margin. you have the exact number. i want to tell you before we go, if you are not to the beat. we encourage you to dvr the show. search for melbur. always catch up on episodes. don't go anywhere. the "the reidout" starts now. martha stewart. queen of domesticity. the bunt cake. and ironic gal pal of snoop dog. despite the fame and her wealth, she once sold a bunch of stock one day before the very stock

prices plummeted. she never faced criminal insider trading charges but served five mopts in prison for lying to authorities during an investigation with the sale. enter senator perdue. he was scrutinized for possible insider trading for his sale of more than $1 million worth of stock. the system must work differently for perdue. of the justice department declined to bring charges. now we're learning perdue is a senates most prolific stock trader. according to the "new york times" he sometimes made 20 or more transactions in a single day. and nearly 2,600 trades in a single term. most of which are in companies that stood to benefit from policy and spending matters that came before the senate as a whole, but before the committee and sub committees on which he served. when did he have time to pass

bills? we know that almost none of the trumps campaign promises came true. but in particular his vow to drain the swamp was clearly a joke. perhaps he and his family are that swamp's main artery. the financial transactions of perdue and fellow senator loeffler are the latest in this corruption we are seeing from the republican party rit large. it's not new. but the frankenstein monster that ate the republican party for lunch isn't just trump anymore. it's an entirely new set of people. who even trump can't get a stubby arms around. it's folks like trump attorney. who are lighting up republican infights in georgia. that could cause the party everything. the attorney i mentioned linn wood isn't just stoking conspiracy theories about the

election, he's accusing georgia republican governor kemp of being personally complicit in election fraud. here's what wood said in rally streamed on mtv. >> he can resign. and as far as i'm concerned lock him up. >> lock him up! >> you heard that. lock him up. a man. a republican white man. and a man who is so republican he gained his own governor election when he was secretary of state it defeat stacey abrams and be governor in the first place. that isn't everyone the wildest part of the fever swamp of delusion. wood also told the audience, not to vote in the georgia run off. because he says the system is rigged. >> loeffler and perdue do not do

it. they have not earned your vote. don't you give it to them. why would you go back and vote in another rigged election? >> it cannot make this stuff up. joining many now professor of journalism and politics. a associate professor and politics editor. and former u.s. attorney and former senior fbi official and a esteemed panel here today. i'll go to you first. this is insane. it's the most complicated game of jenga ever. perdue just buys stock while he's a senator. and find out what's happening through inside information and buys stock. now you have wood saying don't

vote in the election. and kemp stole an election for himself. explain georgia to me. >> i watched this over and over again. i'm convinced this a skoob by doo episode. he tears off his mask. this couldn't work any better for the democratic party. republicans have an advantage when it comes to turn out. georgia has been blue for a month. this is not just infighting. you have people not just questioning the value and significance of voting, republicans actively telg republicans not vote. they may seriously actually blow these elections. i want people to understand this about georgia in case they are confused how the state plays out. once you get outside of atlanta, or savannah. it's trump country. atlanta is big. these people are not out liars.

they're not crazy. if they can get a hearing in these places and say, yes, you shouldn't vote in the election for the corrupt inside traders and instead let in the two guys who we say want to defund police. we would rather have that than somebody who doesn't like trump. it doesn't end up working for the republican party. if i was jon ossoff and warnock i would high five. they may march into office based on incompetence. >> if he ripped off his face and it was chuck schumer i would die. you have newt gring rich. saying don't listen to linn wood. they are crazy. you have him going after them. they are all eating each other alive. it's over two senators who both appear to be inside traders. >> yes.

indeed. i have asked you this several times. i keep asking you are they trolling us? what's happening. you wouldn't know the republican party -- i'm confused. my phd is out the window. i'm confused as to why it is the republican party is chosen this moment. the republicans need to hold onto the majority so mcconnell can try and slow down or obstruct any policy positions of joe biden. what the republican party is doing now is trying to make sure the democrats win in georgia, take a majority, chum chuck schumer is the majority leader. and have unified government for two years and joe biden can push forward certain agendas that they haven't thought about since the first half of the first term of president obama. this is i think a result of donald trump in the sense he is practiced the politics of

individuality. and the they catered to him. they have no compass and ideology. trump is the loser. he will be leaving january 20. by hook or courtroom. they are scrambling. they are eating themselves and sadly they will eat their young. there's not a vision about the future of the republican party with younger people across the country. senators and members of the house. governors. should be elevated at this moment to think about 2024. >> their vision is don't let them vote. it's ironic kemp could have crushed the belief of black people in voting. instead, black folks are voting and they're telling each other not to vote. it's wild. to this idea of perdue himself, i started talking about martha stewart. she got in a lot of trouble for doing a small little bit of

