♪ good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonights alead, lost in transition. with thanksgiving behind us, this coming week will be a big one for president-elect joe biden. not only will he get his first presidential daily briefing tomorrow, he will actually read it.

also plans to announce a new member of his economic team with an manufacture cyst on helping americans devastated financially by the coronavirus pandemic. so far, biden's picks look a lot more like america than we've seen than the past few years. including the first latino and immigrant to head up homeland security and first woman to serve as director of national intelligence, and treasury secretary. justice to name a few. the team is drawing praise from moderates and progressives, and so far, only muted criticism from republican lawmakers but biden faces one major hurdle in this ambitious plan of governing the current occupant of 1600 pennsylvania avenue, who seems determined to sabotage his presidency before it has even begun, while biden seeks to

prioritize the climate crisis, president trump is making a last-minute push to sell drilling rights in the arctic. biden looks to restore daca and president trump is even reported ly considering holding his own political event on inauguration day to compete with biden. it would be a kickoff of sorts for 2024 campaign. it would be spiteful and petty but a big step forward for trump meaning he finally conceded he lost in 2020. so we start in wisconsin, where a $3 billion recount has been

completed and president trump still has not accepted the results. joining me is democratic congresswoman gwen moore from wisconsin. congresswoman, thank you for being with us tonight. >> always good to be with you, rev. really. great setup and actually that $3 million recount resulted in 132 more votes. >> $3 million recount and biden went up 132 votes. president trump tweeted yesterday about the wisconsin recount, after he actually lost votes in milwaukee county, york county. claiming the count doesn't matter. he's just hunting for illegal votes. how much longer can president trump drag out this process in your state, congresswoman? >> i don't see the end game, i

have to tell you the truth about it. one of the ballots that he wanted to throw out, for example, was the one i cast, i put into a drop box and somehow wanting to declare that illegal. i was ready to go to war over my own vote. we don't have any provision in state law for our republican hill legislature to choose the electors here, so i don't know what he plans to do also. he chose those two counties to do the recount. he can't come up with more money and start another recount. we're going to certify these votes tomorrow. >> well, we are certainly watching these tournaments. >> early in the morning. >> he's talking lawsuits and all. we'll be watching. he hasn't in any court in any state made any progress. let me go to another issue that is very, very important, and that is the uptick of coronavirus. it's hit your state, hit your

areas of where you represent. what can the congress do, and the incoming president and vice president do to deal with this problem of the coronavirus pandemic and how do we get this done as soon as possible. >> well, rev, you've heard, both of us have heard what the doctors have said that wearing masks really reduce, dramatically reduce your chances of catching the virus. what we've found in some places unfortunately in wisconsin, we've had hospitals have corona patients in the emergency room who refuse to wear masks and they had to call police to put a mask on. it's become a cultural thing. it's part of trumpian identity, that we're going to be struggling going forward in all areas. think about people who don't

want to take this virus seriously because of their political affiliations. it is played out for far too long and continues to be one of the most dangerous aspects of fighting the virus. so the president has said that he would issue a national mandate and i guess that's what will have to be, but we might find this going through to the supreme court, look at how they ruled the other day about synagogues and churches, saying that it was, that it imposed on people's rights to require them to close, so i'm very concerned that if we can't regulate your own behavior, that, and do it voluntarily, reverend, that we're going to have a very difficult time until, up to and including getting people to accept the vaccination, because that's, again, another -- >> that was my next question, do you have concerns about one,

that many particularly in the black community have concerns about any vaccines given some historic problems and second, that the vaccines will be distributed once everyone is comfortable that the vaccine is durable and will work and nothing contrary to someone's health to cake it. once we get past that hurdle nationwide and every community are you concerned it will be distributed evenly like to your constituents. let me take the last part first. that is the most important part to make sure that people who don't have money and can't run to their private doctor and get the vaccine are not in front of the line. but also the paranoia african-americans have is real. they have experimented on and people like me, you know, when i

