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system and sovereignty of particular states. they sl the right to run their states. it's none of texas business. >> all very clear. more than one big news item tonight. the break lg legal news. supreme court rejecting that republican lawsuit. that does it for us here. i'll be back monday night at 6:00 p.m. eastern. the "the reidout" starts now. breaking news tonight the supreme court has indeed rejected the last minute hail mary attempt to over turn the pshlt election from the attorney general of texas. court noted the state of texas motion is denied for lack of standing under article 3 of the constitution. texas hasn't demonstrated an interest in the manner in which another state conducts election. the decision puts an end to trumps most absurd attempt to
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stage a coup. it had the backing of many in the republican party. 126 house republicans, 20 more than yesterday. signed onto support the banana texas lawsuit. it came as trump let a little reality puncture his fantasy bubble today in a tweet. referencing the biden administration. again begging the court to negate millions of legal votes and allow him to remain in power. the list of house republicans supporting the farce reads like a laundry list of predictable trump sycophants. people who want to inherit the ride or die maga super-fans. it's terrifying. it includes the top two republicans in the u.s. house of representatives. minority leader and minority whip. it includes 19 representatives who are backing a lawsuit that seeks to disenfranchise voters in their own state.
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by their logic their elections might be invalid. senator cruz afwreeed to argue the case on behalf of the man who once accused his father of being behind the kennedy assassination and insulted his wife's appearance. the man trump humiliated as little marco. he fully sold his little bitty soul to the cult of trump. florida senator tweeted according to to the left and the partners in the legacy media the supreme court was of the appropriate place to legalize abortion. but no business taking up a presidential election. failed. texas asserts that this courts intervention is necessary to ensure faith in the election. it's hard to imagine with what
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could under mine faith and democracy more than this court permitting one state to enlist the court in its attempt to over turn the election results in other states. joining me now is wisconsin attorney general. along with former republican congress from florida. no longer associated with the party. and brand new host of the cross connection. which premiers tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. attorney general call, i want your reaction to the supreme court decision. >> thanks for having me. this decision is a victory for the democracy. and for the rule of law. this lawsuit was seeking to discard the votes of every voter who voted for president in wisconsin as well as three other states and instead to have politicians select the winners of the election. that's not how democracy works and today's suit makes clear just because you appoint three
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justices to the supreme court that doesn't mean they rule in your favor. they will rule based on legal principle. i was glad to see the swift rejection of the lawsuit. >> everyone predicted that that's exactly what would happen. just the fact that you had elected officials who themselves were elected in that same election where donald trump lost to joe biden, saying all of it should be invalided. which would invalidate their voters. >> it had no merit. we were certain it would come out the way it did. we don't normally do that in cases. this was so weak we were confident of the result. that might be the reason we saw so many republicans sign on. hopefully they would have had more hesitation to sign a brief that would have made democracy
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not apply to the election. it is a troubling sign. this is a red alarm moment for the democracy. we need to make sure we are strengthening democracy and reenforcing our elections are decided by the voters and not politicians. >> i'm not sure there's any evidence to go to this on david jolly, the republicans wouldn't have signed on if they thought there was a chance of this going through. if it wasn't that the attorney general in texas has legal problems that would love to have a pardon. that might have been the motivation. you had 126 house republicans sign onto it regardless of all of that. i want you to listen to chris murphy. he had a floor speech today. >> right now, the most serious attempt to over throw our democracy in the history of the country is under way. those who are pushing to make donald trump president for a second term no matter the out
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come of the election are engaged in a treachery against their nation. >> and there is at least one democrat, democratic house member. who is now calling -- of new jersey. which states anyone who is engaged in rebellion cannot serve in federal office. claiming the lawsuit seeks to obliterate confidence. he says house speak nancy pelosi should not seat those 126 republicans. do you agree? >> i understand what he's doing. i would say from an attorney standpoint the incoming house members have a legal defense to his argument. i think what he exposed which is absolutely true. the question is how do we fix this. we have incoming members of
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congress who allegiance is party above role as member of congress. when they take the oath january 3 -- >> what's the legal defense? this is an act of -- people voted for joe biden to the president of the united states. these members some of whom in the very states they are trying to be disenfranchised by another state. how is that not meeting the clause? i don't understand. what would be the defense? >> so, i'm speaking as a lawyer. not a moralist. if you will. i'll tell you the legal defense to the position would be. as non-lawyers sp petitioners in the case they get to say we believe there is sufficient evidence and question we would like a court to be independent. that's one standard. there's a different standard for attorneys who make the case. to make the analogy i would say the attorneys who made the courts should be disbarred. they know in legal terms that e are making frivolous arguments.
