company sonifi. thank you for joining me. so i would like to start with you, dr. hebert. i understand that you are currently in los angeles and i just want you, if you can please, give us the lay of the land. >> well, i will tell you it was an impressive thing that i saw yesterday, folks were masking up. they usually are walking around los angeles outside [ inaudible ] -- were very serious and they realized that in a county like l.a. county with the density that if they don't do what they need to do then this is going to be [ inaudible ] any way day. so as we starting to into this holiday season we have to realize we have to do the things that got us to the point where we were having 30,000, 40,000 cases a day as opposed to 120,000, 130,000. we have to make sure we keep our

distance. people understand these things but we've gotten to a point of cognitive dissidents right now, meaning we know exactly what we are supposed to do, we just tend not to do it because we have covid fatigue. once we have this fatigue, then we don't want to do the things that got us to this point. so, folks, i'm just proud of the folks of los angeles, but this has to sweep the nation, meaning the good things not the virus because the virus is the constant, it's looking for you to infect you. once our emergency rooms and icus overflow then we go back to not having that curve flatten. we talked about that at the beginning, not to decrease cases, but to make sure that we don't overburden our system and we cannot have that going into flu season. >> dr. carnethon, i want to ask you california has often been the marker for what the rest of the country should expect. we just saw that aaa announced close to 50 million folks traveled this holiday season. is this going to be the new normal until we get a vaccine? >> you know, it certainly is, and thank you for that question. you know, one thing that we've

seen consistently throughout this pandemic is that following major holidays we have seen a spike. one thing to note, though, is that we won't see the spike right away. it will be delayed by a week or two because of testing delays, because as people return there's probably going to be a surge in people needing to be tested and the processing time at labs may, again, go up. so what we don't want to do is take heart in saying, well, the cases are relatively flat so we're okay and nothing happened. what we need to do is look a little further out. it was the two weeks following memorial day, it was the two weeks following fourth of july, following labor day, following halloween in many places where we saw the spike and, again, i think we might end up seeing the same thing as we go into december. so we need to keep that in mind as we make plans for the next holiday. and i will end with the point that i've been reading books about what it's like to live during a war and people crave

normalcy, they crave wanting to get back to the things that matter to them and to do those things. the distinction here, we are certainly in a war, but the distinction here is that going back to normal is what's going to prolong this war. the extent to which we try to continue as if it was our lives b.c., before coronavirus, that's what's going to threaten our recovery. so we need to really make the sacrifice now if we hope to come out of this ready to receive this vaccine. >> and i want to underscore that it really does lie in our hands. and i want to bring in dr. ashby. it's always wonderful to have you because you always speak such truth and clarity to the most marginalized of the communities that we need to serve and i want to show you this. the associated press basically just said that the cdc panel meets on tuesday to vote on covid-19 vaccine priority. experts have proposed giving the vaccine to health care workers first, high priority may also be

given to workers in essential industries, people with certain medical conditions and people age 65 and older. i want to ask you one of the things that we're seeing as well is that nurses are getting displaced from rural and poor hospitals because other communities can pay them top dollar. are you concerned that this distribution of the vaccine will disproportionately impact more rural -- excuse me, more urban areas and wealthier regions than more rural areas and poorer parts of the country? >> thanks a lot more having me. i have developed a reputation for keeping it real, but, you know, when you are at war you have to speak truth and you have to speak truth to our leaders and currently there is a leadership vacuum. as we go into this -- as we are in the midst of this third surge and by all accounts the most deadly, there is an un -- what's the word i'm looking for?

it's appalling to look at the leadership vacuum that exists currently as we speak. you know, the vaccines when they do come out there's been a lot of talk and a lot of hype about how it's going to curb this pandemic and i am very hopeful, but, again, what we've noticed is that the people who are, you know, workers, who are the people who are people of color seem to get left out time and time again and we have shourtered the brunt of this pandemic. basically as the vaccines are rolled out i fully expect the disparities in the deaths of covid-19 to increase. and why? it's because of the barriers to access, one, and two, the inherent systemic biases that are built into our system. so i think that we need to get out ahead of this and discuss this openly and aggressively so that we can, you know g ahead and prevent this from happening. and as we talk about the current surge that's happening right now, it's incredible to me that folks aren't looking at this as an emergency situation.

this right now is a wartime situation and we need to have daily briefings and i would like to call on the biden task force to get out ahead and actually do daily briefings and not wait for the administration to do exactly what they should be doing right now because i don't think the american people understand what's happening in our hospitals right now. >> i think that is quite true, the devastation that is leaving folks. what folks don't understand is that hospitalizations are going through the roof. hospitals don't have enough beds to take care of folks and health care workers are seeing their own ability to take care of individuals maxed out. i want to bring in congressman dr. raul ruiz who is a long-time friend. i know that you represent one of these rural areas in southern california. how is congress planning on helping deliver the vaccine to areas such as yours and the constituents that you represent? >> well, maria, the bad news is that we are going into the eye of the storm. this is a war and this is the

last great bloody battle in order to get us over the hump, this is the climax, per se, and right around the corner the first quarter of next year is when we're going to start to see these vaccines. so congress has allocated billions of dollars for the research and development of these vaccines, congress has also allocated billions of dollars for helping hospitals and clinic, but like the previous physician said is that we work in a failed system. this system has failed rural, minority, poor, underserved communities and that's why we have health disparities, not only in chronic illness, but now in the death of this covid-19. so we cannot just rely on a system that has already failed. we have to think innovate ifl, we have to know that the logistics and the access to clinics, to personnel who are able to administer the vaccine needs to be beefed up. so we need to continue to fund

programs that will be able to go door to door, that will be able to vaccinate at the workplace, for example, farmworkers and different food logistic chain production locations, at schools, at churches and other locations. you know, we need to -- and i've been focusing on this issue for several months now, writing to the national academy of sciences, to the nih, to the administration about having a health equity public health approach to vaccine distribution and administration in order so that people that are working with infected individuals get them first, then other high-risk individuals. and let's not kid ourselves, we have essential workers who are high risk essential workers and we have essential workers who are low risk essential workers. we need to determine which are high risk and make sure they get them first. those are the people that are in contact in grocery stores and other locations because of their

