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enough. what we're remain as the pandemic rages on with the darkest winter in american history on the horizon. america's other virus. trumpism. deeply in the president's cult at the government level. they happily picked up his war against science and lack of respect for life itself. leading the charge is florida cover desantis. who ran for office showing off his toddler in a trump clothes and awful handling of the pandemic. he reaffirmed his commitment to do nothing for the coronavirus. >> no lock downs. no fines. no school closures. no one is losing their job because of the government dictate. nobody is losing their

livelihood of the business. that's off the table. >> have you considered -- >> i'm opposed to mandates period. they don't work. people in florida wear them. they don't have to be strung up by a bayonet to do it. >> he called critics of the school policy flat earth. florida surpassed 1 million cases of covid. his pattern of secrecy and spin into an investigation about misleading about the pandemic. sur pressed unfavorable facts. dispensed dangerous information and dismissed public health professionals and promoted the views of scientific dissenters. south dakota governor spent

ments screaming freedom as cases explode there. >> my people are happy. because they are free. the governor in nebraska, iowa and i have been making decisions to protect our people and let them use personal responsibility to protect their way of life. >> she mentioned iowa republican governor. the atlantic describes hr state of example of what happens when government does nothing. to visit iowa is to travel back in time. to the early days of the coronavirus pandemic. in places such as new york city. and seattle. these republican governors telling citizens to dance in the pea tree dish of covid to the emergency room and the morgue. isn't just leading to needless death. it will have a major impact on how the country as a whole recovers from the devastating crisis. the trump administration is leaving it up to governors to

decide who gets the vaccine and when. a test of federalism. and if states executive ability to act as warp speed as the deaths pile up. and struggling businesses face desperate circumstances. joining me now a former new jersey governor. and democratic pollster. and doctor internal medicine physician. thank you for being here. governor, i'll start with you. i understand where she sees it as good politics to let people live life and party hard into the pandemic. if you die, you die. go ahead and have fun now. it's short term fun for long term pain. governor, i want to show you the opposite of that. the hard way to do it is the way the governor of new york has done it. saying no you can't party hard into the pandemic. you have to actually make sacrifices. here's the reaction in staten island. at one bar.

that declared itself an autonomous zone from state compliance. >> we don't have sound over it. this is max public house. they went against the covid restrictions. and shut down. the owner was arrested. you can see the size of the protest. and people without masks screaming open the bar. open up new york. demanding that the restrictions end. that's the unpopular route. new york is actually seeing the benefit of doing the unpopular thing and seeing the death rate go down. if you were in charge of the state of new jersey and things like that were happening, how you balance that out? people want businesses open and worked hard to build this bar. they want it to be open. letting people do what they want leads to people being dead. >> absolutely. the tragedy is if the president

had taken this virus seriously at the beginning and laid out the bisices that need to happen in order to get it under control or try to flatten the curve, we would be far ahead of now. he didn't. and it makes it extraordinary difficult for governors like cuomo. to shut things down. because you have the president saying don't to it. and the other republican governors, they're not all republicans governors are doing it. maryland is very strong on trying to protect people. it's mindless. you can have your freedom and run around without a mask. you risk not only getting yourself sick but getting others sick. it's a kind of -- lack of acknowledgment that you have a responsibility to others. that's what is so sad about this. looking forward to when joe biden takes the oath of office and will ask us to wear masks for 100 days. not forever. there are people who won't do it. it needs to be enforced.

>> governor, when you run for governor of a state, you have a duty to your constituents to keep them alive. does that duty out weighed by the desire to keep them happy? which is the bigger duty? >> to keep them alive. there's no question ab it. the other half is if you take the actions early enough on and if we had had a consistent message from the white house, we could have kept businesses open. we didn't have to go through bha we're going through now. perhaps the worst thing is a small business is open only to be told to close again. when they stock up and get things in. expecting to be able to sell. and they have to close down again. it's put us in a difficult position. people are neither enjoying themselves because they are losing their jobs and homes and scared about the future. nor staying healthy. it's the worst of both worlds.