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my point is i don't think he can succeed in preventing people from being seated. what i think he exposed is we have incoming members of congress who have demonstrated before they even took the oath that they see their role as a partisan role. a loyalist role. a gop role. not a defender of the democracy and member of the lower house. that oath you take, you either recognize the sangty of it or you don't. i did. for whatever reason. whether it was moral fiber or just because. there were members that didn't. and members see their role as partisan. not defrsd of the democracy. and he's right to indict the members publicly in the moment. >> you know the hill very well. we have miles tai already. who tweeted today he got an e-mail from a staffer on the hill. staffers do talk. it said below it works for one of the 106.
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at the time. trying to over turn the election. never thought my work would include trying to destroy democracy. privately they all say trump lost. the publicly they are terrified on him. it's embarrassing. no staffer wants their name attached to this. he resigned from the homeland of department of security. you have right now the 16 electors in michigan need police escorts because this group that calls its stop the steal is threatening them and posted that they will protest the vote as they go to vote in the electoral college. we have violence threatened against people doing their job. as bureaucrats. what is it other than inserex- >> trying to stage a coup.
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this lawsuit and i'm not speaking as a lawyer. this lawsuit is fundamentally flawed asking for something that is both unavailable and unconstitutional. if i a non-lawyer can see that, you have to question the intelligence and the integrity of the someone like senator cruz who was so willing to align himself with the president and seems like this president is very dangerous of able to amass a cult like following for people willing to sacrifice their dignity. and integrity. their patriotism. just to align themselves with a president. the most painful thing about this is while the supreme court was looking into this issue, they were not looking into the issue of ber nard brandon. executed in the last minute despite people trying to save his life. this is what the president was spending his time on. despite the favorite celebrity
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people asking him for mercy. >> absolutely. that was ignored while they were doing this. you have the consequences are simply for the things republicans are doing. it doesn't seem that voters are paying attention in november. you have the revoking its endorsement of a representative. who participated in this. then you have the other sycophants. people taking action as a state level. nefarious and thuggish. desantis making excuses about over seeing a raid of a scientist who simply tried to tell the truth about covid. her place is raided. he's defending it. it's up and down the republican party that we have lost the tletd on anything that looks like democracy.
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>> the interest thing in this moment and if you look at the lawsuit you can look at other actions as well. we are seeing republicans right now untethered from donald trump. still in engaging in this behavior. what i mean is we have seen republicans normalize trumps behavior. and we know that. for the past three or four years. there's an assumption that when trump was done we would see the republicans begin to evolve and find their way to a post trump era. what we're seeing is republicans today untethered from trump as independently acting in this way. and my concern as somebody who made this personal journey but everybody else observed it, i'm i'm afraid of what happens if republicans regain control. this is a defining moment. we see who they are untethered from trump. and it concerns me. i have a fear of them returning
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to power. >> i will ask you this final question. is there any action the state that your state could take -- people are filing lawsuits left and right. 56 so far. maybe it's waste of money to spend taxpayer money to get retribution. is there any consequence that will happen to those elected officials who tried to steal the votes in your state? >> today's ruling made clear states can't sue other states to try to interfere with elections. that was a good thing. that was an argument we made. i think it's critical we take this opportunity to recognize how important it is that we protect our right to vote. i hope we will see legislation that reconstitutes voting rights act and strengthens it. a constitutional amendment providing for the right to vote.
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and federal legislation that ends gerrymander. >> that would be nice. i'm sure all of that is on the desk of one mcconnell. who won't move anything. including covid relief. thank you. we are excited about your show. tune in tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. for the premier of her brand new show the cross connection. right here on msnbc. trump demands credit for the vaccine the white house is making threats to the head of the fda. brand new book bag man. nixons vice president who resigned in disgrace. he was trump before trump. back with the "the reidout" after this. still fresh unstopables in-wash scent booster
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vaccine finish line. with the fda pushing to authorize the pfizer coronavirus vaccine as early as tonight. that means some healthcare workers and nursing home lez dents could get a dose monday. the authorization of the vaccine is expected to be followed by one from modern a. vaccines that may turn the tide for a nation grief stricken and gutted by covid-19. donald trump who spends most of his time tweeting and golfing. ignoring the virus when he's not spreading it. has been waging war on masks and threw a party the day 3,100 people died. he's now tweeting at fda chief without a hint of irony. he should stop playing games and start saving lives. really? the white house of course marched in step with the chief of staff reportedly ordering him to authorize the vaccine today. or submit his resignation. joining me now critical pulmonologist. this is exactly the thing that
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makes a lot of people that i know scared of the vaccine. the idea that somehow donald trump has had a hand in pushing it to come out earlier than its ready. did you want this make it all a will the harder for people like yourself to convince people they should get it? >> good evening. in a vacuum that's all we knew was the political side of this, yes. of course. luckily we have more data. luckily there's something we can hang our hat on as healthcare professionals and experpts. that this vaccine i cannot say it more clearly. i'm getting it next week. that this vaccine is broadly safe and broadly effective. and we're excited for that. we're excited for that for the american people. and start planning trips maybe in august and september of next year. if everything goes well.