work with other people. so we need a health equity, public health approach, which is the right approach in order to help stop the spread of this virus. >> and, dr. ruiz, what you are describing very much on the distribution is what paul farmer developed on how to distribute tb and later hiv aids to the most ruralest parts of the world starting first in haiti. it is this idea that health care workers become localized and you have someone that takes care of you to make sure that you are getting the vaccine and it is this idea of going door to door. i wanted to ask you, dr. hebert specifically because i knnoknow are part of the vaccine trials. how is the distribution going to look for communities of color and what is the timeline realistically that the american public -- you or i -- you are a doctor, i whom not a doctor in a medical facility will actually have access to that vaccine? i think it's very important to answer and address because so

many folks now believe because there are a couple of vaccines on the horizon that we will be able to get it tomorrow and we know that's just not the case. >> this is a multi-layer question. first of all, i'd like to say that the folks that are in the rural areas are more likely to die from covid-19 right now, but less likely to get the vaccine. so what the folks said before me, that is absolutely true. marginalized populations at this point have never had access to health care and i like to call them health inequities, not health disparities. inequities means that they are not equal and they are also bad. so with the vaccine i see that we are out there getting african-americans, latino, latinx populations involved in the clinical trials because by and large african-americans, latinx communities, people don't trust the medical establishment, they don't want to take the vaccine. so we can talk about herd immunity all we want but if we have a vaccine we're shipping all across the country and people don't trust the vaccine then they are not going to take

it so that means it that it won't work. that's why people like me have to get out on the front lines and say i'm an african-american, i'm working on these trials. you have to trust if we say this "veep" is going to work then people should probably take it. but to answer your question directly, i don't see the vaccine being widely distributed until march or april because it's just very difficult to get this thing going. we are at warped speed right now, but we have to be able to have the uptick so people can actually take the vaccine across the medical establishment which because of the last administration they have no trust and no leadership and the biden administration i think will be able to provide the leadership that we need to get it across the finish line. >> thank you. before we go, i do have to ask you, i would be remiss, congressman, there are rumors twirling around that you might be in one of the short lists for a cabinet position with the biden campaign. what say you? >> i say that i'm focused on helping our nation get through this pandemic as quickly as

possible and if i were called by president-elect biden, i will definitely answer that phone and have that conversation. >> very well scripted, congressman. thank you, congressman raul ruiz, dr. ashby, dr. carnethon and dr. hebert for your service but also for being very clear. folks, we can't expect wide distribution of the coronavirus vaccine until march or april. stay home. wear a mask. next up, trump's inspiring chuckles from kamala harris. trg chuckles from kamala harris. oh, i will rescue you finding the right words can be tough.n it comes to autism, finding understanding doesn't have to be. together, we can create a kinder, more inclusive world for the millions of people on the autism spectrum.

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president trump has been making motions that he will run again in 2024. do you feel like you and president-elect biden would be ready to face him again? >> please. despite what the vice president-elect may think donald trump is already reportedly running for president in 2024. according to the daily beast in trump fashion he may even hold a

campaign event during the president-elect biden's inauguration. joining me now is alexi mccammond, timothy o'brien author of "trump nation" and jennifer rubin opinion writer for the "washington post." jennifer, as a, you know, minted republican what's your take on this, having a side event during one of the most important pieces of transferring power from one president to the next? what's your take? >> i think it's somewhat ridiculous and it's also a good test for the media, frankly. there is absolutely no bigger story than the inauguration of joe biden and no one should cover trump's [ inaudible ]. this is his pathetic -- jumping up and down, me, me, me. in point of fact he is going to do all sorts of things and he is not the center of our political life anymore. he is not the story. i think kamala harris may have been amused that this is now

republicans' problem to deal with. he is the one who is now going to be hanging like a dark cloud over the 2024 wannabes, so let them cope with him and they should ignore him thoroughly and get on with the business of governing the country. >> tim, i want to talk this whole thing that we're finding that one of the reasons that he may be saying that he's running for president is more to line his own coffers. trump solicits election defense that finances leadership pac. 60% of each donation goes to save america and 40% goes to other committees, including the national party and the trump campaign accounts. you wrote "trump nation." is this just a way for him to continue lining his coffers, tim? >> of course it's a way for him to continue lining his pockets, his wallet, his coffers, his vault in the basement of trump tower. he has been doing these kinds of things forever.

i mean, remember -- pardon me -- this is a man who has been essentially ex-communicated from the philanthropic world because he and his three eldest children looted a charities that they have been soliciting funds for forever. and the second they began this narrative about election fraud, eric trump was tweeting people to donate to trump's reelection fund. i think there's no question in their mind that this is a money making opportunity. he will get to keep the money that goes into something like this. the reality is there are some real wild cards out there about his ability to run again in 2024. the one that's most salient to me is if the manhattan district attorney charges donald trump with a crime and donald trump service convicted he won't be allowed to run again. so any republican or trump supporter who wants to give money to trump, should bear in mind that he has a long track record of being -- scamming and

weasely with other people's money and that he has run afoul of the law and that could complicate things as well. >> and i want to have -- i think one of the things that the republicans were hoping for is that he might be able to save the senate for the republicans in georgia, but there seems to be a very effective tool that he has weaponized, this idea of voter fraud. he was on fox news earlier this morning saying there's huge rampant voter fraud but, alexi, it may be actually playing against them specifically in georgia. take a listen. >> it's not decided. this is the key. >> how do we know? >> it's not decided. if you lose your faith and you don't vote and people walk away, that will decide t so we have to work hard, trust us, we're fighting, we're looking at every legal avenue. >> people are losing their -- >> alexi, the whole notion of voter fraud and voter

suppression was really aimed at making sure that black and latino voters didn't turn out. it seems to be having the opposite effect. speak to that a little bit. >> yeah, and thank you so much for having me. good morning to all of you. this is what is so economcomicat this entire situation, this is an extension of what we've been seeing over the last couple weeks that president trump's baseless strategies are having the opposite intent he wanted. the folks that showed up at a campaign event, political event during the holiday weekend, the most devoted you could argue in georgia right now and yet they are still in the believing in the process because of the way that president trump has railed against mail-in balloting, has claimed rampant voter fraud without evidence and what is so ironic about the comments from ronna mcdaniel is she's saying keep the faith in the process. keep the faith in the voting process, which is exactly what they have been undermining this entire time.