>> yeah. as a former floridaen i'm horrified and scared for all of you and my friend who live in the state. you have the worst of both worlds. there's a culture that's developed in the republican party around standing up and this macho thing. we don't wear masks or lock down. with show up at the bar and own the libs. young republicans stage a secret gala to celebrate. to macho against the coronavirus and end up in the emergency room and demand to be the first on a ventilators. writing a letter to desantis november 18. this isn't working. it's clear that florida is approach to mnging this pandemic is failing horribly. your approach is neither saving lives nor livelihoods.

desantis rather than worry about people staying a live is telling trump fight on. against the election. to try and urging him to keep fighting. like he doesn't care people live or die as long as disney world is open. i don't get it. how is florida reacting to this governor's attitude towards them? >> well. the same floridaens are horrified. the mind reels at seeing this behavior. i wish it were limited to florida. if it was just a florida problem we can go to the other states. this is a party that over the last four years proved to be openly hostile to american democracy. but they are now openly hostile to american life. if this were a relationship for example. a relationship with a republican party, the judge would issue a restraining order and the police would file charges for attempted

murder. if not manslaughter. we're seeing people pay the price with their lives. one has to ask themselves what sort of precedent are we creating with this no common good, no mask policy. can people all of a sudden walk into restaurants in florida and decide they'll start smoking despite regulations that say you can't smoke in public restaurants because personal freedom. what message is this communicating to florida who bare the brunt. but around the world. it's horrifying. i remember saying on your former show a.m. joy when talking about this, it sounded hyper bollic. i said the republican party is akin to a domestic terror organization. and how the conduct of policy impact lives. there are people paying for lives now. how is this not the actions of a group that is hostile to

american life? it's horrifying. nor 47 days i'm not sure what the solution is. except stay alive. >> literally it's as if republican governors are conducting in realtime what scott atlas was just talking about. they are kulkting an experiment to see if they can develop herd immunity in their state. the most important thing is people's bars and restaurants get to be open. all the kids must go to school. not can. but must. and also parents must be able to go and eat inside in a restaurant. you are piling up the threat level. when you lurk on conservative twitter. they say sweden did it. sweden didn't have lock down. they don't have mask order. and they got away with it. sweden is in the middle of a covid crisis. they are having a catastrophic

crisis. because of that. we have seen it open the state, open the country thing happen in realtime. it's a disaster. how do yo talk people out of it when they believe in their head if you let everyone get sick, everyone will be okay. >> good evening. this is why data matters. this is why information matter. and speaking clearly and honestly matters. our leaders really need to take on the role of being leader. it's kind of like when you're a parent if you want to be the fun parent and let your kid eat candy and donuts all day. they will think you're the best friend. a parents job is not to be a childs best friend. if you want to actually have your child thrive and survive and do well, you want to be disciplined. these leaders particularly the governors desantis and noem. are not following evidence based guidelines, recommendations that

will keep people safe. we have more than enough data to show that this simple little mask can actually save lives. we have data showing states that mandate masks have far fewer cases. i have been living in new york since the start of the pandemic. i was here during the hellish period in march and april. when we had 1,000 poem dying in one 24 hour period. governor cuomo made the very difficult decision to shut down. in new york city, state. where there's broad way and restaurants, museums. yankees stadium. so much. shut down. people lost their jobs. it was very difficult. you know what, it happened because it was the one thing to do in order to save lives. when you're in the middle of an infectious disease out break. we have decades, centuries of data showing lock down is what saves lives.

we're thankfully now opening up. he followed public health measures. that's what needs to happen. >> i can see ron desantis and noem running as a ticket in 2024 on this. the public is teaching republican leader it's okay to sit on 250,000 bodies and people don't care. or don't believe the bodies are real. i worry this is becoming the new politics of the republican party. >> this is the most horrifying thing. if there were no constituent si for the madness. we would at least be able to trust in the fellow americans. i'm afraid. deathly afraid the weaponization of the policies and become politically triable issues might mean they have support. i think unfortunately desantis on the ballot this past november in florida. despite the fact he's over seeing this response with tense

of thousands have caught the virus unnecessarily and perished. he would have won reelection. we get the government we deserve. this is a public problem as much as government problem. >> it's terrifying. stay safe. thank you very much. the two parties bring out their biggest stars to sway georgia voters. with the run off election now a month away. >> the promise of the biden presidency and the harris vice president. rests in part on their ability to have a cooperative posture with congress. and to do that, we have to have the two gentlemen running for senate in georgia. >> one of the two gentlemen. jon ossoff joins me next. where's the out rage? 3,000 deaths a day. nearly 9 million more people out

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as the coronavirus continues its surge throughout the country di strois lives and the economy, senate republicans are whistling past the graveyard. senators loeffler and perdue let by mcconnell the pied piper of too many spent more time stuffing their pockets in the court than they have aprooifing aid for the american people. on january 5 the people of georgia get to decide if they want more of that. democrats jon ossoff and reverend warnock will face off against the senators in a extraordinary run off who will decide the power of the senate. president obama joined the

candidates. >> if the senate is controlled by republicans who are interested in obstruction and gridlock rather than progress and helping people, they can block just about anything. the senate really matters. the promise of the biden presidency and harris vice president rests in part on their ability to have a cooperative posture with congress. and to do that, we have to have the two gentlemen running for senate in georgia. >> he ought to know. meanwhile soon to be former vice president pence was trying to convince republicans to go the extra mile for loeffler and perdue. president-elect joe biden told reporters he will travel to georgia. for more i'm joined by news correspondent in atlanta. what's the latest?