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we're hopeful for the country. for families that are suffering now. and we're ignoring all the political side shows happening. that's number one. if i can say this. i will say there's so much attention being paid to the allergic reactions that have occurred in the uk. two healthcare workers may have suffered severe type reactions. for all the viewers, these individuals had prior allergic reaction history. severe history. these are very rare. these are not common types of reactions. the word gets used a lot. that means a severe aerer jim acosta reactio-- a rash and ther o we can manage reactions if they occur. it's really hard to manage severe covid-19 pneumonia.
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let's get on the same page and get the vaccine. >> one other thing i will throw in. this is dr. fauci talking about a person who developed a vaccine he is saying he'll take maybe publicly. talking about her. listen to this. >> the doctor, african-american scientist who is at the forefront of the development of the vaccine. so the first thing you might want to say to my african-american brothers and sisters is that the vaccine that you'll be taking was developed by an african-american woman. and that is justth fact. >> is that part of the messaging we need? it was a lot of black folk and brown folk. around the world developed it. nothing to do with trump. >> absolutely. we need influencers and local leaders that speak that are
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inspirations to various demographics. i'll put you on the spot. i know you're willing to do this. you have to roll up your sleeve. we'll need other influencers and icons to do the same thing. >> i don't know about the icon bit. if you tell me to do something i'll do it. whatever it is that you tell me to do. if i'm getting it publicly, i'll to it. thank you very much. i appreciate it. i pledge to do that. because you said so. joining me now former acting direct tort of cdc and i'll throw the same question to you. dr. fauci said what you heard. he's going take it and make sure everybody sees it. >> i will get the vaccine as soon as it's available to me. i have mentioned i have looked at the process, i have looked at
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the data. i'm convinced this is safe and effective. and i will get the vaccine as soon as it is made available to me. i very like lu i'm sure it will happen this way. i will do it publicly. to let the rest of the country know i'm confident about its safety and about its efficacy. >> we have heard president obama say that. it does feel like it will have to be a huge public relations message. that involves prominent people actually demonstrating they're getting the vaccine. so people won't be afraid. do you think it's important? >> i do. i pay really close attention to the expert committee hearing. i watched a couple hours of that. i know several of the people. they were asking tough questions. they weren't taking for granted the data. they look at the fda analysis and asked hard questions. then in the end they overwhelmingly voted to approve
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the vaccine. and i feel comfortable it's safe and effective. it's really important that it goes forward that they continue to study it and make sure that there aren't problems that you don't see when you are only vaccinating 60,000 people. something very rare. you need to wait until it's in millions of people. i think it is really important that prominent people get this vaccine and do so publicly. i think that the way this is really going to take off is a lot of people -- it's grass roots. a community organizing approach. someone will get the vaccine and will talk to friends and family and it will take off that way. this can be a lifesaver for communities. when you look at the people who have been hit the hardest by this, black americans approximate latino. gnatti native americans. that's where you see the
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distrust because of historic cal racism and mistreatment and experimentation. that will be hard to over come. it's important the trusted voices for every community stand up and get the questions answered and when they come to the conclusion they want to get vaccinated they share the information. so people can get protected. >> the last thing is that i am one of the people that worries a bit. the news of a vaccine makes people relax. this isn't happens for everybody next week. it's happening down the road in the spring and summer. shouldn't we be doubling down? talk to the people here about what we should be doing if the interim. >> this is the biggest fear. people are going to hear the exciting news about a vaccine and say it's over. we can finally we have a party. we can get together and don't need to do these things. it's the opposite. this vaccine it will help the people who get vaccinated. it's not changing what's going on in the community.