stock trading based on what was said to be inside informs and not telling the truth confronted about it. sound like somebody who just got pardoned for much worse. what perdue is doing is systemically playing the market while he was senator. in your view is he potentially in legal trouble and is loeffler in similar trouble? >> right. great question. first of all, trading a lot is not a crime. trading more than any other senator is not a crime. if he's trading on inside information, he has an advantage that you and i as members of the public don't have, and trading on that, that is not just the problem. that's a crime. if you recall there was a congressman from up state new york, chris collins. who is convicted of that. what we need to know is whether he had inside information and traded on it. you have to show he did it intentionally. that's hard. i don't think on a yard sign it

would look good to say questionable ethical behavior. but not indicted. that's not really a campaign slogan. that's where we're at. and that is troubling. is it criminal? don't know enough yet. >> by the way they both have been saying loeffler and perdue they said we never got indicted for this. you have this lawyer in florida. of course florida cannot be left out with the story is embarrassing. florida has to get in there hold my beer. this is a lawyer who is a member of the bar in florida. >> i can do whatever it takes. if that means changing your address for two months. so be it. moving to georgia. >> so investigative reporter is who recorded this. recorded this hour long video.

his name is bill price. shortly before it got deleted. contacted by the station, denied he was serious about the move. but when they went and confirmed he had registered to vote using his brothers address in georgia. you have this guy encouraging people to commit voter fraud and maybe committing it. how much trouble is he in? >> if i were still a government prosecutor i would mark that tape government exhibit 1 and submit it to evidence. it's not good. even if it's just rhetoric. it's awful. you don't often have people soliciting crime and encouraging crime. on video tape. and that's what he seems to be doing. i don't mean to be glib. maybe it's just rhetoric and he gets off the hook. it's deeply disturbing to have anybody particularly an election official talking about committing a crime. can i add one thing? >> yeah.

>> i want to tell christina from a fellow -- it's nice to see you. she'll know being a jumbo is not an insult. it's a college mascot. >> i love it. i thought you were complicating her glasses. you have an aid to donald trump barred frd the doj building because she's in there tliing to solicit and force people to give information that will help the loony case. he's trying to build. to prove there's something fraudulent going on. i don't understand why anyone is still going along and helping him doing this? i do wonder if long term for the people who are probably going to get jobs in anderson coopacadem world. what happens to people after they sully themselves in this way. >> we're trying to figure it out. the only person thus far

unscathed is trump. he's the one teflon. everyone else is leaves in shame, reputation in shambles. they have gone to prison, are going to prison or trying to stay out of prison. i hope american universities do not do what with sean spicer. give them a money to push rhetoric. i really do the academy stands up against this regime. i don't know where these people go. i'm sure they can make money in sectors. trump will spend a year or two trying to stay out of prison. and probably throw lots of his former colleagues under the bus. if he has to. that's what he has always done. i have been in new york for a long time. donald trump has always been a liar, cheater and thief.

why people still continue to work with him? i have never understood that. this is his m.o. this is what he's always done as a businessman in new york and new jersey and sadly he's been doing it as the president of the united states. >> and you have the daughter, ivanka trump now being questioned about whether the inaugural fund was a way to funnel money into the organization. trying to defend herself on that. you have this messiness. i want to get back to donald trump. he will go on saturday -- you'll be hosting on my old hour. i don't know if it's the at the same time. he's going to georgia. what is he going to say? he prerepeats the 46 minute vid and says that stuff. nothing about loeffler and perdue. >> if you have been prepandemic to a wedding. where somebody takes the microphone and talks nothing

about the bride and groom. just themselves and traffic and their marriage for 45 minutes. that's what this will be. he won't do an actual campaign event. he'll scream and yell. it will be the airing of grievances of all the people who haven't treated him properly. and he'll mispronounce loeffler's name. compare perdue to chicken and walk off the stage. people don't understand how insignificant he will be. damned if you do damned if you don't. if he doesn't show the republicans in the red part of the state say they're not loyal enough. he's no longer helpful. the data is out there. his rallies don't help. i want to say this quick about the guy in florida talking about illegal voting and everything. at some point, some of the lawyers have to be challenged. some of the lawyers need to be disbarred. some need to be suspended and the only bar they can be a part

of is patty's pub. in real bar should allow the them anymore. if they want to stop frivolous lawsuits forward they need to investigate people and remove legal licenses. >> that is a good question. we are out of time. one more thing. there's another barr. william barr. who i wonder why if he shouldn't have the same sanctions facing him. based on the things he's done. >> do you have confidence in bill barr? >> ask me that in a number of weeks from now. they should be looking at all this fraud. this is not civil this is criminal. criminal stuff. >> you know william barr. if in fact he get ts fired by donald trump, what becomes of him? he's torched his reputation.