am certainly a person who is immune, compromised, i'm doing very well on some oral chemo medications but i've been careful during this pandemic and i'm going to show people, look, i'm going to take in, watch me take the shot, and you know, facebook live or something every week or two, between the shots, to let them see that i'm doing well. i think that we're going to have to have people vouch for this within our community. someone said they're only going to take the vaccination if dr. fauci gives it to them. so we got to have some third party verifiers. maybe you'll do it, reverend al. >> what about economic relief? the house passed the h.e.r.o.e.s. act and the senate has not. there will be real pressure on economic relieve coming very, very shortly, because the

federal aid is running out. there is no real economic relief for small businesses, and for people. what can be done as we look at a new administration, because all eyes are looking at the white house and the fact that the last president didn't do it is not going to satisfy some people. >> that's the point, your last statement. this is maligned neglect. republicans and donald trump is walking out the door, not caring about businesses, the restaurant industry, 95% of them may be closed forever, not caring about people having enough ppe, not caring about small businesses, not talking about all of these things that of course the congressional black caucus, with you put a 12-page legislative document together covering state and local governments, schools,

ppe, small businesses, people who are getting evicted, all kinds of things in that package that's been held hostage to their russianing to the supreme court nominee and not really giving a darn about people.hing court nominee and not really giving a darn about people. just like you talked about them dismantling national security, i think rachael maddow talked about the dismantling, the planes that do surveillance you talked about, them undermining environmental mental protections at the last minute, there's a deliberate effort to make it harder for this president, but the people have spoken, rev, and god didn't bring us this far to just leave us. >> i believe that and preach that. thanks for being with us, congresswoman gwen moore. president trump continues to attack specific states and

cities around the country. most of them heavily black populations and also considering a covid vaccine rollout plan that could leave behind those communities hit hardest by the virus, specifically black and brown folks living in urban areas. joining me is the mayor of jackson, mississippi. mr. mayor, thank you for being with me this evening. let me start here. this weekend, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in mississippi topped 150,000 and in the past week the daily death total hit the highest rate since the start of the randemic. is the republican governor, tait reeves doing enough to manage this crisis in your judgment, mr. mayor? >> first and foremost, reverend sharpton it's a pleasure to speak with you and enjoy our discussions. in a word for your question, no.

the governor has continued to suggest that the increase that we have seen has been a reflection of halloween. he has neglected to acknowledge the fact that he made a decision to withdraw the mask mandate statewide. he made a decision to allow the state fair in the middle of our city here in jackson, mississippi, and while i didn't see many trick-or-treaters, i did see many people going to and from the state fair from all across the state and i think we are seeing the consequences of that decision. prior to that decision, jackson itself had experienced an 11% decrease in its infection rate, and now, like cities all across the nation, we're seeing an uptick and an even more alarming response in our hospitalization rate. >> now, the mayor of denver, colorado, is apologizing for facing a backlash for traveling to mississippi to celebrate

thanksgiving after advising his citys retents to stay home for the holiday, hancock city made the decision with his heart, not his led as a local leader. we see a lot of people are not listening to the admonition, don't travel, wear face masks. what can you not bringing into the hancock question but people who ignore travel advisories and face mask advisories, and other things the cdc has put out during the holidays? >> well, to be entirely honest with you, you always thought that the narrative of telling people not to visit with their loved ones after a very difficult year was going to be a hard one for people to accept. i think more important the narrative has to be one surrounding exercising good judgment, whether that is family members that decided to get several rounds of testing before

they saw each other, whether it's the precautions we invite and ask people to take advantage of each and every day, whether that's the regular mask wearing, washing hands frequently, choosing your company wisely, choosing how frequently you're in congregate settings is all important to making certain that we manage this spread of this virus as best we can. >> now, as you look at this whole landscape, and we look at the fact that they're targeting areas where the vaccine may go, once people are convinced that it is durable and safe, we do not know if it is going to the areas that need it the most, because blacks, one study came out today have died 2:1 to whites in this country, from covid-19. latinos and asians at a higher