but suddenly these folks are supposed to have faith in this electoral process that they've been told for months is not up to snuff. it's completely working against them in a way that they are going to have to keep cleaning up. but what is really incredible about this moment is i think it's foreshadowing what we can expect for the republican party in 2022. even if president trump isn't president any longer he's going to be able to pull these candidates off course and make them answer for different things that they may not want to be talking b one thing we didn't hear in these clips from these folks was coronavirus relief and whether or not that's coming from senate republicans or republicans on the hill to their american families, to their families to help them. it's all about these conspiracy theories that president trump has successfully implanted in their minds that's totally changing not just their behavior but the way they engage or disengage with the political process which could hurt republicans in these crucial senate runoffs. >> jennifer, how do we basically get back to reality? i think one of the most interesting pieces of the trump campaign and the trump presidency is people not believing in facts and truth.

we jest on sunday morning but that is long term repercussions when it comes to ruling, safe guarding our families, the vaccine of covid, it really has deep implications. what can we do as a public but also joe biden to address this disinformation mayhem that we see right now? >> well, far be it for me to quote or use something that roger stone said, but he suggested that republicans boycott the georgia elections. well, if republicans want to do that maybe we should boycott coverage of donald trump. seriously. there is plenty of news being made and i think both the biden camp and the media have to sort of agree that we're going to get back as you said to policy, to facts, to normalcy. i think you're going to see an entirely different style of governance from the biden folks. i think they're going to be very transparent, they are going to release a lot more information, you're going to see all those

facts that were hidden on the websites of various government agencies and departments go back up. i think you're going to see when we have briefings that the experts are actually going to do the briefings. you already see the return of really highly respected experts on their covid team, you're going to see the same from their national security team which was widely heralded as professional, reasonable minds, that know what they're doing. so i think we're going to really see a relatively dramatic shift and i believe it behooves the media, i think it behooves all the political class to exercise some self-discipline and keep the eye on the ball just as your prior guests were talking b we have a major story which is how we're going to get vaccinated. we have a major story about the economic recovery. we have a major story as to whether joe biden is going to make good on promises to enact measures that promote racial justice. these are big important issues and frankly one of the benefits of getting the biden

administration is we can talk policy again. we can talk how governance works and i think that should be a relief and a reward for the voters who voted for joe biden. >> so, jennifer, i am as wonky as they come and policy is really one of the things that i love to talk about most. i think you're absolutely right, we have big issues to tackle in this country. but, tim, let's be -- let's level with each other. one of the things that gave breath to trump was his ability to capture the media's imagination and it was almost a catch-22, the more that folks aired his out of the box thinking, so to speak, and his kraulty the more he seemed to en began dies himself and increase his supporters. is the media going to be disciplined enough to do that and to change the chapter that jennifer is encourages you to do once he is no longer in office or will we be too tempted to cover his shenanigans, and what harm can that cause if we do?

>> well, i think that that is the -- that is the core question about how the media deals with trump obviously going forward and i think jennifer has put her finger right on it. donald trump was a pathologic liar and he is a tireless propagandist. he is essentially the creation of propaganda. he was considered a punch line to folks in the 1980s until "the apprentice" came along and the reality tv phenomenon rehabilitated him as this idea that he was a dealmaker, an entrepreneurial guru to the masses, all of which weren't true, but he actually rode that into the white house and it's one of the reasons he has traction with tens of millions of voters. i think the challenge now for the media is -- and it's always been the challenge with trump, because politics obviously isn't a world in which there is a lot of dissembling and spin, but donald trump is a different order of magnitude. because he is a pathologic liar

and because he has the traction and imagination of a large swath of the voting base, how does the media cover someone like this when the traditional approach of the media is to try to be at least institutional mainstream media objective, present readers with fact, present readers with both sides of an issue and, quote/unquote, let the reader decide in an ideal world. donald trump, i think, blows that approach up and the real challenge for the media going forward, i think, is to limit his air time when he's obviously lying or when he's twisting the public interest to his own services, and then to cover him in a way that doesn't fall into both sidesism and doesn't fall into overly credulousness about -- being overly credulous about who he is and what he has done because he is a very dangerous force in american society right now. >> and, alexi, i want to leave you with the last word on this. we have known the inner thinks,

so to speak, of donald trump because of his twitter account. do you expect joe biden to use it for the same force of good when it comes to policy and when it comes to the day to day? >> well, we've already seen from the biden/harris transition twitter account the way in which it's used very professionally. it's used to announce the staff folks or to announce policy rollout, remind people of past policies they had put forward. just the other day there was a tweet not based on any one news event that was about systemic racism and the plan they had put out initially around that topic. we see how it's being used in a more traditional way certainly than donald trump has used and there is no reason to believe that a president joe biden will tweet at all in the same way in a a president trump would. in fact, he might tweet less than donald trump has over the entire four years than trump did, you know, in one year. i think it will be totally different, though to jennifer's point before i think we will see a lot more transparency from a

president biden and the websites and the way that he speaks and the things that they disclose which doesn't have to happen through twitter and might be better not to happen through twitter than we've seen from president trump. >> shocking, no more twitter diplomacy. i think i could leave with that. thank you, alexi, tim and jennifer for joining me. more "a.m. joy" after the break. joining me. morea. "m. joy" after the break. if you need the key to fresh laundry try gain flings. they have more freshness ingredients compared to bargain liquid detergent. they have 3 super powered ingredients that fight stink oxi boost febreze odor remover and concentrated detergent.