>> we look athoed the visit tomorrow, republicans are in a very unusual and very rare position of not knowing whether this visit will be helpful or hurtful into this all important senate run off in january. remember president trump for the better part of tw weeks has launched repeated attacks at the validity of the georgia election. and personal attacks at the republican governor here in georgia. kemp. and the republican secretary of state. when i have spoken with republicans they say of course president trump does have a will the of pull in the state, but what republicans are hoping to hear from the president is more about a senator loeffler and perdue. and less about the air of grievances. right now, republicans are in a very interesting position. where they are trying to focus all of the energy and their movement on getting out the vote for the two candidates. but also saddled with the additional burden of trying to

walk the line around the president false claims around the election and concerned those could disswayed the voters to turn out. they are saying come out and vote. they are reassuring people your vote will count. what we saw from vice president pence today was both of that. he did repeat the president's unfounded claims of voter fraud. but despite doubts about the election. if we don't vote they will win. on the democratic side i have spoken with a source who sums it up. saying all of this infighting and issue between republicans is quote nothing but helpful as they go forward and get ready for the run offs in january. >> wow. thank you for that. too bad every day is fest vus. according to atlanta journal of constitution senator perdue has tried to pull off a balancing act. by avoiding questions. ducking the sole debate of the

run off. it's no surprise he appeared on fox news. >> president trump is frustrated. we'll do everything we can to make sure that whatever ano, ma'am anomalies in november don't occur in january. with know what's at stake. this is the last line of defense against the radical liberal agenda. that once they do this we won't get it back. >> yes. joining me now democratic senate candidate jon ossoff. thank you so much for being here. whatever anomaly is the thing i noted in the interview. apparently, mr. perdue has sort of acknowledged the election is over. he spoke with the republican jewish coalition and acknowledged that joe biden will be president. he doesn't really think there are anomalies.

he's just saying. the trump campaign filed yet another lawsuit to try to over turn the results in georgia. how is all of this madness and refusal to admit reality on the republican side. is that impacting your campaign? >> it's mind blowing. folks are losing their jobs. families can't make the house payment the car payment. we have 3,000 americans dying in a single day. and my opponents principle concern is how to avoid getting tweeted on by donald trump. talking out of both sides of his mouth. behind closed doors blaming trump for republican under performance and public acting like trump actually won. they are so out of touch with the daily suffering of working people in this state. he should be in washington right now passing covid relief. >> yeah. on that very point, a couple of

things. number one, yes. on the covid relief. a slight pin in that. you're running against a man who made 3,000 stock trades. in just one term. he was already rich. he seems to be spending a lot of time not pretending the election wasn't over making money as a senator. i wonder how direct you're going at that in your case against him. you have georgiaens who can't pay rent this month. who will run out of relief. it's expiring left and right. and he hasn't done anything. how much are you playing up he's making a lot of money being a senator. >> david perdue is like the cartoon version o of a corrupt oligarch. profiting from tragedy. opposing help for ordinary people. he lives on a private island. hadn't held a single town hall meeting in six years. openly sells meetings to

lobbyists for corporate pack checks. votes to throw people off healthcare. opposed stimulus checks. and steet treats the senate like e trade account. buying up shares before the committee he controls sends taxpayer dollars to it and cash out at profit. buying stock and manufacturers of the vaccines and medical equipment while he's dumping casino shares getting classified briefings on covid and telling us it's no deadlier than the flu. all the while opposing help for regular people. he has got to go. and how directly are we taking it on? absolutely directly. the people of georgia need to know he is a crook. we're making sure they know it. >> yet, the message in georgia would be to say if you want

relief, if you want a relief bill to pass the united states senate that will be robust and give you real benefit, you have to vote for the democrats. but the people who picked that up would be loeffler and perdue they are actually running ads saying the only way the economy will be good and have a job is if you vote for perdue and loeffler. have they picked up that message in a stronger manner than you have? >> no. perdue and loeffler are just running garden variety fear amongering ads. cooked up in washington. all the normal stuff in a senator race. the message is clear. mitch mcconnell will try to do to joe and kamala like he tried to do to president obama. gridlock and obstruction and government shut down. and paralysis during a crisis. if we are going to get resources to hospitals and nursing homes

and doctors, if we're getting direct financial relief to people who need it right now, who needed it four monts ago. if we'll invest in a long term economy. with jobs we need. we have to win the races. there's a big picture here. if we're going pass a new civil rights act. and criminal justice reform. and solve the environmental crisis. and make sure every american has health insurance they need. we have to win the races. we're mot pretending the stakes are not high. and the stakes for the people of georgia are high. the stakes for the nation are high. we are speaking candidly about that. >> let's talk about the compromise. what we know so far. this $900 million bill. knot the 3 trillion democrats want. there's a few things that are light.