rate. so shouldn't there be a strategy, one to deal with those that are reluctant to take it, to convince people it's credible and safe, and second, that we should make sure that it goes to the areas that need it the most, because of the institutional or systemic neglect in those areas, are the reason of this imbalance in who has been diagnosed positive and who has died in terms of race and communities? >> well, i think that what we have seen demonstrated over these several months that we've been in the midst of this pandemic is we have a failed health care system. the system has failed in terms of the amount of treatment and the inequitiable effect on communities, people who, or communities that lack health care and therefore have high instances of underlying health conditions, and has demonstrated

that people who work in areas of necessity, those areas that they have to go to work in order to keep systems rolling are those that are most disproportionately affected, and so in that same vain that has seen the inequitiable and the failed health care system in every way, we have to expect it would be failed in terms of the distribution of a vaccine as well and we have to have a plan in place of people without a vision, so if we don't have a vision of how we intend to distribute vaccines especially in areas and cities and places where people need it the most and are least likely to get access to it, and expect the failure. >> all right, mayor, in a private note, as you know, i knew and worked with your father for many years, and saw you as a young man grow up. is that a little gray frin your

beard, there, wow? i'm not doing rudy giuliani, no dye in my game. good to have you with us. >> yes. coming up, some breaking news from the biden transition as the president-elect announces an all female communications team. we'll have the details soon. and a lame duck pardons a turkey, and michael flynn, president trump is abusing his pardon power on his way out the door. i'll explain next, but first, my colleague richard lui with today's other top news stories. richard? >> thanks, rev. here are some of the stories. coronavirus cases topped 13,300,000 today, but there's some good news as well. the first batch of pfizer's covid-19 vaccine arrived at chicago's o'hare airport today. doses go to distribution points while the fda works on approval,

expected as early as mid-decemb mid-december. the broncos started a quarterback today an undrafted rookie from their practice squad. all three eligible signal callers were benched over covid-19 concerns and even talks of starting their assistant coach, that was vetoed by the league. walton gregly a 72-year-old archbishop from washington, d.c., became the first ever african-american american cardinal saturday. pope francis led the ceremony instead of the usual thousands, only ten guests per cardinal. and david prowse has died at the age of 85, he was famous for his menacing aexperience as one of the great movie villains of all-time, darth vader in the "star wars" franchise. the voice was created by james earl jones. stick around, after the break. (♪upbeat holiday music)

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tuesday the president bestowed the traditional thanksgiving pardon on a turkey named corn and the next day, granted a far less rue teoutine pardon to an agent of turkey named michael flynn, trump's disgraced former national security adviser, the first of what will likely be many pardons in the president's final weeks in office. which trump associates will be granted those coveted get out of jail free cards. will trump pardon paul manafort or his deputy, rick gates. maybe he'll pardon steve bannon or former fund-raiser elliott brody. this man to push the boundaries of the constitution and preemptively pardon himself, because while most pardons are

granted to people who have been prosecuted and found guilty, they can also extend to criminal conduct yet yet uncovered but despite the president's ludicrous 2018 claim that he has the "absolute right" to pardon himself, legal experts say such an action would not stand. the legal vote unlikely avenue for such a thing would be to resign at the 11th hour, and demand mike pence pardon him just before joe biden's inauguration. but i have some advice for the president lackies, don't count your turkeys before they hatch. just like the turkey pardon for this week which will suffer a shortened lifespan due to pre-pardoned activity, the villains in the trump administration cannot be granted a total reprieve with the presidential pardon because the president of the united states