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but now being on my own and just being in this situation that i never could have expected, i never thought that i would need to do something like that and go to a food bank. i didn't even know that there were resources. >> and so we've seen probably well over 400% increase in the amount of food that we've been giving out during the pandemic and our fear is going forward that that number is not going to change, it's going to actually increase. this week we saw lines stretching for miles at food banks as americans risked their health to wait in line during a pandemic to keep their families from going hungry. our recent analysis of census data found 56% of american households with kids say they very not confident that they can afford food between now and the end of december, that means

millions of americans in the richest country of the world, the land of abundance, are wondering where o to get their next meal. i want to bring in former hud secretary julian castro and full disclosure a senior advisor to voter latino. thank you for joining me today, secretary. >> great to be with you, maria teresa. >> i want to dive in because the montage that we saw in the beginning was of a young woman talk being how she never thought thee would be food insecure. you penned a piece in the "new york times" specifically talking about a plan of action and the need for us to take this seriously because of so many millions of americans suffering in the middle of what i would say a very -- you know, roaring '20s kind of background where the dow jones is rallying at an all time high. this two americas. can you speak a little bit to this? >> i mean, that's true, we do have -- we have had, as many people know, a growing inequality gap and that's

expressing itself tremendously during these times. you know, the story that the woman told in that clip is one that we hear over and over again at food banks across america. 40% of the people that are accessing food banks right now say that they're doing it for the first time. there are a lot of families who feel like i never expected that i would be in this situation, that we would be in this situation, having to rely on a food bank, but we see miles and miles of lines in cities big and small across our country and we see tens of millions of families out there who are food insecure, going hungry, not enough food to eat, on top of that we've seen more evictions rising in different communities. so what this calls out for is immediate action that should have happened months ago when

the house of representatives passed the heroes act that included additional support for rental assistance and for food banks and other things to strengthen our social safety net during this pandemic. it did not happen because mitch mcconnell and his buddies in the senate have been sitting on it, but my hope is that if it doesn't happen before january 209 of next year that it will happen when the biden administration takes over. >> you mentioned what is going to expire. i want to put up a graph of all the programs that are set to expire by december 31st. everything from the coronavirus relief program, it includes unemployment compensation, pandemic unemployment assistance, federal eviction moratorium, mortgage forbearance and foreclosures and student loan payment suspension. what in your opinion looking at the big picture can be done immediately? we know that the senate will have roughly eight to 15 days when they get back from their own vacations. what do you implore them to do?

>> this is so crazy, maria teresa, these folks are on vacation. >> right. >> even as people out there are getting evicted, they're going hungry, they are getting the coronavirus. what they need to do, first and foremost, is to pass that heroes act that is already on mitch mcconnell's desk, it could be passed immediately, or at least come up with a compromise that will put significant investment into american families and make sure that people have a safe, decent, affordable place to live right now and that they don't go hungry. that is not rocket science, it's not asking more than we should from our elected officials. these republicans especially in washington, d.c. but they completely out of touch, i think, with the needs of american families. that's why i'm hopeful that in january if these folks don't get it done before then, that in january with a new administration that we can get it done. and what a way to start the

year. you listed all of those things. what a way to start 2021 with so many families out there not knowing whether they're going to be able to stay in their home or their apartment, whether they're going to have enough food to put on the table. you know, out of a job but don't have enough unemployment benefits or any at all, we can do better than that in this country and we need to do better than that. >> so one of the things that struck me was senator cornyn from texas basically applauding the food bank lines but he is one of those individuals right now taking a vacation from making sure there is relief in your home local state. can you talk a little bit about texas and its crisis. >> near the beginning of the pandemic here in my hometown of san antonio they said they were serving 120,000 folks on a weekly basis. that was double what they normally serve. just a couple of weeks ago there was a clip that went viral, i think out of dallas, with lines

stretching for miles of people waiting for food in that food bank and you could write that story whether it's in houston, austin, smaller communities. at the same time folks like joe cornyn sit on their hands, ted cruz same thing in d.c., even though the heroes act is sitting on mitch mcconnell's desk. john cornyn is the second in charge, the second highest ranking republican in the republican caucus of the senate. we need to do better than this for families that desperately need the help. and this affects people whether they're democrat, republican, independent, whoever they are. it's gone so deep during this pandemic that it's beyond ideology. it really is about a disconnect that these people have from their own lives and the lives of people out here in america. >> and i would be remiss to remind folks that cornyn and cruz still receive their paycheck while millions remain unploimd. folks are not going for a hand

out but their tax dollars to basically help them survive. one last question. there are, again, rumors swirling around you, secretary, that you might be joining the biden campaign. what do you say to that? >> you know, i had the monitor serve president obama and i enjoyed that, but those decisions are obviously going to be made by the president-elect and so i will let those decisions be made. nothing is on the table or off the table for me. i'm not planning on that, but obviously i will take a call if i get it. >> secretary, you were one of the folks that was able to move the democratic party to be much more equitable and just so i hope to see you there. thank you, julian castro. >> thank you. after a short break, we will talk about how joe biden can fix donald trump's tanking of the economy. we will be right back. the economy. we will be right back. - [announcer] welcome to intelligent indoor grilling

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it will fundamentally change things are donald trump out of the white house. you will see an epiphany occur among many of my republican

friends and it is already beginning in the house now. you are seeing people that in fact were not willing to vote for any democratic initiative even if they agreed with it because they didn't want to be the odd person out if it wasn't going to pass. no sense being politically beaten if something won't happen. but you are seeing the dialogue changing. >> welcome back to a.m. joy. last year joe biden struck quite an optimistic tone on the campaign trail. but if the republicans will have an epiphany, they better hurry up. when the president-elect takes office in january, he will inherit an economy in at that time ters and millions of americans in desperate need of a second covid relief bill. in 2009 when biden and president obama faced a similar landscape, they were able to pass the recovery act which ultimately kicked off the longest period of economic growth and job creation in american history. but then there were 57 democrat

senators, two diindependents an 3 41 republicans. three republicans crossed the part it i line. fast forward 12 years later, the economic crisis is even worse. that is when president obama recently explained passing a stimulus bill this year won't be so easy. >> right now we got two seat this is georgia coming up. if the republicans win those two seats, then joe biden and kamala harris will not be able to get any law passed that mitch mcconnell and the republicans aren't willing to go along with. >> joining me now is robert reich former labor secretary under president clinton and the author of "the system." i think that you have been sounding this at halar alarm lo the covid pandemic exposed how vulnerable we really are. can you speak to where we are and how we can actually address some of these issues today?