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it's not protecting people. we need to wear masks and social distance. and congress needs to stand up and do their job. they need it put money in people's pockets and protect people from eviction. and mortgage foreclosure. expand unemployment insurance. give people sick leave and medical leave. if they don't do that, we are going fo see this same kind of devastation and communities of color this winter that we have been seeing in the pandemic so far. it doesn't have to be. this is absolutely critical. i worry that just the joy of having this vaccine is going to lead people to step back a bit from those things that have it happen. >> amen. i hope people listen to you. don't slow down. don't relax. masks and wash hands, distance. still ahead, biden's pick for agriculture secretary is a
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killed by a white farmer in a dispute over a cow. that moment served as catalyst for the rest of her career. she went onto become the first black student to integrate her high school in rural southwest georgia. also a fierce advocate for black farmers in her state. in 2009 she was hired by the obama administration to serve as georgia director of rural development. the first black person to hold the position. under secretary of agriculture tom ville sack. lempb months later she was forced to resign from her post after being accused falsely of reverse racism. the web site doctored a video of her speech making it look like she admitted to deny services to a white farmer. the story was amplified by fox news. white house officials then president of the naacp and secretary ville sack called for her resignation. however, the unedited video later published proved she was actually advocating the
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opposite. he apologized. saying this a good woman. put through hell. and i could have and should have done a better job. she declined the offer of a new role. she told the "washington post" i don't see a time when i would be working for the government again. meanwhile. tom ville sack is the choice to return as secretary of agriculture. and joining me now is shirly sher odd. thank you for being here. i have so wanted to talk to you today to get your reaction the fact he is nominated to return as the head of the u.s. da what do you think? >> first of all, thanks for having me on. my position is that we certainly need someone who knows the lay out of and programs of the
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agency. he has been there. he didn't do all that he should have done during the fist time around. i feel that we should give him the opportunity to get it right this time. it should be no excuse, no excuse whatsoever. he doesn't have a learning curve. he knows the department. he knows what he has to do and i do think he has something to prove to us. >> has he ever personally apologized to you. one on one and spoke about what happened back then? >> yes, he did. in fact, about three days after that was in the news, he actually apologized. he called me and apologized and he went on the air to to do so. >> let's talk about what black farmers and need from the u.s. da. a historic disparity between the
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opportunity to get loans and cases. that involved farmers really being broke. and being broken because of drought and not able to get loans. white farmers buy up their land. you were one of the farmers that ended up in the settlement. what should they do differently regarding black farmers? >> we can go way back to the beginning. our people being able to access programs in the agency. there was always discrimination. we had lts of land and a lot of it was lost because of the discrimination. i think that ville sack and others really need to come up with special programs to assist black farmers with being able to gain and i shouldn't say it that
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way, i'm not exactly saying reparations. something has to be done because of what has been done to us. we need to be able to get the land back. and need to be able to access lens. and other programs through the agency. and be treated fairly. things would have been great if we were treated fairly. we never been treated fairly with that department. and i feel that vil sack and biden. he wouldn't be president-elect if it weren't for black people. it's time for them to show us that they hear us and they want to do better by us. in terms of the programs. >> when you say that, do you think that picking the guy who fired you unnecessarily after a right wing smear campaign is that quite frankly president-elect biden showing
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respect for black farmers for black women who elected him. they would like to win the two senate seats in georgia. do anyone from the biden administration reach out to you and say what do you think about your former boss getting his job back? >> no, i did not receive that call. i have talked to vil sack. you know, when i said -- when i told him. it was ten years ago. that i accept your apology. i meant that. i was ready to move on. i need to see they are ready to move on with us. >> yeah. to very quickly tell us about what you are working on now. i know you're doing projects ta are helpful to black farmers. >> yes. i have always worked to help provide markets for farmers and production practices.
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organize coop ratives. whatever i can do to help them increase their income on the farm. if you get the farmers involved in the projects you need facilities for example. using the school system. a they do want them cut, washed and bags and ready to go. and our farmers need access to those kinds of programs. >> absolutely. you are an absolute legend. i apologize. we're out of time. you are fantastic. thank you so much. i appreciate you being here tonight. thank you. the the aamazing rachel maddow will be here.