i can't imagine what becomes of him after this is over. >> i don't think there's much he can do to save the reputation among those of us in the department of justice. the fact he said the other day the earth is round and the sunrises in the east essentially there was no evidence of criminal election fraud. doesn't get him any points in my book. he's gone way too far and lied too often. he lied about the contents of the mueller report. under mined in the confidence of the department of justice. when he intervened on the behalf of the president for flynn and stone. there's nothing he can do at this point to save his legacy. >> yeah. there is no laundering that reputation. thank you all. be sure to check out the latest episode of his pod cast the oath. he talks with robert mueller. and hosting a.m. joy this

weekend. remember this michigan woman? who made wild claims about mysterious food vans allegedly stuffed with phony ballots? >> i never saw anything being brought out of the van. but the vans were not big enough to be carrying enough food for two third of the workers. >> a judge found her claims not credible. despite that she's back. as trump star witness in a michigan lawsuit hearing. and rudy found it embarrassing. >> how about the turn out rate. 120%? >> we're not seeing a poll off by 30,000 votes. >> do something crazy to it? >> i'm just saying the numbers are not off by 30,000 votes. >> i know what i saw. and i signed something saying that if i'm wrong, i can go to prison. did you?

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i can describe with great detail the odd and very ugly color of purple gray you turn when your pbody is suffocating. for me, where i can't understand the numbers, i can understand the humans. behind those numbers. >> that is the reality of the pandemic. for brandy, a nurse in indiana. a reality which trump remains detached. creating an alternate reality having a real and dangerous impact on americans. this is the reality of covid. the u.s. is now surpassed 14

million cases. after more than 200,000 new cases were reported in a single day. 2777 americans died from the virus in a single day. right now an american is dying from covid every 30 seconds. meaning by the end of the show we'll lose another 120 americans to the virus. donald trump hasn't said a word. not about any of the lost souls. not a word of encouragement for the 100,000 hospitalized nationally. or the exhausted healthcare workers risking their lives caring for them. instead, yesterday trump put out a 46 minute commercial. he made inside the white house. about election conspiracy fantasy. today, he crammed a bunch of people into the oval office to get out the medal of freedom to a football coach. one of his biggest fans. his leadership is non-existent. it was called out on the

international stage at the covid summit. >> in some situations, there was an a rejection and when countries go in their own direction, the virus goes in every direction. >> trump has been silent on britain. under his brexit friend, which green lighting pfizer's vaccine candidate. it's frankly embarrassing. former president obama, bush and clinton all volunteered today to publicly take one of the vaccines. today president-elect joe biden stated the obvious. >> it matters what a president and vice president do. so i think that my three predecessors set the model. as to what should be done. >> meanwhile california imposed restrictions nearing icu

capacity. trump continues to hold holiday gathering inside. sec as well as secretary of state. dr. fauci met virtually with the transition team today. and addressing the lack of leadership we're stuck with for 48 days. >> this is real. this is not fake. this is not hoax. this is real. the thing that's so frustrating is that we can do something to about that to blunt it. and when you see on tv or in the newspaper people gathering inside, in congregate settings without masks. you have to say to yourself what is going on here? what are they not seeing? it doesn't matter where you are, who you are, what your position is. that is a very risky situation. no doubt about it. >> president-elect biden asked dr. fauci to stay on and be

chief medical officer. good news. joining me now dean of the brown university of public health. congressman of california. thank you both. i want to play president obama doing the pledge to take the virus live on tv. to show its safety. >> if dr. fauci tells me this is safe, and can vaccinate immunize you from getting covi. i'm going to take it. i may end uptaking it on tv. or having it filmed. just so people know that -- i trust this science. >> that is only newsworthy because we don't have a president right now. all over the world you're seeing people considered out there, are

trying to show leadership and behave like leader. and our country 46 minutes not a word about the virus. a bunch of crazy fantasy. i don't know. is this what is will take? do we have to rely on former presidents and future president to do the work? >> thanks for having me on. yeah. at this point it is not a reasonable to expect. it's reasonable to expect. but we shouldn't expect a lot from the white house. there's been radio silence. and particularly at this point when we are at the worst of the pandemic. with the number of people getting infect and hospitalized and dying to have no guidance from the federal government. it's mind boggling. we have to see leadership from states and our president-elect. and leadership from former presidents. and that's what it will take. i'd much rather have the federal government be involved. that's not a possibility.