>> well, we're having a perfect storm in the next couple of months. because not only do you have about a third of americans behind on their mortgage or their rent payments, but you also have an enormous number of americans who are unemployed or who are worried about becoming unemployed. first time claims for unemployment insurance are now growing once again, i think there is a very strong case and very strong chance that we'll be going into a double dip recession because simply covid is increasing. so you have all of these things happening just exactly at the same time that the last of the federal benefits are running out with are a are to unemployment insurance and debt relief. so this is going to be sadly a not terribly merry christmas. i'm particularly worried about this period between christmas and inauguration day. if joe biden can very quickly

move and if both seats in georgia do flip to the democrats, it is one thing. but if it is very hard for him to move if the republicans make it very difficult for him and we are in the kind of economic crisis i fear we'll be in, then millions and millions of americans are going to be in terrible terrible state. >> the perfect storm that you're describing really seems to parallel fdr when he was governing. what can we learn from those lessons and what can we advise joe biden? >> well, in 1933 when franklin d. roosevelt took over, the public not only was in desire straights, but knew that it was in dire straits. and the congress flipped over to being democratdesirestraights, it was in dire straits. and the congress flipped over to being democrat and something gentleman matt tick h

dramatic had to be done. today although the economy is in difficult straits and millions are hard up, either because of the economy or because covid or some combination of the two, you don't have quite that unity politically behind the new president. you also have a president that his hands are tied because the senate is so critical. we haven't really talked about mitch mcconnell, but mitch mcconnell becomes a very central person here if those two georgia seats don't flip. and mitch mcconnell has not shown any indication of a willingness to cooperate with the new president. in fact mitch mcconnell is the same old mitch mcconnell. i mean mitch mcconnell starting from when barack obama welected mitch mel said i want to make sure he is a one term president and since then hitch mcconnell has not done anything to help any democrat certainly not any democrat -- certainly not obama. he has given every indication

that he will given joe biden is very hard time. >> so as a former labor secretary, what are the abilities that biden has at his disposal? there is a lot of talk about using executive privilege, executive orders to bypass the senate. we know that trump implemented a lot of this was reallocating funding from the pent gopentago the wall. what does he have in his arsenal to combat the senate that refuses to engage in a bipartisan way for the american people? >> there are a number of things that joe biden could do even independent of the senate or independent of the congress. number one, student loan debts, particularly federal student loan debt, he could by executive order just eliminate almost all of that federal student loan debt. he could also make it easier to form labor unions, he could to some extent raise the minimum wage, that might be a little tricky with congress, but there are ways through executive

orders and regulations that he might be able to do that. through labor department regulations, he could make it -- he could reduce the threshold over which people are entitled to overtime pay. and that also would stimulate the economy. in other words, his hands are not completely tied. there are a lot of things that joe biden could do even with an uncooperative senate. >> and i want to bring in the rest of our guests, secretary, thank you for joining us. we're also bringing in president of the dal dell group. and also former deputy director of hispanic media for hillary clinton. thank you for joining. one thing that you have declared is how our tax bracket is just not fair. and what we're seeing right now under covid is a lot of billionaires and people earning a lot of money leaving states with high income tax and going to places that have lower income

tax. but the federal reserve is literally teetering. is looking at taxation one of the first policy issues that biden should look at? >> it is, but you to go back to your previous discussions, that is one of the things that does involve congress. i think before we even get to the tactical question of what biden can do, we have to get to the moral and spiritual question of what he wants to do, what he has the gall to do. because this is a country in pain. and the pain needs to be the starting point in the conversation. and i would say for a very long time democrats -- too many democrats have used mitch mcconnell as an alibi when charged with economic assault and political negligence. there is no question that the republicans and mitch mcconnell have obstructed a lot of things. but as the secretary just saiiss

including wiping out student debt. you can imagine the fenkts? you can do stuff on the environment, on labor rules. there is a day one agenda published by the american prospect that folks should look at. but i think the spiritual question of does someone like joe biden who radiates personal decency and who has made personal decency the lone star of the campaign, is he willing to fight for structure all decency. personal decency actually doesn't get rid of anybody's medical debt. doesn't actually get anybody relief from the many overlapping sources of pain. and i had an interview with chuck schumer right on the eve of the election in which he laid out a bunch of the fdr style things that he would like be biden to do with a favorable congress. but he also laid out some of the things that can be done without. and schumer who is very much like biden temperamentally, cautious, institutionalist, a moderate, in this interview, schumer was critical of the democratic party over the last

generations saying we were not bold enough in the obama years, the clinton year, we need to be bolder, we need to be more like that fdr spirit. i encourage everybody to read chuck schumer's words because there is starting to be actually a break within this party from the milquetoast policies of the past and the recognition of the need for structure august de se desen desense -- structural decency. >> i was fortunate to have my student loans paid off finally after 15 years. but we understand what that struggle is and how it prevents so many from moving forward. the "wall street journal" also said that the class of 2020 looks for work, not since the great depression have so many young adults lived with their parents. in july, 52% of young adults ages 18 to 29 resided with one be or both of their parents surpassing the previous peak in 1940. this also is very much a line that we saw a surge in youth vote that disproportionately

voted for joe biden. what is his task now to address these very economic issues preventing them from self-realizing what they would consider generations past american dream? >> i agree that we certainly as a party, the democratic party, needs to be bolder and needs to push for bigger policies that have much more of a meaningful impact. however i don't think that we should ever let mitch mcconnell off the hook because some of the poorest counties in our nation are in the state of kentucky and mitch mcconnell is an obstructionist and actually waves a proud confederate flag of being an obstructionist. but i do think that there are things that can be done and i'd like to add to the conversation around what the federal government can do without a senate control. and one of the things that people forget is, i'm a small business owner, and the united states federal government is the

single largest purchaser of goods and services in the world. and what that means is that we can open up the spigots to ensure that brown owned businesses, black owned businesses, women own based in some of the hardest hit communities can have access to those resources and it is within our power to do that. right now we're working with governor murphy, a progressive administration, to market and do outreach for his grants that are going to small businesses. and i can tell you, they are suffer, they are struggling. and what that means for communities that the empty storefront is more crime, an empty storefront is fewer job, an empty store front is more social dislocation and communities that have been hard hit. so while other people talk about the impact on individuals, so i want to bring the small businesses to the forefront and to the table. and so one of the things that we can do is reverse the things that trump has done to stop

black and brown owned businesses from having equal access to opportunities and contracts, one of the things that we can do is to ensure that when these big companies like amazon become so powerful that they are not writing our laws, that is another thing that can be done. and what people can do, the public can do, because i worked this government before i started my business, the wpublic needs t pressure. the marching must continue. the pressure must continue. because the change has to come from within and without. >> and i want to underscore that because folks take for granted that there was such a surge in voting because of a lot of inequities that candidates like candidate bernie sanders, warren, castro, discussed and the need for massive change. almost a reset of america. and that was before covid hit.