child care is $10 billion. broad band, kids can't afford to work from home and do school from home. a small amount to states. i notice in here that liability protection got in. mcconnell's must have. businesses, meat packing companies and make workers come back to work during covid-19. risk their lives and they can't be sued. if you were in the senate right now would you support this? >> if i were in the senate i would support a package that delivers immediate direct stimulus checks to the american people. immediate small business relief. immediate funding for local school districts and state and local government. who are seeing collapsing tax revenue. and having a really tough time dapting to the environment. and hospital systems and clinics across the country to augment the public health response.

i applaud the bipartisan spirit. there are people coming together and the truth of the matter in a crisis like this when they are already eight months late with help. speed as much as the details. we need direct relief to the people. we neepded it eight months ago. there's no excuse for holding it up any longer. >> jon ossoff, good luck in your race. yourself and mr. warnock. thank you. still ahead. how much more damage can trump do in the 47 days he has left? >> mary trump joins us with what her uncle is capable of. did you know diarrhea is often caused by bad bacteria in food? try pepto diarrhea. pepto® diarrhea is proven effective to treat symptoms,

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attorney rudy giuliani. to his family. people who haven't been charged with a crime. weighing on his mind. whether it would look like an admission of guilt. joining me now, mary trump. it's always good to talk with you. the pardons. i wonder how serious this is in terms of pardons or whether or not this is talk or whether or not trump is really worried that it will make the people look guilty. item, the senate committee, justice department. the united states senate sent to the justice department a sort of docket of potential suspicions that donald trump jr., jared kushner and others had preelection meetings with a russian lawyer and contra digited rick gates on the meetings. this is already happening.

this was senate intelligence committee. is that the source of concern? maybe jared and trump jr. can be indicted. >> yeah. i think he has every reason to be concerned and i think it's working on two different levels. there's also the benefit of the of using the pardons as a preemptive strike against the deep state witch hunt. that will come for him. so it's just a way to muddy the waters for his followers. but on the other hand of course he wouldn't be doing that if there weren't a there there. >> you know you have written in your first book you intimate the one child he may actually care what happens to is ivanka trump. she does face real potential jeopardy. on this inaugural fund and the

fact that they were overcharging and up charging the inauguration to use the trump hotel. you have her being deposed. suing the trump committee saying it was are the grossly over paying. you have a lot going on. you have tenants suing donald trump over a scheme that drove rent up. there's a lot there that she might touch. do you think she's somebody who may get a bpardon? or get followers excited. >> again, i think it operates on both levels. what i find interesting is that if he does pardon himself or adult children, then that i would think would prompt whoever the next ag is to look into why that might have been the case. it is a red flag.

on the other hand the pardons may serve the purpose of muddying the waters for followers and seem it's a deep state hoax out to get him. it doesn't help him at all with the potential state level charges that he's almost certainly going to be facing at least in new york. >> yeah. do you think your uncle is afraid of going to prison? and thinks he might? >> he certainly acting that way. he is so desperate right now. i think part of it is driven by the fact that he cannot accept this loss. psychologically it's impossible to come to terms with it. he's deeply paranoid and knows what he's done. it wouldn't sprurprise me at al and i hope that's the case

because he should be held accountable for something at least and if it's state charges that have to do be tax fraud and money laundering so be it. what he should be held accountable is because of his inaction, 3,000 americans are dying every day. and it's despicable. >> yeah. one every 30 second. your next book will examine america's national trama. in terms of the trama being inflicted that you mention, all of the death the thing i think that shocks and dismays me the most is how numb not only donald trump is to it, his whole party seems to be. that they don't seem to care. it doesn't bother them. they seem to revel in the fact they can let the people die and

there's no consequence. that i do not understand. do you? >> it's really hard to grasp. because they are just as at risk as everybody else. family -- in fact they might be more at risk because they're not taking recautions. republicans continue to gather maskless. no social distance, indoors. pompeo is having a party for 900 people inside. it's really difficult to understand -- if it were other people, that would make more sense. because i think they have a god complex or something. but maybe they just buy into the insanity that drives donald that wearing a mask makes you a lightweight somehow. being afraid of the virus that has killed 300,000 americans makes you weak.