>> it's frustrating, everybody is tired. people are stick of staying home. and being locked down and not seeing family and friends. we all get it. when you have in your own state the governor eating at fancy restaurant. mayor of san francisco the next night eating at the very expensive restaurant they both went to. french laundry. when you have the austin mayor telling people to stay home and turns up the video was made in mexico. even the good politicians are messing up. i don't know what to do at this point. the good guys are messing up. >> it's never too late to just do what's right. and i'll say that if you department believe in wearing masks a couple weeks ago and adopted now, great. if you mixed families a couple weeks ago and recognize not to do that now. great. it's never too late.

and right now we just need to get to the other side. in congress, what's so frustrating is we have a bipartisan deal now that gets to the other side. a vaccinated country. by april. this deal would run to april and help small businesses and schools and child care cost. let's do the right thing. i get a text every day from a restaurant owner frustrated by what you described. and asks me and owns a restaurant for 40 years. have you passed anything yet? he believes this is a place we show up and help people. we had republicans today pass a motion to adjourn. what does that mean? i quit. i wanted to quit. the virus hasn't quit. the hunger hasn't quit. the bread line and food lines haven't quit. the unemployment lines haven't quit. we can't quit. we have to get this deal passed. it's never too late to do what's right and get us to vaccination

day. >> that would be nice. if you can somehow place a call and get mcconnell to give a damn. we'd appreciate it. it doesn't matter in the house. he doesn't care. >> lindsey graham and cornen and earnst have come forward. >> i'll believe it when i see it. i hope you're right. my husband's family is in england. there's not like a huge difference between americans and british people they're sick of a lock down too. they will get a vaccinate next week. they have a plan that is national. they have a national plan to roll the vaccine out. they are going to be way better off. italy had it as bad of new york. they're getting it under control.

we're the only ones who can't do it this. there's nothing wrong with us as americans. why can't we do what britain is doing? >> we are seeing some leadership from states. there are states trying to do good things and i think that's helpful. the problem is, our country in order to manage crisis needs both effective federal government and state heerd ship. so state leaders and governors for instance gretchen whitmer is amazing. and leading. i'm not listing thm all. people are doing good work. they are limited in how much they can do without federal government involvement. there's a bipartisan bill. it will have a lot in terms of helpful stuff for covid. we have to get it out there to the american people. and the key point that people need to understand is this is not forever. the next couple months will be hard. and then life will start getting

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today, mitch mcconnell wrote an editorial touting civil rights record. yes. that mitch mcconnell. he was responding to a piece from a voter asking what happened to the moderate he originally voted for. the one who attended the march on washington as a young man and publicly disagreed with reagan about sanctioning south africa over apartheid. but once president obama was elected he watched that mcconnell fought obama on every single issue. the writer cited mcconnell saying that the single most important thing we want to achieve is for president obama to be a one term president. in his rebuke. in his defense mcconnell notes that he voted for trump's criminal justice reform bill and one of the former staffers made history as kentucky's first african-american attorney

general. daniel cameron. the attorney general accused of lying about the breonna taylor case but a grand juror. reform? that passed after mcconnell refused to bring it up during the obama administration. we could go on and on. in 2018 he said blocking a supreme court nomination was his biggest accomplishment. it wasn't anything on civil rights or help the american people. it was obstructing the first black president of the united states who he pretended was a dem president with no right to add members to the federal bench. here is he laughing about how he blocked the judicial nominee. >> i was shocked that the former president obama left so many vacancies and didn't try to fill the positions. >> i'll tell you why. i was in charge of what he did the last two years of the administration. ha ha ha. >> i will give you full credit.

>> take a bow. >> mcconnell is so determined to stamp out progress in america, he calls himself the grim reaper. when it comes to passing bills that help ordinary people. like expanding healthcare or voting rights act bill named by actual civil rights hero john lewis. >> let me tell you this, if i'm sill in the majority lead of the senate, think of me as the grim reaper. none of that stuff is going to pass. >> ha ha ha. and the bill the man a kentucky first named moscow mitch. has brought to the floor have been much weaker verses of house bills especially the police reform legislation. the senate pushed in reaction to a comprehensive house bill following the murder of george floyd this summer. we'll have more of that after the break.