how did those trends show in the american xwoois american geist in order to vote for joe biden. >> when young people went to the polls, they voted with a can you think things in mind. and keep in mind that it is millennials and gen zers who have been suffering the most. but they voted with racism on their mind, with social justice and with covid-19 on their mind, that is the priority over the economy. and that is because young people when they look at the america that we're living in right now, when they look at 55 million living in poverty, millions of people living with food insecurity, that people under 20 and 24 years old are facing the highest unemployment rate compared to any other age group, when young people look at that america, they understand that the root of the problem isn't just a band-aid policy.

it is not just a one set of policy solutions. it is structural racism. it is that people understand that they need to reimagine what the economy looks like. and young people voted for bernie sanders and bernie sanders didn't necessarily propose revolutionary ideas. it was ideas that seemed right for them and realistic for them. so i think that is the most important thing that joe biden is up against, understanding the economy in this america through the eyes of young people. because that is the future at the end of the day of this country. >> and we know that the generation z will be the largest population of eligible voters soon. and the generation behind them is even larger. so secretary reich, i want to share this tweet from bernie sanders about the wealth divide. since 1990, there has been a massive transfer of wealth from workers to the people on top while the 1% have seen their wealth go up by 22 strld, t$22 bottom 50% of americans have seen their womenth go down by

$776 billion. we need a strong middle class. i want to get your take on this because there is going to be i believe a big pull within the democratic party of do we vote incrementally or do we go big. what is your take? >> well, i feel very strongly that we have to go as big as we possibly can. the middle class has been shrinking. in fact if we had the same distribution of income we had in the three decades after the second wrld waorld war, the typ american worker would not be earning $38,000 or $40,000 a year, the typical american worker would be earning $60,000 to $80,000 a year. if we had the same distribution of income we had in the first three decades after the second world war, we would have a much larger and more buoyant and growing middle class instead of a shrinking middle class. what we find, many, many people and i hear it all the time in the media, that people say,

well, we want to go back to where we were before donald trump. that would be a terrible mistake because where we were before donald trump, that is a return to that so-called normal, got us donald trump. in other words, we were on the road toward donald trump in terms of stagnant incomes, widening inequality, corruption, institutional and structural racism, if we don't actually change the road we were on, if we don't fundamentally reverse and alter the kind of underlying problems we were facing before of trump, we'll find trumps as far as the eye can see and we're also going to have environmental and racial and other crazies as far as the eye can see. this is the central dilemma of joe biden's time because are exhausted, they are divided, they want quiet after donald trump, they simply want to go back to the way things were, but joe biden cannot afford that

agree of complacency. he doesn't want and should not want to take people back to where they were before. >> and secretary, i am with you 100%. let's not forget for communities of color before wasn't so great. but they are the rising eelectorate and they are hungry for change and that is why they voted for biden. and we need to think audaciously just like a generation 100 years ago did so. what are you encouraging, as each of our panelists is for, american to rethink big again like we did in the past. thank you all. coming up, new york city candidate wiley is here to discuss the supreme court ruling on religious freedom and the coronavirus. the coronavirus. and unmatched overall value. together with a dedicated advisor, you'll make a plan that can adjust as your life changes, with access to tax-smart investing strategies that help you keep more of what you earn.

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the pandemic has resulted in previously unimaginable restrictions on individual liberty. it pains knee say this, but in

certain quarters religious liberty is fast becoming a disfavored right. for many today, religious liberty is not a cherished freedom, it isoften just an excuse for bigotry and it can't be tolerated. >> so a win for religioused a row c advocates, the supreme court ruled against governor cuomo's restrictions on religious gatherings. newly minted justice amy coney barrett cast the final vote. this will be a new normal for the court. joining us, mya wiley. thank you for joining me today. >> great to be with you. i have to say that when we saw that chief justice roberts came out saying that the courts should not be in the place ofvi

basic science, that should be an alarm bell. can you speak to that? >> yeah, first let's say we all understand the importance of community and the importance of religion and worship in the context of community and in a crisis. we all feel that. but here the issue was literally in a state that has lost 26,000 lives, hardest hit by coronavirus in which our coronavirus infection rates have now gone up dramatically. whether or not a isitting governor utilizing science can decide what protects the public from a pandemic. and in this case, we had a district court weigh the evidence and say that was

restriction on gatherings that was carved out of science. and that was why the supreme court's decision in a case in which the restriction no longer applied, this was not relevant to these houses of worship anymore, that still it was going to flex its muscles and say that sitting governor could not follow science to make a decision and let the courts decide before coming to the supreme court whether or not that was restriction on first amendment speech. just astounding. >> so how does this impact a megachurch as an example, if they want to gather? who is responsible if there is a superspreader event there and are there any repercussions for that church? >> here is why the supreme court's decision was so outrageous. because right now it doesn't change anything. what is going on in new york

state is that the governor created a coding system and code red means virus rates are going up in a particular locality, a particular -- could be neighborhood, could be one mile radius, could be a very small area. and if in that zone it is a red zone, then there was a limit to how many people could gather in a church or place of worship. and that is what was at issue, the red zones or the orange zones. but what happened before the supreme court ruled is the cases went down low enough that where these places ofwo worship that were suing were located became yellow zones, so that means that they could operate at 50% capacity. so it was no longer relevant in the moment. the supreme court had nothing it rule on. it could have allowed this case

to proceed in the appellate court to decide whether there was a problem or not, a constitutional problem or not. so right now, no, you can't have a big megachurch and just fill it up, you are still subject to restriction of if you are in a yellow zone. so all religious worship is limited to 50% capacity if they are in a yellow zone. that is why it is outrageous, it literally was the supreme court saying that we on religious grounds will say we think that we disagree with you as a sitting elected official looking at science. >> so is this the lobby hobby supreme court that we've seen, is this more to come, and how are they going to address this supreme court that seems so out of step with the majority of americans? >> yeah, i think that we've seen a court has now been shaped by donald trump. it is a court in which we have

unfortunately justices, unlike justice roberts who it must be said said we don't have any reason to rule here right now. i might agree with you on the merits when it comes back to us, but right now we shouldn't rule. this is a majority of the court that is not in step with proenktsing t protecting the rule of law but rather advancing an ideological position. that should concern us all. and the question is, whether the biden administration will make moves to possibly seek legislation to expand the side of the court to try to add some more balance to it. i think that we might have to wait what happens in georgia to see if that is the direction we'll go in. >> and i think that you are actually forecasting what needs to happen, otherwise we'll have a court that is more of an activist court and focusing on the minority of individuals versus the majority rights. thank you for joining me. >> thank you. coming up, a young artist gets the call of a lifetime. i'll introduce you to him next.