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ways. before there was a domd trump attacking the norms of democracy. this was him. >> the narrow and distorted picture of america often emerges from the televised news. >> if you want to discover the source of the division in our country, look no further than the fake news and the crooked media. >> liberalism translates into a on the critical issue of law and order. >> the words law and order. words that democrats don't like to use. >> conduct of high end individuals and the department of justice is unprofessional, and malicious and outrageous. >> our justice department and our fbi have to start doing their job and doing it right. and doing it now. what's happening is a disgrace. >> in her new book bag man. the wild crimes.
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cover up and downfall of a brazen crook in the white house. which details the over looked story of the bribery scheme then vice president ran from inside the white house. rachel maddow writes the play book he wrote to try to save himself as left its own long legacy. for the elected official who prides himself on busting through political norms. it's a straightforward set of plays. saving yourself means under mining the institution of democracy. fire up the backhoe. i'm joined now by the host of the rachel maddow show. author of the new book. and nominated pod cast. rachel, thank you for being here. i have to start be asking how is susan? >> thank you. first of all. thank you thank you for all of that. i have never seen the jux to position in tape. of him and trump.
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i have done it in trump. it's fantastic. their delivery is such echo. susan is much better. she's dealing with the long tail of the symptoms. which a lot of people deal with. that sucks. we're not scared in the way we were and we're out of the woods. and boy, it took a full week to eat through the gift package you sent. we buckled down and did it. thank you. >> one thing i can be counted on for food and drink. this is the thing i do. that is wonderful to hear. that is the first and most important. i have to give it up to rachel who is also named rachel who produced this segment. producers are everything. she found the video. so the thing that is amazing about these two, you write in
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the book and say history is here to help. and freak us outme. i'm reading this book it's freaky. he's a more articulate version of trump. attacking media, racism, antisemitism. everybody loved me until i'm in the white house now everybody hates me. the attacks are symmetrical. >> you hear smart people talk about what trump is trying to do to under mine democracy and the way he plays very fast and loose with the authoritarian trend lines and all the stuff he pushes. a lot of smart people say, yeah, this is baa foonish and going to fail and easily to laugh. but what about when the slicker version of trump comes around. the articulate version and less ham fisted version. and tries to do these things. history is here to remind us that happened. he was pushing all the same
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levers that trump is pushing. he did it in a way that was -- erect and correct. and articulate. and he still was seen as a crook and forced from office because of it. it it is comforting to me. there isn't anything new under the sun. but the lesson of how to deal be guys is not that they go away on their own. or a sort of i don't know neutralized by the passage of tile. he was as malignant. good people in office put country above party and duty above partisan ship and fixed it. >> that is the story. you write in the book it is the story of the guys who stayed straight ahead and did their jobs. that wind up fixing this. we have to count on there being enough of these. let's talk about the scandal
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itself. it's a wild story. this is like a netflix series. the fact that you have this crook operating a bribery scheme that dated back to when he's governor of maryland. people don't realize how corrupt it was. it's a bribery scandal. talk about the fact you have this happening simultaneous with water gate. but not connected. >> exactly. this is part of what is forgotten in the history. people if they remember him at all, they think it must have been a water gate thing. there's a will the of people who went to jail or got charged. it was mnixon with the cover up and attorney general went to jail. you assume it was that way for him. nope, totally separate original scandal. taking bags of cash as kick
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backs for government contracts. he started doing it as baltimore county executive. and as maryland governor. and he kept taking the bribes. stuffed full of cash in the white house. that is what confronts richardson. the hero of the story. nixon attorney general. who didn't go to prison. and nixon fired him for not doing his bidding. he's like all right, i'm getting crazy phone calls every day from nixon. he's in the hospital with pneumonia. the water gate stuff is gearing up and he's going nuts. he's clear that like he is holding on by a thread. what happens if he goes. ago new goes into the oval office. and he knows he's taking cash bribes. he's a different felon. this is a national security
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imperative. the idea that the country might collapse if a president is forced out for being a crook. immediately elevating the vice president who is then has to be forced out for being a crook. what happens? it really happens? so, it really put the fire, i think, under richardson, in terms of how to deal with it. that's one of the things there isn't a parallel with trump because there is no way to force him out of office. but that's where they landed with agnew. >> this country confronted, previously, this question about whether or not you can indict a president. but there is also, that sort of olc memo issue, about whether or not you can indict a vice president. and you have agnew and nixon, both, asserting that you cannot, right? that they are protected, absolutely, by the office from indictment. talk about how that connects us to where we are now because there has been a lot of this talk about whether donald trump, who is also seen by a lot of
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people as corrupt. maybe, criminally corrupt. could be indicted. particularly, on, let's say, something like obstruction, where he seems to have been dead to rights named on the mueller report. talk about how the agnew scandal relates to that. >> you could also call him individual one, right? he is already named by prosecutors in the case for which michael cohen went to prison, he is named by prosecutors having been the person who directed the commission of those felonies. so, it's a live issue with trump. but i think this is some of the stuff that made me want to write the book, in addition to doing the podcast because mike and i advanced reporting on this even after the podcast. and came to what i think is sort of an unsettling revelation about that. presidents, including donald trump, do have a get-out-of-jail-free card because there is where that comes from is the agnew scandal
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and specifically, where it comes from is nixon is agnew hating each other. at one point, agnew goes to the democratic speaker of the house and says, basically, i'd like you to impeach me. and the speaker of the house is like, no, i don't want to do that. but he thought if he got impeached, that would keep him from getting indicted. his lawyers are arguing, no, no, he can't be indicted. he can only be impeached. they go to the justice department and say settle this once and for all. and the office of legal counsel, they check with nixon, the way nixon wants it to come out, right? and what they come up with is the vice president can be indicted and the president cannot. if agnew was going to get indicted, he didn't want to get indicted, himself. that was nixon just trying to save himself. it wasn't like some founding fathers on a tablet given to moses sort of thing.