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in the opening of the new book. he writes to mcklain. a 23 year-old black man who died last year in ko police custody. quote. we are about to see if it is true that we are one to see if your death and those of ahmaud arbery, george floyd, breonna taylor. sandra bland and untold others are viewed as worthy of the moral revulsion and from there the change of practice and belief. that would prove a real reckoning is taking place. congress hasn't passed police reform. not because the house hasn't tried. reforms have met untimely deaths in grim reapers mcconnell's senate. the author of the long time

coming. reckoning with race in america. it is good to see you. we'll talk about the book. i want to ask you what you make of this attempt by mcconnell to rebrand himself in part by touting plus reform. having signed a bill. he blocked the one during president obama tenure. and the house had passed a much more con rehencive one with choke hold bans and no knock warrants and getting rid of qualified immunity. a weaker version was pushed in senate. do you think there's a way that mcconnell can launder his reputation based on that? >> no. it's utterly ridiculous. first of all this is revision history before our eyes. usually people wait a couple years to try to tell the story again. of what they did and didn't do. yet mcconnell is caught in the very vice grip of a revisionist that says we'll paint everything

like we did it great back then like now. he wasn't as great back then and isn't as great as he thinks he is now. to stand in the way of the making sure that a piece of legislation passes after one of the most rankerous and horrible summers we have endured in the long trek to transformation of race in the country suggests mcconnell is tone deaf but he is color blind in the worst sense of the fashion. in the worst sense of the word. he refuses to acknowledge the persistence of the color in the culture. that black continues to be a thing that generates such deep and profound opposition. that a policeman can put his knee on the neck of a black man laying on the pavement and asphyxiate him before our eyes.

unwitting and a conscious accomplice. to portray him as martin luther mcconnell is a problem. >> your new book you talk about reckoning with race in america. i think about mitch mcconnell centrality in the story of races in the last ten years. blanket opposition in fill bustering. the good old fashion southern technique. from alabama. using it against president obama. you can't put anybody on the federal court. you don't have the right. you're not a real president. and tout his deputy becoming general attorney of kentucky. and lie and let white offices off for killing breonna taylor. mcconnell is just as center to

the -- of black life. as trump. >> there is no question about that. that on the one hand -- i talk about fast terror and slow terror. when bombs drop and lynch black people. slow terror is kicking kids out of school. denying opportunity to be fed both mentally and physically. mitch mcconnell in this sense if trump is the fast terrorists and a racist. mcconnell is taking a slower train towards racial revulsion. he is enacting the worst rack 'tises we have seen in the history of the nation. in regard to senator blocking the coming to fruition of legislation that could relieve the hurt and suffering of black people. and to proudly stand up and say he wanted to make obama a one term president. this shows us that the real religion in america is whiteness. the politics in mcconnell's orbit are whiteness.

the worship of whiteness at the alter of whiteness. before the good of whiteness. donald trump is a the product of a womb that has generated this disfigured first person in terms of politics. mcconnell is part of the womb. he gives life and breath to the very denunciation of blackness that trump has been denounced for. and puts forward a black face representation in daniel cameron. the ventriloquism going on. his mouth is moving. mcconnell's thoughts coming through his tongue. pulling those strings is one of the worst white spremists we have seen in the last 15 years in american politics. >> you write about reckoning with race. talk about how we do that when somebody like this guy can start off at the march on washington at 20 years old and get all the

way here. right? all the way to the place where he's denying a black president humanity. and rite to audiotape the office. if he can fall that far, this guy was against -- he was for having africa. that's an actual true thing. >> right. >> for him to have devolved into whatever this is mitch mcconnell is now, blocking the john lewis bill on voting rights from getting to the floor, blocking people from getting rent relief, people are hungry, people are standing in food lines. people are suffering, and he doesn't give a damn. if people can devolve that much, i don't know how we reckon with race in america. do you have an answer for that in this book? >> well, this is what is true. first of all, he was mistakenly there. he happened to be there. he was accidentally there. he did not deliberately go to attend the march. he even admitted that he couldn't hear the words, martin luther king jr., uttered that day and this many years later he still cannot hear the resounding