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>> in georgia, which faces a double senate runoff in january, after none of the candidates reached the state mandated 50%-plus-one threshold in november. control of the senate hangs in the balance and all eyes on georgia for the final chapter of one of the most contentious election seasons in history. joining me is democratic georgia democratic candidate john ossoff against david perdue. we have reached out to him and hope he will join me at some point soon. let me ask you, mr. ossoff, you have a new ad called family business. here's just a piece of it. >> david perdue knew what was

about to happen. he was getting classified briefings about the pandemic, but instead of him being concerned about us, he off selling stock. we had no idea we'd have to close our businesses off, we'd lose caterings and so many people died, and then when we needed help the most, he fought against the stimulus checks and to cut unemployment insurance. perdue needs to come out and an ossoff in. >> you're clearly going direct to the people that have suffered in georgia around this pandemic, small businesses, people that have lost their jobs, and people that really don't know where they are going to be aping, making ends meet saying perdue did not stand up for them and had knowledge. >> that's exactly right, and reverend al, thank you for

having me. it's not just the small business owner who has suffered and lost people but also a leader in the black community here, because georgia's black community has been hit the hardest. >> right. >> this is really about the human stakes, the human consequences of the elections, that the senate adjourned once again for the thanks giving holiday, again having spent months without passing any significant relief for ordinary people and businesses who are suffering. they don't care about ordinary people, and let's be real about this. if mcconnell keeps his gavel, it will be obstruction as far as the eye can see. they will hold up this long overdue economic relief for folks like maryland, who runs that amazing restaurant in preston, georgia. we have got to deliver for working people, small business owners, those who have been hit so hard and unless we win these two races in georgia, we will not be able to.

that's why the stakes sore high. >> now, conventional wisdoms say, and you talked about the black voters and blacks in georgia hit the hardest and as you know, i have office of national action network in atlanta so i know that to be true, but that also talks, shows that your faith is tied closely with reverend rafael war zwrnno running against senator kelly loeffler, the other race of the two and i noticed you two are doing events together, yet it seems warnock, drawing the most egregious attacks. i knew him when he was in school in new york in seminary and associate minister at a church here. why do you think that is and what is the ossoff/warnock game plan going forward? >> we campaigned together and

we're friends and we speak routinely and running alongside as friends and family and shame on kelly loeffler for twisting the words of a man of god spoken at the pulpit to produce these nonsense fear mongering attack ads targeting reverend warnock. you know, georgia, reverend al, that is not going to go over well with the people of this state, black or white, nor is the kind of fear mongering and race-baiting that we're seeing in the campaign that's being run against the reverend. the bottom line is, and this is a beautiful clarification of where georgia is now, georgia is poised to send the young jewish son of an immigrant in the senior pastor at ebenezer baptist church together to the united states senate to win the senate majority and in so doing deliver long overdue financial relief to businesses and

families that have been struggling and set the table in washington so we can pass a new civil rights act and new voting rights act and the george floyd justice and policing act and this necessary legislation to expand civil and voting rights, which we all know mcconnell will fight tooth and nail and obstruct at every turn if he remains majority leader. >> he has voted, we had the big march in washington in august, because he did not -- he won't even put the george floyd bill or the john lewis bill before the senate. covid numbers in georgia are trending upward, along with the rest of the country. what actions would you support as senator to control this pandemic and get help for your state? >> well, look, first of all, i think we need to implement the advice of public health experts. we have the cdc, the centers for disease control and prevention right here in georgia. those epidemiologists and

infectious disease experts have been muzzled and suppressed by this trump administration which has politicized the response. we need to trust medical experts and implement best practices and recommend best practices to the public to mitigate the spread of this virus, slow its spread and save lives and we have to get financial relief to people. i mean, i don't understand how these united states senators, no matter how out of touch and tone deaf they may be and my opponent lives on a private island behind three gates. he doesn't have a lot of contact with ordinary people in georgia but to not recognize that six, eight months without economic relief is doing so much damage to the well-being, to the financial solvency, to the household finances of ordinary people here in georgia, so the bottom line, reverend, is trust the medical experts. implement best public health practices, rush economic relief to ordinary people and then