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joe biden did not get 16 million more votes than barack hussein obama. joe biden did not get 14 million more votes than hillary clinton. he beats obama in swing states. now think of that. he beat obama in swing states. you know that didn't happen. >> donald trump is still pedaling baseless conspiracy theories as of this morning. theories about election results so that let's talk about how this math works. president-elect biden earned about 80 million votes, nearly 7 million more than trump and 11 million more than be bomb. the population is now an increase of roughly 31 million people and adult voters are up an estimated 1 25 mi25 million

2008. so that is 25 new million voters each if you split it. so easy to see why biden's votes surpassed obama's total. my panel is back with me. so let's break this down because i always think president trump needs some assistance. so who are the professionalpo pollsters among us, where did the voters come from specifically and i would want you to talk about the youth vote. >> yeah, so i think that you are right. you started the segment by reminding him that the entire u.s. population has grown, the number of eligible voters has grown, the number of registered voters has grown. so we're not stuck in 2008. and turnout was just way higher. let's also remind president trump that he got about 10 million more votes than he did

back in 2016. so these were not all brand new votes for biden. yes biden did get more of them. and where was the strongest? the youth vote. we saw higher turnout rates among people under the age of 30 both in early voting and finally on election day combined. it was one of the largest increases that we had seen going all the way back to 2008. that historical election when barack obama one. so youth voters were very inspired. and what is another makeup of youth voters? they are more diverse. we saw incredible increases in the number of people of color especially young people of color voting and many first time voters. so we had about 20 million more votes cast than we did back in the last election. and, yes, more of those did go for biden, but also we're not hearing anything about the millions of additional votes that trump did receive. so voter turnout was high, people were interested in this election and that is a good thing for our democracy, not something to be complaining

about like a cranky old man. >> and as one who has been tolling away for the latino vote and to see the enthusiasm among young latino voters i think really demonstrates on how they have a lot of skin in this game. so when we say that for the first time that we saw 12 million more eligible young voters then baby boomers, we're seeing a sea shift and two-thirds of them are young people of color and who really have provided a pathway for biden to occupy that white house. speak a little bit to that. >> yeah, that is huge. so we saw a surge in voters that were young asian americans, we saw about, what, i think 83% of them voted for biden. we saw the latino community about 68 -- and we're talking young voters -- voted for biden.

and 90% of black voters in georgia voted for biden. and so so went the youth vote, so went the national vote. it was huge. and this is a huge victory because a lot of young people at the beginning of the primary season were not that excited. they weren't that excited to vote. so organizers on the ground had a lot of work to do to show them that this election mattered, that their vote was going to make a difference and we saw that it really did. >> and i have to say, that we were seeing the same thing at voter latino, the organization that i run. our biggest concern was back in february where the temperature was tepid. we registered 601,000 voters and majority were new and they came out in force in the states that gave joe biden the victory. we saw young latinos lead in nevada, in arizona, they led in pennsylvania, and they also led their counterparts in georgia,

which is now possibly about to deliver joe biden two senate seats. so we have now all these young voters that came out. what are their priorities and what should they expect from the biden administration? >> just going really back to the math that you mentioned, i think it is important -- >> we all like the math. >> i simply want to say because it is a math that is overshadowed by color, and that trump doesn't want to see. more white people voted for him, but still more latinos voted for joe biden, more black people voted for joe biden, more api folks, more young people voted for joe biden. and that is a math that he will never want to see because that lette threats the core of trumpism. so young people as you just head particularly young organizers of color gave joe biden that victory that he very much needed in arizona, which is young organizers that were organizing

for sb-1070 for the past 20 years. it was young organizers in nevada with the highest percentage of undocumented immigrants per capita. it was d.r.e.a.m.ers who did that. georgia, 90% of black youth voted for joe biden. so what do they want to see? they want to see all of that work and they want to hold joe biden accountable for the very promises that he has made. and i think what is important for him to keep in mind, that he can't risk deception, right? he can't risk deceiving that promise. when he talks about immigration reform in the first 100 days, d.r.e.a.m.ers need to see that. when he talks about rooting out structural racism in the first 100 days, black people need to hear that. when he talks about student loan relief, young people need to see that. so i think the biggest picture is joe biden can't risk turning that to the side because that is the future of the democratic party and not holding that

promise to truth can have a very dangerous impact. >> and i'd like to remind everybody that the future is here, they voted and they clearly want issues addressed that are top of mind. and i want to talk a little bit with what we're seeing. these are the top issues that drove youth to the polls. coronavirus, racism, climate change. what do you see right now as this parallels with the biden agenda? >> yeah, right now young people are so concerned about police brutality, climate change and coronavirus. if we look around our 80 campuses, our students were completely displaced. and right now there is a lot of uncertainty about whether school will open in the fall, whether they will go back on campus, what will our economy look like, can they get a job. and so biden has a lot of work to do. he has to really hit the ground running and he has to make sure that he answers all of the promises that he made.