echo of an edifying sonic appeal from a majestic trumpet of conscience like martin luther king jr. he still is tone deaf, still incapable of listening to calls and cries of black people who say what will be done in the senate to at least acknowledge the centrality of race and the degree to which black people continue to be punished by legislation and practices on the street. so mitch mcconnell ain't never been there for real to begin with, and even now, yes, how we reckon with it because black folks know this ain't the first time we done seen this. we have seen this from get-go. we have seen this from the very beginning. white people who pretend to be our friends and then stab us in the back. and what we understand is that mitch mcconnell is showing us that diversity by itself without equity, without justice, means nothing. think about it. the police people who killed george floyd, two white men, a black man, an asian man, that's diversity, but diversity toward

an unjust goal. that's diversity but without equity being embraced. so mitch mcconnell is articulating the noble ideals and words but he is falling short on their followthrough. black people always been dealing with this from the very beginning. this ain't the first time. >> yeah. >> god who will overcome, we believe in people who transcend barriers and we know that -- >> yeah. >> -- black people will survive. >> the book is longtime coming, "reckoning with race in america." another must-read book from michael eric dyson. my friend, thank you very much. really appreciate you being here tonight. and up next, my people are on the show tonight, my people. tiffany cross, jonathan capehart, they will be here with a big announcement. do not go anywhere. tions. like an "unjection™". xeljanz. the first and only pill of its kind that treats moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, psoriatic arthritis, or moderate to severe ulcerative colitis

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>> good sunday morning, and welcome to "a.m. joy." i'm jonathan capehart. we begin this morning with breaking news. >> breaking news, indeed. today i am overjoyed to announce my dear friends who will be taking over my old "a.m. joy" time slot with their own show starting next week. joining me now, saturday's new stars, host tiffany cross, and sunday's new star, jonathan capehart. i'm so excited for you guys. i'm so proud of you guys. i'm so excited. i'm just going to let you talk. ladies first. tiffa tiffany, tell us everything about your new show. >> i just want to say the show is going to be awesome. please tune in. we have a lot of exciting segments. i don't want to spend time talking about that. i want to say, joy, i would not be here without you. you're an example of why diversity matters on and off the screen. you don't walk through the door and shut is. you walk through the door and hold it open for others. you grabbed my hand, took me with you.

throughout this process i dealt with women who look like me. our new boss is a historic hire, a man of color. this is why diversity matters. i want to thank you for everything you do not just for me and jonathan but for all of us. and to my show, tune in, i promise you, it's going to be a full two hours of dopness every saturday. >> okay. don't make -- you're not allowed to make me cry on tv. i do not cry. i try not to cry. i really do. jonathan capehart, jonathan capehart, your turn, tell us about your show. we want to hear all about what it's going it be like to be lik sundays. >> my show is on sunday. i'm very much looking forward to playing in the so-called sunday show space, and, you know, bringing to the viewers of 10:00 a.m. to noon the "a.m. joy" viewers the kind of show that they've come to expect. and that is a show that is about the news. our viewers know what the news is, but what they want to know is -- >> right. >> -- what does it mean? put it into context and help me understand how it fits into the larger story. so that's what i'm going to be doing on sunday.

>> absolutely. you know, tiffany, you wrote a fantastic book, "say it louder" and talk a little bit -- i want each of you to talk about what it means to have our voices in, as jonathan just said, that sunday show space, that weekend space. >> right. >> the news space in general. what does it mean? >> it means so much because i think at this moment in time, we're at a historic moment where black women have ascended to the highest most senior levels of government, and so it's not enough just to have a black face on air but to have an authentic black voice as well who can have these conversations and, again, bring other people the rising majority of this country -- >> yes. >> -- a jmajority of kid in thi country under 18 are not white. they're native americans, alaskan natives, hispanics, latinos. >> yes. >> we want to center the new american electorate. i'm looking forward to it.

>> jonathan, shuunday shows hav been unfortunately very white and that's now changing big-time. >> yes, and, well, just by my sitting in the chair it's going to change that big-time. >> yes. >> we're also -- we're also going to do it in a way by bringing people to the table who haven't been to the sunday show table before. >> yes. yes. i'm so excited. tiffany cross, jonathan capeh t capehart, two of the best, brightest, most wonderful people and amazing people just as humans. thank you. once again, tiffany's new show premieres saturday december 12th. jonathan's new show premieres sunday the 13th. both are at 10:00 a.m. eastern. you do not want to miss it. get your ticket. get your mimosa, get your coffee ready, and tune in. that's tonight's "reidout" and "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> i know what i saw and i signed something saying if i'm wrong, i can go to prison. did you? >> the donald j. trump election fraud