let's pass an ambitious jobs, infrastructure and clean energy bill with which we can lay the foundations for economic recovery, for an equitable, economic recovery that includes economic opportunity for people in all communities, while also contributing to the long overdue effort to protect our planet and fight climate change. >> i have to go but i must ask you, president trump announced he's coming down to campaign for perdue, your opponent and for the other incumbent who was appointed. are you, one, do you think that helps or hurts your campaign, and your colleague, reverend warnock and second, are you asking for president-elect joe biden or vice president-elect kamala harris or president obama to cam back for you? >> first of aulg, with respect to president trump, is he bringing stimulus for families? is he bringing relief for small

businesses? or is he just going to come down ear mean spread covid-19? i mean, this is a disgraced president whos afailed in his re-election bid and he may get supporters from my opponents but he'll intensify the enthusiasm of democratic voters of to reject his deviivisive and hate politics. i hope to have the opportunity to campaign alongside the president-elect and vice president-elect officials in georgia. they need to be focused on the transition so we can have effective government in this country first but i'd welcome with open arms to georgia and grateful to you for having him. >> thank you, john ossoff, and we'll be right back with reaction from our political panel. y making the cloud easier to manage. but we didn't stop there. we made a cloud flexible enough to adapt to any size business.

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president trump says that he will be heading down south. >> speaking of, george, i'll be going there. >> reporter: when? >> i spoke with the two great

senators, they're great senators, kelly and david. i told them today i think you're dealing in a fraudulent system. i'm worried about that. they are tremendous people. kelly leffler and david perdue are tremendous people. they're desperately needed in the united states senate. >> for more i'm joined by susan del percio, republican strategist and senior adviser to the lincoln project and joel payne, democratic strategist. susan, i want to start with this question. would a biden visit help ossoff and warnock or prefer to have president obama visit and vice president-elect harris. biden didn't have huge coat tails for the down ballot candidates and trump can hurt his enthusiastics. for example he insulted arizona senator martha mcsally at her campaign rally, so who helps and

who hurts? what do you think is the best strategy for both sides? >> i think donald trump has only helped himself at a rally. otherwise he always hurts the person he's out there to "help" and the reason i mention that is because he can only talk about himself. he's not going down there to talk about the two senators that are running for re-election. he's going down there to talk about himself and give out his own grievances. now, when you look when it comes to president-elect biden, i think he's in a different situation. he could probably help those two candidates but he needs to focus on the transition. it's best if you can have president barack obama or michelle obama go down there. the democrats are revving to go.

they have something to vote for. georgia a republican state. it's still not blue, it's pretty red. they are disenchantered and trump would turt turnout. >> joel, what sayeth. is thou? >> i think susan is right and joe biden can help. he's the first democrat to win in georgia in 30 years since bill clinton. it's not just a matter of i want to have barack obama or michelle obama. you want every named democrat down there to help surge enthusiasm and surge excitement because for joe biden, let's not forget the stakes are the fate of the u.s. senate which will affect his agenda, it will affect what he's able to do when he takes office on january 20th. this is very consequential to him and i think joe biden has every incentive to be all-in on

georgia. >> susan, isn't this a contradictory message, no surprise that donald trump is contradictory but how do you on one hand tell people to vote and at the same time say that it's a fraud and fraudulent voting system in georgia? i mean, how does donald trump supporters take his contradiction? you're telling us that it's fraud and don't trust the secretary of state, but go and vote for these people? >> because donald trump doesn't care about those people. donald trump only cares about himself. he is not going down there to help anybody but himself. when you look at his actions, just think about what is in donald trump's best interests? for him it's getting his ego boost by having another rally, and more importantly, it gives him a chance to go out and complain and cry about the election not going his way and all of that will end up hurting the republicans, i believe, only