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i'll tell you what, january 20th cannot come soon enough. unlike current occupant of the white house, president-elect joe biden is using his megaphone to implore the elected leaders to do their jobs and help the american people in dire time of need. >> folks out there aren't looking for handout, just need help, in trouble through no fault of their own. if congress and president trump fail to act by end of december,

12 million americans will lose unemployment benefits they rely on. merry christmas. put yourselves in that position, anybody listening, laying awake at night wondering what's going to happen tomorrow. if we don't act now, the future will be very bleak. american's need help and they need it now. >> joining me now, larry will more, comedian and host of the great show "willmore" on peacock. >> good to see you. >> thank you. we see 274,000 people dead and it traumatizes me, i admit. >> me too. >> if you're encased in right-wing media world and only get news there, lot of people don't believe it's real numbers. saying you're reporting flu and reporting it as covid but they're elderly and dying already. in their heads they don't

believe it. but 158.5 million people had jobs. in 2020, 8.8 million fewer people having jobs. actual raw fact. can't fake that. food lines, see people in line for food, in cars waiting for food banks, it's real, not fake. i wonder how you think people have become so numb to the crisis when the things you can't fake are in your face. >> trump put it best, herd mentality, the phrase he used. pell people get be -- it's like confirmation bias, joy, you form an opinion about something and all the evidence has to fit that opinion. somehow they have to twist and contort the evidence to form the opinion they already have. think about it, remember when obama was going obamacare, and

warning us of death camps to kill off grandma. now killing off grandma is patriotic act. best thing grandparent can do is offer her life. what are you talking about? >> absolutely bananas. speaking of herd mentality, the herd you actually need is when the vaccine comes out. then you need people to be a herd, all going to get the vaccine for greater good. if you can't get people to wear a mask, literally nothing, you are destroying my life if you make me put mask on, add legitimate concerns. i know a lot of black people go i'm not taking vaccine, don't trust trump, he had anything to do with it, no, no, no. are you concerned about a lot of african-americans and people on the right saying no to the vaccine? >> i am.

black people, even if they tonight know about tuskegee, they have acoshic memory of it. plus i don't think they're doing enough to make it palatable. operation warp speed, wasn't the black guy in the red shirt first to die in "star trek"? why are you calling it operation warp speed. >> always kill black person first in horror movie too. >> warp speed! >> we know every horror movie they kill black person first, we're not going to do it. >> then the white people come in, everything looks safe now. so you know -- but other thing is too, this is coming from a president who blamed black people for stealing the election. do you think we want to get vaccine from somebody who thinks we stole something from him? right there you're going to be a

little suspicious, you know. >> and geraldo rivera, answer is to call it the trump vaccine. then nobody black is going to get a vaccine. ka kanye but nobody else. >> except the rappers. >> not snoob dap dogg, he's dow. >> part of the plan is vaccine the rappers first. probably what the platinum plan is. i haven't read it all. >> apparently you could read it in this segment, it's a page long. let's talk about apparent deal happening? are you concerned? there's a debate that some progressives, bernie sanders and aoc sort of on the other side saying pass something small or no, demand something real, bigger. $3 trillion like they said, give

the $1,200 back. should democrats hold out or take what they can get? >> politics is the art of the possible. beyond that, people are hurting right now, can't play political games with it. people have lost jobs, family members, not working. you showed the people lined up in food banks. that's real. not time to hold out to get rid of the good for the perfect. there's a time for that. let's help people immediately in best way we can. but joy, doesn't have to end there. can keep the help coming. not like it has to be end-all, be-all perfect. let's help people now and keep helping them. it's a shame it's taken this long to get this done. should have been two months ain. >> long time ago. tonight on the show? >> last episode, we had series

for 11 weeks and had the great joy reid on, who was wonderful. kerry washington and sue bird looking forward and back. sue was involved with wnba protests and branding was fantastic and fantastic comedian from london, her show on cbs, "bob hearts ab shoal la." >> i love talking with you. thank you for being here. have a great weekend and show tonight. final episode of larry's limited series "wilmore" airs on peacock. don't miss it. want to end with a moment of joy. retired orchestra teacher wanted to thank his nurses and doctors for taking care of him.

he was intubated and couldn't speak, showed appreciation in a very different way, playing his violin. ♪ that's amazing. that's tonight's "the reid out." "all in" with chris hayes starts now. tonight on "all in". >> folks aren't looking for handout, need help. >> tanking economy, 3,000 americans dying a day thanks to president who treated election like one of his casinos. getting people to buy in and cash out. >> taj mahal is going to be a tremendous success. >> dire situation in states like iowa that just tried to