our young people at the andrew good man foundation were hearing that they are having to become entrepreneurs because they there are literally no jobs. and so that really translated actually to good democracy outcomes. one of our ambassadors actually helped us recruit 3,000 poll workers across the nation because he had to make an organization to do that. but the fact that students have to be so innovative to make our economy flow is just a testament to how much trump failed. >> and when we want to do more math for the republican party, matt, we know that one of the reasons that we do see places like texas turn purple and north carolina turn purple is because of growth of the new population. what is at stake possibly, and again people will kill me, because i'm forecasting the midterm elections, but do you see this population boom just as engaged if biden delivers

another congress to the senate in 2022? >> absolutely. 2022 will see the continuation first of all of the democratic surge. we already saw that in 2018, people didn't think that it was going to happen, that there would be such a large youth and people of color vote in that midterm. it continued in 2020 and we're forecasting that it will continue in 2022. part is simple demographics. we talked before about the incredible number of young people in the state of texas who are turning 18 and becoming eligible to vote. that won't stop. those young people will still have birthdays and they will be registered voters. so the demographic changes that are happening in many of these states, and georgia is similar, it is a very young state that is demographically changing, that will continue. these young people are paying attention to elections, and if they continue to register and turn out in that 2022 midterm, that will continue that blue wave that started in 2018. so that is something to be paying attention to, what are the growth rates in that younger

population because they are transforming our states. >> and let's not forget that one of the reasons that the voting rights act was gutted in 2013 was because the republicans saw the demographic changes in the 2010 census and they knew that 2020 was when young latinos and young african-americans and native minuamericans would surp their counterparts. this is no accident, folks. we have to continue making sure that we're registering, voting and fighting back voter suppression laws. thank you all. k you all. since my dvt blood clot... i wasn't sure... was another around the corner? or could things go a different way? i wanted to help protect myself. my doctor recommended eliquis. eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent another dvt or pe blood clot.

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major. >> well, many thanksgiving traditions had to be postponed due to the pained. one holiday tradition was safely able to entertain folks at home. the national dog show. as a reminder to lean into the simple joys in these difficult and unprecedented times, joining me now to discuss how we can take care of our mental health in the midst of a pandemic, founder and medical director of elvid. thank you for joining me. one of the issues of the pandemic has been the often taboo subject of mindfulness and mental health. we know that we've had an increase in the mental health despair days among americans since the pandemic hit. how do you talk to your patients during this time? >> absolutely. so first off, to give perspective, approximately 264 million people worldwide suffer from depression. you know, the journal of

american medical association looked at depression prior to covid as well as months of march through june of covid. pre-covid, one out of every five americans suffered from depression. with the youth ages 18 to 27 being at higher risk. so during covid, those numbers have increased three-fold. so you can only imagine what they are looking like thousand. i always tell my patients that stress is the number one factor for depression as well as suicidal thoughts. so we need to be sure to figure out ways to check the stress as i call it. >> and so i want to bring in e something from dr. parker who wrote, for many of us the tradition thanksgiving won't be

possible, that is certainly a giant constraints, but it also creates new possibilities. whether listening to stories from an elder or teaching or learning from your children's lessons about the founding history. and she goes on to say that the importance of this pandemic and having these ideations of mental illness has everything to do with how we look at it and how we tackle it. what do you recommend for your clients and patients and for our audience recognizing that this is tough times, they may have had a holiday season for the first time alone, but how can they combat some of these issues. >> i'm so glad you brought that up. first of all, seasonal affective disorder, also known as seasonal depression, is something that existed prior to covid. it happens in the fall and as

well as the winter. so with heightened depression levels prior to covid and now you have a three-fold increase in covid with seasonal effectafe disorder or depression, you have people who need what i call check your realities and your expectations. what do i mean? the expectations at the holidays are often to please family, to get along with family, to get together with family, to have large celebrations, large meals, so on, so forth. and the reality during covid is that we just cannot do that. so if you lower the gap or close the gap between reality and expectations, meaning communicate up front what the new thing is going to be for your family, whether that is each individual family of four within the household, cook a meal, have a virtual large family gathering, or whatever your new thing will be, communicate the expectations up front so that there are no

disap-i want fdisa disappointments later because disappointments can lead to anxiety and depression. >> and i also know that for a lot of communities of color, just having this conversation is a difficult one. there is cultural norms still yet to be broken. i know that for the latino community for example, immigrant communities, what happens at home stays at home. that is not always good advice when seeking assistance and help. how do you self-care and how do you recommend breaking some of the cultural barriers? >> i'm so glad you asked. first off, i want to tell people that it is okay to not be okay sometimes. you don't always have to have it all together. and a lot of times, the facade that we try to portray to people around us take us more effort and more stress to maintain than actually just being ourselves. i'll be the first to say, hi, i'm dr. legree, i'm a physician

but i've suffered from depression in the past. so the way we destigmatize it, no matter what title you hold, what income or background you have, communicating your story will make people feel comfortable around you to ask you how do you get through, how did you get through. me personally, i have sort of what i call my three mantras, peace, purpose and happiness. does it contribute to my peace, does it contribute to my purpose, which i had to take time to figure out, and finally, does it add value or take value away from who i and my happiness. if any of those answers are no, then i don't waste a lot of energy, time and effort on to it. so that is what i tell my patients. paerk peace, purpose, happiness. >> i love that. and i have to share with you the new activity that i found with my children to help reduce my anxiety has been cooking.

and anytime we cook an it at that time italian maleal, we pl italian music. it has been fabulous. so thank you for the work and helping us break the stigma. >> absolutely. thank you for having me. that is our show for today. thanks for watching. but before we go, the a.m. joy team would like to say good-bye to one of its most crucial members, our director who 4has on the show from the very beginning. and when i started, he coached me and i'm so deeply appreciative. you've been a friend and mentor for so many. we wish you and your family all the best in your next journey. up next, alex witt. journey. up next, alex witt a flexible wealth plan. you'll have access to tax-smart investing strategies, and with brokerage accounts online trades are commission free.

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very good day to all of you. we're approaching high noon here in the east. welcome to weekends with alex witt. in wisconsin, the end almost near, the dane county board certified its election results moments ago after finishing a recount in the now empty room. the county clerk says the vote total will change by dozens of votes, but it will be nowhere near enough to shift the thewin from biden to trump.

this is as there is a new legal blow in pennsylvania. the state supreme court there throwing out a challenge by a state lawmakering seeking to invalidate millions of mail-in votes, just one of more than 26 pro trump legal challenges that have already been dismissed by courts nationwide. and on capitol hill, the sthats is ba the senate is back in session tomorrow and members of the gop will be taking a lunch break literally. mitch mcconnell is temporarily suspending in-person lunches as a growi ining number of gop sens test positive for covid. sgloo . and health officials have bracing for another coronavirus surge on top of the already record-breaking number of cases as millions head home after thanksgiving. >> what we expect unfortunately as we go through the next couple of weeks into december, that we might see a surge superimposed upon the surge that