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the get-out-of-jail-free card that is keeping trump being indicted revives from this ridiculous, craven fight between these two felons. >> it is amazing. this era has been so toxic. but like, the '60s and '70s keep coming like, hold my beer. you think it's crazy now? we're going to show it to you. this is the point at which the interview between me and rachel maddow turns into a hostage situation because we're not going to let her go. she's sticking around because when we come back from the break, rachel maddow is going to tell you and me who won the week and that is next. stay with us. is next stay with us ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln
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okay. we have made it to friday. and you know what that has traditionally meant on this show. so, it is time to bring back, who won the week? and who better to ask than the one and only, my friend, rachel maddow? rachel, question of the hour, if not of the year, who won the week? >> i think i am going to surprise you with my answer. i believe that the entity that won the week is the centers for disease control. i think the cdc won the week, and here's why. number one, they're getting a new director who is the real deal. an infectious disease expert and a public-health expert, and knows what she is talking about. the public-health community, absolutely, ecstatic with her
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choice as a director. number two, they are now starting to tell tales at the cdc about how bad things have been under donald trump. we now have james clyburn and his committee talking to senior-cdc officials, who were like, oh, yeah, they told me to delete skeevy e-mails. you should know about that because what they told me to do, that's illegal. you have also got cdc scientists showing up again. instead of being muzzled, they are turning up, talking to reporters, talking to advisory committees. and all of a sudden, their guidance is suddenly getting less stupid and more clear. finally, cdc is like, yeah, when you're not in your house, wear a mask. they wouldn't let us say that before, but trump's on his way out. we're just saying it. you can see the cdc becoming the gold-standard public-health agency it's supposed to be, once again. and it's all happened, over the course of this week. >> it's revenge of the nerds, right? like, all of the science-related agencies are back, baby. and they're like, we're going to
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fight this virus. he is on the way out. evict him, already. and let's get this going. i think that's a great answer. unfortunately, on this show, i get to always win this game. so i am going to overrule one of the best answers to who won the week that ever happened and i am going to say that who won the week this week are our friends, tiffany cross and jonathan capehart. their shows debut, this weekend. tiffany cross is the cross connection. jonathan capehart the sunday show. saturday at 10:00 a.m., sunday at 10:00 a.m., eastern. everyone should be watching. i will be in my slippers, possibly with a cocktail, in bed with both of these shows. they won the week but, rachel, you always win, every night. so thank you for being here tonight. really appreciate you. >> i am going to be on with jonathan capehart on his first show on sunday. so, i will see him then and i will convey, to him, your
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winning wishes. >> please, convey my winning wishes and he also wins because he booked an incredible guest, rachel maddow. i love it. you're great, rachel. what an incredible book. congratulations on "bag man." it is awesome. no one can borrow my copy because i destroyed it but still read it. have a great show tonight. bye. thank you. tune in tonight. thank you so much, rachel. tune in tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern for "the rachel maddow show." "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> no, it means you have to turn over the election. the supreme court of the united states will see it and, respectfully, hopefully, they will do what's right for our country. the supreme court did what was right for the country. donald trump's latest effort in his assault on democracy has been defeated. but, what about all those republicans who got

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