because in this point and time, the momentum that the democrats have especially with what they've been able to achieve on the ground, registering people and getting them to the polls, i think that that is really going to make a big difference. >> let me ask you, joe, what do you make of yesterday's "washington post" story "20 days of fantasy and failure inside trump's quest to overturn the election." it describes the president as brooding, rageful and delirious, muttering "i won, i won, i won" like a mad king george. what did you make of that picture and what does it say about how historians will view this period of time? >> well, rev, as a partisan, i was tickled pink by it but as a patriot, i'm terrified. let answer for's not forget dons the president for another 50 days. much of his mutterings and ramblings of meaning of drivel,

is he in president, in control of the military and the coronavirus response going terrib terribly. we could use a president that's engaged as opposed to one that spends all of his time on a golf course talking up conspiracy theories. again, it was two sides of a coin for me. it was interesting to hear and read and it was great reporting, but it's terrifying and it's just unforgivable that there are so many republicans that are standing him up and that are enabling this behavior. >> yes. as we mentioned minutes ago, the biden-harris transition team announced an all-female communications team led by kate bedi bedingfield as white house communications director, jen pisakis apress sear, korecar re jean pierre and symone sanders

as chief spokesperson for the vice president. many members are pham faces with those of two or three of them are regulars here on "politicsnation" but let me ask you, what do you make of these -- >> i think it's wonderful to see the appointments. i'd like to give a special shout out to coreen, because she's been a fantastic friend over the years and she'll do a great job in her new role at the white house, but i think it does show that these roles which are typically held by men, a lot of the time, it's just nothing is going to be traditional in this white house, expect the unexpected and expect to see a lot more diversity. >> all right, susan and joel, i have to leave it there. up next my final thoughts. stay with us.

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when i was 12 years old, i had already been a boy preacher for several years. and i became enthralled with the image of reverend congress adam clayton powell jr. in harlem. he became the real thing that attracted me to social justice and political ministry. even at that age. this is the 112th birthday of adam clayton powell who passed in 1972. many years later i met an actor who was born 44 years ago to date, chadwick boseman. i thought about them, different fields, different generations when i heard about the cardinal, the first black cardinal to be installed by the pope today in rome, wilton gregory. i thought about archbishop now cardinal gregory, first black in

the roman catholic church to be a cardinal. i thought about the first woman and first black woman to be vice president of the united states. i thought about all of the bills adam clayton powell passed through congress when it seemed like segregation was just something that my parents and they parents just had to live with. and i thought about history keeps moving forward. even in our darkest nights, we must know that if we hold through the night, the sun will breakthrough. and if we keep going, we will make progress. don't get me wrong, it's not just to have blacks be first. it's about having the right people breakthrough so they can open the door and keep it open for others. and for others to come through, not for just personal achievement, but for public agenda that makes it fair for everyone.

i've seen some black firsts that forgot why they got there. i'm glad when i saw cardinal gregory, who has spoken out on the issues in the washington, d.c. area. it's not about just making history, being number one. it's about making the people number one as you make history. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next week 5:00 p.m. saturday and sunday eastern time. up next, my colleague, alicia menendez picks up our news coverage. age. is that ireland...1953? how did you know? mom...that was taken at the farm. it was in this small little village. in connemara? right! connemara it is. honestly, we went there- oh, oh look at that! look at that.

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hello, everyone. i'm alicia menendez. 52 days until joe biden becomes president. and tonight a sobering look inside the west wing in the final weeks of donald trump's presidency. to be frank, it is a lot to take in, from trump's inability to accept reality and his defeat to his relentless efforts to overturn the will of the american people using conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory. all the while taking a sledge hammer to key policies on his way out the door. tonight, what to make of it all as tensions rise the middle east over the assassination of an iranian scientist and amid a growing economic crisis in this country. you'll hear from your fellow americans desperate for help and they'll tell you how you can help them as coronavirus takes a renewed grip on everyone's way of life. this is "american